Hersh: Cheney ‘Privately’ Says He Prefers U.S. — Not Israel — Strike Iran Because ‘We’ll Get Blamed Anyway’
Hersh: Cheney ‘Privately’ Says He Prefers U.S. — Not Israel — Strike Iran Because ‘We’ll Get Blamed Anyway’
Earlier this week, in an article called “Preparing the Battlefield,” the New Yorker’s Seymour Hersh reported that late last year, “Congress agreed to a request from President Bush to fund a major escalation of covert operations against Iran.” On MSNBC today, Andrea Mitchell asked Hersh if the U.S. was “planning military action” against Iran or “planning to support Israeli military action?”
“Oh, you know, how the hell do I know,” replied Hersh. “What I can tell you is we’re loaded for bear. And we’ve been looking at it for three years.” He then said that Vice President Dick Cheney “privately” is against an Israeli attack because the U.S. will “be blamed anyway”:
HERSH: If Israel goes — I’ll tell you what Cheney’s says privately, and whether or not you, how I know this is, — what he says privately is, “we can’t let Israel go because, first of all, they don’t have the firepower, we do. We have much more firepower. And secondly, if they go, we’ll be blamed anyway.”
Asked by Mitchell if that meant Cheney wanted the U.S. involved, Hersh replied, “there you go.” Watch it:
Though Hersh says Cheney only conveys this view “privately,” he has made a similar argument at least once before in public. On Jan. 20, 2005, Cheney went on the “Imus in the Morning” show and discussed another Hersh article about U.S. war posture towards Iran.
“Why don’t we make Israel do it?” asked Imus. “We don’t want a war in the Middle East, if we can avoid it,” replied Cheney. But, he said, “Israel might do it without being asked,” leaving the world to clean up “the diplomatic mess afterwards”:
IMUS: Why don’t we make Israel do it?
CHENEY: Well, one of the concerns people have is that Israel might do it without being asked, that if, in fact, the Israelis became convinced the Iranians had significant nuclear capability, given the fact that Iran has a stated policy that their objective is the destruction of Israel, the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards.
Asked by Mitchell if it was “possible this would happen before the election,” Hersh said he didn’t think so, but that what he thinks “means nothing” because “this could happen tomorrow, the president could have a bad hair day and say, ‘to hell with it, let’s go.’”
Transcript:
MITCHELL: But are we planning, is the United States planning military action — or is the United States planning to support Israeli military action?HERSH: Oh, you know, how the hell do I know? I mean this is for, this is above my pay grade. What I can tell you is we’re loaded for bear. And we’ve been looking at it for three years, we’ve got the submarines ready, we’ve got the cruise missiles there, they’re on destroyers. Everybody knows what to do. The pilots know where to bomb. The plan’s all been done for probably six months or not. If Israel goes — I’ll tell you what Cheney’s says privately, and whether or not you, how I know this is, — what he says privately is, “we can’t let Israel go because, first of all, they don’t have the firepower, we do. We have much more firepower. And secondly, if they go, we’ll be blamed anyway.”
MITCHELL: So you might as well have the U.S. backing it up, or at least taking out the Iranian anti-aircraft…
HERSH: There you go.
MITCHELL: …force, so that Israel could then have an unimpeded way in. For, we’re not talking about a ground invasion, we’re talking about targeted airstrikes against what they suspect to be nuclear facilities, whether or not their intelligence is good or not.
HERSH: Well, that’s always…
MITCHELL: That’s another issue.
HERSH: That’s another issue. And one of the things you have to do, you do have to, as you said, take out their radar and their missiles, and some of those are dug in underground, so you might have to send a special unit of the marines, some of our Delta Force boys, we’ve got a lot of very competent guys. And certainly they’ve gotten a lot more competent in the last seven years to go take them out physically, you know.
MITCHELL: Do you think it’s possible this would happen before the election?
HERSH: No. No, I don’t think so. But what I think means nothing because this could happen tomorrow, the president could have a bad hair day and say, “to hell with it, let’s go.”
MITCHELL: I think he would take it a little more seriously than that, but…Sy Hersh.
HERSH: No, you know what I mean, in general we just don’t know. He still wants diplomacy, I do believe that, but diplomacy for this president is these guys giving up everything in terms of enrichment before we discuss it and that’s a non-starter too.
