I’ll even up what you said a notch. McCain admitted to the North Viets basically that he participated in War Crimes.

At the time, this was a treasonous action on the order of Jane Fonda’s visit.

While I have sympathy that he was almost undoubtedly under torture when he made this admission, it is a rather big factor that needs to be included in calculating his label as Hero.

Freedom Rebel:
I dig that Old Man’s Cave or whatever it is called…

We have one that is a little too close for comfort for me. I can’t remember the name of the top of my head but I always feel like I should diet before trying to squeeze through it. And I’m considered petite. They do however have some pretty neat caves and some serious rock formations that are great ledges. The ledges make for a very scenic view of the park.

If they don’t want to come here, they don’t always have to. Mexicans, for example, have the option of straightening their government out to be more responsive so they can live a better life.

We have plenty of people here with the capacity and will needing qualified jobs. That sentiment is amplified with the current increasing unemployment rate. Supply and demand is compartmentalized.

I don’t buy the excuse that opposition to illegal immigration and excessive overall immigration is linked fully to cultural intolerance. And hiring more workers outside of the country, when absolutely needed, isn’t necessarily slavery. You have groups opposing excessive immigration to keep the environment in check, or the prevention of overpopulation. You can’t give everything the green light from a cultural standpoint.

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June 30th, 2008 at 11:24 am

If they don’t want to come here, they don’t always have to. Mexicans, for example, have the option of straightening their government out to be more responsive so they can live a better life.

We have plenty of people here with the capacity and will needing qualified jobs. That sentiment is amplified with the current increasing unemployment rate. Supply and demand is compartmentalized.

I don’t buy the excuse that opposition to illegal immigration and excessive overall immigration is linked fully to cultural intolerance. And hiring more workers outside of the country, when absolutely needed, isn’t necessarily slavery. You have groups opposing excessive immigration to keep the environment in check, or the prevention of overpopulation. You can’t give everything the green light from a cultural standpoint.

If, under your proposal, I could put myself into a higher tax bracket to relieve the pressure on the health care industry and keep prices stable, I’d do it.
Matter of fact, that sounds like tax-supported universal health care…..

June 30th, 2008 at 10:37 am

Translation: foreing slaves are OK, but damned if they get a qualified job even if they have the capacity and the will.

That worked so well for Sparta…

Bucks Cty PA is nice country though I remember not Pipersville or whatever it was. New Hope is cool!

Freedom Rebel: Don’t you think you have a few too many counties? Still I have great regard for your states park system

We do. I agree we have one of the best state park systems in the US. Around me I have at least 7 I can think of off the top of my head. They are beautiful and well taken care of also.

Really? It’s taken 5 years to figure that out?

Funny I seem to remember a General Shinseki saying something about…oh never mind.

Freedom Rebel: Don’t you think you have a few too many counties? Still I have great regard for your states park system

If you support Illegal workers you have to put yourself into a higher tax bracket to help compensate the massive cost to health care and other public systems strained by the invasion. And if the government doesn’t collect enough money by this voluntary tax system, then the people obviously do not agree with the invasion.

What do ya think? Will you put yourself into the new tax system to help support the illegal worker?
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Obviously you need more caffeine this morning, because your cogs are slipping — even more so than for an ordinary troll.

WHAT about my post suggested that I support illegal immigrants? If you read it carefully, you will notice my point was that most of the suggestions about how to deal with them (deport ‘em all, build a fence, have the Gestapo harrass them, etc.) don’t work. The only thing that will have an effect on deterring illegal immigration is to get serious about penalizing the businesses that hire them. How did you managed to extrapolate from this that I support masses of people entering the country illegally?

But you bring up another point, and that is the “massive cost to health care and other public systems strained by the invasion.” Undocumented workers pay billions of dollars in taxes, including paying into the Social Security system (through false identities) money that they will never collect back. The image of gazillions of foreigners invading us to grab freebies without paying anything into the system is a myth. Here is one of many articles written about just that:

http://www.cnn.com/2008/LIVING/personal/04/15/immigrant.taxes.ap/index.html

Freedom Rebel
You are too kind. I hope the humidity has passed

It has, it is very cool today. I will be able to get alot accomplished. thank you…

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/ 2008/ 06/ 28/ mccains-failed-to-pay-tax_n_109785.html

Shortly after NEWSWEEK inquired about the matter, the McCain aide e-mailed a receipt dated Friday, June 27, confirming payment by the trust to San Diego County in the amount of $6,744.42. County officials say the trust still owes an additional $1,742 for this year, an amount that is overdue and will go into default July 1. Told of the outstanding $1,742, the aide said: “The trust has paid all bills shown owing as of today and will pay all other bills due.”

Ok, what I want to know is how a home in La Jolla is only default for roughly 8k in taxes over 4 years. That is peanuts! Something smells right there. $1742 for one year? Must be the only shack in La Jolla, eh?

So did the anthrax attacks, which President Bush called “a second wave of terrorist attacks upon our country.” As with the 9/11 attacks, he failed to prevent the attacks and has failed to punish the people behind them.

I’d rather have the decent hard working immigrants I’ve been fortunate enough to meet as neighbors than these bitter, fearful, delusional, greedy people that are so up in arms about immigration.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:51 am

I don’t know of any correlation between a suspiciousness of excessive immigration and a reduced work ethic.

I agree entirely, unb. It seems like nearly everyone in Washington is wasting their time babbling about oil, oil, oil, when are they going to wake up and join the 21st century? The possibilities are boundless for clean energy industries, but the politicians are hip-deep in big-oil money, and have no reason to want to get out of it.

“he’s pandering on too much, and becoming more like the Hillary Clinton I couldn’t support. Very disappointing.”

Too-late now. The course is set. Have a drink a raise a toast to the end of the Bush regime.

The immigration problem is easy to solve. Adjusted for inflation, the minimum wage should be about $10/hour. We didn’t have a big immigration problem until the minimum wage fell so far behind inflation.
June 30th, 2008 at 10:41 am

I doubt employers — especially small businesses — would be responsive to such a proposal. It would bring down the teen employment rate further and make it harder for people to start out. First-time jobs would become as daunting as competitive internships for third-year college students to receive. We’re not helping the poor by not making employment easily accessible to them. Market conditions, subject to fluctuate, vary across the country and may not be able to handle such wage requirements.

Employers can also cut jobs and trim hours to deal with the new wage requirements, since any minimum wage increase doesn’t prevent employers from doing so. Government has to respond to the realities of the market instead of taking feel-good action — possibly hurting the people they intend to help.