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		<title>By: wizard2000</title>
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		<dc:creator>wizard2000</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 20:30:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;had enough Says:

I did not see the hidden fact that the

........reported counted dead US soldiers are of only those killed on Iraqi soil. Those that die en route to the hospital or after arriving, some sources have estimated 8 times as many,are not counted..........

Those that died during the Vietnam so called war were still being added to the Wall Memorial in the 1980’s&lt;/em&gt;

For some time I&#039;ve realized that the Bush administration has been under-counting Iraq War casualties...both dead and injured...both of our soldiers and of Iraqis.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>had enough Says:</p>
<p>I did not see the hidden fact that the</p>
<p>&#8230;&#8230;..reported counted dead US soldiers are of only those killed on Iraqi soil. Those that die en route to the hospital or after arriving, some sources have estimated 8 times as many,are not counted&#8230;&#8230;&#8230;.</p>
<p>Those that died during the Vietnam so called war were still being added to the Wall Memorial in the 1980’s</em></p>
<p>For some time I&#8217;ve realized that the Bush administration has been under-counting Iraq War casualties&#8230;both dead and injured&#8230;both of our soldiers and of Iraqis.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5068566', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Luis M</title>
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		<dc:creator>Luis M</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:07:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Nicky Says:
Who cares, we used propaganda in all wars. Heck the Dems used it in WW1 and 2. So what’s the big deal?
&lt;/em&gt;

Hey there, not everyone&#039;s grown accustomed to their collars like the good little dog that you are. Now go on and keep rolling in front of your masters, maybe they&#039;ll give you a treat or something.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Nicky Says:<br />
Who cares, we used propaganda in all wars. Heck the Dems used it in WW1 and 2. So what’s the big deal?<br />
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<p>Hey there, not everyone&#8217;s grown accustomed to their collars like the good little dog that you are. Now go on and keep rolling in front of your masters, maybe they&#8217;ll give you a treat or something.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067560', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: jaspatk1701</title>
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		<dc:creator>jaspatk1701</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 15:03:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well, more proof that this whole war has been run like the Soviets, Chinese and other totalitarians would, in a tradition of torture and killing, an overarching executive, and secrecy and blackouts – everything that we have always said we are better than.  From Chinese Communist torture methods, to suppressing the freedom of the speech and press, this administration continues to act in the ways it and its antecedents have always lambasted foreign powers for doing.  As a Vietnam vet and ardent defender of the Constitution, I must once again speak out about the blackout of seeing our war dead returned to us. To see life and war as it has really been waged,  coffins and all, including the role of malfeasance played by the top military brass, see my blog, http://www.wrathofmcgrath.com</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, more proof that this whole war has been run like the Soviets, Chinese and other totalitarians would, in a tradition of torture and killing, an overarching executive, and secrecy and blackouts – everything that we have always said we are better than.  From Chinese Communist torture methods, to suppressing the freedom of the speech and press, this administration continues to act in the ways it and its antecedents have always lambasted foreign powers for doing.  As a Vietnam vet and ardent defender of the Constitution, I must once again speak out about the blackout of seeing our war dead returned to us. To see life and war as it has really been waged,  coffins and all, including the role of malfeasance played by the top military brass, see my blog, <a href="http://www.wrathofmcgrath.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.wrathofmcgrath.com</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067550', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Klem Kiddilehopper</title>
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		<dc:creator>Klem Kiddilehopper</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:34:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;A Field Guide to Right-Wing Posers&quot;
 A guide to understand how and what these trolls are all about!
http://www.apfn.net/Messageboard/10-18-05/discussion.cgi.76.html</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;A Field Guide to Right-Wing Posers&#8221;<br />
 A guide to understand how and what these trolls are all about!<br />
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		<title>By: misshusseinmolly</title>
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		<dc:creator>misshusseinmolly</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:12:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tanqueray Says
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 am 
While you “looked death in the eye” in your Chevy, some of us were scraping our buddies off of the flora and fauna in S.E. Asia for another lie. A lie told by your sainted democrat party.
_______________________________________________

If you&#039;re expecting any kind of defense of the Vietnam conflict here, I suspect you&#039;ll be waiting a long time.

