Fox News Guest: Gitmo Is ‘Really More Like A Boy Scout Camp Than It Is A Prison Camp’
Fox News Guest: Gitmo Is ‘Really More Like A Boy Scout Camp Than It Is A Prison Camp’
On his “Hannity’s America” show on Sunday, Fox News host Sean Hannity brought on former Judge Advocate General (JAG) Kyndra Miller Rotunda, who has publicly blasted the Supreme Court’s recent ruling on Guantanamo as one that “puts soldiers at great risk.” Rotunda and Hannity attempted to repaint Guantanamo Bay as a picturesque retreat akin to a Boy Scout camp:
ROTUNDA: [T]he truth is, it’s really more like a Boy Scout camp than it is a prison camp. [...]
They get up to 12-hours of exercise time a day and they have all kinds of activities. They can play ping-pong, basketball, soccer. They have their own garden. They can check out library books. They have 5,000 titles. Their favorite is the Harry Potter series. [...]
HANNITY: So in other words for the — there wasn’t constant waterboarding going on, there wasn’t torture going on, there wasn’t endless interrogation going on, that they have a lot of free time. They were relatively carefree. … Is that a fair assessment?
ROTUNDA: That is absolutely right.
When asked by Hannity if she had ever “witness[ed] any torture,” Rotunda replied, “None at all, no.” Watch it:
It’s amazing that Hannity was able to find even one JAG that would make these assertions, since they contradict thousands of pages of reports about the deplorable conditions at the detention camp. FBI agents who worked at the facility have reported that detainees were subjected to harsh conditions, including “the use of growling dogs,” at least as recently as 2004:
Detainees at the U.S. military prison at Guantanamo Bay, Cuba, were shackled to the floor in fetal positions for more than 24 hours at a time, left without food and water, and allowed to defecate on themselves, an FBI agent who said he witnessed such abuse reported in a memo to supervisors.
A comparison of Camp Delta at Guantanamo Bay and a Boy Scout camp — two locations that could be confused only in Hannity’s America:
So by the right wing’s logic, it’s ok to indefinitely detain hundreds of men — many of whom are likely innocent — as long as the prison’s conditions aren’t completely terrible? Roughly 270 men remain at the prison facility, some of whom have been held more than six years. Many detainees have committed suicide, which the International Committee of the Red Cross has said are “a direct result of the uncertainties of their situations.”
Transcript:
HANNITY: Major Rotunda, thank you for being with us on HANNITY’S AMERICA. Thanks for being here.
MAJOR KYNDRA ROTUNDA, “HONOR BOUND”: Thank you. I’m happy to be with you.
HANNITY: Why don’t we talk a little bit about your background and your desire, you choice, your request to go to Gitmo?
ROTUNDA: Well, I started my career in the JAG corps. I was stationed at Walter Reed on 9/11 when the Pentagon was attacked. And shortly thereafter it was time for me to start looking for another assignment. When I learned that detainees were being held at Guantanamo Bay I knew that that was going to be the legal front. And it’s where — and that’s where I wanted to go so I started lobbying –
HANNITY: Yes.
ROTUNDA: — for a position to do that.
HANNITY: All right. How long were you there? What was your role and how close were you to those being detained there?
ROTUNDA: Well, I was in Guantanamo Bay from August of `02 through March of ‘03, so about seven months. My role was to be the legal adviser to the camp commander. And so I advised him on legal issues and I also liaised and worked very closely with the International Committee of the Red Cross.
HANNITY: Right. Well, I think for a lot of our audience — I think one of the big questions is the treatment of the enemy combatants that are there. For example, we talk in our package about basketball, about ping-pong, about religious considerations that were made there.
Can you explain in detail? They were considerable, were they not?
ROTUNDA: Oh, they’re very considerable, Sean. Look, I know there is been a lot of allegations about Guantanamo Bay. But the truth is, it’s really more like a Boy Scout camp than it is a prison camp.