MITCHELL: Sy Hersh, on the case, on Iran. Thank you very much.
HERSH: You’re welcome.
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Maybe Hersh could run for president?
July 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pmJebus. These people talk about nuclear war as if it were a walk in the park…
God help us.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pmthe president could have a bad hair day and say, ‘to hell with it, let’s go.’”
- - Yes, I could see how this wouldn’t be a concern for Cheney.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pmIn the black pit where his heart should be The Dick deeply wants to play the Slim Pickens role in the documentary remake of Doctor Strangelove.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:48 pmCheney: “the Israelis might well decide to act first, and let the rest of the world worry about cleaning up the diplomatic mess afterwards”.
It sounds like Dick is afraid Israel might stake a claim to some of that Iranian oil.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pmDo these neocon idiots ever think of the consequences of their actions at all?
They would destroy the entire world because of their over inflated egos.
They are sick, and should be taken out of government, which they obviously can’t run correctly.
They should not be interviewed for the low educated public to believe.
Just look how stupid Skid mark is, this is what happens when their mothers drink too much during pregnancy.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:49 pmIsrael can go Cheney itself for all it matters to me.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:52 pmConsidering the close links between USA and Israel, I’d have to agree that a strike by Israel would easily be construed as being, at a minimum, with US complicity - if not outright support and involvement.
I can’t believe it. I just agreed with Cheney. Someone please help me.
July 1st, 2008 at 5:59 pmBuckie Boy Says:
Do these neocon idiots ever think of the consequences of their actions at all?
They would destroy the entire world because of their over inflated egos.
If you look at all the NeoCons, not ONE of them have ever served in the military or ever been in combat. And many of them have dual citizenship (and the other country isn’t Canada!). They are the true definition of ‘chickenhawk’.
How this country ever let this bunch of scumbags take over is a very scary thing.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:00 pmStratRat Says:
Maybe Hersh could run for president?
Hersch is a journalist’s journalist.
Among other things he helped uncover and expand the public’s knowledge of the 400 murdered civilians at My Lai by Calley and Medina’s thugs.
A true patriot!
July 1st, 2008 at 6:05 pmjabberjaw Says:
StratRat Says:
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Maybe Hersh could run for president?
July 1st, 2008 at 5:45 pm
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…. of Iran?
I guess if that is what you want - although I think Hersh is Jewish, so that may not work out too well; Plus Iran already has an elected president. They actually do have elections in Iran, you know.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:07 pmCheney ‘Privately’ Says He Prefers U.S. — Not Israel — Strike Iran Because ‘We’ll Get Blamed Anyway’
What? Is the filthy bastard trying to drum up more no bid contracts for the corporate run so called war? Will the defense invested media play along?
They certainly have with this:
Bush Wrongly Credits McCain For ‘Working Hard’ On G.I. Bill
The outright lies protected by the corporate media is appalling!
July 1st, 2008 at 6:10 pmYes it is scary, upside, but not a mystery. The neocons found a ready “base” of idiots which grew out of Fallwell’s “Moral Majority”. They then motivated this base, during a time of relative comfort and complacency, to the detriment of human civilization. (It’s actually the same trick used by Hitler, though in his case he used the dissatisfied majority in a time of economic hardship.)
However, it looks like their time is nearing it’s end. The comfort and complacency have been replaced by recession/depression and outrage. Heck! Even the Religious Right is showing signs of fracturing. They seem to hate McPander Bear as much as they fear Obama. There is even a chance that they will split their votes among various radical “third party” candidates or just stay home.
That’s a very encouraging sign. In fact, I don’t see how the current incarnation of the Republicriminal party can survive without that mindless 19% voting as a block. And even with them, I think that those who despise what they have done in our names will send them to their ignominious fate.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:15 pmProof now, that the administration’s debate is over as to whether an attack on Iran will take place; it’s come down to who goes first, Israel or the U.S.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:17 pmWake up all your friends and tell them that Cheney wants to attack IraN. Thanks to Seymour Hersh and Ray McGovern, the word is out. They both say the US will attack IraN before Bush leaves the WH. They also say there is nothing that can stop Cheney.
So now what to we do?
