Southern Baptist scholar says spousal abuse stems from wife’s refusal to submit to husband.
By on Jun 30th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Southern Baptist scholar says spousal abuse stems from wife’s refusal to submit to husband.
Bruce Ware — a Southern Baptist scholar – argued that one reason that men abuse their wives is because women rebel against their husband’s God-given authority:
“And husbands on their parts, because they’re sinners, now respond to that threat to their authority either by being abusive, which is of course one of the ways men can respond when their authority is challenged - -or, more commonly, to become passive, acquiescent, and simply not asserting the leadership they ought to as men in their homes and in churches,” Ware said from the pulpit of Denton Bible Church in Denton, Texas.
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Wouldn't want to let the bible get in the way of being tough on crime.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:08 amDenton Bible Church
Must be a different Denton than the one Brad and Janet got married in.
"Be Just, and Fear Not"
June 30th, 2008 at 10:08 am;)
Classic! No room for any middle ground.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:09 am"Now look what you made me do!"
It's awfully coincidental that the Southern Baptist Men's Dominion Rulebook sounds an awful lot like every excuse any abusive husband/boyfriend/father has ever made for his own inability to act like a civilized human being.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:11 amI'm waiting to hear Darryl's holy explanation for this one.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am— a Southern Baptist scholar –
the oxymoron of the day
June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 amWhere on Earth was this dug up? Denton Texas...christ, if this is the best TP can come up with I've lost all faith in this sites ability to make significant contributions about cogent topics.
Hey, how about an article about what the mayors cleaning lady said in Bugtussle Alabama, sheeeesh!
June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 am"Southern Baptist scholar." An oxymoron if ever there was one.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:16 amBut, but, but, ‘Republicans are much more open to strong women.’
June 30th, 2008 at 10:17 amlol
these crazies are so full of old meme. for once i want them to come out with something new.
Take a page from the scientology... at least they're creative with their insanity.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:18 amSo now domestic violence is acceptable by the southern baptists. As is torture, war, hatred, bigotry, greed, carnage....
Yeah, I tell ya, Christ would be proud.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:21 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
But, but, but, ‘Republicans are much more open to strong women.’
Bill Kristol meant to say, "Republicans are much stronger than open women."
June 30th, 2008 at 10:23 amcitizen_pain Says:
So now domestic violence is acceptable by the southern baptists.
Actually, I think they invented it.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:25 am"a Southern Baptist scholar"
Good one, this phrase is next to oxymoron in the dictionary.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:27 amI'd really like to hear the full quote on this one - beyond the linked to web page. Is he arguing that because the husbands are sinners that they can't help themselves ? Or is he arguing shared responsibility ?
Is he offering an examination of the situation (that because of sin we have spousal abuse, not to mention a lot of other problems) or is he trying to excuse it ? In the former he's not exactly offering groudbreaking scholarly theology. In the latter he's misusing a wide range of tenets.
Of course when I was in front of the judge in traffic court, I should have argued - Judge, the other driver subverted my authority by switching into my lane without signaling. Because I'm a sinner, it was natural that I pulled out my pistol and blew him away.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:28 amAt least when it listed 'Denton, TX' as the home of this nitwit, it helped explain a lot. Only surprise it wasn't Waco or Crawford.
As they say: "You can always tell a Texas man .... but you can't tell him much">
June 30th, 2008 at 10:28 am".. god given authority..."
You mean the old white guy in the white robe toting the cross?
I guess the male southern baptists have to find another outlet for their anger now that the burning crosses and white robes are frowned upon...
June 30th, 2008 at 10:28 amOops sorry Nevar, I just saw I copied you, sort of. Great minds ...
June 30th, 2008 at 10:28 amSooooo, either way it's the woman's fault her man is beating the shit out of her.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:30 amThese Baptist sound so Mormonish.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:31 amThat makes three of us now, Shayne!
June 30th, 2008 at 10:31 amThis does sound a little dug up,but it did easily roll off his tongue. Is it a typical Southern Baptist say? Possibly.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:31 amNevar Says:
“.. god given authority…”
You mean the old white guy in the white robe toting the cross?
I guess the male southern baptists have to find another outlet for their anger now that the burning crosses and white robes are frowned upon…
Can you imagine the exploding heads in the Southern Baptist churches when our POTUS is a black man named Obama.
At least there won't be a brain drain when it happens, they will just go home and beat their women.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:32 amrogerse Says:
It's true..
June 30th, 2008 at 10:33 am"women rebel against their husband’s God-given authority"
If this phrase is Baptist foreplay they must not be having too many babies.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:34 amSomething tells me these Baptist aren't smiling like Enzyte Bob.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:35 amShayne,
“Women rebel against their husband’s God-given authority” is foreplay for Man on Man night at the Baptist Church. ;)
June 30th, 2008 at 10:36 amI have always thought being a scholar required reading more than just one book...
June 30th, 2008 at 10:37 amOr as Larry Craig said, "I am not gay but my wife rebels against my God-given authrity."
June 30th, 2008 at 10:38 amWhile I totally disagree with this guy's gender theology, he was pointing out that abuse is a sin. If you read the article, he spoke of the horror and ugliness of abuse and oppression.