These detainees live in open bay. They live 10 to (INAUDIBLE). They get up to 12-hours of exercise time a day and they have all kinds of activities. They can play ping-pong, basketball, soccer. They have their own garden. They can check out library books. They have 5,000 titles. Their favorite is the Harry Potter series. They can even take classes — you know all kinds of privileges.
HANNITY: So in other words for the — there wasn’t constant waterboarding going on, there wasn’t torture going on, there wasn’t endless interrogation going on, that they have a lot of free time. They were relatively carefree. At times like they were even being treated better than prisoners convicted in this country.
Is that a fair assessment?
ROTUNDA: That is absolutely right. And in my book I talk about that. In fact, the Supreme Court have just upheld conditions in an Ohio prison that are much more harsh. And remember, these are U.S. citizens in a U.S. prison. It’s upheld very harsh conditions that aren’t anything like Guantanamo Bay.
And they’re — frankly they are getting more privileges than any POW in any war before. And so — yes, there’s a lot of criticism. Sure, there are plenty of allegations of torture in Guantanamo Bay. The problem is there are just no facts to back it up.
HANNITY: Well, you know — as somebody who’s there, this is so important for people to hear. I want you to go into detail, as you do in your book, about the religious considerations that are offered to the enemy combatants.
ROTUNDA: OK. Right. Well, the detainees — first of all they point arrows to Mecca every where around the camp so that the detainees know where to pray. They are issued prayer oil, prayer beads, prayer caps, prayer masks. They get — five times a day they get to call to prayer where they get 20 minutes of uninterrupted time.
The military puts that prayer cones that you cannot interrupt the detainees. You have to leave them alone during that time, even if they are not praying.
HANNITY: For just for the record you never witnessed any torture?
ROTUNDA: None at all, no.
HANNITY: And you’ve never witnessed any Korans being flushed down the toilet?
ROTUNDA: Not at all. In fact, you know, the Korans in Guantanamo Bay — and I think this is a bad idea, and I talk about this in my book. They are off limits to the U.S. guards. So when guards go in to search a cell they cannot touch the Koran.
Well, of course, all that does is just invite –
HANNITY: Yes.
ROTUNDA: — the detainees to hide weapons and contrabands.
HANNITY: Sure.
ROTUNDA: — in the Koran. So that’s what they do and they attack guards.
HANNITY: Well, yes. Why wouldn’t they when they no that those Korans are not going to be checked.
ROTUNDA: Exactly.
HANNITY: Thank you very much for being with us.
ROTUNDA: Thank you.
HANNITY: I think you gave a great insight for our audience and we appreciate your time. Thank you.
ROTUNDA: Thank you. Pleasure to be with you.
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Disingenuous to make such a claim.
Since when is TORTURE a merit badge?
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:04 pmGee, I wonder why this lone voice in the wilderness is on Faux with hanitee-hee.
I am sure both she and Sean have been on extensive tours.
All we need to know.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pmIf my children ever end up at a scout camp run like Guantanamo I think I’ll pull them out and ask for a refund.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:05 pmI wonder if this is just like Jesus Camp?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pmROTUNDA: [T]he truth is, it’s really more like a Boy Scout camp than it is a prison camp. […]
Since it is such a nice place to visit with so much free time, all in favor of sending Rotunda and Hannity to Gitmo!!
I’ll buy the plane tickets…
July 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pmFox contunues to amaze…
July 1st, 2008 at 2:07 pmWait… you mean I wasnt supposed to be shackled and tortured 24 hours a day in Boy Scout Camp?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pmYes, and Iraq is like DisneyLand.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:08 pmYeah – it’s just like Club Med – with torture.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:10 pmI suggest we send this b|tch there for a vacation. And, make sure that they get all the special “treatments” available at this camp like waterboarding.
What is wrong with these people? They have no souls.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pmAnd you can’t go home.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:11 pmHELLO! Where do I go to get my waterboarding merit badge?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pmHannity has to have some in-breeding in his family tree back there somewhere.