July 1st, 2008 at 6:18 pmAnd in the meantime our Congress sits idly by while the Bush Crime Family plans to either attack Iran or encourage Israel to do it so that we can enter the fight to “protect” Israel. Why are they not doing something now? They need to tell Bush and Cheney that if they either encourage Israel to attack Iran or do it themselves, it will be cause for immediate impeachment. Actually if they were really doing their job they would be initiating impeachment proceedings right now to prevent them from starting WWIII.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:21 pmjabberjaw @ 15
So what does that do to your “filthy bastard trying to drum up more no bid contracts for the corporate run so called war” argument?
Not much… that does add considerably to my ‘miserable SOB’s trying desperatly to hedge their bets and prevent investigation into their no bid contracts for the corporate run profit fest called war’ argument though.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:23 pmTweedledumb: Bush. Tweedledumber: Cheney. Tweedledumbest: McSame.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:23 pmPete,
I know. And the more I look into these NeoCon arseholes, the scarier they are. They all get someone else to do their dirty work for them, and it seems like they ALL make money off the results.
Like 2-legged cockroaches with no sacks or anything to carry in them.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:23 pmjabberjaw Says:
Defense contractors have donated as much to Obama as they have to McCain. $300,034 to $296,673, respectively. So what does that do to your “filthy bastard trying to drum up more no bid contracts for the corporate run so called war” argument?
I’m afraid your statistics don’t do anything for me. Not that you would notice, but there are some contractors out there who are loyal Americans. There are still some companies who aren’t jumping on the ‘get rich while Bush kills Americans’ bandwagon.
Besides KBR and Blackwater are already gourging themselves at your expense, and with your tax dollars. Got Retirement?
July 1st, 2008 at 6:26 pmAmazing to me to know that there are people in the US that so casually talk about “going to war” as if people’s lives are not involved. And not only in the US, but in this administration.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:29 pmYes upside, they can still do immeasurable damage. But?
When one looks at the history of totalitarians, they don’t have a very good chance of dying in bed from old age. Plus, there are strengths in our system that we have not yet brought into play.
I may be naive on this point, but, I think we can change course. It will take real honesty, patriotism, and sacrifice. And a whole lot of reflection on what our country has come to stand for.
Yet the signs are there. It seems like McCain is slipping in polls. Republicriminals are, almost universally, fairing poorly in Congressional races. Even Utah only managed a 10% turnout in their Republicriminal Senate primary.
The ship is sinking. The rats are fleeing. It’s up to all of us to ensure they continue the trend.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:38 pmCheney knows, with his heart condition, he’s not long for this world and he doesn’t give a damn about what happens to the rest of us.
If he can’t have it he doesn’t want anyone else to have it either.
That’s how greedy bastards think.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:39 pm… might as well steal their oil, we’ll get blamed for it anyways…
might as well imprison all Iranians indefinetly, it’s not like we won’t get accused of doing it anyhow…
might as well loot and pillage, they’ll compare us to Vikings and Crusaders or anybody…
I might throw up… the bastards are gonna do it any way, anyhow…
July 1st, 2008 at 6:42 pmIt goes the other way, too. If the US bombs Iran
then Israel (or the Jews) will be blamed.
If Iran starts a nuclear war, they will be blamed, but by then it will be too late. So we have to guess their intent from their public statements.
I’d like to believe Iran’s just blowing hot air to raise oil prices, but that sort of speculation isn’t reliable enough when megadeaths are at stake.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:45 pmjabberjaw Says:
My point has nothing to do with how much the defense contractors contribute to whom or what.. and besides I see not proof from your postas far as your numbers go.
My obvious point, very obvious to most, why not you, is the media cover up over 1. cheney wanting his war and 2. the LIES, and yes I left a link, going on and the corporate run media, also invested in defense protects these lies.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:46 pmerror
Post # 28 IS addressed to jabberjaw
July 1st, 2008 at 6:49 pmGod, I’d love to see Cheney’s fat ass riding the bomb away down out of the chute ala Slim Pickens.
July 1st, 2008 at 6:59 pmIt might also be constructive to ask Pakistan, India, Thailand and other countries downwind of the fallout that would contaminate several million square miles, how they feel about said contamination ruining their lovely countrysides.
Fu ckwads.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:00 pmRick Y Says:
It goes the other way, too. If the US bombs Iran
then Israel (or the Jews) will be blamed.
If Iran starts a nuclear war, they will be blamed, but by then it will be too late. So we have to guess their intent from their public statements.