You see, we don&#039;t defend actions just because they were committed by somebody in our party, nor do we attack actions just because they were committed by somebody in the opposition party.  That&#039;s the shtick of the wingnuts.  We attack actions that are wrong, and defend actions that are right, regardless of who makes them.

However, I will say one thing.  Even though the Vietnam conflict was an abomination that cost over 58,000 American lives, the body count was never shielded from us.  Mangled bodies lying in rice paddies was pretty much a staple on the evening news.  Flag-draped coffins were omnipresent.  THAT&#039;S what&#039;s different between Vietnam and Iraq, and that&#039;s the point that&#039;s being made here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tanqueray Says<br />
July 3rd, 2008 at 12:45 am<br />
While you “looked death in the eye” in your Chevy, some of us were scraping our buddies off of the flora and fauna in S.E. Asia for another lie. A lie told by your sainted democrat party.<br />
_______________________________________________</p>
<p>If you&#8217;re expecting any kind of defense of the Vietnam conflict here, I suspect you&#8217;ll be waiting a long time.</p>
<p>You see, we don&#8217;t defend actions just because they were committed by somebody in our party, nor do we attack actions just because they were committed by somebody in the opposition party.  That&#8217;s the shtick of the wingnuts.  We attack actions that are wrong, and defend actions that are right, regardless of who makes them.</p>
<p>However, I will say one thing.  Even though the Vietnam conflict was an abomination that cost over 58,000 American lives, the body count was never shielded from us.  Mangled bodies lying in rice paddies was pretty much a staple on the evening news.  Flag-draped coffins were omnipresent.  THAT&#8217;S what&#8217;s different between Vietnam and Iraq, and that&#8217;s the point that&#8217;s being made here.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067202', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: hussein toasterhead</title>
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		<dc:creator>hussein toasterhead</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 13:03:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;Keith Says: 

The 1,200,000 figure is only the increase in violent Iraqi deaths. It does not include non-violent deaths such as due to unsafe water and lack of medicine and healthcare. One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five (1 in 4 in Afghanistan) and they are the second worst failed state in the world (Sudan #1).

July 3rd, 2008 at 12:03 am&lt;/i&gt;
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I don’t believe that’s true - the Lancet study included violent and non-violent causes of death in their casualty estimates. Non-violent deaths were but a small fraction of the total, but were included:

&lt;blockquote&gt;Three misattributed clusters were excluded from the final annalysis; data from 1849 households that contained
12 801 individuals in 47 clusters was gathered. 1474 births and 629 deaths were reported during the observation
period. Pre-invasion mortality rates were 5·5 per 1000 people per year (95% CI 4·3–7·1), compared with 13·3 per
1000 people per year (10·9–16·1) in the 40 months post-invasion. We estimate that as of July, 2006, there have been
654 965 (392 979–942 636) excess Iraqi deaths as a consequence of the war, which corresponds to 2·5% of the
population in the study area. Of post-invasion deaths, 601 027 (426 369–793 663) were due to violence, the most
common cause being gunfire.&lt;/blockquote&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>Keith Says: </p>
<p>The 1,200,000 figure is only the increase in violent Iraqi deaths. It does not include non-violent deaths such as due to unsafe water and lack of medicine and healthcare. One in eight Iraqi children die before the age of five (1 in 4 in Afghanistan) and they are the second worst failed state in the world (Sudan #1).</p>
<p>July 3rd, 2008 at 12:03 am</i><br />
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<p>I don’t believe that’s true &#8211; the Lancet study included violent and non-violent causes of death in their casualty estimates. Non-violent deaths were but a small fraction of the total, but were included:</p>
<blockquote><p>Three misattributed clusters were excluded from the final annalysis; data from 1849 households that contained<br />
12 801 individuals in 47 clusters was gathered. 1474 births and 629 deaths were reported during the observation<br />
period. Pre-invasion mortality rates were 5·5 per 1000 people per year (95% CI 4·3–7·1), compared with 13·3 per<br />
1000 people per year (10·9–16·1) in the 40 months post-invasion. We estimate that as of July, 2006, there have been<br />
654 965 (392 979–942 636) excess Iraqi deaths as a consequence of the war, which corresponds to 2·5% of the<br />
population in the study area. Of post-invasion deaths, 601 027 (426 369–793 663) were due to violence, the most<br />
common cause being gunfire.</p></blockquote>
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		<title>By: kasinca</title>
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		<dc:creator>kasinca</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:58:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Nicky Says: 
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Who cares, we used propaganda in all wars. Heck the Dems used it in WW1 and 2. So what’s the big deal?&lt;/em&gt;
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In WWI and WWII we were the good guys and it was called censorship.  Under the wars of the Bush Crime Family we are the aggressor and the bad guys and we use the same propaganda of the bad guys in years past.  There is a distinct difference to those who livied and loved and know what they are talking about.  Our democracy was founded with the belief that the fourth estate would keep the electorate informed to make intelligent decisions.  That runs contra to the beliefs of the backward knuckle dragging thugs of the current administration.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Nicky Says:<br />
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<p>Who cares, we used propaganda in all wars. Heck the Dems used it in WW1 and 2. So what’s the big deal?</em><br />
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<p>In WWI and WWII we were the good guys and it was called censorship.  Under the wars of the Bush Crime Family we are the aggressor and the bad guys and we use the same propaganda of the bad guys in years past.  There is a distinct difference to those who livied and loved and know what they are talking about.  Our democracy was founded with the belief that the fourth estate would keep the electorate informed to make intelligent decisions.  That runs contra to the beliefs of the backward knuckle dragging thugs of the current administration.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067178', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: A Patriot Acting</title>
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		<dc:creator>A Patriot Acting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:49:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m all for war crimes trials, impeachment and kicking the effing neocons out of our Country. That said, the next Administration along with NATO need to freeze the bank accounts of Blackwater, their CEO, Haliburton/KBR, their CEOs, the top Oil Cos, their CEOs, Dick Cheney, George Bush  and all their merry men under suspicion of collusion to create a war for profit. Just as suspected terrorist organization&#039;s assets were frozen it NEEDS to be done to all of these warmongering criminals. They need to be hit in the only place it will hurt them, their effing wallets. They intentionally caused all of our problems (financial and military)and should be made to pay. Use THAT money to begin to pay back our debt to China, send Bush, the neocons etal to Guantanamo for &quot;interrogations&quot;. I mean Jeezuz Christmas, they schemed to get us into Iraq so they could all get rich at the expense of the lives of our soldiers, a recession, weakened military, failing infastructure etc.