I have never been fond of ultra conservative religion (actually not fond of plain old conservative religion, either) and I do shudder at extreme beliefs. I agree with others here that the "it's the wife's fault" bit is ridiculous. For one thing it says men are not responsible for their own behavior as if they are less than human.
This quote bothered me more:
"It means that a woman will demonstrate that she is in fact a Christian, that she has submitted to God's ways by affirming and embracing her God-designed identity as--for the most part, generally this is true--as wife and mother, rather than chafing against it, rather than bucking against it, rather than wanting to be a man, wanting to be in a man's position, wanting to teach and exercise authority over men," Ware said. "Rather than wanting that, she accepts and embraces who she is as woman, because she knows God and she knows his ways are right and good, so she is marked as a Christian by her submission to God and in that her acceptance of God's design for her as a woman."
But don't blame the Southern Baptists alone for this thinking. This thinking has been taught by several religions for thousands of years.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:39 amYou know, the more I read stuff coming out of Texas and the mental illogical reports this state fosters has never allowed the people with-in its border, too "grow-up."
June 30th, 2008 at 10:39 am“.. god given authority…”
There is no god! Much less god-given authority!
Using some non-existent white father figure to tolerate the abuse of women is not only despicable, but mentally deranged.
I bet these very same people claim the high road on morality. Disgusting.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:40 amWow - You can be abusive or be a pussy. Nice false choice, "scholar".
June 30th, 2008 at 10:42 amMore utter dumbfu(kery from the evsatanicals.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:47 amAnyone believing in magic men from the sky is crazy, but this random minister isn't to blame for the ideas that come with it.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:48 amIn an abusive relationship. the abuse isn't governed by the actions of the victim. It's purely a function of how the abuser feels. That's because it's, at the core, an expression of power.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:49 amAn abuser abuses no matter how the abused behaves--and that's the point.
If you are abusive, you ARE a pussy. That's how I feel about it.
Of course, if you are so intellectually weak that you buy into ancient fairy tales out of fear, then you are still a pussy.
Religion is based on fear, and, by definition, is terrorism.
Threaten me with eternal torture by fire and I'll just laugh at you though, the same way I laugh at people who claim purple dragons fly around and grant wishes (an equally plausible story).
Some of us don't need the threat of eternal violence to convince us to do right by each other, why are Christians so morally weak that they DO need that?
June 30th, 2008 at 10:51 amHeh. The only thing I have to say about this is that if my husband ever raised his hand to strike me, it'd be the last time he raised his hand to do anything ever again.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:52 amI wonder how long it will be before the media try to link Obama to this....
June 30th, 2008 at 10:53 amAlso explains a few things:
Year---State---Population---Forcible rape
2006---Texas---23,507,783---8,372
2006---NewYork---19,306,183---3,169
June 30th, 2008 at 10:54 amMonday morning madness after the sunday communion drunk out...Seem's these relegious nut's are looking for attention any way they can get it, most often using fear....Relegion, big business and tax free....I'm convinced these people are wired wrong....This kind of crap trie's to give a free ride to wife beater's and rapest....Monday's never were any good anyway and neither are the preaching wacko's pramoting dominance of one gender over another....Time to hug some tree's.....Blessings All
June 30th, 2008 at 10:54 amRantingTommy Says: Religion is based on fear, and, by definition, is terrorism.
Excellent post.
We non-religious folks are told that we have to be tolerant of other people's religious views. These kinds of incidents show why being tolerant of intolerance is NOT a liberal or progressive trait.
Being tolerant of abusicve behavior because it's done in teh name of some religion is absurd.
I will not be tolerant of an ideology that espouses the right to beat me (or any other woman) if we do not kowtow to some nonsense inside some out-dated book written by ignorant men with very small winkies (sorry - the anatomically correct word gets caught in the spam filter).
Freedom FROM religion. FROM.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:59 am"southern baptists"? Damn, I don't even need to read any of the above posts to know this will be some crazy shit
June 30th, 2008 at 11:02 amHow little this "scholar" and many other men think of themselves...that they must fall back on "God given authority" to excuse their own fallible selves & actions and inability to be compassionate and caring grown-up humans.
If there were a god who gave men authority over women that would be an unjust or petty god...an oxymoron some might even say. I think what really happened is that men invented a god to bolster their own drive to seek power over others and to justify their brutality. (whether it be from flawed development or an over production of testosterone I couldn't say)
June 30th, 2008 at 11:04 amWitch1 Says: Monday morning madness after the sunday communion drunk out…Seem’s these relegious nut’s are looking for attention any way they can get it, most often using fear….Relegion, big business and tax free….I’m convinced these people are wired wrong….
I've been reading a lot of evolution books in the past year, and one interesting thing I learned about why religion perpetuates itself in our cultures, despite technological advances that should have killed it by now is the fact that children, by nature, believe anything they are told by an adult.
Because they need to quickly learn life saving things that they cannot learn on their rown and survive, they are wired to believe everything they are told.
Despite the fact that my youngest brother is an Atheist, and his ex is not religious, my neice, because her maternal grandmother told her to believe, does. No questions asked. No thinking or evaluating involved.
As long as someone tells children that this crap is true, religion will continue to perpetuate despite all the facts and evidence to the contrary... And, it will most likely be the down fall of man, as the advances in technology are put into the hands of people who think they are divinely inspired...
