In 2005, McCain Said Even The ‘Scum Of Humanity’ Deserve To Have ‘Some Adjudication Of Their Cases’
In 2005, McCain Said Even The ‘Scum Of Humanity’ Deserve To Have ‘Some Adjudication Of Their Cases’
After last week’s Supreme Court decision granting terror detainees the right of habeas corpus, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) blasted the decision as one of the worst ever. Raising the specter of Osama bin Laden being tried in civil court, McCain invoked the Nazi war crimes trials to declare that bin Laden should be denied habeas rights at all costs, Supreme Court be damned:
There was no habeas at Nuremburg and there should be no habeas for Osama bin Laden. … Let me be clear, under my administration Osama bin Laden will either be killed on the battlefield or executed.
McCain has invoked the Nazi trials at Nuremberg before to uphold his position on habeas. Unfortunately for McCain, in that instance it was to push for granting those rights to terror detainees, as he explained to Tim Russert in 2005:
Now, I know that some of these guys are terrible, terrible killers and the worst kind of scum of humanity. But, one, they deserve to have some adjudication of their cases. And there’s a fear that if you release them that they’ll go back and fight again against us. … [I]f it means releasing some of them, you’ll have to release them. Look, even Adolf Eichmann got a trial.
Those accused of Nazi crimes at Nuremberg were not tried under U.S. law, and thus did not have explicit habeas rights. But Nazis unquestionably received fairer trials than terrorist detainees today. The fact that some accused and tried at Nuremberg were found innocent and released shows that Nuremberg offered a practical habeas right. By contrast, the Pentagon has indicated it could continue to imprison a Guantanamo detainee indefinitely, even if he were found innocent by a military tribunal.
What, exactly, does McCain find so frightening about bringing Osama bin Laden to court? He is unquestionably guilty and will be found guilty. A fair trial would only add moral authority to his conviction. Or is moral weight another aspect of the war on terror that McCain doesn’t care about?
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The scum of humanity? That would the traitors currently holed up in the White House (with apologies to lower plant life forms on ponds everywhere).
June 25th, 2008 at 3:12 pmLet me be clear, under my administration Osama bin Laden will either be killed on the battlefield or executed.
Will Chimpy be "point man" during that time , McDipshit ?
June 25th, 2008 at 3:12 pmYes, McIIIrd, you're trollopyc*ntstepfordwife's drug violations should have been adjudicated.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:14 pmAs Hunter S. Thompson's attorney said in Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas, "Even a goddamn werewolf is entitled to legal counsel."
June 25th, 2008 at 3:18 pmYes, McSame, even the "scum of humanity" deserve a trial -- time to send Bush and Cheney to the Hague since no one in our own government is up to the task.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:18 pmterrible terrible killers and the scum of humanity, Was he talking about bush/chenny or just the republican party?
June 25th, 2008 at 3:24 pmWow! rog almost got one right. Their is a difference.
The difference between trying people for war crimes and holding "enemy combatants" without charge or trial is?
One is in accord with International Law and one is not. Your exercise for today is to figure out which is which.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:28 pmrogerse Says:
There’s a difference between trying a group of people for war crimes after hostilities, and holding another indefinitely during hostilities as “enemy combatants”.
And that difference is . . .
June 25th, 2008 at 3:29 pmpete,
How much do you want to bet he gets it wrong?
June 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pmThe GOP's message to America is, "A Police State, If You Can Keep It"
Must See:
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June 25th, 2008 at 3:31 pmThe GOP’s message to America is, “A Police State, If You Can Keep It”
Must See:
http://www.democraticwarrior.com/forum/showthread.php?t=67708
June 25th, 2008 at 3:32 pmMaybe the old piece o' shiit isn't the flip-flopper he appears, but rather has alzheimer's?
June 25th, 2008 at 3:33 pmI got ten bucks on "WRONG".