¶ AIO
July 1st, 2008 at 2:13 pmwent hiking – with Joe Spivey
July 1st, 2008 at 2:16 pmHe developed – Poison Ivy
You remember – Leonard Skinner
He got ptomaine pois’ning last night after dinner
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Hummm…
It’s just like…
Gitmo is just like a B.S. camp
Green Zone is just like Disney Land
Waterboarding is just like swimming
McCain is just like a hero
Baghdad markets are just like Indiana
Mission is just like accomplished
Bush/Cheney are just like honest
… Loyalty blinds
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July 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pmSo how come this idyllic spot doesn’t appear in any of the travel brochures?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pmSo, we should recommend that Sean go there on vacation? Nice.
Of course, they cannot leave, being on an island and all, and somehow deep inside, I don’t think it is all fun and games.
These people disgust me.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pmSomeone needs to remind Hannity and this other cruel b¡tch that you don’t enjoy the soccer matches and Smores quite as much after being sodomized.
¶ AIO
July 1st, 2008 at 2:19 pmMax-1 Says
July 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pm
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And don’t forget that Baghdad is just like Mall of America…
July 1st, 2008 at 2:20 pmJust can’t find any traction this day eh check mark?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:22 pmSTFU, skid_mark.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:24 pmJust when you thought it could not get any more absurd, it does, but only on fox. Boy Scouts and affiliates should be pissed. How dare they compare a prison to Boy Scout camp. Neither one has been to either one, so how can they make a factual comparison?
It is possible for S(hit) H(ead) to be too ridiculous for his audience? Are those people really that stupid?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:26 pmAnd let’s not forget the lemon chicken!
Look, since we’re running a budget deficit, why not shut Gitmo down and open up Camp Tu-Ende-Wei on the Fox River to them! They could weave lanyards–which would give something back to the nation–learn to tell a finch from a chickadee, and they could sit around the campfire telling scary Osama bin Laden stories!
July 1st, 2008 at 2:27 pmThere’s a stupid cow in every pasture.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:28 pmWell, the free medical care is probably better than the care offered at a boy scout camp.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pmtaken for no reason, beaten and tortured. no chance at a trial.
yeah, those are my memories of boy scouts.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:29 pmI think she’s part of a new S&M cult…
July 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pmdbadass Says:
Just can’t find any traction this day eh check mark?
When the going gets tough, take my advice
July 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pmPull down your pants, and slide on the ice….
You should check out her website, Zoo. Eagle-Flag-Statue, the usual layout.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pmhttp://www.kyndrarotunda.com
July 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pm#20 check_mark,
Prove these men and children who are being indefinitely detained ARE guilty… Neither can the US Government, silly.
Or is suspicion and potentialities the thresh hold of guilt, assumed or otherwise? And if so, what crime ARE you capable of committing that we should expect from you and therefore, resort to detention, internment and rendition?
If the thresh hold is so low, then how do YOU stand up to it?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pmHmm, when was the last time I mentioned that “Conservatism is a mental disorder“? Seems like a while.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:33 pmDo they hand out merit badges?
Cattle prod use – Shackle proficiency – Solitary Confinement Time – Water Torture Race – Same Book read most times – Koran toilet flushing
Sounds like fun, I would love to be locked up for 6 years for nothing, it would give me time to sharpen up my ping-pong game.
Sick fcuks these Republicans be.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:41 pmThat level of stupidity should be against the law, and I know just where to put them. The problem would then be space limitations.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:43 pmMcWars Says:
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You should check out her website, Zoo. Eagle-Flag-Statue, the usual layout.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:31 pm
Ugh. I wonder where this strong woman is keeping her pearls?
