Baghdad’s relative calm ’shattered’ by violent attacks.
By on Jul 7th, 2008 at 2:27 pm
Baghdad’s relative calm ’shattered’ by violent attacks.
Yesterday, a “wave of attacks in Baghdad and areas north of the capital…shattered a relative lull in violence, killing 16 people and injuring 15.” The attacks came just one day after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki declared that his government had “defeated” terrorism in Iraq. Today, a female suicide bomber “killed nine people and wounded 12 others in an attack on an Iraqi market.”
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Nouri al-Maliki’s government may have defeated terrorism, but they sure are getting their asses whupped by hubris and irony.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pmal-Maliki is a republican? He lies and makes baseless gradiose statements, so he must be a republican. I hear there’s a used ‘mission accomplished’ banner available. They could hang it in the market.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pmMalaki wants us to set a timetable to get our asses out of that God forsaken country; but the US says no. We will only leave when we think the situation ‘on the ground’ says we can leave.
Whose country is it anyway? First, we can’t leave because it is so dangerous. Next we can’t stay because we are recruiting many new jihadists to fight us. Next, the soverign government in Iraq (remember the purple fingers?) says we can go, but the US says we must stay.
So, should we stay or should we go now? Apologies to the Clash.
We really have no intention of leaving – ever.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:39 pmAny comment rogerse, blabbermouth?
July 7th, 2008 at 2:39 pm.
But, but, but…
The surge is working!
.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:41 pmedschultz is talking about reports that maliki wants a time-line
for US withdrawal…
ed’s headline: “maliki disagrees with mcSAME’s position”
July 7th, 2008 at 2:46 pmSo – is Al Qaeda or Al Sadr behind this?
Several weeks ago Al Sadr issued a threat that he had reorganized the JAM and they were going to go on the offensive, though he said it would be against US forces. I guess sending a female suicide bomber into a cosmetics shop is just a tad easier.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:47 pmWhat strange logic the repugs employ.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:53 pmWars on ‘nouns’ cannot be won (e.g. our current wars on homelessness, drugs, and now terror, etc.). What a base mentality these repugs enforce.
In reality, root causes must be identified and dealt with in sophisticated ways if the greater issues listed above are ever to be fixed.
Using the military, more specifically a ’surge’ in Iraq to defeat terrorism is like using a chainsaw during brain surgery. Just as messy, deadly, and ultimately counter-productive. Dont believe me? Use Al-Qaeda recruitment as a meter.
F U BUSH
a female suicide bomber “killed nine people and wounded 12 others in an attack on an Iraqi market.
There’s been an increase in female suicide bombers driven in large part out of despair from losing their husbands/brothers/uncles etc. to suicide bombings and capture. But not to worry, the surge is working.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
July 7th, 2008 at 2:55 pmMission Accomplished, anyone??
July 7th, 2008 at 2:55 pmTracy5 Says:
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Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
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July 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pmYou aren’t talking about 911 are you?
Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki to Bush: “Get out of Iraq and take Al-Qaeda with you.”
July 7th, 2008 at 2:59 pmStratRat Says:
We really have no intention of leaving – ever.
And that is true whether Obama wins in November or not. He is moving to the center on Iraq very quickly. It is smart politics, it is a real defining issue between him and McCain, and once he eliminates that difference it comes down to a personal style comparison between he and McCain, which Obama wins all day long.
Watch for O’s position on Iraq to shift hard after he returns from his Iraq trip.
The real question is, once he wins, will his policy be the position of the Democratic primary or the General election? Impossible to say.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:02 pmI also noted that the number of American deaths in Iraq went from 4113 to 4116 this weekend and I didn’t see any news of that – I shouldn’t be surprised, but the media is simply not doing their job, as they report endlessly about a flying jerk who attached balloons to a lawn chair – but no reporting real news, McCain’s flip-flops and non support of the GI bill, his totally ridiculous and implausible budget plan, and Bush’s latest — he greeted the Canadian PM today — “Yo, Harper!”
July 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pmAnother proud day for Americans.
Tracy5fingers Says:
Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
What media?
July 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pmWhat frenzy?
Am I missing something?
Tracy5 Says:
Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
Amazing how someone so stupid can remember to breath.
Please go away until you learn some reading comprehension.
