First, that is saying 90% didn’t. So to stop one speeder I can ticket 9 people traveling below the speed limit ? To do so is to destroy any illusion of justice or moral character on the part of our country.

Second, the 10% figure doesn’t say at what level they were involved or re-involved. Were they star athletes or were they the towel boy ?

Third, what they did later doesn’t say they were previously involved. In fact, there is growing evidence that those who have been “entertained” by our methods are actually targeted by the militants as being fertile ground for indoctrination and recruitment. Just thinking about it logically, even someone who supported our country (not to mention someone ambivalent or even negative), arrested illegally, held incommunicado, subjected to torture, etc. is very likely not going to be thinking rosy thoughts about us after that. (Not to mention what the people in their family develop feelings of).

I didn’t know that “quashing” a legal review of a illegal policy was a good thing. It makes everyone involved seem so, so… guilty!

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Shorter version – The entire Bush Administration are War Criminals.

That’s what I was trying to say, but I took 72 words to say it. Your way is better.

It is false and a lie that I ‘protect’ criminals – hell, I want Bush impeached – just like the rest of the planet.

Seriously though, It is wrong to say that I want to protect criminals. I live in this country, and I have many, many cool things to live for (money, family, music, pot, etc…).

If you want to snark a little about this topic, I don’t mind; I certainly throw out some dumb words from time to time. but I want to make sure you have my gameplan. When the suspects get their turn before a judge, and they have a reasonable amount of due process, then lets go to court. If our evidence is solid, whats the problem? If the truth is there, whats the problem? If we can’t convince an impartial judge that we have the right guy, whats the problem? What’s the problem?

But you know what the problem is don’t you? We have NO EVIDENCE, NO WITNESSES, NO TRUTH, NO PLAN, NO HONOR. That is the problem. The guy who lied us into war wants to be the dealer in a card game. Lets err on the side of righteousness and honor; or are you frightened of that too?

I am not scared of terrorists – you seem to be wetting yourself because of them. That makes me brave and you not so much. I have no problem with that explanation, do you?

http://law.shu.edu/news/guantanamo_report_final_2_08_06.pdf

So brilliant troll. If half the people at Gitmo are guilty, then why have none of them been tried for their crimes? It’s been 5 years. One would think that in 5 years the military could come up with a cogent case against at least one of the people they have detained.

Who is the enemy in Iraq? How do you tell?

No, you are just another right wing troll here to throw crap at the wall to see if it sticks. The people who are at Gitmo were not dangerous when they went there. Our own government estimates that over 50% of them are not guilty of any crime other than being at the wrong place at the wrong time or for being sold to our government by a neighbor who needed money. These people who were not dangerous when they went to Gitmo are most certainly dangerous right now because they hate our guts, justifiably so. And not only do they hate us, their friends and families hate us too. The Bush Crime Family has created more terrorists in the last 7 years than there were in their entirety before he started. He HAS NOT made the world a safer place to be, he has made it a less safe place to be and the rest of the world knows that. This is one of the reasons why we no longer have the respect of the rest of the world. We have become the enemy.

TrippleKick Says:

Badger
Something like seven people were convicted in the abu ghraib situation.
Listen, we always have had, and will always continue to have the moral high ground while fighting cowardly islamo terrorists. Why can’t you understand that?

Then he says this:

These are murderous religious fanatics who joined with other murderous religious fanatics with the express purpose to go kill Americans.

Frankly, sir, it sounds like YOU are the one who is the coward. Why are you so frightened – besides being told to be frightened? Can’t you think a little for yourself and wonder if you have been given the most accurate data? Bush has lied about most everything and if you don’t acknowledege that, there maybe no hope to make you well again.

Please stop spreading lies and bad rumors around – thats what Fox News is for.

we always have had, and will always continue to have the moral high ground while fighting cowardly islamo terrorists.

I truly wish you were correct, but sadly, I don’t think the World agrees.

We invaded Iraq, a Muslim country, that DID NOT attack us…and was a secular force AGAINST islamo terrorists.

The fact that we are having any trouble AT ALL winning the “Battle of Ideas” with those that blow up their own people in Markets should tell you something. It took over 4 years for the Iraqi people to fear AlQaeda more than they feared American troops.

Fighting Islamo Terrorists is serious business…and Bush, Cheney, And Rumsfeld have made a real mess of it.

And all seven were grunts. The people who authorized the torture were never charged and some of them were even promoted.

We have lost the moral high ground fighting anyone in this world. No matter where we are, if our soldiers are captured, the country that has captured them can justifiably (by our definitions) torture our soldier and there won’t be a damn thing we can say about it. If I was the parent of someone in the military today, I would be storming the gates of the Whitehouse to beat the holey shit out of the coward who has put our brave soldiers in this position.

The troll’s link says that 20 released prisoners have been killed or captured in fighting again. That is not 10%, that is 5%. But, I agree with shoeless. It’s amazing that the number is so small. I can’t imagine what I would do if I was held by a foreign government for years and years with no charges against me, all the while being tortured, only to be finally released. I can tell you one thing I know for sure, I certainly would not feel kindly towards my captors.

TrippleKick supports the criminal administration even when the facts offer him reason to doubt. Too much investment in the neocon dream, I guess. Maybe it made TrippleKick seem important for a little while. Maybe he was telling all the catalog women (asian rose, anyone?) that he was a firefighter or maybe a special forces guy. Heck, he probably got a couple of social diseases out of it too. Made him appear to be a real, brave American for a second. Actually, I feel sorry for him. But he had it coming.

Were you pro-torture before 9/11, or was it that event which turned you against civilized mores?