July 1st, 2008 at 2:47 pmWell then, Ms. Miller Rotunda shouldn’t have any arguments when we sign her up for camp counselor this summer.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pmThis was posted earlier today in the ThinkFast segment:
And finally: Yesterday was the last day of freedom for former Alaska state congressman Vic Kohring, who was found guilty of accepting bribes. Kohring had been preparing for his 3 1/2-year prison sentence by googling the Southern California facility. Kohring said he plans to write an autobiography — called “Absolutely Innocent” — and read a lot. “It’s almost like going away on a vacation
Wonder if he wouldn’t rather have a nice ’southern’ vacation instead. Maybe he’d like to invite the two ladies along, Rotunda & Hannity.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:49 pmScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Says
July 1st, 2008 at 2:30 pm
I think she’s part of a new S&M cult…
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So she should really enjoy a vacation in this Caribbean resort. I say we indulge her.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:50 pmTypical Republican. Everything can be explained away by false branding. They just need a slogan. How about:
“Visit Camp Gitmo: Come for the craft lessons, stay for the torture”
Or perhaps:
“Visit Camp Gitmo: Once you get here you’ll never want to — or be able to — go home”
Maybe:
“Visit Camp Gitmo: Leave your cares — and your habeas petitions — behind”
July 1st, 2008 at 2:54 pmHabeas corpus bee-yotch.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pmSkid_mark is volunteering go to Gitmo. You do realize it’s an open ended engagement don’t you nitwit.
July 1st, 2008 at 2:58 pmWell of course it’s like a boy scout camp.
Complete with tropical weather, palm trees, a great view of the Caribbean, wonderful beaches, sunny days, yadda yadda yadda.
Geez, tightie righties blow a gasket over a Pixar cartoon, yet have no problem equating illegal detainment and torture to a bunch of kids having fun????????
July 1st, 2008 at 3:00 pmI got kicked out of Boy Scouts for eating Brownies…
July 1st, 2008 at 3:01 pmTrippleKick Says:
“They get up to 12-hours of exercise time a day and they have all kinds of activities. They can play ping-pong, basketball, soccer. They have their own garden. They can check out library books. They have 5,000 titles. Their favorite is the Harry Potter series.”
Oh the horror! Those poor terrorist!
This soulless troll sees no horror in being held, against your will, indefinitely with no charges against you. This soulless troll sees no horror in being tortured into confessing to crimes you didn’t commit. This soulless troll sees no horror in having a family who doesn’t know if you are alive or dead. When you are soulless, you are incapable of recognizing crimes against humanity. There is a special place in hell waiting for people like this soulless troll.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:02 pmTrippleKick Says:
Oh the horror! Those poor terrorist!
How do you know they are terrorists? How many have been convicted. Even the DoD says over half there are not terrorists.
It would like arresting you and 10 other people because you were in the vicinity of a killing and called you all murderers and locked you up with no legal representation, no chance for bail, no trial.
But I guess that would be OK with you, huh?
July 1st, 2008 at 3:03 pmOh, and Kyndra Miller Rotunda (there’s got to be a joke there somewhere), I hope. NO! I PRAY that your children never have to endure anything remotely similar to this “Boy Scout Camp”!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pmIf that happened to tripper, he would be crying for his mommy louder than anyone!
July 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pmAnd you know they’re all his friends how? Because the Bush Reich told you they were. You’re such a good little Nazi.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:04 pmThe troll’s inhuman cruelty, while trying to defend criminal acts, will keep logic and reason out of its reach.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:05 pmI say we round up TrippleKick and check_mark and send them both to Gitmo for an indeterminate stay. While there, we should make sure that they take advantage of all the services, including waterboarding and other fun forms of torture. And, we should make sure that their families don’t know where they are or where they went. After all, they are sounding an awful lot like terrorists to us and because we suspect they may be terrorists, it is within our rights to take them off the streets, against their will, and send them to Gitmo.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:08 pmNow maybe Bush and the trolls will admit that they don’t “hate us for our freedom”. First of all we don’t have our freedoms anymore. And since Bush and his followers came into power they have a reason to hate us. We are now the most evil empire on the planet. Now if you Bush followers, who have helped destroy this country and it’s reputation would just STFU at least we might give you respect for being half sane.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pmSure check mark. What’s your point?