June 30th, 2008 at 11:06 amRantingTommy Says:
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Some of us don’t need the threat of eternal violence to convince us to do right by each other, why are Christians so morally weak that they DO need that?
June 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am
This is exactly my pointto my sister when she says her children MUST have god in their lives in order to be good and moral people.
She just doesn't get it.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:07 amYo, Bruce - KISS MY FEMINIST ASSSS!!
June 30th, 2008 at 11:09 amI spoke to my Baptist republiscum friend this morning and inquired about what he and his wife had learned at the "special class" they attended at their church Saturday and Sunday nights. He said he had learned about how "most of the wars ever started in the world have been started by Islamic men between the ages of 16 and 25". He added that what he learned reinforced his belief that the US should turn the sands in the middle east into glass.
Ah, so much for love thy neighbor, turn the other cheek and do unto others.
It made me think about how Ray Kroc, the man who bought McDonals from the brothers that started the hamburger chain, used to rent a plane and fly around looking for church steeples, and then endeavored to located his restaurants closeby. His aim was to build in areas where people congregate regularly.
My thought today is that, someday in the future, those same steeples may be used as bombing targets.
Why do Christians hate?
June 30th, 2008 at 11:10 amZooey:
June 30th, 2008 at 11:11 amHave you considered giving her a "dope slap"? Al ot of this man as primitive agressor in need of taming by some weird spirtual cause crap stems from early and often bad science relative to other primates
Ahh, the "sanctity of marriage"...
June 30th, 2008 at 11:13 amSaint Augustine Says: Why do Christians hate?
Ever read the bible(s)?
80% of it is violent.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:13 amWelcome to bizzaro Republican Evangelical world. ANYONE who even thinks of voting repug just isn't a human being. And when it's legal to throw these people in the ocean tied to a cement mixer, please let me know cause I wanna tie the first knot.
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"80% of it is violent."
And those are the good parts. There is some weird sex stuff in that book too!!
June 30th, 2008 at 11:17 amMore crap from the American Taliban movement.
And they think followers of Islam are crazy....they kinda think the same.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:17 amSaint Augustine Says:
He said he had learned about how “most of the wars ever started in the world have been started by Islamic men between the ages of 16 and 25?.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:10 am
Holy flirking schnit! That's...wow...I'm dumfounded...that's just f-d up! Did you ask him how those 16-25-year-old Islamic men managed to start WWII, Vietnam, and Korea?
June 30th, 2008 at 11:18 amOrganized religion is less about morals and God and mostly about man, particularly social competition, control and domination. The more despotic the tendancies, the more often the leadership drops God's name to justify their control-freak behavior.
It is not surprising is it, that this sub-culture gives verbal and physical abuse a place to flourish within church communities and their families. Family values my ass.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:19 amYear's ago I read in some other book's (memory fail's me) that the bible and relegion (christianety) was created by story teller's and a large group of people working to over throw pagan's....All over the old world or dark ages Pagan's owned and worked the land..Most was handed down from mother to daughter and family group's worked the land in harmony..Another fairy tale perhap's...
My fairy tale as I remember claimed there were no war's untill the christian type's wanted all the land...Seem's they recruted the men of the pagan's to become dominate, take over the land, pagan holiday's and ritual's..During that time all herbal healing practice's, owning a cat and numerious ordinary thing's like having a broom caused people to turn in their neighbor or own wife....Long before the actual burning time's relegious group's used what ever method possible to dominate what ever group they wanted to steal from..Hummmm. Fast forward to present time's, same business of fear and take over just diffrent weapon's....The pretend stronger take over the weak untill the weak get pissed off enough to fight back....Larena Bobett come's to mind....Blessings
June 30th, 2008 at 11:19 amShayne Says: These Baptist sound so Mormonish.
No not Mormonish - Islamic Fundamentalist.
But, then I all religious fundamentalists do thin kalike, after all.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:21 am"What do thousands of battered women have in common?
They just wouldn't shut-up!"
- old southern "proverb"
June 30th, 2008 at 11:25 amdaryll - shut your stupid fcuking yap, ya mindless (hence the need for a God) piece of shit...
June 30th, 2008 at 11:26 amDaryll Says:
Jesus said that the man is accountable for his family, not the woman. I do not agree with spousal abuse, but women need to obey their husbands, per biblical standards. Couples need to learn how to negotiate and compromise, but the man makes the last decision.
How 19th Century of you Daryll. I am sure your wife bends to your every whim and never disagrees, huh?
June 30th, 2008 at 11:26 amI guess it's a damned good thing I'm not married to you, Daryll...
I'd have to kill you.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:28 amOf course daryll's "wife" bends to every whim of his - she's merely an inflatable afterall.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:29 amKiss my ass, Daryll.
If there is a god, you will hear those words from Tiffany's lips.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:36 amIf Daryll is so into the literal translation of the Bible like a good Baptist, then why do ya'll drink grape juice instead of wine at mass? Jesus had wine and bread, in remembrance of him, but ya'll chose grape juice?!
God is so pissed.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:36 amdbadass Says: And those are the good parts. There is some weird sex stuff in that book too!!
You couldn't make a literal version of the bible(s) into a movie and get anything but a XXX rating.