…a “wave of attacks in Baghdad and areas north of the capital…
Link
July 7th, 2008 at 3:10 pmDRxJ Says:
Tracy5fingers Says:
Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
What media?
What frenzy?
Am I missing something?
Tracy thinks that a “wave of attacks” is just one attack. He also thinks that one story constitutes a “media frenzy”.
Eight years of hanging on every word from George W. Bush will really hurt your perspective on reality.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:14 pmTracy5 Says:
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“You aren’t talking about 911 are you?”
“Perhaps the unsolved anthrax attacks?”
What is the topic of this thread?
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July 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pmLook my friend, you laid your own trap we didn’t. I believe the topic is kust what it says Baghdad’s relative calm shattered by violent attackS.
Tracy,
July 7th, 2008 at 3:17 pmI don’t know where you live, but here, it is very early to be drunk already.
Isn’t it funny that every day I read news reports of the multiple attacks across Iraq, and each story contains the phrase, “shattered a relative lull in violence”.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:20 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Tracy is huffing gasoline again.
Oh, I thought he was sniffing Bush’s butthole again.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:23 pmHi Tracy5. Is it just me. When I read this I sort of see someone trying to outrun their own statements
July 7th, 2008 at 3:33 pmActually, I usually just see one report in the Chicago Tribune every morning, a couple of paragraphs, back somewhere around page 15, and it always starts, “The relative calm in Iraq was shattered today…”.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:33 pmTracy,
When is any violence too much? Especially when we are at the root of it?
Or don’t you give a sh!t about the Iraqi people?
July 7th, 2008 at 3:34 pmTracy5 Says:
“Oh, I thought he was sniffing Bush’s butthole again.”
How old are you?
Old enough to know better than to be fooled by a bunch of lying, bloodthirsty, corrupt, totalitarians over and over and over and over again.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:36 pmupside99 Says:
Tracy,
When is any violence too much? Especially when we are at the root of it?
Or don’t you give a sh!t about the Iraqi people?
Didn’t you know? Tracy has vast holdings of oil corporation stocks. That’s the only thing he cares about. He’s a Republican, motto “Everyone else can go fu(k themselves.”
July 7th, 2008 at 3:39 pmshoeless Says:
Thanks Shoeless, I remember now, from either AZ of NM, real soulless wanker.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:42 pmHey, is Tracy5fingers the racist architect from Texas who just happens to have “black” friends?
And does Tracy5fingers normally not make any sense? And when cornered, Tracy5fingers changes directions?
July 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pmupside99 Says:
When is any violence too much? Especially when we are at the root of it?
Or don’t you give a sh!t about the Iraqi people?
Upside, in fairness, I don’t think you can call the attacks described at the header the fault of the US. It was Iraqi on Iraqi violence.
Yes, when Saddam was in charge, you didn’t see such things for the most part. And yes, I suppose we could debate whether Iraq in 2002 was better off than Iraq in 2008, though I myself think the monstrosity of Saddam’s regime gets short shrift, in general. It is hard to measure which you should fear more, random bombings or a secret police that strips you of all of your civil liberties. The question is too abstract for us living here to really grasp, IMHO.
My overall point is, if you have groups of people willing to blow themselves up just to create chaos and kill as many total strangers as they can, is there a way for any military to completely stop that? I am thinking it is not possible short of exercising the kind of genocidal tactics Saddam did.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:44 pmTracy is an enigma wrapped in a mystery. He says that he is against corporate welfare, yet he rejoices when the US government spends trillions of dollars and gets tens of thousands of American service people killed and horribly maimed in order to help out the oil corporation stocks in his portfolio.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:44 pmKeltoi,
So what is your call here? That we should leave or stay for a hundred years or so.
And, yes, I believe we caused it by invading and occupying their country. And there were no AQI before we did that either.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:46 pmKeltoi Says:
My overall point is, if you have groups of people willing to blow themselves up just to create chaos and kill as many total strangers as they can, is there a way for any military to completely stop that? I am thinking it is not possible short of exercising the kind of genocidal tactics Saddam did.
650,000 Iraqis have died since Bush first began his “Shock and Awe”. Remember all the pretty lights on TV that day.
If that isn’t genocide, what is?
July 7th, 2008 at 3:49 pmDRxJ Says:
Hey, is Tracy5fingers the racist architect from Texas who just happens to have “black” friends?
Actually, one of Tracist’s best friends is black, and Tracist doesn’t even see color!