I’d like to believe Iran’s just blowing hot air to raise oil prices, but that sort of speculation isn’t reliable enough when megadeaths are at stake.
Iran does not set the price of oil, world markets dictate the price. If Iran ’sabre rattles’, it is the speculators who earn the most money, not Iran. It is the speculators which increase the price by their bids; not the oil producers.
Also, Iran doesn’t have a bomb, and according to our government - not Bush and Cheney’s government, but our government - Iran won’t have the capacity for years. In that time, No. Korea would have built many more. I know N. Korea blew something up a few days ago, but being part of the ‘Axis of Evil’, you would have to believe they have hidden capabilities.
Bush’s message to the world was very clear: If you have a bomb, we will not bother you, in fact we will negotiate with you - just as Bush did with N. Korea. If you don’t have a bomb - but you have oil - then we will attack you and steal your property - just like Bush did with Iraq.
It’s so very simple, mainly because Bush is so very simple.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:02 pmOf course, Rick, Iran would need at least one nuclear weapon to “start a nuclear war”. There is no evidence they have, or will have, nuclear weapons. And, any attempt to produce one would require hundreds, or thousands, of times the ore necessary to refine nuclear fuel. We would certainly notice the hundreds, or thousands, of tons of ore being moved around. You can’t refine weapons grade nuclear material without a huge operation. They can’t carry it around in their pockets.
One little fact that our government seems unwilling to share is that it would be virtually impossible for a country to produce a nuclear weapon in secret. We knew that India was developing nukes. We knew Pakistan was developing nukes. We knew N. Korea was developing nukes.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:02 pm“Name your price” — NBC’s Richard Engel, Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent in response to Brian Williams on tonight’s broadcast.
Citing an unnamed oil expert he consulted, he noted that the barrel cost could increase to 300 or 400 dollars if Iran was attacked.
July 1st, 2008 at 7:06 pmRick Y Says:
I’d like to believe Iran’s just blowing hot air to raise oil prices, but that sort of speculation isn’t reliable enough when megadeaths are at stake.
You admit that this destabilizing hot air is meant to inflate oil prices, but you need a little work ID’ing your flaming Nazi gasbags… Cheney is the one who so deperatly wishes for a THIRD Bush war, not Iran. Cheney is the one working behind the scenes and in public to pursue war with Iran. I’d like to believe that CHENEY is just blpwing hot air but that sort of speculation flew out the window when megadeaths started happening in Iraq… our only hope is that spewing all this hot air means that Cheney needs to refuel over New Jersey
July 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pm“Bad hair day”? I worry more about aWol becoming blotchy again. Remember early in his administration when we called him “blotchy”? That’s when he is most dangerous.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:01 pmMcWars Says:
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“Name your price” — NBC’s Richard Engel, Chief Foreign Affairs Correspondent in response to Brian Williams on tonight’s broadcast.
Citing an unnamed oil expert he consulted, he noted that the barrel cost could increase to 300 or 400 dollars if Iran was attacked.
And GW Botch will love it…He will be dancin’ in his pants all night long!!!!!
He’s still a useless unAmerican!!
July 1st, 2008 at 8:15 pmWill the GOP ever stop playing into Bin Laden’s hand? Bin Laden must be chuckling to himself when he sees that Cheney is so willing to step into his trap. Bin Laden is praying for McCain to win the election and complete the destruction of the USA.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:27 pmI don’t know how it is I wasn’t aware of HR 362 until yesterday. Buchannon had mentioned it on a clip I watched. I just looked it up. This bipartisan bill is an Iran war resolution gift to Bush on a silver platter. Read it if you dare. Personally, I’m still shaking. Even though they state it is not a authorization for force, they give Bush all the tools a fool president might need to provoke one.
http://thomas.loc.gov/home/gpoxmlc110/hc362_ih.xml
July 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pmwhat Cheney says privately is, “we can’t let Israel go because, first of all, they don’t have the firepower, we do.
Would that be the same firepower that Defeated the Iraqi Insurgents with Shock and Awe?
Or how about the Israeli Firepower that defeated Hezbollah in Lebanon?
Or how about the Rolling thunder that defeated the Viet Cong?