Clearly the writers were obsessed with perverted sexual practices.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:37 amGood morning little d....A little late today for you, did the little woman forget to alert you there was a bible fest on TP?.....I must admit you are very funny along with crazy....What chapter was that in your bible about Lott laying with his daughter's to make son's.? I forgot...I've met people like you before and must admit at the very least they were contradictory and fun to watch...You have a great day now and don't forget to chastise the little woman for letting you sleep in and miss oart of the fun...Blessings from the resident witch, to your wife, she really need;s them.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:38 amYou couldn’t make a literal version of the bible(s) into a movie and get anything but a XXX rating.
The Last Temptation of Christ was almost given a soft 'X', otherwise known as NR (not rated).
That movie was awesome.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:39 am62. Daryll Says:
"Jesus said that the man is accountable for his family, not the woman."
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There's a source. An unmarried virgin who spent all his time with 12 guys.
My wife has a cousin like that. We go to him for marital advice all the time. When we can get him to stop playing "Grand Theft Auto," of course.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:39 amShe is so nice, sweet and not aggressive. She’s a true woman.
Just the way God wants em, dumb and doped up, right God-boy?
June 30th, 2008 at 11:39 amDaryll Says: Couples need to learn how to negotiate and compromise, but the man makes the last decision.
What if it's a couple with two men?
June 30th, 2008 at 11:40 amDaryll Says:
"Jesus said that the man is accountable for his family, not the woman. I do not agree with spousal abuse, but women need to obey their husbands, per biblical standards..."
June 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am
Notice that Daryll doesn't say "spousal abuse is inexcusable" or "spousal abuse is despicable", just "I do not agree with spousal abuse, but..." Sounds like any objection that Daryll might have against spousal abuse could go by the wayside when the "man" makes "the last decision" in that household.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:41 amYo D! I was just out getting a bit of take out. I ordered the bitblt but they just gave me the regular one...
June 30th, 2008 at 11:42 am75. DieNowForPeace Says:
"... That movie was awesome."
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Nahh. The best splatter movies are funny. Gibson's splatter flick is about as funny as a Charlton Heston movie.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:42 amDaryll Says: Couples need to learn how to negotiate and compromise, but the man makes the last decision.
Would that be the one where you just give up on figuring out how to please her?
June 30th, 2008 at 11:43 amDieNowForPeace Says: The Last Temptation of Christ was almost given a soft ‘X’, otherwise known as NR (not rated). That movie was awesome.
That's right... No wonder so many preachers like to read their bibles. It's porn! LOL
June 30th, 2008 at 11:44 amThe Last Temptation of Christ is a Scorsese film.
Try the Google...
June 30th, 2008 at 11:44 amDaryll Sez:
"During the White Throne of Judgement, I will be accountable for my family."
Have your plunger ready...
June 30th, 2008 at 11:45 amDaryll Says:
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You and other women should use Laura Bush as an example. She is so nice, sweet and not aggressive. She’s a true woman.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:38 am
You and other men should stop telling women what to do. That would make you a real man.
People call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a prostitute or a doormat.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:47 am~Rebecca West
You sound like a feminist.
That's quite a compliment to most.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:48 am84. DieNowForPeace Says:
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Oh, crap. Got me Jeezis movies mixed up. My bad. Sorry, DNFP.
Although, being a huge Scorsese fan, I DID try to watch that one. Guess Jeezis is just too boring a character for me. I'll take Tarzan. ;)
June 30th, 2008 at 11:49 amDaryll Says:
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You and other women should use Laura Bush as an example. She is so nice, sweet and not aggressive. She’s a true woman.
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:49 amHow many inputs? Sorry ladies I couldn't help myself...
I am a life long Texan. One of my great garandfathers was a captain in Sam Houston's Army of the Republic. I am a life-long Southern Baptist. My granfather was an itenerant evangelist. I belong to the moderate/traditional camp of the SBC.
First, a little about Southern Baptist Theological Seminary. Al Mohler is the President, an extreme neo-calvinist and the doctrinal architect/sergeant-at-arms of the SBC conservative resurgence. He once opined that pre-marital sex, which obviously results in all sorts of societal ills, is the fault of women for putting off marriage to pursue a career. With Ware, the fruit has not fallen far from the tree.
Under Mohler, SBTS has dismissed women professors for being women. Since the adoption of the latest Baptist Faith and Message, the SBC theologic position with respect to women and wives is, at best, suspect. I believe it to be un-Christian.
Second, what I believe is the more traditional (although rarely fully practiced)teaching about the relationship of husbands of wives, found mostly in the 5th chapter of Ephesians. In 5:22, Paul instructs wives to submit or be subject to their husbands. In 5:33 Paul urges wives to respect their husbands. Most conservatives focus on 5:22 and ignore 5:33. In between, Paul instructs husbands to love their wives as Christ loved the church.
Love is no silly, sappy emotion. It is an act of the will to meet another's needs. See ch. 13 of 1 Corinthians for the hallmarks of such sacrificial love. And how did Christ love the church -- he gave his life for her..
What does it mean for a husband to give his life for his wife. It means babysitting on Friday night instead of going out with the boys; it means remodeling the bathroom instead of buying the new bass boat; it means she gets the new car before he gets the new truck; it means he does whatever it takes to provide her the security and opportunities she needs to be all that God desires her to be. He gives himself, every bit -- the same as Jesus gave himself.
And she is to love him, and what does he need from her? Guys are so simple -- all we need is to be appreciated and respected. And what woman would withhold such basic needs for a husband who would move heaven and hell for her?