It’s just another enigma of the mysterious Tracist.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:53 pmWhat the Hell is ‘relative’ calm?
I was at the relatives for the Holiday, but it wasn’t calm.
Was it a ‘relative’ invasion? A ‘relative’ bombing? WTF?
Talking to Trolls is like trying to put lipstick on KKKarl.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:55 pmupside99 Says:
So what is your call here? That we should leave or stay for a hundred years or so.
Well, taken in context, the hundred year comment assumed peaceful conditions for the most part ala Germany, Japan, etc. It is a very open question whether such conditions can ever exist. But another 100 years of the current situation is untenable, though our casualties have declined dramtically of late. Again, watch Obama reference this fact soon as a way of justifying his shift to the right on Iraq policy.
And, yes, I believe we caused it by invading and occupying their country. And there were no AQI before we did that either.
If you were to compare the number of Iraqi civillians killed by the US as opposed to “insurgents” (AQI, JAM, etc), surely you would agree our enemy has killed far more Iraqis than we?
And yes, there was no AQI before we got there, but there is also no longer a totalitarian apparatus of oppression in place, either. The Kurds no longer look South in fear of the Iraqi army coming for them; Israel no longer is under the shadow of SCUD attacks; basic food and medicine is no longer denied the Iraqi people because of UN sanctions; Kuwait and Saudi Arabia no longer fear invasion.
I am not trying to put a smiley face on Iraq, the only periods of peace that F–ed up piece of land has known is when it was under the thumb of brutal repression either foreign or domestic, but again, I think calling the bombings in the market places our fault goes too far, or at least oversimplifies a complex situation.
July 7th, 2008 at 3:58 pmshoeless Says:
650,000 Iraqis have died since Bush first began his “Shock and Awe”. Remember all the pretty lights on TV that day.
If that isn’t genocide, what is?
Even assuming that figure is correct, which I and the United Nations do not accept, who has killed those people? And why?
Who has killed more Iraqis, the US or AQI and domestic militias?
If we wanted to utilize the tactics of Saddam to cow the Iraqis into submission, Fallujah would be a smoking crater in the dessert. THAT is how Saddam operated.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:01 pmTracy5:
July 7th, 2008 at 4:11 pmIs that the topic of this thread or do you only like that line when you need to dodge your own statements?
Keltoi Says:
shoeless Says:
650,000 Iraqis have died since Bush first began his “Shock and Awe”. Remember all the pretty lights on TV that day.
If that isn’t genocide, what is?
Even assuming that figure is correct, which I and the United Nations do not accept, who has killed those people? And why?
Who has killed more Iraqis, the US or AQI and domestic militias?
And those organizations were not operating in Iraq before Bush’s invasion and occupation, were they?
Look, it was none of our freaking business! Can you get that through your guilt hazed mind? Their blood is on your hands. You will never begin to come to peace with your guilt until you admit that you were wrong to support Bush’s genocidal war.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pmKeltoi says:
If we wanted to utilize the tactics of Saddam to cow the Iraqis into submission, Fallujah would be a smoking crater in the dessert. THAT is how Saddam operated.
well, Keltoi, that is actually what we did in many cases in Vietnam; we had to destroy the vill to save it, or we moved everyone into relocation camps and blew the sh!t out of their homes and lands and shot them if they tried to return.
My Lei was not an isolated incident either, and over 400 women and children and old men were massacred there.
So, I don’t see all that much difference between Saddam and the US, if you are using those comparisons.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:13 pmZimzone
July 7th, 2008 at 4:14 pmRelative calm is what occurs in Baghdad between bombings. What the hell does that phrase mean any more when they use it every day?
Relative to what? The silence of retrieving the bodies? Relative to the wailing of griefstricken relatives? Relative to the bulls!it coming from the White House and the Pentagon?
Can we please not converse with Tracy.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:15 pmIf we wanted to utilize the tactics of Saddam to cow the Iraqis into submission, Fallujah would be a smoking crater in the dessert. THAT is how Saddam operated.
And the use of WP?
War crime? You betcha. No difference, from the perspective of a dead Iraqi.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:19 pmIraqi government wants timetable for US withdrawal. And they say troops, not combat troops:
http://enews.earthlink.net/article/int?guid=20080707/487194c0_3ca6_1552620080707-1017090911
July 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pmThe trolls are especially delusional today. With Tracy5, Supreme, etc… we have the exact representation of the Low Information Voter (LIV). All words and phrases, no facts or useful information. Just talking points which have been debunked ages ago – but they keep trying. They keep failing, but the keep trying – how very Rovian of them.