Cheney is both Delusional and Dangerous, if he thinks “Firepower” is the answer to our problems in the Middle East.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pm…prohibiting the export to Iran of all refined petroleum products; imposing stringent inspection requirements on all persons, vehicles, ships, planes, trains, and cargo entering or departing Iran; and prohibiting the international movement of all Iranian officials not involved in negotiating the suspension of Iran’s nuclear program; and…
They are going to give Bush the authority to blockade Iran? Because that’s worked so well in the past. Iran may produce oil, but they have limited refining capacity and most gas must be imported. Is it just me? This entire document is insane.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pmLet’s ignore Hersh’s reputation (consider how Woodward has turned out) and his anonymously-sourced assertions and consider Andrea Mitchell’s question without him:
Mitchell: “But are we planning, is the United States planning military action — or is the United States planning to support Israeli military action?”
The PNAC identified Iran as ‘nearly the equivalent of Iraq” in its 1998 screed laying out the future of the US military, foreign policy and the need to secure middle eastern oil for the US by establishing bases primarily in Iraq which would be a lot easier to accomplish if, the PNAC members agreed, their plan could be kick-started by “another Pearl Harbor”.
Though Iraq has been a complete failure by any sane person’s standards as well as by the failure to meet all but one of the publicly declared “surge” benchmarks of the Bush administration, the fact remains that the US still has a presence in Iraq and bases there, albeit with marginal control and the option remains to exploit the foothold in pursuit of the neo-con dream. Iran is the next step on the PNAC’s ‘Road Map for the Middle East’ where the US controls by monetary, political and military means access to and exploitation of the majority of the world’s oil for the sole benefit of the US.
The Bush administration, pushed by the PNAC gang has been seriously agitating for military action against Iran for nearly two years now. Bush has called Iran a threat, the PNAC proxies have been featured in the press but the case they’ve been trying to make, even with Ahmedinijad’s rhetorical belligerence, has convinced no-one of note—not the US public, nor enough politicians, nor the money-men, nor US allies nor the UN. There is not only no ‘cover’ for the proposed action, there’s not enough support from those who pitched in for Iraq.
Sources other than Hersh suggest that the US has been planning for an assault on Iran for as long as the publicity campaign has been conducted.
Admiral Fallon who replaced General John Abizaid as CENTCOM Commander in 2007 was obliged to retire just a year later due to his opposition to belligerence against Iran whilst his underling General Petraeus (who despite losing $150 million of arms—some 300,000 of them by some estimates— as Commander of the MFN-I had been promoted for his fine work) stayed on due to his tireless promotion of the ‘Iranian threat”. Fallon has been replaced by Admiral Mullen, an ‘Iran-strike’ enthusiast. The theater commanders are thus on-board and there are two carrier groups in the Persian Gulf which aren’t there to support the Iraq effort in any meaningful way—they are just waiting for something to do.
Israel of course does whatever the hell it wants, it always has since the Six-Day War, whether the US publicly supports it or not. In private of course the US ALWAYS supports Israel. The month-long Israel Lebanon War of September 2006 where Israel punished the entire Lebanese nation for the kidnapping of a couple of soldiers by militants not only failed to draw even the mildest rebuke from the Bush administration (morally, how could it have done given the example of Iraq) but was actually extended by two weeks with US replenishing Israel with Cluster Bombs that were dropped on civilian areas as a matter of course.
On paper Israel has the ability to strike the nuclear facility at Natanz, thanks to newly delivered F-16Is with fuselage conformable fuel tanks that provide the required range (and they have Air-Refueling Tankers too, of course) without significantly reducing under-wing bomb-carrying capacity. It would appear Israel recently completed an exercise involving approximately 100 F-15’s (equipped with extend fuel FAST tanks) and F-16’s that mimicked the range required for an attack on Iran—impressive given that their most pressing enemies are Syria and Lebanon, right on their borders.
Israel also recently completed a strike deep within Syria, the target being a claimed nuclear facility that no international authority has been able to verify and that even the Israeli’s refused to discuss, despite the justification being the direct equivalent of the charge presently being made against Iran.
The significance of that “raid” (which was by anyone’s standards in fact an Act of War) was not the purported target but the fact that the IAF wasn’t even challenged by Syrian anti-aircraft defenses, which are sophisticated and extensive.