How many husbands do you really know like this? It ain't easy. It ain't for wussies.
Third, I am not trying to convince anyone of the existence of God or the correct interpretation or application of Biblical teachings and I feel no compulsion to defend myself or this message. I attack no one, just caricatures -- on both sides of this issue.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:49 amDaryll Sez:
“During the White Throne of Judgement, I will be accountable for my family.”
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June 30th, 2008 at 11:51 amWill that include all those half babies you flished while shaking the devil off?. Sorry again ladies...
I just knew Daryll would show up on this thread. If it's about a gay issue or about when is it okay to abuse your wife, cheat on your wife..well that's something Daryll knows a lot about.
Is your wife giving you "more than enough sex" these days Daryll? I sure hope so for her sake! Or else!
June 30th, 2008 at 11:51 amMy guess is that Daryll only talks tough in here, but in reality, anyone who has ever known Southern black women knows that his wife wears the pants in that "family" (and in secret, when she's not at home, Daryll wears dresses).
June 30th, 2008 at 11:52 amSay little d, laura bush killed her boyfriend with her car before she married the crazy and the crazy paid for his girl friend;s abortion year's ago....Not real good example's to submit for our approval, lest I forget the crazy has killed over one million men, women and children in Iraq along with 4,113 of our own....HummmYou relegious folk's just keep changing your bible rule;s by the minute just like the nut bag in the white house...
June 30th, 2008 at 11:52 amThe idea that anyone else will be held up for accounting on my behalf is so absurd! I am responsible for my actions, not my husband.
June 30th, 2008 at 11:53 amThe man makes the last decision, Daryl?
"Sorry, honey. The bible says I win the arguement."
One would think that a strong decisive man wouldn't need biblical reassurance of his authority. But it's not about validating the man's authority as much as it is declaring the woman's subservience.
It's amazing how people can use the bible as a justification to rebel against man's God-given goodness. There is so much in the bible one can draw on to make them a better person. It is disheartening when people use the bible as a validation for their baser instincts.
For example, when you said, "I do not agree with spousal abuse, but women need to obey their husbands, per biblical standards", I found that quite chilling.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:16 pmI get all my Babtist news here:
http://www.landoverbaptist.org/
Always remember: Betty Bowers is a better Christian than you are. Fact.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:19 pmAnd this is different than the Wahhabis because...
June 30th, 2008 at 12:20 pmDaryll Says:
Quite a chip on your shoulder.
Says the CLOSET CASE that HATES WOMEN!! ROTFL!! That's called PROJECTION! Get a SHRINK, cause you're NUTS!
June 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm100. Daryll Says:
"You will find hell quite hot."
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Hotter'n Albuquerque chili?
"I'm Red Hot Henry Brown
June 30th, 2008 at 12:23 pm"I'm the hottest man in town ...."
Daryll Says:
You will find hell quite hot.
Hell was the city dump, where people outside Jerusalem had to go live when they were SHUNNED! You're a MORON that lives in the METAPHORICAL HELL of YOUR OWN MAKING!!! ROTFL, you're DUMB!@
June 30th, 2008 at 12:24 pmThose of us who've lived in Minnesota, Wisconsin, & the Dakotas know hell is gonna be cold. Pack yer thermal undies.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:30 pmThe term Hell derives from the Hebrew gehinom (??????), which was the burning garbage dump near Jerusalem (also known as the Hinom gulch). Since every Jew WENT TO HEAVEN there was no need for any concept of HELL as the Crazy XTians believe. Those traditions come more from Hades and PAGAN beliefs, not Christianity's originis (Judaism)...
June 30th, 2008 at 12:34 pmOh and Darryl, you aren't capable of wiping your own *ss clean, there's NO WAY you're more capable than your wife to lead a household. She can't be NEARLY as Dumb as you are - then again she did marry a closet case!!! Either way, that makes her your EQUAL not your SLAVE you HATEFUL IGNORANT MISOGYNISTIC PR*CK!
June 30th, 2008 at 12:35 pmNow RHF "respects" women?
What a laugh.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:40 pmYou will find hell quite hot.
Looks cool to me.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:42 pmDaryll Says:
We have our good and bad times. My wife and I know how to negotiate, but she understands that sometimes I have to make the decision that she does not like.
How many teeth does she usually have to lose before she "understands"?
June 30th, 2008 at 12:43 pmrepublicans hate facts:
June 30th, 2008 at 12:44 pmDoes this stuff just flow or do you have to think about it?
Oro Lee Says:
June 30th, 2008 at 11:49 am
Sorry Oro Lee, men don't "babysit" their own children. As to the rest of your post, that man doesn't exist.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:45 pmWhere have these hillbilly fools been hiding? Under a patch of cement for the last 100 years?
No wonder we can't make any progress in the south..These fools still believe the earth is flat - the pickup is the only vehicle ever made and dancing causes herpes.... GET A CLUE!
If fiction is the word then it will take a thousand generations to get this stupidity outta here!
June 30th, 2008 at 12:46 pm.
Will Bruce Waresuggest suggest women wear a burka, too? After all ,isn't it because of women that men can't control their urges?
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June 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pmDaryll Says:
You will find hell quite hot.