Its what happens when you show up to a debate unarmed and unprepared.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pmIf we leave quickly, do you think that “peace” will reign in Iraq?
Whatever happens it will be their problem, as it always was, and always shall be. We’re merely standing in the way of letting them sort it out for themselves. You don’t really believe the Sunnis and Shia are disarmed do you? They’re biding their time, until we leave.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pmupside99 Says:
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Keltoi says:
If we wanted to utilize the tactics of Saddam to cow the Iraqis into submission, Fallujah would be a smoking crater in the dessert. THAT is how Saddam operated.
well, Keltoi, that is actually what we did in many cases in Vietnam; we had to destroy the vill to save it, or we moved everyone into relocation camps and blew the sh!t out of their homes and lands and shot them if they tried to return.
My Lei was not an isolated incident either, and over 400 women and children and old men were massacred there.
So, I don’t see all that much difference between Saddam and the US, if you are using those comparisons.
Whoa – different time, different place, my friend. Bringing Vietnam into this thread only muddies the water. I never said America hasn’t done terrible things in war, I am just saying this bombing is tough to pin on us.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:27 pmThe 655,000 figure is old. It is estimated at over 1,200,000 now.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:28 pmThe over 1,200,000 deaths is the increase since our invasion. It is the figure OVER the death rate that was under Saddam.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:31 pmAny discussion of the US leaving Iraq must be prefaced by the fact that it was Bush’s ignorance and arrogance which put us there in the first place. If our trolls would simply acknowledge that we are only trying to leave a place we shouldn’t have been, then we could get somewhere. Bush invaded this country and the trolls can’t accept that Bush did something wrong.
Their reverance for King Bush is clear. All this stuff about democracy and such is confusing and too cluttered for them, so they wish for a simpler solution: appoint a King. The King can do no wrong, and we must do what the King says. Very easy, very simple, very unAmerican – but they are the GOP. That makes them unqualified to speak about America on any level, and on any topic.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:31 pmshoeless Says:
Shoeless, can you address any of the positive effects Saddam’s removal had as listed at #51? And can you answer – honestly – the simple question of who has killed more Iraqis?
Before the invasion, Saddam was the terrorist running the country. Since then, AQI and JAM have chosen to fight us while using Iraqis as human shields or just plain blowing them up.
My mind is not “guilt hazed”, BTW, but thanks for the concern.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:34 pmTracy5 Says:
What is the topic of this thread?”
The multiple links I provided pointing out the “media frenzy”.
Um, what multiple links? I’ve just scanned the thread twice, and if they’re posted,it must be on another blog.
Perhaps the one in your mind…
July 7th, 2008 at 4:37 pmKeltoi and Tracy, I could have told you that our invasion and occupation would have resulted in such violence. I would not have been ignorant or lying like the Bush administration. Over 60% of Iraqis approve of attacks on US troops.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:37 pmYou keep talking about the violence under Saddam (like you really care about someone’s well-being on the other side of the globe)—but the figure of 1,200,000 Iraqi deaths is an INCREASE over and above the killing that was taking place under Saddam.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:40 pmBefore the invasion, Saddam was the terrorist running the country. Since then, AQI and JAM have chosen to fight us while using Iraqis as human shields or just plain blowing them up.
My mind is not “guilt hazed”, BTW, but thanks for the concern.
It should be, if you have any humanity or humility in you.
You are responsible, by voting for a bloodthirsty cowboy.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:41 pmKeith Says:
Keltoi and Tracy, I could have told you that our invasion and occupation would have resulted in such violence. I would not have been ignorant or lying like the Bush administration. Over 60% of Iraqis approve of attacks on US troops.
Exactly…If Bush, Cheney, Rove, Rumsfeld, Ashcroft, etc…hadn’t branded everyone unpatriotic (a tactic right out of a Nazi playbook) who disagreed with them, and we had a functional media; all would have known the truth. The GOP played on the fears of a weakened populace to rape the treasury and reshape the republican criminal enterprise to a permanant majority – or so they thought. Still, reading some of the posts, it appears some here are still hanging onto those well-debunked tactics of fear and devotion to Bush. Sad for them.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pmI do not see a single link provided by Tracy.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:44 pmAnyway, these conservatives who cry about what might happen when we leave are hypocrites, and they know it. They cheered as we killed thousands of Iraqis, because they thought it would make america safer, yet now, we are more hated by the international community than ever before.