Iran happens to have much the same modern Russian-built TOR-1 SAM systems as the Syrians. However sources such as Global Security and Jane’s have reported that since the Syrian ‘raid’ Russian technicians have been conducting ‘maintenance’ on the Iranian equipment though it is unknown what that work entails—a fix to the TOR systems to prevent the re-occurrence of the apparent Syrian system failure perhaps?
Iran’s Air Force more than equals that which Israel might bring to bear in an attack (assuming the 100 used in the recent long-range exercise) numerically but in terms of contemporary inventory the Iranian’s would be at some disadvantage. However if their SAMs do in fact work (unlike the Syrian’s) and with the IAF at the end of their range with no loiter time over hostile territory the odds begin to even again. Some US assistance, at least in the form of AWACS or JOINTSTAR and/or E2-C Hawkeye would be helpful and better yet if F-18’s from the Carrier Groups just happened to be airborne at the time of an Israeli attack, well who knows what kind of “mistakes” might be made in the confusion of battle?
If Israel chooses to “go it alone” before January 20, 2009 I have little doubt that they would actually be “alone”. Rhetorical support from the US probably wouldn’t be enough for Israel to strike (they have that rhetorical support already in speeches and by precedence). Even if they can penetrate the Iranian SAM systems with impunity (as they did the Syrians’) they still face committing a large portion of their fighter and fighter/bomber force to the mission and with the Iranian’s having learned from the Osirak raid the IAF won’t be able to affect anything underground (where the important stuff is) and they face the prospect of some relatively significant losses without US help.
Of course though both the Israeli and US administrations have their own national excuses for a strike (actually an Act of War) the public discussion of “either the US or Israel” may well be utter nonsense. Bush and Cheney apparently promoted the scheme publicly first two years ago lately the idea may have been settled-upon in private as a joint operation where the only issue remaining would be precisely when it should occur—to be decided according to the respective local political situations.
Certainly Cheney and Bush have little to fear from the US public and the Democrats should they green-light an attack by the Israelis and command US forces to then ‘defend‘ their ally Israel. They will both be counting the beans regarding such an enterprise and we know this much—Cheney and the PNAC aren’t shy about using US resources and lives to further their personal ambitions, justify their existences and to fuel their fantasies; after all, it’s worked for the last 7 years, more in fact.
It;s not like CHeney and his PNAC cronies will be held accountable, is it? Besides, if they do get any heat they have places to retire to, like say Israel which doesn’t have an extradition treaty with the US, or Paraguay, or wherever money and influnece is valued above law and morality.
July 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pmOh and re my #42 comment? Instantly posted without moderation (for those who find the moderation apparently random, that’s what it seems to be–a bit random).
July 1st, 2008 at 8:59 pmAs with all politicians, I believe that Obama may be bought and sold (as with the previously-inspiring Pelosi, when she came in). But I think that the fact that he has so many usually-apathetic youth stepping up, and paying attention says a lot about the fact that people really ARE ready for this enigmatic change.
We have a year’s worth of storable food at home. I’m not so much a conspiracist (as much as an informed person, as it were) as I am a person who is not bed-wetting, like these percenters.
If the Iran thing happens…I’m pretty sure the excrement is going to hit the A/C.
July 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pmI am new here.Well not really.I have been lurking for many years reading.I do think its great the truth be told about what these people have done to us.The burning in hell comments hit close to home and they are great as are many many others.I don’t post much but I am here if you need me.
July 1st, 2008 at 9:40 pmAmazing how a 5 draft deferral coward is so cavalier to have others go to war. Cheney is truly a vile POS and I truly hope when the killer heart attack comes it hurts like a mother f_ucker and the icy grip of death takes its sweet time taking his carcass off this planet.
July 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pmUh..After Iran is attacked impeachment will be a little late.Its time here and now.At the very least censure them.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:05 pmgrmrpr…
Welcome. Don’t be shy. Despite having a faithful band of constant commenters, it’s not too ‘cliquey’ here. The most regular people IMHO do not dominate. I chip in when I think I have something to say, either hopefully amusing, or to be supportive of another’s particular argument but with either a caveat or additional argument, or to pontiificate at length on a particular subject that I think I know something about and am prepared to defend.
I’d say above all there’s no personal competiton here. The common theme is you don;t have to be brilliant, but don’t be stupid. You should know that already, but I’m just saying it. Don’t be a stranger. Cheers!
July 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pmwelcome, death dude! party on!
