Comments on: Iraq contractor reports consistent level of violence despite troop surge. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 00:42:08 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: judyinnm http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5060608 judyinnm Mon, 30 Jun 2008 20:19:07 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5060608 The only way we'll know that Iraq is ready to govern & protect itself is when they come together long enough to kick U.S out of their country. The only way we’ll know that Iraq is ready to govern & protect itself is when they come together long enough to kick U.S out of their country.

]]> By: IgnoranceIsNotBliss http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5060100 IgnoranceIsNotBliss Mon, 30 Jun 2008 18:17:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5060100 If I've said it once, I've said it a hundred times: I do not believe a word that comes out of this administrations mouth about anything. If I’ve said it once, I’ve said it a hundred times: I do not believe a word that comes out of this administrations mouth about anything.

]]> By: Gregor Samsa http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5060018 Gregor Samsa Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:44:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5060018 <i>[...]provide us with the link. Just dismissing a contractor as “unreliable” cuts no ice.</i> ~misshusseinmolly This braindead troll, provide a link? You mean as in, having to work & research as opposed to just typing random babble? Surely you jest... [...]provide us with the link. Just dismissing a contractor as “unreliable” cuts no ice.
~misshusseinmolly

This braindead troll, provide a link? You mean as in, having to work & research as opposed to just typing random babble?

Surely you jest…

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5060006 misshusseinmolly Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:42:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5060006 rozerze Says June 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm The contractors firm is hardly strong, or reliable enough to contradict the pentagon, sorry. ________________________________________________________ Are you suggesting these numbers are not reliable? Are you suggesting that GardaWorld just made them up? Looking at the latest report from the Pentagon, I see no contradiction between the Pentagon and GardaWorld when it comes to the numbers themselves -- just the way the numbers are packaged. http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/Master_16_June_08_%20FINAL_SIGNED%20.pdf The Pentagon's charts show a buildup of violence until the surge, and then violence levels off to about what it was in 2005, with no further significant drops. The text of the Pentagon report still touts "The security environment in Iraq continues to improve, with all major violence indicators reduced between 40 to 80% from pre-surge levels." GardaWorld's point is that since that post-surge drop in violence, there has been no significant improvement in the past nine months. Same data -- different packaging. Now, if you have evidence that the GardaWorld numbers are incorrect, or that the Pentagon has numbers showing significant drop in the violence over the last nine months, by all means, provide us with the link. Just dismissing a contractor as "unreliable" cuts no ice. rozerze Says
June 30th, 2008 at 1:14 pm
The contractors firm is hardly strong, or reliable enough to contradict the pentagon, sorry.
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Are you suggesting these numbers are not reliable? Are you suggesting that GardaWorld just made them up?

Looking at the latest report from the Pentagon, I see no contradiction between the Pentagon and GardaWorld when it comes to the numbers themselves — just the way the numbers are packaged.

http://www.defenselink.mil/pubs/pdfs/Master_16_June_08_%20FINAL_SIGNED%20.pdf

The Pentagon’s charts show a buildup of violence until the surge, and then violence levels off to about what it was in 2005, with no further significant drops. The text of the Pentagon report still touts “The security environment in Iraq continues to improve, with all major violence indicators
reduced between 40 to 80% from pre-surge levels.”

GardaWorld’s point is that since that post-surge drop in violence, there has been no significant improvement in the past nine months.

Same data — different packaging.

Now, if you have evidence that the GardaWorld numbers are incorrect, or that the Pentagon has numbers showing significant drop in the violence over the last nine months, by all means, provide us with the link. Just dismissing a contractor as “unreliable” cuts no ice.

]]> By: raynman http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5060002 raynman Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:41:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5060002 Contractors are responsible to the people holding their contracts. The current regime is responsible to no one. Who would <strong>you </strong>believe? Contractors are responsible to the people holding their contracts.

The current regime is responsible to no one.

Who would you believe?

]]> By: Abu Ben Hussein Leporello http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059962 Abu Ben Hussein Leporello Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:31:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059962 Gosh, people seem to think that (Gasp!) the Administration might just be less than honest with the American people, their ultimate bosses. Lets think about that for a minute. The Administration might be less than truthful with the world, and an unknown contractor might just give the world the facts. Well, that's it for me, contractor's following that quaint old American tradition of Being Honest When It Counts! If Perino or Any Administration official told me I was on Fire I'd find a mirror and look to be sure. Then I'd tear up the bill they sent me for their lying! Impeach Perino, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution! Gosh, people seem to think that (Gasp!) the Administration might just be less than honest with the American people, their ultimate bosses. Lets think about that for a minute. The Administration might be less than truthful with the world, and an unknown contractor might just give the world the facts. Well, that’s it for me, contractor’s following that quaint old American tradition of Being Honest When It Counts! If Perino or Any Administration official told me I was on Fire I’d find a mirror and look to be sure. Then I’d tear up the bill they sent me for their lying!
Impeach Perino, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!