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m all for war crimes trials, impeachment and kicking the effing neocons out of our Country. That said, the next Administration along with NATO need to freeze the bank accounts of Blackwater, their CEO, Haliburton/KBR, their CEOs, the top Oil Cos, their CEOs, Dick Cheney, George Bush  and all their merry men under suspicion of collusion to create a war for profit. Just as suspected terrorist organization&#8217;s assets were frozen it NEEDS to be done to all of these warmongering criminals. They need to be hit in the only place it will hurt them, their effing wallets. They intentionally caused all of our problems (financial and military)and should be made to pay. Use THAT money to begin to pay back our debt to China, send Bush, the neocons etal to Guantanamo for &#8220;interrogations&#8221;. I mean Jeezuz Christmas, they schemed to get us into Iraq so they could all get rich at the expense of the lives of our soldiers, a recession, weakened military, failing infastructure etc.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067176', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: celtic cynic</title>
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		<dc:creator>celtic cynic</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:21:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Take a look at the &lt;em&gt;Non Sequitur&lt;/em&gt; cartoon published today in your local newsrag or the internets. Rosie Outlook says it all.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Take a look at the <em>Non Sequitur</em> cartoon published today in your local newsrag or the internets. Rosie Outlook says it all.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067162', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Lynn Lightfoot</title>
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		<dc:creator>Lynn Lightfoot</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 12:04:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is anyone surprised by these revelations?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is anyone surprised by these revelations?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067152', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Evil Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:56:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>And Tanq also conveniently forgets that Eisenhower was already meddling in Vietnam far before JFK was nominated... funding 80% of the french war, backing the puppet dictator of the moment, who was conducting already mass killings... but of course, wars by proxy aren&#039;t wars if you&#039;re not directly involved, isn&#039;t? As the Iran-Contra, blessed by Saint Ray-Gun. Weapons for drugs. Killing brownies in both sides of the black scheme, how convenient.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And Tanq also conveniently forgets that Eisenhower was already meddling in Vietnam far before JFK was nominated&#8230; funding 80% of the french war, backing the puppet dictator of the moment, who was conducting already mass killings&#8230; but of course, wars by proxy aren&#8217;t wars if you&#8217;re not directly involved, isn&#8217;t? As the Iran-Contra, blessed by Saint Ray-Gun. Weapons for drugs. Killing brownies in both sides of the black scheme, how convenient.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067140', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Evil Spaniard</title>
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		<dc:creator>Evil Spaniard</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 10:29:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Tanqueray Says...&lt;/em&gt; foolish things. No wonder your nickname is the one of a &lt;a href=&quot;http://landingpage2.tanqueray.com/gatewaypage.htm?Lang=es&amp;BrandId=SO&amp;RefUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.tanqueray.com%2fTemplates%2fRedirectToUrlTemplate.aspx%3fNRMODE%3dPublished%26NRNODEGUID%3d%257b15D05D83-9560-4D7B-A41A-0FDB07F033F0%257d%26NRORIGINALURL%3d%252f%26NRCACHEHINT%3dGuest&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Gin&lt;/a&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Tanqueray Says&#8230;</em> foolish things. No wonder your nickname is the one of a <a href="http://landingpage2.tanqueray.com/gatewaypage.htm?Lang=es&amp;BrandId=SO&amp;RefUrl=http%3a%2f%2fwww.tanqueray.com%2fTemplates%2fRedirectToUrlTemplate.aspx%3fNRMODE%3dPublished%26NRNODEGUID%3d%257b15D05D83-9560-4D7B-A41A-0FDB07F033F0%257d%26NRORIGINALURL%3d%252f%26NRCACHEHINT%3dGuest" rel="nofollow">Gin</a><a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5067134', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe cantwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe cantwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 06:13:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;Tanqueray Says:

... &lt;strong&gt;some of us&lt;/strong&gt; were scraping our buddies off of the flora and fauna in S.E. Asia for another lie. A lie told by your sainted democrat party.&lt;/em&gt;

some of us

but not bush

he was busy getting

drunk in alabama.

laughing at you.

•

you need help

tanq.

we&#039;re here to help

you.

*

good luck.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>Tanqueray Says:</p>
<p>&#8230; <strong>some of us</strong> were scraping our buddies off of the flora and fauna in S.E. Asia for another lie. A lie told by your sainted democrat party.</em></p>
<p>some of us</p>
<p>but not bush</p>
<p>he was busy getting</p>
<p>drunk in alabama.</p>
<p>laughing at you.</p>
<p>•</p>
<p>you need help</p>
<p>tanq.</p>
<p>we&#8217;re here to help</p>
<p>you.</p>
<p>*</p>
<p>good luck.</p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
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		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:55:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Hey, 

ROGUE NATIONS will do what ROGUE NATIONS need to do to hide ANY and ALL evidence of maleficence... 

I mean, the cleansing only picked up to cover how many people were actually being detained. What was left of what bodies, bones and ashes only scratched the surface of Hitler&#039;s Regime.

Granted, &lt;em&gt;&lt;strong&gt;W&lt;/strong&gt;&lt;/em&gt;orst Bush is in a league of his own and is no where close to Hitler...
...But has America ever sunk this low where such comparisons can actually be argued...? 

I never thought I&#039;d live to see America become so... so... &lt;em&gt;U G L Y&lt;/em&gt;!

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<p>Hey, </p>
<p>ROGUE NATIONS will do what ROGUE NATIONS need to do to hide ANY and ALL evidence of maleficence&#8230; </p>
<p>I mean, the cleansing only picked up to cover how many people were actually being detained. What was left of what bodies, bones and ashes only scratched the surface of Hitler&#8217;s Regime.</p>
<p>Granted, <em><strong>W</strong></em>orst Bush is in a league of his own and is no where close to Hitler&#8230;<br />
&#8230;But has America ever sunk this low where such comparisons can actually be argued&#8230;? </p>
<p>I never thought I&#8217;d live to see America become so&#8230; so&#8230; <em>U G L Y</em>!</p>
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		<title>By: Daddy-O</title>
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		<dc:creator>Daddy-O</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:47:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Gasp!

&quot;Pentagon made ‘unprecedented’ effort to hide human cost of war&quot;? 

No one could have predicted! 

In case you&#039;re getting tired of that line...it will be applicable for all eternity. Sorry. That&#039;s what happens when a Bush is elected President.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Gasp!</p>
<p>&#8220;Pentagon made ‘unprecedented’ effort to hide human cost of war&#8221;? </p>
<p>No one could have predicted! </p>
<p>In case you&#8217;re getting tired of that line&#8230;it will be applicable for all eternity. Sorry. That&#8217;s what happens when a Bush is elected President.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5066898', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:21:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that should read &quot;wasted by ignorant, arrogant, fools...&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that should read &#8220;wasted by ignorant, arrogant, fools&#8230;&#8221;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5066886', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 05:07:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The mistakes of 45 years ago have little bearing on today. Why else would Bushco repeat them? If your alleged bio is true, and I don&#039;t ask for proofs since I make no claims, you should know the fundamental lesson of all &quot;small wars&quot;.

It&#039;s impossible to defeat private citizens on a field of battle. 

It was impossible for the Greeks, Romans, and Vikings. It was impossible for Germany and Japan. (Side note. If you have studied military history for 40 years you would realize that the civilians of occupied countries, especially China and the USSR, had much to do with the &quot;Allies&quot; winning.) Bushco has us pinned down in two occupations, just waiting for another Waterloo, or Stalingrad, or Tet. 

The best we can hope for is inglorious withdrawal, and no technical advantage, blessing from God, Order of the President, lust for revenge, or river of blood, will change the fact that we lost the second Bushco decided to invade.

That&#039;s not mumbo-jumbo. It&#039;s certainly not wishful thinking. That&#039;s an honest appraisal of what is, with a solid grounding in similar  disasters past. And it&#039;s a national tragedy that the blood of our finest is being wasted, again, by fools with no respect. The whole damn lot of you disgust me, nearly, beyond words.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The mistakes of 45 years ago have little bearing on today. Why else would Bushco repeat them? If your alleged bio is true, and I don&#8217;t ask for proofs since I make no claims, you should know the fundamental lesson of all &#8220;small wars&#8221;.</p>
<p>It&#8217;s impossible to defeat private citizens on a field of battle. </p>
<p>It was impossible for the Greeks, Romans, and Vikings. It was impossible for Germany and Japan. (Side note. If you have studied military history for 40 years you would realize that the civilians of occupied countries, especially China and the USSR, had much to do with the &#8220;Allies&#8221; winning.) Bushco has us pinned down in two occupations, just waiting for another Waterloo, or Stalingrad, or Tet. </p>
<p>The best we can hope for is inglorious withdrawal, and no technical advantage, blessing from God, Order of the President, lust for revenge, or river of blood, will change the fact that we lost the second Bushco decided to invade.</p>
<p>That&#8217;s not mumbo-jumbo. It&#8217;s certainly not wishful thinking. That&#8217;s an honest appraisal of what is, with a solid grounding in similar  disasters past. And it&#8217;s a national tragedy that the blood of our finest is being wasted, again, by fools with no respect. The whole damn lot of you disgust me, nearly, beyond words.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5066876', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Brain From Planet Arous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brain From Planet Arous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:41:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looking at the world we live in as Reverse Logic or Bizarro World helps, and if in any way, can ease the torment the corporatists, war mongers, torturers, and fundamentalists, have wrought. 