July 1st, 2008 at 10:26 pmgrmpr : After Iran is attacked impeachment will be a little late.Its time here and now.At the very least censure them.
Whether Iran is attacked or not impeacment proceedings should have begun as soon as the Nov, ‘06 elections were over, IMHO. However without an overwhelming majority in the Senate (which makes an impeahcment conviction ’stick’)there would have been no satisfactory result. That sias Pelos’s “impeachment is off the table” remark was politically and morally stupid and outrageous and unforgiveable in my view.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pmCensure just doesn’t cut it,not even symoolically ( actually ESPECIALLY because it would be purely symbolic), I’m hoping for straightforward criminal lawsuits after January 20, ince the DOJ has been restored to some professional order and COngress is settled.
snicks @44..
I have assembled what I like to call my “Paranoid Pack”. I shouldn’t need it at all, living so close to NYC but given how this nation has changed lately and whilst I had the money I decided “what the hell?”. I have two-eeks worth of survival kit–tent, M-3 medical kit, food. clothes, knifes, spades, almost all military spec. Sure, the 75 lb load is going to kill me, but someone fitter than I will be able to scavenge my body most effectively and all power to them—AND I’lld die with my military issue desert boots on! (WHich will be stolen too).
I’m not kidding though, I dropped two-grand to get kitted-out.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:44 pmI’m a student of the Stone Age, I can make tools out of rock and wood, tan hides without chemicals, and start a fire spinning one stick into another. The biggest challenge will be avoiding all the wackos with guns until their ammo runs out, fortunately they will pretty much eradicate themselves in the process.
July 1st, 2008 at 10:55 pmThen the rest of us can begin to get along and salvage what we can of civilization.
Thank you 5th Estate and Nevar for the welcome.I am hammered tonight after setting up all night last night pointing out lies and slamming neocons in our local news paper Campaign 2008 web,then going to work today.I did add my profile.But I will be back tomorrow.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:14 pmNevar @52… that’s jolly interesting. but can you make a kazoo out of a blade of grass? :)
OK, I’m off to bed. Goodnight.
July 1st, 2008 at 11:15 pmgood night, grmpr
July 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pm5th Estate Says:
Nevar @52… that’s jolly interesting. but can you make a kazoo out of a blade of grass? :)
July 1st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
I can! :D
Goodnight, 5th, excellent post #42.
July 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 ammore propaganda??? i guess soros wants a nuclear iran. the left would like to see a US demise. because hey everything all our fault righT?
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:08 amIsrael can invade and occupy a country that was being generous after WWII. Israel can have unaccountable nukes and nobody blinks an eye. Israel can destroy a country and move on to the next country.
I remember before the disasters Israel was trying to convince the US to help with their apartheid regime. It wasn’t until after the disasters that the US became involved.
Now congress has approved additional millions for Israel’s war. This doesn’t make us safer or brighter. Since when does our finest have duo citizenship with Israel?
July 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 amdrick23:
July 2nd, 2008 at 2:09 amI don’t intend any disrespect but are we suppose to take this seriously?
Jane E. Schneider Says:
5th Estate Says:
Nevar @52… that’s jolly interesting. but can you make a kazoo out of a blade of grass? :)
July 1st, 2008 at 11:15 pm
I can! :D
The leg bones of great blue herons make excellent whistles.
July 2nd, 2008 at 6:59 amWe could start a band!
:)
Maybe it’s part of Rove’s 30-year plan of GOP dominance. Obama gets elected in November, Bush bombs Iran in December, the M.E. becomes a cauldron, gas is $10+/gallon, the world economy goes into depression, terrorism increases. Bush leaves big pile of crap on the new president’s doorstep.
July 2nd, 2008 at 11:25 amPresident Obama immediately has an economic nightmare to deal with from Day 1, unlike the surplus that Bush inherited from his predecessor. President Obama and a Democratic majority end the tax cuts for the top 1%. The GOP blames them for “raising taxes” and enlists billionaire #3 Sheldon Adelson to fund every reactionary neocon who supports the extreme right wingers in Israel, thereby keeping the M.E. cauldron boiling until 2012.
The GOP blamed Bill Clinton for the 9/11 attacks. The GOP statute of limitations for Bush will end on 1/20/09. Everything that happens after inauguration will be blamed on President Obama.