]]> By: jonny http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059954 jonny Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:27:37 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059954 Oh, crap. And here I was, all set to believe the corporate media again. This Eye-rack bidness is sure confoozin'. Oh, crap. And here I was, all set to believe the corporate media again.

This Eye-rack bidness is sure confoozin’.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059938 texaslady Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:23:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059938 A contractor firm has nothing to gain telling what they witness, this administration as well as faux liars on the other hand. A contractor firm has nothing to gain telling what they witness, this administration as well as faux liars on the other hand.

]]> By: RantingTommy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059934 RantingTommy Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:22:53 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059934 Republicans and their fear tactics. Good thing it only works on cowards. Terrorism only works on the terrified. Republicans and their fear tactics.

Good thing it only works on cowards.

Terrorism only works on the terrified.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059932 texaslady Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:22:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059932 Why is it, bushie supporters will try to descredit anyone that actually tells it like it is in Iraq ? If even one soldier dies in Iraq we are not making progress. Progress is when ALL AMERICAN SOLDIERS are home. Why is it, bushie supporters will try to descredit anyone that actually tells it like it is in Iraq ? If even one soldier dies in Iraq we are not making progress. Progress is when ALL AMERICAN SOLDIERS are home.

]]> By: gummitch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059926 gummitch Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:21:08 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059926 <em>rozerze Says: The contractors firm is hardly strong, or reliable enough to contradict the pentagon, sorry.</em> You know a lot about the company? Maybe you'd care to substantiate your claim. A security firm representing private companies in Iraq is far more objective in reporting than the US Government, which has a vested interest in convincing the public that security has improved on its watch. rozerze Says:

The contractors firm is hardly strong, or reliable enough to contradict the pentagon, sorry.

You know a lot about the company? Maybe you’d care to substantiate your claim.

A security firm representing private companies in Iraq is far more objective in reporting than the US Government, which has a vested interest in convincing the public that security has improved on its watch.

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059924 Zimzone Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:20:58 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059924 At this point in time, Neocons & profit driven corporations are the World's biggest terrorists. Hell, even our own government has been lying to us daily to protect these terrorists. <em>Look up terrorists under 'NeoCons'...</em> At this point in time, Neocons & profit driven corporations are the World’s biggest terrorists.

Hell, even our own government has been lying to us daily to protect these terrorists.

Look up terrorists under ‘NeoCons’…

]]> By: RantingTommy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059910 RantingTommy Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:16:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059910 The goal is not to win. The goal is to continue the fight. Perpetual "war" = perpetual profit. They can scare enough cowards like rogers and lockbox and s_mart (worse than k_mart?) easily enough and get them to believe America is too weak to defeat terrorists without BECOMING terrorists to keep support for their money-train. REAL Americans, however, are catching on to the BS and their support is dwindling, as the cowards are publicly ridiculed and ostracized for being such pansies (like we do here everyday). Keep on pointing out their cowardice and ignorance-based fear. Make sure that people know that the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave consists of much more than a bunch of gullible, frightened little sheep. I WILL NOT BE COWED INTO SUPPORTING TYRANNY! Will you? The goal is not to win.

The goal is to continue the fight.

Perpetual “war” = perpetual profit.

They can scare enough cowards like rogers and lockbox and s_mart (worse than k_mart?) easily enough and get them to believe America is too weak to defeat terrorists without BECOMING terrorists to keep support for their money-train.

REAL Americans, however, are catching on to the BS and their support is dwindling, as the cowards are publicly ridiculed and ostracized for being such pansies (like we do here everyday).

Keep on pointing out their cowardice and ignorance-based fear. Make sure that people know that the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave consists of much more than a bunch of gullible, frightened little sheep.

I WILL NOT BE COWED INTO SUPPORTING TYRANNY!

Will you?

]]> By: Freedom Rebel http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059908 Freedom Rebel Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:14:33 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059908 You notice that the news came from a contractor and not the MSM Oh what a surprise... Maybe we need to sign them up to get unbiased and accurate information about Iraq since the government is still blocking the unpleasant news coming from there. You notice that the news came from a contractor and not the MSM Oh what a surprise…

Maybe we need to sign them up to get unbiased and accurate information about Iraq since the government is still blocking the unpleasant news coming from there.

]]> By: rozerze http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059906 rozerze Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:14:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059906 The contractors firm is hardly strong, or reliable enough to contradict the pentagon, sorry. The contractors firm is hardly strong, or reliable enough to contradict the pentagon, sorry.

]]> By: alphainfinityomega http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059902 alphainfinityomega Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:13:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059902 Yeah, and the Dems. just approved, and Busch just signed, another 162 Billion for this folly. <strong>_AIO_</strong> Yeah, and the Dems. just approved, and Busch just signed, another 162 Billion for this folly.

_AIO_

]]> By: McWars http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/comment-page-1/#comment-5059898 McWars Mon, 30 Jun 2008 17:10:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/06/30/iraq-contractor-reports-consistent-level-of-violence-despite-troop-surge/#comment-5059898 General Betrayus needs to get his facts straight. General Betrayus needs to get his facts straight.

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