Some safety.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:45 pmTracy was lying about the links he provided.
Big surprise, eh?
July 7th, 2008 at 4:46 pmTracy is a he?
July 7th, 2008 at 4:48 pmI’m guessing, from the fake-manly tone, that he’s male – but a man? I don’t think so…
July 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pmDon’t bother responding to tracy until he apologizes for lying.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:52 pmThe CIA put Saddam in power–not liberals. Carter made it illegal to trade with Iraq. Reagan immediately opened up trade with Iraq. Reagan/GHWBush/Rumsfeld strongly supported Saddam.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:52 pmKeith Says:
Tracy is a he?
It doesn’t matter. All of our trolls are interchangeable. Names don’t mean much when your words make no sense. The trolls are the bottom feeding, last gasp 20%r’s trying to hang onto the republican dream of power and relevance. All their self-confidence and self-worth come from agreeing with Limbaugh, hannity, Oreilly, beck, Coulter, Kristol, etc…All their feelings of ‘belonging’ are tied to their acceptance of the neocon lie. It is all they have left, and it scares the life out of them.
It must suck standing on the sinking ship known as the GOP. It’s pretty funny from where I stand.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:53 pmLiberals like a government “of the People”—not an imperial presidency. I opposed The Patriot Act which placed government into the daily lives of people.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:54 pmKeith Says:
You keep talking about the violence under Saddam (like you really care about someone’s well-being on the other side of the globe)—
I don’t but you do. Right, good, logical debating there.
but the figure of 1,200,000 Iraqi deaths is an INCREASE over and above the killing that was taking place under Saddam.
If the figure were accurate you’d have a point, but it isn’t so you don’t. Since the Progressives are always going on about how the UN is the alpha and omega of international legitimacy, I will go with their count which is far, far less.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:55 pmAnd I don’t think conservatives really want to be discussing Saddam, given the fact that it was their greed, and politcal cowardice that got us embroiled in Iraq in the first place.
Selling weapons to both sides of the Iran/Iraq war – and then crying about all the dead “killed by Saddam,” decades later – as if their hands were clean.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pmThanks, Strat, remember what your wife said and don’t stay out too late!
July 7th, 2008 at 4:56 pmTracy5fingers Says:
Apparently that valid news links I provided by the seattletimes, monstersandcritics, abcnews, the boston globe, yahoonews, and buffalonews are awaiting moderation by TP. Go figure.
Ah HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!
Stop it. You’re killing me!
July 7th, 2008 at 4:57 pmTracy5 Says:
Apparently that valid news links I provided by the seattletimes, monstersandcritics, abcnews, the boston globe, yahoonews, and buffalonews are awaiting moderation by TP. Go figure.
Which you should have checked before crow about it. Another archetypical conservative fault: intellectual laziness.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pmTracy5 spit something out which sounded like
Liberals, like yourself worship at the alter of government (i.e. very close to a King) so to say that conservatives can’t speak for America is total BS.
You are unworthy of my time and my energy. You are even more unworthy of the electrons necessary to move these typed words onto the space of a blog. You are so unworthy of anything having to do with a human event, it seems silly even contemplating just how unworthy you truly are.
Your life is nowhere, we get it. Your life has no meaning, except for the time you spend here, we get that too. You have very, very little with regard to material goods or frienships which might keep you more balanced, we get that. These are reasons for us to feel sorry for you, they don’t give you any license to move air through your pie hole.
July 7th, 2008 at 4:59 pmThe British Defense Minister said the methodology of the Johns Hopkins/Lancet study was sound and robust. It has been used for many years and never questioned before. It was used for the 2004 tsunami and the Rwandan genocide.
Since you hate the UN, you will go by what they say? That makes a lot of sense!
July 7th, 2008 at 5:00 pmKeith Says:
Thanks, Strat, remember what your wife said and don’t stay out too late!
I remember that. That was a while ago, no? I still stay out late, anyway – what is she gonna do? Cheers to you.