Speaking of that, isn't your time on Earth just about up for today? Time to run along home now.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:49 pmSome o' these fundamentalists or evangelicals or whatchacallum claim that ya gotta be born again to enter th Kingdom o' Heaven.
I'm just imagining the surprised looks on the faces of all the Lutherans of my youth --
"Howdy, Hjalmar! Welcome to th' LAKE OF FIRE!"
My ol' Ma sez I was big enuff the FIRST time around. She don't need to be pushin' out no 200-lb. infants, especially not at her advanced age.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:51 pmStay in line for RHF, the troll who speaks out of both sides of his mouth and has an illegible posting style.
Do as I say, not as I do, c**t!
June 30th, 2008 at 12:58 pm116. Daryll Says:
"... we persevere to beat up the devil, which I am sure he’s injured from the rebuking and binding of demonic spirits."
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Phoo. He's the most beat-up guy in Western history. Don't try to talk tuff on the Internets Tubes. You and the missus could kick'im in the stones all day long and he still wouldn't notice. He's been kicked in the jewels by experts. Quit braggin'.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:59 pmEver notice how all of the major religions at their fundamental cores require women to submit to men?
It was only a matter of time before Daryll instructed us on the true authoritarian nature of Christofundamentalism. He's been absent in the forums lately. Must be busy dominating his family.
All you outspoken women out there- shut up. If you have an opinion, clear it with your husband first. If he says no, no more discussion. End of story. Over and out. Be like Laura Bush. Her husband is always right about everything.
Papa ist alles.
Submit to your husbands. No matter what idiots they may be, they are the supreme authorities over you. Jesus (or one of his disciples, many years later) sez so. It's right there in that collection of books that gets re-translated every 100 years or so. Maybe Daryll is one of those fundies who say the King James Bible is the only legitimate translation of the original Aramaic, Greek or Latin texts.
If your lord and master of the household tells you not to drive anymore because he wants you to stay put, OBEY him without question. Just like the Saudi women must do. You may not like his decision but he rules you.
If you get raped, it must be something you did to ask for it. Maybe your clothes aren't modest enough. Consider wearing black from head to toe with a little slit to look through.
And what the heck is the White Throne of Judgement? Oh, it's from the weirdest hallucination in the collection - Revelation, the only book that really matters to the End-Timers. Written 90+ years after the birth of Christ with no quotes from him, subject to all sorts of interpretation, almost left out of the collection, and disputed by the founder of Protestantism Martin Luther. And believed verbatim by fundamentalists. Right down to the 7 candlestands.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:04 pmOh, Lord, if you exist beyond the minds of men, please rapture these men NOW.
God, save us from your cheerleaders.
Daryll Sez:
"...we persevere to beat up the devil, which I am sure he’s injured from the rebuking and binding of demonic spirits."
Try using old neckties...
June 30th, 2008 at 1:06 pmAnd here's the deal about the Devil.
Why has he had his berries kicked for millennia?
He tried to cop the boss's job! That's it. He didn't steal, murder, rape, smoke dope or take long lunches. He was just a enterprising capitalist.
Look what that got him.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:08 pmDaryll Says:
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You and other women should use Laura Bush as an example. She is so nice, sweet and not aggressive. She’s a true woman.
So, LittleD, I guess all that partying, smoking and drinking (not to mention killing her ex-boyfriend with a car) Laura Bush did is perfectly OK with Jebus...?
Woohoo!! *What* a woman!
June 30th, 2008 at 1:18 pmGood to see Daryll supporting spousal abuse. This is the guy who shakes the devil off with a 9 inch crucifix inserted as a butt plug.
Careful with that crown of thorns Daryll, you'll tear the lining if you get too deep in your rapturous moment.
ESAD freak.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:23 pmDaryll Says:
You sound like a feminist.
Why, *thank you*, Darryl!
June 30th, 2008 at 1:25 pmLiving proof that conservatives do like strong women.
/sarc off
June 30th, 2008 at 1:32 pmDaryll Says:
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I am the body, she is my heart.
June 30th, 2008 at 12:53 pm
Apparently, poor Tiffany doesn't even measure up as an individual.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:35 pmDaryll Says:
You will find hell quite hot.
TRUE.
TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan is THERE, BURNING FOR ETERNITY!!!
And the MURDEROUS Bush WAR CRIMINALS are NEXT!!!
Along with "daryll"...
June 30th, 2008 at 1:37 pmI'm jealous of you Daryll. You live in a magnificent Daryll-centered world where your every word is backed by God.
All of your domestic disputes are settled before they begin, because the Bible says the husband is always right.
You disagree with me by writing, "You will find hell quite hot."
While I don't take that as a threat. I wonder how you would know that. Did God tell you? Or are you just guessing what He has in store for me? And, if so, what might He think about you misrepresenting Him?
Are you so sure of yourself? Have you braced yourself for what you will do when you find out you are wrong? Of do you not really care about your faith beyond using it to back up your weak arguments?
Stop standing on the Bible to make yourself look taller. That's not what it's for.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:39 pmGive Us This Day Our Daily Drivel
Thank you, daryll
June 30th, 2008 at 1:43 pmDaryll Says:
I don’t physically attack women. Sometimes, I can look at her for a long timespan
Psychological abuse can be just as bad a physical abuse.