June 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pmSo we can expect the mainstream media to be all over this hypocrisy, right? Not.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:34 pmThe interesting thing is, rather than pandering to polls, Grampy keeps flipflopping, but ends up on the wrong side of every issue, which are highly unpopular! A strange strategy. If boosh and his policies were not so widely loathed, this might be the smart thing to do, but obviously that is not the case. What the hell is happening?
June 25th, 2008 at 3:38 pmFrom the link rog helpfully provided us:
As of October 30th, 2007, fourteen CSRT transcripts are available on the DoD website.
Fourteen.
Here's some fun stuff from teh same link:
Murat Kurnaz was a young Turk who was born in, and had grown up, in Germany. When captured he was close to being granted German citizenship. He was taken off a tourist bus and detained while on a trip to Pakistan. The tribunal's determination was that there was enough evidence of Kurnaz had ties to terrorism that he should be held as an enemy combatant.
Through a bureaucratic slip-up Kurnaz's file was declassifed. During the brief window when it was declassified the Washington Post was able to review all the evidence against him and publish a summary.[13] Joyce Hens Green, a Washington jurist, had been able to review both the classified and unclassified evidence. Green found that Kurnaz's file contained something like 100 pages of documents and reports explaining that German and American investigators could find no evidence whatsoever that Kurnaz had any ties to terrorism. Shortly before his tribunal an unsigned memo had been added to his file concluded he was an al Qaeda member.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:40 pmMy Friends,
June 25th, 2008 at 3:44 pmYesterday, I may have said something that wouldn't sound good for my campaign tomorrow, so today I'm renouncing what I can't say tomorrow, just in case I need to say that later today.
Grampy McSame says - My friends back in the day I would hold any kids I found on my lawn in my secret basement jail, they would cry about not being fair, ha, what do they know of fair, they weren't locked up like I was, no sir, I'll show these kids who's the boss, they will do what I say, when I lower the basket to them, they will rub the lotion on, one rubs the lotion, if they don't I get very mad and will yell at them to rub the lotion on, when they say they didn't do anything wrong, I tell them that I know what they did this summer, and they will be punished for it, Cindy like the crying ones the best, they make her smile, that trollupc**t, always makes her smile...I think I sat in some warm jello.
And people think you can be president? What the fcuk is wrong with people.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:45 pmI'm beginning to think that rogerse is actually one of McCain's policy advisers.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:48 pmrogerse Says:
pete Says:
they already had trials for determination of enemy combatant status…
A TRIAL requires that those who are accused of the crimes (and their attorneys) know what they're accused of and have an opportunity to defend themselves. Otherwise it isn't a TRIAL it's a FARCE - much like YOUR FALSE CLAIMS to BE AN AMERICAN or have AMERICAN VALUES!
June 25th, 2008 at 3:49 pmMcFlip? Meet McFlop.
Yikes. That old man is batshit crazy.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:56 pmWatching Feinstein become a shill for telecoms today make me wonder if there is an America left.
June 25th, 2008 at 3:58 pmThis senate FISA VOTE requires all of us to call their senator NOW!
June 25th, 2008 at 4:01 pmOne thing you can say about McCain; if anything, he's inconsistent!
June 25th, 2008 at 4:05 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
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shoeless Says:
pete,
How much do you want to bet he gets it wrong?
I got ten bucks on “WRONG”.
No bet. As you can see from #16, and as you noted in #22, pete's whole premise was wrong in that he thought dumbass roger understood the question.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:10 pmWould someone get McIIIrd a gaff. No, not a gaffe, he already has plenty of those. No. A gaff. a big ass hook, with a very sharp point and a wooden handle.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:13 pmUsed to GET FISH ON DECK!
5th estate:
With the completely shitty advice McIIIrd's been getting lately, it seems like a slam dunk that rawjerzee is one of his advizers.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:14 pmleftcoast Says: This senate FISA VOTE requires all of us to call their senator NOW!
Done.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:14 pmWatching the Senate now, Orin Hatch was sickening talking about how good a man George Bush is... sickening I tell you. sickening!!