July 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pmThe Iraqi morgues weren’t overflowing before our invasion as they were after our invasion. About a year ago, it was said the majority of deaths in Iraq were caused by strikes from bombers, jets, and helicopters—only the US has these—not the insurgents.
The 16 intelligence agencies of the USA have said our invasion has made the Middle East and US less safe.
July 7th, 2008 at 5:05 pmwhat is she gonna do?
I dunno—get less satisfaction?
July 7th, 2008 at 5:07 pmSo the links, eventhough they state what TP’s Washington Post link says make it subject to TP’s moderation police patrol?
For all I know, it’s only occuring inside that dank pit you call a brain.
Proof?
July 7th, 2008 at 5:09 pmTracy5 Says:
“You are unworthy of my time and my energy.”
Yes, I know that you being a liberal snob is hard work.
Pffft!
July 7th, 2008 at 5:14 pmTracy5 sez:
Why is everything relative with you guys?
Tracy5 also sez:
Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
Would more attacks have justified a ‘frenzy?’
July 7th, 2008 at 5:16 pmHow much reporting makes a ‘frenzy?’
Hey, it just occured to me: Our troll Stacey, can read. Who could have anticipated the failure of homeschooling?
July 7th, 2008 at 5:18 pmKeith, I will assume the best of you and your intentions as far as this numbers debate goes. I don’t really have a dog in the fight, but I would suggest NO ONE knows how many have died in Iraq.
I feel like this link
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2008/mar/19/iraq
provides a good discussion of the various estimates, their methodologies and their motivations. It is easy to pick the number that fits your narrative and call it the conclusive number. I am not doing that, I hope you aren’t, either.
The Lancet numbers are and always have been the outlier of this particular debate.
As far as my hating the UN, I never said that, first off. But I do find it amusing that when what they say is something you agree with – like, Iran isn’t trying to build nuclear weapons – their word is gold. But when their stats don’t agree with your perspective you ignore them.
July 7th, 2008 at 5:18 pmKeltoi,
July 7th, 2008 at 5:23 pmThe USA’s NIE says Iran has not done anything regarding nuclear weapons for the past four years.
Why do I get the feeling that you actually get e-mails from your pals informing you that I am on certain threads?
Okay, now that’s paranoia!
July 7th, 2008 at 5:26 pmIf sixteen people in the US got blown up by a bomb—-would that NOT be in the news. If quite a few outlets mentioned it—would that be a FRENZY?
July 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pmTracy reminds me of the ol’ wise owl in that Tootsie Pop commercial…
Kid- ‘Mr. Tracy, how many links until we get to the center of a media ‘frenzy?’
Tracy5- ‘Let’s find out… One… Two… Three… Four… Five… Six CRUNCH/CRASH/tinkle,tinkle… SIX!’
July 7th, 2008 at 5:30 pmNettles, do you also have hidden guilt about voting into office those responsible for the needless, counter-productive killing of a million innocent civilians.
July 7th, 2008 at 5:31 pmTracy5 Says:
“Pffft!”
Isn’t that “sniff, sniff!”?…or is the same thing?
Your moment in the sun is over, your fifteen minutes of fame had elapsed. You got to play with the grown ups for a little while.
Pfft!
July 7th, 2008 at 5:46 pmAnd there were bombings in Karachi, Islamabad, and Kabul, too today. We’re gonna have trouble controlling every inch of the planet Earth.
July 7th, 2008 at 6:05 pmTracy,
July 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pmTracy,
July 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pmTracy,
July 7th, 2008 at 6:37 pmWhoops, apologies all…
Tracy,
Is it Monday morning quarterbacking if you opposed the play as it was called, refused to participate in the play, marched to oppose the play’s selection and then after listening to hours of color commentary about how “no one could have anticipated that the play would result in a fumble, a safety and the death of the entire offensive line” you pipe up and say, ‘I anticipated it and I was against it.’
How much advanced disapproval do you need before it isn’t ‘Monday-Morning Quarterbacking?’
July 7th, 2008 at 6:44 pmThe advanced disapproval should only come after the game is finished not prior to. It’s kinda kin to those criminal oil speculators who drive up the price way to far based on what they think will happen in the future.
???
So I’m not a Monday Morning Quarterback?
July 7th, 2008 at 6:57 pmOr I should hold my critiscm until you say the game is over… even though bush is down by 9 and still running out the clock?