War is a racket, and we are being brainwashed to accept a skin-head, military culture as normal. Just look at all the SUVs, Jeeps, and Hummers around. Ugly, Fat-ass vehicles being driven in Florida and Southern California. War Games being played by hypnotized children. One of the reasons of the Hatred of the 1960s is the fact that society stared down the military culture, and for one bright shining moment, won the contest. Laziness and a Zionist/Military media changed that, and now people do not know the difference between waving a flag and the Constitution.

Maybe these So-Called Bible Thumping christians should look at the Real Deal.

&lt;a href=&quot;http://essenecx.netfirms.com/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;&lt;/a&gt;

http://essenecx.netfirms.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looking at the world we live in as Reverse Logic or Bizarro World helps, and if in any way, can ease the torment the corporatists, war mongers, torturers, and fundamentalists, have wrought. </p>
<p>War is a racket, and we are being brainwashed to accept a skin-head, military culture as normal. Just look at all the SUVs, Jeeps, and Hummers around. Ugly, Fat-ass vehicles being driven in Florida and Southern California. War Games being played by hypnotized children. One of the reasons of the Hatred of the 1960s is the fact that society stared down the military culture, and for one bright shining moment, won the contest. Laziness and a Zionist/Military media changed that, and now people do not know the difference between waving a flag and the Constitution.</p>
<p>Maybe these So-Called Bible Thumping christians should look at the Real Deal.</p>
<p><a href="http://essenecx.netfirms.com/" rel="nofollow"></a></p>
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		<title>By: pete</title>
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		<dc:creator>pete</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:23:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My statement stands troll. My first car was a 63 Chevy Biscayne with 31,000 miles. And a miserable pup is a miserable pup whether he wears shorty-pants or depends. Go rent a conscience.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My statement stands troll. My first car was a 63 Chevy Biscayne with 31,000 miles. And a miserable pup is a miserable pup whether he wears shorty-pants or depends. Go rent a conscience.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5066836', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: joe cantwell</title>
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		<dc:creator>joe cantwell</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 03 Jul 2008 04:07:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;em&gt;kasinca Says:
Trolls like Tanq will praise cowards like Dubya and Cheney and chastise a man who actually showed up and served like John Kerry…go figure what kind of people are in that 23%tile that never wavers and always stands up for the cause. Brown Shirts, Brown boots and orders from a lard assed, drug addled gas bag.&lt;/em&gt;

maybe.

on the other hand

maybe tanq had a pimple

on his heinie that was so

painful he couldn&#039;t fight.

think about that.

•

good luck.

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><em>kasinca Says:<br />
Trolls like Tanq will praise cowards like Dubya and Cheney and chastise a man who actually showed up and served like John Kerry…go figure what kind of people are in that 23%tile that never wavers and always stands up for the cause. Brown Shirts, Brown boots and orders from a lard assed, drug addled gas bag.</em></p>
<p>maybe.</p>
<p>on the other hand</p>
<p>maybe tanq had a pimple</p>
<p>on his heinie that was so</p>
<p>painful he couldn&#8217;t fight.</p>
<p>think about that.</p>
<p>•</p>
<p>good luck.</p>
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