July 1st, 2008 at 3:09 pmYour sympathy for KSM and his friends, while simultaneously demonizing your military’s efforts to eliminate the threat of terrorism will continue to keep the white house out of your reach.
The more you tighten your grip, Tripple, the more star systems will slip through your fingers…
July 1st, 2008 at 3:10 pmAbdul Hamid Hassan Ali, Adbullah Walid, Aisha Younis Salim. Any of these people ring a bell?
July 1st, 2008 at 3:11 pmAli Shalal Abbas. Does that name ring bell?
July 1st, 2008 at 3:13 pmcheck_mark Says:
Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong, and Jack Hensley any of these people ring a bell??
July 1st, 2008 at 3:06 pm
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They’re people who were tortured and murdered by terrorists. What’s your point? If you’re actually suggesting that the United States should stoop to the level of the terrorists who tortured and murdered these people, your moral compass may need some fine-tuning.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:17 pmMy Boy Scout camps were only a week long. There’s one BIG difference.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:20 pmdbadass, DRxJ, of course they guilty, they’re BROWN.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pmRight skidmark?
check_mark Says:
next!
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July 1st, 2008 at 3:21 pmSee # 60
Bushco and trolls. Dedicated to defending the indefensible.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:23 pmWhat idiots they are.
I guess them missing their country, family and friends doesn’t count.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pmIf you’re actually suggesting that the United States should stoop to the level of the terrorists who tortured and murdered these people, your moral compass may need some fine-tuning.
Well, we have gone that far. Bush has made us into a third world dicatorship and a torture nation. That much is true and very well known. No doubt, it makes our little trolls happy because they get to appear tough and ’serious’ rather than the scared little bed wetters they really are. Cowards all of them…
July 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pmTorture is torture.
Trolls defending torture in the name of freedom are torturous.
Ben Franklin had you guys pegged, & you deserve neither.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:30 pmcheck_mark Says:
This is the same kind of crap that got marines accused of murder in Afghanistan. Why don’t you ask John P. Murtha how far listening to these liars got him?
John Murtha leaves more patriotism on his toilet paper, than you will ever have.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:33 pmSkid Mark and his ilk are askeeert of a couple of thousand crazed religious lunatics. They’d gladly trade their Constitutional rights for a fascist dictatorship that promises them a safe cocoon to live in.
Live Free America! Don’t let these assclowns have another representative in Congress or the Executive branch for the rest of the next four decades!
July 1st, 2008 at 3:38 pmI am sort of concerned about the wheelchair bound grandpa and the 3 and 4 year olds
July 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pmSkid Mark: This is a post dealing with a specific topic. Please limit your insane rants to the particular topic of the thread. I know you are not used to ‘coloring within the lines’, but please try and do the adults a favor. We get very bored when the children leave the ‘kiddie table’ and bother us at the grown up table.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pmTrippleKick: This is a post dealing with a specific topic. Please limit your insane rants to the particular topic of the thread. I know you are not used to ‘coloring within the lines’, but please try and do the adults a favor. We get very bored when the children leave the ‘kiddie table’ and bother us at the grown up table.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pmbelac @#58 ! Precious, exactly what I was thinking!!! The dark side is strong is that one…!
July 1st, 2008 at 3:45 pmpete @#67 ~ And at 10 cents a post, you’d think they’d be for a minimum wage?!
July 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pmHey Check Mark:
July 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pmDo you think little Aisha “hated my freedoms”?
“This is the same kind of crap that got marines accused of murder in Afghanistan. ”
Skiddy, what the fu ck are you talking about? Please post a link, or some evidence, and just maybe someone might take your rant seriously. Maybe.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:49 pmcheck_mark Says:
John Murtha is a disgrace this country and he should send to prison for life for what he did to those marines.
they always have trouble
with their spelling.
it’s a dead giveaway.
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busted.
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thank you.
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July 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pmLast time I checked, Haditha was in Iraq, not Afghanistan. Jeebutz, somebody give the trolls an atlas. Up the colon.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pmcheck_mark Says:
It’s very relevant to the topic at hand; you just have a hard time facing the truth about that scumbag Murtha.
when they resort to name calling,
you know they’re losing
it.