Bush called a crappy play Tracy, and what’s more he left one game as we were on the cusp of winning it to execute the play…
July 7th, 2008 at 7:03 pmand then stopped paying any real attention to both games…
and people are dying, Tracy. Dying because he’s lost interest in one ‘game’ and can’t figure out that he’s being ‘played’ in the other… Time to take that Quarterback out of the ‘game’ if you ask me, Tracy.
Keith Says:
If sixteen people in the US got blown up by a bomb—-would that NOT be in the news.
Tracist doesn’t care about 16 people getting blown up in Iraq. To him it’s just collateral damage in the quest to improve the price of his oil company stocks. Besides, they were all brown people.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:38 pmNo, the play was not executed correctly.
What would have achieved ’sucess’ Tray? Listening to the recomendations of Shinseki on troop levels?
Listening to the recomendations of the Iraq Study Group?
Turning the power back on?
Preventing the looting?
Not allowing Bremer to be Bremer?
It’s a poor workman who blames his tools and a worse President who blames his troops…
You actually think the capturing bin Laden would have “ended” the game?
Might not have clinched it, but yeah, I’d say that would have been a victory… so would preventing the Taliban from regaining a foothold in Afghanistan, preventing al Quaeda from restarting training camps in Pakistan, and giving the farmers of Afghanistan something to grow other than poppies…
“Time to take that Quarterback out of the ‘game’ if you ask me, Tracy” And what replace him… EXACTLY!
Obama will not remove the troops ‘quickly’ but he’ll start us and the Iraqi’s on the right road.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:42 pmI’ve got work to do myself, Tracy… got a meeting tonight.
July 7th, 2008 at 7:46 pmI’m sure they will be more…
Tracy has to go collect cans, another republican too dumb to realize that voting and supporting republicans hurts his/her own self interest.
A miserable, sad, little life you must lead. If I were 1/100th as dumb and pathetic as you I would have thrown myself off a cliff long ago and do humanity a favor.
July 7th, 2008 at 9:20 pmTracy:
Yes, I support Obama. Why would I throw myself off a cliff because of that?
July 7th, 2008 at 11:43 pmUnlike you, I do contribute to society (for one, I can guarantee you that I paid more in state taxes than you made in your pathetic sad job last year).
Unlike you, I live in NYC (the city that was attacked, and that is not filled with cowards like you and is smart enough to vote for democrats because we don’t buy Bush’s lies).
Unlike you, I care about my country and its future and am not completely insane and understand that Obama offers us the best chance to correct the disaster your hero Bush has brought onto this country.
You are just a pathetic, sad clown. You post here making inane, embarrassing comments that would make any 12 year-old look ill-informed and stupid.
I would pity you if you were not much a hate-filled bigot who has ruined my country. Please now go blow up your meth lab.
Tracy,
July 7th, 2008 at 11:49 pmYOU are the one who is complaining about 16 brown people being blown to bits making the news. Calling it a “frenzy”. I asked if it should be in the news if the victims were Americans and you did not answer.
Today is the anniversary of the bombings at London’s underground stations and on a bus. Should that have been in the news? Or was that what you call a frenzy?
July 7th, 2008 at 11:52 pmWell, if you think it should be in the news—-then why are you having a hissy fit about it being in the news, dumbass.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:04 amIf 25% of the US population was either dead or refugees—-do you think that should be in the news? If one in eight American children died before the age of five, would that be all right with you if that was in the news?
July 8th, 2008 at 12:07 amYou don’t have to “hype up” the killing of 1,200,000 innocent civilians who were doing nothing to us and a threat to noone. It is bad enough on its own without hyping!
July 8th, 2008 at 12:09 amMaybe what you think the media is doing is all in your mind. They are reporting things that are newsworthy. If nothing happens, it is not news.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:11 amI thought it was a few deadenders in their last throes after the mission was accomplished. Just one guy stealing a vase, being shown over and over again by the liberal media.—Rumsfeld
July 8th, 2008 at 12:17 amKeith Says:
If 25% of the US population was either dead or refugees—-do you think that should be in the news? If one in eight American children died before the age of five, would that be all right with you if that was in the news?
That depends. If the dead or refugee 25% of the US population were brown and black people, and if the death of one in eight American children before the age of five caused Tracist’s oil stock price to go up, he would be all for it.