I apologize for being unclear. I'm well aware that assigning exercises to rog is futile. I offered that up for people with all their faculties.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:16 pmI don't understand the poke-a-troll idea. That dipshit has NEVER offered one thought worth addressing, and yet it gets plenty of attention. Unlike Daryll, who, as frigging stupid as he is, at least will make a stand for Jebus, the currrent POS nevers offers, just stirs shit.
I see some of my favorite poster's poking the puke so it must be fun, but I don't get it.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:18 pmnanlichi Says:
I see some of my favorite poster’s poking the puke so it must be fun, but I don’t get it.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:18 pm
Speaking only for myself, it's an homage to Rummy.
"You poke the trolls you have, not the ones you would like to have".
June 25th, 2008 at 4:24 pmPlus it's fun to see what rog will link, or cut-n-paste. About 75% of the time he provides something which contradicts his, poorly stated, position. He's a treasure trove of anti-neocn material and doesn't even know it!
Now that's good humor.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:27 pmYou go with the hopes you have, not the hopes someone else gives you.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:28 pmIf anyone assures their hopes are yours , then be assured your hopes are not theirs.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:32 pmThe bush/chenny cabal deserve a fair trial followed by a first class hanging!
June 25th, 2008 at 4:33 pmpete, I understand that, everyone needs some humor in the day. I must admit I have been splattered with troll blood on occasion myself. Bastards are so hard to field dress though, it's better to let them run off.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:41 pmA bit OT, but it may explain some things...
From JohnMcCain.com:
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I guess if you get enough points, you get a FABULOUS prize!!!
Woot.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:42 pmhehehe lolol
Grampy McSame -- thanks for today's narrative.
June 25th, 2008 at 4:51 pmMcCain is consistently inconsistent.
June 25th, 2008 at 5:37 pmMy senile-demented f-in-law suffers from that too.
Depending on what fleeting thought is in his mind at the time determines hs response to the same question.
shoeless Says:
How much do you want to bet he gets it wrong?
Not if you give roger1 AND roger2 both a chance at it. rogerX2 is a lot like McCain, between the flip and the flop they get it right - eventually.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:09 pmI think the easier thing at this stage would be to chronicle the things that McDepends HASN'T flip flopped on like a 100 pound shit pancake!
Could print it on a cocktail napkin, with room left over for the water stain.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:47 pmrogerse Says:
There’s a difference between trying a group of people for war crimes after hostilities, and holding another indefinitely during hostilities as “enemy combatants”.
The difference is one has truth in history and the other is merely a fictitious designation determined by an outlaw administration.
I have a question for you idiot troll. Say you were standing in a market place in Iraq, you were visiting relatives, and our government grabbed you. Do you think that you should be put in Gitmo to rot without any rights until our government says you have rights? Or, let's go one step further. Say the person who was snatched off the streets was a loved one. Do you think our government should have the right to hold your loved one indefinitely without even telling them what they supposedly did wrong?
I'm betting the idiot troll doesn't answer this question.
June 25th, 2008 at 6:51 pmANOTHER flip-flop. The man is a shadow of his former self.
June 25th, 2008 at 7:03 pmNot all of the "scum of humanity" are living at gitmo. At least one among their number earned himself the badge of bravery bombing civilians in a wretched little third-world country, married himself to an empty-headed beer heiress, and plots the best way to plunge the world into total war.
June 25th, 2008 at 9:11 pmI don't get it. I would have thought that McCain had at least a 5th grade civics class understanding of the law.
All Habeus does is say that you can petition the court. The court then decides if there is enough evidence.
If now, after 7 years, there isn't enough evidence to hold OBL, then our intelligence community is seriously in question.
June 25th, 2008 at 10:46 pm.
Dear McC*nt,
How do you hunt a dead man and shoot him on the battlefield?
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June 26th, 2008 at 2:23 amLOL...
Johnny McHunter... er... Senator McHunt!
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June 26th, 2008 at 2:25 am