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thank you.
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good luck.
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July 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pmTrippleKick Says:
Rat,
You are the one going on about how great Murtha is. The guy is a schmuck, and his notorious murdered “in cold blood” comments are going to cost him.
I made one reference to Murtha in post 72, no other. Again, I know it is difficult to keep up, but please try. I am not going on about Murth, as the topic of the thread is not Murtha.
You have hijacked the thread and made it into a Murtha thread because you have nothing to offer vis-a-vis the topic of the thread. That’s the trouble when homeschooled trolls attempt to show their knowledge.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pmCheck Mark:
July 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pmAbdullah Walid was definately up to no good eh?
TrickySuck, I hope that someday all this will come back to haunt you.
Perhaps a Democratic president will decide to declare YOU a “terrorist suspect” and make YOU disappear. Perhaps that president will give orders to have you tortured – oh, no, wait, those are only *fraternity pranks*! Ooops, my bad.
Or maybe in a darker future, the sad day will come when the Chinese invade and occupy America – and Chinese soldier burst into your house and shoot your family – your wife, your children, your grandmother – in their beds.
And then maybe a future John Murtha will demand justice for your family’s murder – and not get it, because the Chinese will have corrupted our “justice” system to the point where justice is unrecognizable – sort of like Chimpy has done to our current “justice” system.
And if those days come, SippyCup, you sick bastard, I hope you suffer. I really do.
July 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pmIn all fairness, having to eat food cooked by Scouts is most definitely a form of torture.
And if Gitmo is so nice, why don’t they open the gates up so that folks can leave when they want to ?
July 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pmSkid_mark Says:
heres a couple of facts on your buddy John McSame!
>Crashed five planes, after stealing two of them
>Made propoganda films for the vietcong
>Left his ailing wife to marry a beer guzzling businesswoman
>Cannot remember what day it is, or for that matter, what country he is speaking about.
>Allowed Bush to badly insult McCain and his family, only to embrace Bush the very frist chance he got.
>Was against the new Webb authored GI bill. McSame took advantage of the benefits due him, but wants to limit what the present day soldiers get; But he supports the troops.
>Avoiding the very same campaign rules his bill wrote into law.
That’s all I am going to say to you about these topics. I humored you because I feel sorry for you and those like you.
I don’t think you are unAmerican, I just think you have no thoughts of your own – so you regurgitate whatever comes out of Fox News. I don’t blame you for being dumb; it is not your fault you were homeschooled. I’m sure growing up was also very unpleasant. Being dumb and socially inept can be a hard hill to climb, when you have laziness as your core philosophy.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pmNot much in the way of trolls these days. Just a couple of semi-literate bedwetters today.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pmKrippleTick, some folks spread happiness where ever they go.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pmOthers spread happiness whenever they go.
check_mark Says:
In May, Rep. John Murtha, D-PA, appeared on “Good Morning America” accusing United States Marines of killing “. . . innocent civilians in cold blood” and higher military officers of covering up murder
July 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
So? The fact remains that those Marines did kill 24 innocent civilians in cold blood, and their superiors covered it up. They covered it up so well that most of the murder charges have been dropped. This does not mean, however, that 24 innocent Iraqis were not killed in cold blood:
July 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pmhttp://www.mcclatchydc.com/staff/leila_fadel/story/41817.html
Terrorists reading Harry Potter in their slippers. How weird is that?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pmI wonder why the trolls think that Bush insisted no Americans will be tried in Iraqi courts? Who is being protected from whom?
Here’s a hint. It’s not to protect innocent soldiers or contractors.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pmhey Check Mark:
July 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pmArne’t you glad we took care of Abdul Hamid Hassan Ali over there before he could roll that chair over here?
How did this thread go from some idjit comparing Gitmo to camping among young children, to a Murtha attack via 2006?