June 30th, 2008 at 1:45 pmPete Tagliani Says:
I’m jealous of you Daryll. You live in a magnificent Daryll-centered world where your every word is backed by God.
All of your domestic disputes are settled before they begin, because the Bible says the husband is always right.
You disagree with me by writing, “You will find hell quite hot.”
While I don’t take that as a threat. I wonder how you would know that. Did God tell you? Or are you just guessing what He has in store for me? And, if so, what might He think about you misrepresenting Him?
Are you so sure of yourself? Have you braced yourself for what you will do when you find out you are wrong? Of do you not really care about your faith beyond using it to back up your weak arguments?
Stop standing on the Bible to make yourself look taller. That’s not what it’s for.
"daryl" is a supporter of the TREASONOUS George W. Bush and Dick Cheney, as well as a TREASONOUS DoD psyop.
Since he supports the GENOCIDE of his fellow man, and TREASON against the USA, daryl WILL BURN IN HELL.
Along with the TREASONOUS Bushes and TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING...
Reagan: DUH! Hot, MASTER Satan, so hot!! DUH!
P.S. I voted for YOU, Pete Tagliani. And I GLAD I DID!!
June 30th, 2008 at 1:52 pm"Sorry Oro Lee, men don’t “babysit” their own children. As to the rest of your post, that man doesn’t exist."
I stand corrected, Zooey. Thank you.
Since the ideal husband does not exist, there is always room for improvement. In the meantime, a couple learns to get along together.
For example, my wife makes the small decisons, like where the kids go to school and whether we should buy a new house. I make the major decisions, like whether we should pull out of the U.N or bomb Iran.
There was a bakery at the corner of the block where an elderly couple lived. When the old man visited the store, he brought home cinnamon rolls. The old woman always returned with scones. One morning, their granddaughter visited, having first stopped at the bakery. She placed a cinnamon roll before her grandfather and a scone before her grandmother. The old couple exchanged their pastries.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pmSuperstitious Daryll Says some stupid things...
You and other women should use Laura Bush as an example. She is so nice, sweet and not aggressive. She’s a true woman.
Because she is drugged up and drunk, chain smoking cigs and hoping for day that George goes away.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:04 pmDaryll Says:
Sometimes, I can look at her for a long timespan, until I have to blow her up again. She has a slow leak.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:05 pmJesus, save us from your batsh!t insane followers.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:06 pmWayne Says:
Jesus, save us from your batsh!t insane followers.
They AIN'T Jesus' "followers".
They are BLASPHEMERS and HYPOCRITES and Jesus will say: "I NEVER knew you. Depart from Me, worker of iniquity!"
June 30th, 2008 at 2:18 pmOro Lee Says:
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For example, my wife makes the small decisons, like where the kids go to school and whether we should buy a new house. I make the major decisions, like whether we should pull out of the U.N or bomb Iran.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:02 pm
That's mighty generous of you, Oro Lee. So basically your wife makes all the decisions that matter to your family and household, and you don't do anything.
Do resist the impulse to pat your little wife on the head, won't you?
June 30th, 2008 at 2:21 pmBTW, Oro Lee, I don't need to have any religion in order to be generous or kind to my SO.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:24 pmThanks Arn
But my point is that I don't relish the thought of anyone burning in hell.
I don't hate Daryll. He's just wrong, and hopefully capable of learning. I'm often wrong, but I don't use God to justify my ignorance.
When people believe themselves to be closer to God than others, it leads them to regarding others as lesser beings worthy of eternal punishment.
It's not a very good way to live your life, which is probably why Pride was listed as one of the Deadly Sins.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:31 pmPete Tagliani Says:
I don’t hate Daryll. He’s just wrong, and hopefully capable of learning.
The problem is, a people become incapable of learning from their fellow mere mortals when they think they have God whispering stuff in their ear. They think they are hearing ultimate truths, but it's usually just tinnitus.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:46 pmThe human race is doomed.
June 30th, 2008 at 2:58 pmfamilyman Says:
The human race is doomed
Only if we turn away from the religous dogma which has limited our knowledge. If we move away from ghosts, spitits, and the like, we can over come our issues. The right side is so invested in the 'afterlife', they don't give a sh!t about this life.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:26 pmMcWars Says:
Stay in line for RHF, the troll who speaks out of both sides of his mouth and has an illegible posting style.
Do as I say, not as I do, c**t!
Oh PUHLEASE! All of the Hate Hillary types like yourself would be the TROLLS on this site! This was NOT an Obamahead site, and was founded by Hillary supporters, and they had the decency to stay out of the primaries, yet TROLLS like yourself had no problems with posting smears, hate constant sexist and misogynistic hate rhetoric at Hillary and her supporters. YOUR hypocrisy of TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH is IRONIC and PATHETIC.
Oh, and while I give PROPS to Obama for saying he's against the California amendment to BAN gay marriage, he still refused to accept the gay marriages in California as legitimate and proper... I'm sure you'll find a reason to support his unprogressive stand just like Olbermann has...
My posts are ILLEGIBLE? Sounds more like you're ILLITERATE!
June 30th, 2008 at 3:28 pmZooey Says:
BTW, Oro Lee, I don’t need to have any religion in order to be generous or kind to my SO.
Really? That REMAINS to be seen... You have a SO? Hard to believe that's possible. How often do you need to reinflate them?