HOW IN THE HELL IS THAT RELEVANT TO THE TOPIC????
But, since it’s been derailed, it appears DribbleDick and check_mark(and run away quickly from the big scary black man) condone the murder of 24 innocent civilians.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:26 pmcheck_mark(and hide from the big scary gay black man) Says:
When you go to vote for Hussein I’ll be voting for the maverick and your vote will be canceled out. Might as well start another campaign to try and peg another lie on our troops. You’ve taken the first step by be apart of the Soros propaganda machine. Maybe you and Murtha will be shower buddies in prison. He might be nice enough to drop the soap for ya!!!
Anyone care to translate this gibberish for me?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pmThe trolls have done what they always intend to do: derail the thread so our discussions and points get diluted from their spamming. I’m not going to play their game, as they have nothing serious to offer. They like their king – and that is that. Between the two trolls here, they probably couldn’t find their way out of a phone booth.
I do worry for the future of America if these trolls procreate. Please, use a condom.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pmCondone? I must disagree DRxJ. The trolls revel in violence, so long as they don’t have to risk their own precious skin. They get a stiffy when people get hurt. But, they represent a dwindling minority.
Heck! If there were that many left we wouldn’t be reduced to debating recycled sock puppets. If the Reich were still a vital force? TP would have hundreds of new trolls every day. Instead, we have to suffer with the same 2 trolls in every thread.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pmOK, SuckyDick, you want to talk “unstable”…?
Which of us is in favor of torture?
‘Nuff said.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pmBack on topic:
I wonder if Ms. Rotunda is aware that many of her colleagues and superiors have loudly condemned how detainees are treated. Is she aware that the SCOTUS just made a major ruling AGAINST our treatment of prisoners? Is she aware that the International Red Cross has condemned our actions? Is she aware that she is promoting the abandonment of one of the oldest, and most widespread, human rights in history?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pmThe true irony of this thread?
July 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pmI provided a link to a person who says he was tortured. Yes there were some inconsistencies, but there is no denying that torture took place. Yet, our troll du jour completely denied the link, even going as far as calling him a liar.
Yet, 24 innocent civilians were murdered in cold blood. Families of the dead are still grieving, and are extremely upset over the cover up by the Marines, and all the troll can do is shout “Murtha” circa 2006, as if this alone will atone for the killings.
Mucking Forons!
Heh. Shine a light on a cockroach and it scurries away.
July 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pmDRxJ Says
July 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
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check_mark(and hide from the big scary gay black man) Says:
When you go to vote for Hussein I’ll be voting for the maverick and your vote will be canceled out. Might as well start another campaign to try and peg another lie on our troops. You’ve taken the first step by be apart of the Soros propaganda machine. Maybe you and Murtha will be shower buddies in prison. He might be nice enough to drop the soap for ya!!!
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Anyone care to translate this gibberish for me?
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I’ll give it a shot. I think what he’s saying is:
Blah blah Obama bad guy blah blah McCain good guy blah blah. Yadda yadda I have no proof Murtha lies but I’ll make the accusation anyway blah blah blah. I have no argument that makes sense so I’m going to throw the name of George Soros in here like it means something, because I hope that if I say it often enough it will become a bad word. Blah blah blah gratuitous prison reference to make me sound like a tough guy and hopefully distract from the fact I have nothing intelligent to say.
There — hope that helps.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pmAccording to Ms. Rotunda’s Web site, she was
The JAG officer who had to deal with the Red Cross would have, of necessity, been shielded from any information regarding actual detainee treatment, in addition to even knowing how many detainees were at the facility. It’s clear that Ms. Rotunda’s presence and position at Gitmo was essentially for show only.
I wonder if she knows.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pmLet’s pretend we’re in Hannity’s make-believe-land where the Gitmo detainees were being treated just as described.
They still, whether innocent or guilty, do not have their freedom, contact with their familes (spouses, children, extended families), friends, or the homeland.
The least we can do is give them a legitimate day in court. The ones that are truly terrorists get punished accordingly. Those caught in the dragnet, can finally go home.
Of course, that’s assuming they are being treated extremely well, which in reality-land, is probably not the case.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pmHeh. SLAG officer, more like.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:34 pmThe mystery is solved! The billions missing in Iraq has really gone to pay for lemon chicken for the prisoners who undoubtedly eat better than the guards there…Halal meat, buffets, these prisoners have it so big that they require the $23 billion missing or whatever it is…
July 1st, 2008 at 5:40 pmTrippleKick Says:
Your sympathy for KSM and his friends, while simultaneously demonizing your military’s efforts to eliminate the threat of terrorism will continue to keep the white house out of your reach.
oh go eat a bag of hell, I mean a bag of straw men…
July 1st, 2008 at 5:42 pmStratRat,
Yea Murtha’s a good guy.
Ever see Jack Murtha’s Abscam greatest hits?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pujo8mCQZcw&NR=1
“You came to the right guys”
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U9HkKhaylKg
to a troll, if a Democrat said it, it must not be true…if a Republican said it, then it must be true. If a Republican told him that jumping off a bridge, he would be transported to another world filled with gold and silver, he would believe it…
July 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pmcheck_mark Says:
Nick Berg, Eugene Armstrong, and Jack Hensley any of these people ring a bell??
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Adolph Hitler, Benito Mussolini, Pinochet, Shah of Iran,
and Marcos of the Philippines ring any bells ?
Fascists all,.. most supported and installed by extreme right-wing American Fascists groups – so these countries could be exploited by the Fascist American Robber Baron – bankers, capitalists, industrialists, and corporatists.
Look how nicely all that turned out for America and world affairs. Fascists don’t solve problems – they only compound them.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:54 pmThis wuss would wet his pants at Girl Scout Camp when mommy wasn’t there to make his bed. But who are we to keep him from Gitmo.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:58 pmOnly if they torture the boy scouts & don’t let them speak to their families for 7 years.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pmHmm…sounds like they’ve been watching a little too many Lost reruns…
*Han-Han and Rotunda watch Sayid torture Sawyer after a little arts and craft session with some Bamboo*
July 1st, 2008 at 7:17 pm“It’s just like the boy scouts! Tropical island, they can’t leave…ever, shadowy overlords of the island frequently torment the people stuck there…my God, it’s so eerie!”
Kyndra Miller Rotunda,
You are pure fascist, RePugniScum TRASH!!! You’re gonna a bigger hell to reside in than I planned on!!!!
July 1st, 2008 at 7:59 pmi’d rather go to guantanamo bay than watch faux news. a swift kick in the balls is more pleasant than watching sean hannity
July 1st, 2008 at 8:18 pmIt’s obvious, isn’t it? By likening Gitmo to a boy scout camp, the Bushnut crowd is laying the basis for charging the Gitmo vacationers for their vacation. Charge them for room rent, use of the exercise room, meals, medical assistance, uniforms, guards (including overtime), transportation, and anything else the admirers of Richard Nixon and Ayn Rand can tack on.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pmWhen asked by Hannity if she had ever “witness[ed] any torture,” Rotunda replied, “None at all, no.”
Well, there you have it. No torture. Because we all know that when members of the media visit Gitmo, they’re immediately shown the torture chambers. Idiots.
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 am#119 drick23,
Name ONE redeeming quality to TORTURE…
Name ONE redeeming quality to LYING…
Name ONE redeeming quality to FRAUD…
Name ONE redeeming quality to MURDER…
Name ONE redeeming quality to WAR CRIMES…
Name ONE redeeming quality to usurping the People’s Rights…
Name ONE redeeming quality, JUST ONE…
…That warrants a defense!
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July 2nd, 2008 at 2:47 amHave ever thought that both the republicans and the “terrorists” need each other? The republican need the terror threat to use fear as a campaign issue to win election and hang on to power, and the “terrorists” need the republican Sabre rattling to recruit and sustain their existence! It is so elementary, so obvious! Duh!
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:35 pm