June 30th, 2008 at 3:29 pmI'm just here for the rhf meltdown.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:37 pm"So basically your wife makes all the decisions that matter to your family and household, and you don’t do anything."
There are two doors for husbands to enter into heaven: door #1 for those husbands who do everything their wives tell them to do, and door #2 for the independent-minded husbands.
One rare day St. Peter saw a man standing before door #1. Upon being complimented for being an extraordinary husband, the man replied, "Not really, my wife told me to stand here."
Some wives just won't have it any other way.
Prv. 27:15-16
June 30th, 2008 at 3:42 pmrepublicans hate facts Says:
Oh PUHLEASE! All of the Hate Hillary types like yourself would be the TROLLS on this site! This was NOT an Obamahead site, and was founded by Hillary supporters, and they had the decency to stay out of the primaries, yet TROLLS like yourself had no problems with posting smears, hate constant sexist and misogynistic hate rhetoric at Hillary and her supporters. YOUR hypocrisy of TALKING OUT OF BOTH SIDES OF YOUR MOUTH is IRONIC and PATHETIC.
RHF, the only person here who constantly posted hate rhetoric, especially aimed at supporters, was you. This is one of the most amazing examples of transference I've ever seen. You have never posted anything remotely close to a discussion of positions, but from the moment Obama started winning in the primaries you have persistently attacked and mocked his supporters -- not even Obama himself, or his policies, but the delusions and stupidity of the "hopium addicts." Remember? All the "hate rhetoric" spewed from you, RHF. You've been remarkably consistent at it.
June 30th, 2008 at 3:55 pmFor example, my wife makes the small decisons, like where the kids go to school and whether we should buy a new house. I make the major decisions, like whether we should pull out of the U.N or bomb Iran.
Jeebutz, Goldy, you gots nukes in your basement?
BTW, the decision as to where to educate your children is one of the MOST important decisions of yours and THEIR lives.
again, Jeebutz Horatio Kreist.
June 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pmOro Lee Says:
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Some wives just won’t have it any other way.
Prv. 27:15-16
June 30th, 2008 at 3:42 pm
The word "assholierthanthou" comes to mind...
June 30th, 2008 at 4:49 pmRHF seems to believe I have to prove something to him -- or anyone. Go figure...
RHF, go back to your obsessive/compulsive masturbation. The adults are talking.
June 30th, 2008 at 4:51 pmDaryll says: "[...] but women need to obey their husbands, per biblical standards."
OK, let's stick to the "biblical standard"
Let's say you're right and The Bible is the infallable word of God. It is the document from which you the husband claim to be head of the family.
Exodus 21:7 -- Calls for the husband to sell his daughters into slavery. Your father-in-law is a phucking sinner for failing to sell your wife into slavery or you bought and married a slave!!! A violation of Fed Law!!
Lev. 19:19 -- Forbids your wife from wearing clothes made of two different type threads. So she must be stoned for wearing cotton/polyester blends. You hate your own God if you don't punish her for each violation!!!!
Wow you are stupid!!!
June 30th, 2008 at 4:53 pmBTW Daryll,
Why would anyone want to go to the heaven you're headed to? I mean really...I wouldn't want to spend eternity with any of the Christian a$$holes I know or any of their preachers... Spend eternity with Jerry Falwell, Dobson, Jim Bakker, Tammy Faye Bakker, Jimmy (Whore Hopping) Swaggert and the rest of these scum? Not hardly....
That would actually be the pure definition of hell.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:05 pmOne more thanks, Zooey -- this time for the live example. Drip . . . Drip . . . Drip . . . .
June 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pmOh, Zooey, you might give Oro Lee a break. He at least seems to view his marriage as more partnership and sovereign ruler. He is trying, after all. Which is more than I can say for Daryll.
(Oro Lee's also trying for light sarcasm, too. With varying success.)
And Daryll, you might try thinking of and acting for other people from time to time. You know, being the center of the universe can be a lot work. Best give yourself a rest.
June 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pmOro Lee Says:
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Drip . . . Drip . . . Drip . . . .
June 30th, 2008 at 5:33 pm
You might want to get that checked. Your wife will be so disappointed in you...
June 30th, 2008 at 6:08 pmlaurelei23 Says:
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June 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pm
Agreed. He's light years ahead of Daryll.
I find it hard to resist responding to that pompous attitude. ;)
BTW, great name. :)
June 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pmOro Lee Says:
There are two doors for husbands to enter into heaven: door #1 for those husbands who do everything their wives tell them to do, and door #2 for the independent-minded husbands.
One rare day St. Peter saw a man standing before door #1. Upon being complimented for being an extraordinary husband, the man replied, “Not really, my wife told me to stand here.”
Prv. 27:15-16
I don't know what book he's reading from, but it ain't the bible.
Proverbs:
15 A quarrelsome wife is like
a constant dripping on a rainy day;
16 restraining her is like restraining the wind
or grasping oil with the hand.
Perhaps he has the Henny Youngman edition?
"Take my wife, please..."
June 30th, 2008 at 6:53 pmDaryll,
Where did you go? Can't take the heat of moronic religious views like yours?
That's what I thought...you're too ignorant to truly UNDERSTAND The Bible...
Really...as a Chritianista you should do some homework...Displine your wife and sell your daughters into slavery...The Bible says you must!!!!!!!!!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 7:12 pm