July 8th, 2008 at 10:54 amTracy5 Says:
The topic of the thread is the recent terrorist attacks that happened just after al-Maliki’s claim that terrorism had been defeated in Iraq.
Oh, so now you finally admit that it was more than one attack?
Why were you lying when you said this yesterday?
Tracy5 Says:
Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
July 8th, 2008 at 10:58 amIf the people of Iraq were white, would you still be in favor of murdering hundreds of thousands of them just to increase the value of your oil stocks?
July 8th, 2008 at 12:21 pmTracy5 Says:
“Oh, so now you finally admit that it was more than one attack?”
I did a while back. You just weren’t paying attention…as usual.
Oh good. Now please explain why you lied about it in the first place.
Tracy5 Says:
Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
July 8th, 2008 at 12:24 pmTracy5 Says:
Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.
July 7th, 2008 at 2:52 pm
Now Tracist. That reference to one attack was the entire premise of your argument. It wasn’t a mistake. You lied and you got caught. Just admit it for once.
And, many times you have bragged about the benefits of the Iraq war to your oil stock portfolio. Stop lying.
July 8th, 2008 at 12:46 pmTracy5 Says:
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This is what I originall posted:
“Amazing how one attack can work the media into a frenzy.”
What if I were to have said this:
“Amazing how a few attacks can work the media into a frenzy”
Ah, but you didn’t say that, did you? No, instead, you lied in order to promote your point of view.
Tracy, lying is a bad thing.
July 8th, 2008 at 2:01 pmTracy5 Says:
Intent is important here and I had no intent to be deceitful.
Let’s see. You referred to a “wave of attacks” as “one attack” in order to make it sound as if the media was in a “frenzy” over nothing. Now, you claim that you had no intent to do so, even though diminishing the violence was the crux of your argument, and I am supposed to believe you.
Sorry Tracist. This may be hard for a Republican like you to understand, but I am not a dumbass Republican who can be fooled over and over again by liars.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:08 pmTracy5 Says:
You are supporting Obama…aren’t you?
Absolutely! I know you aren’t, are you Tracist? No, you will stick with the Republicans who have lied to you over and over again these many years.
Why is that Tracist? Could it be that you like for your Republican leaders to lie to you because you are a liar yourself? Or, is there another reason?
July 8th, 2008 at 3:26 pmTracy5 Says:
Again if I were to have said “one” or “few” wouldn’t have made any difference to my argument. Explain why it made a difference to you.
That is your problem, and that is why you can’t even tell when your Republican leaders are lying to you. You act as if there is no difference between “one attack” and a “wave of attacks” because minimizing the violence served your purpose at the time. That is what liars do, and that is why you continue to support the lying Republicans.
Liars of a feather stick together.
July 8th, 2008 at 3:51 pmAh, poor Tracist. Got nothin’, eh?
Tough being a lying Republican these days, since everyone now knows that Republicans are liars.
That is the crux of the Republican’s problem, and why they only have support of the 25% deadenders. Once everyone knows you are a liar, only liars will believe you.
July 8th, 2008 at 4:10 pmTracy5 Says:
Then why are you supporting Obama?
Obama will repeal Bush’s tax cuts for those making over $250,000/year.
Obama is against CAFTA and will rework NAFTA.
Obama will also pressure the World Trade Organization to enforce trade agreements and stop countries from continuing unfair government subsidies to foreign exporters and nontariff barriers on U.S. exports.
Obama will invest $150 billion over 10 years to advance the next generation of biofuels and fuel infrastructure, accelerate the commercialization of plug-in hybrids, promote development of commercial scale renewable energy, invest in low emissions coal plants, and begin transition to a new digital electricity grid. The plan will also invest in America’s highly-skilled manufacturing workforce and manufacturing centers to ensure that American workers have the skills and tools they need to pioneer the first wave of green technologies that will be in high demand throughout the world.
Barack Obama supports doubling federal funding for basic research and changing the posture of our federal government from being one of the most anti-science administrations in American history to one that embraces science and technology.
Obama believes that workers should have the freedom to choose whether to join a union without harassment or intimidation from their employers. Obama cosponsored and is strong advocate for the Employee Free Choice Act, a bipartisan effort to assure that workers can exercise their right to organize. He will continue to fight for EFCA’s passage and sign it into law.
Obama has fought the Bush National Labor Relations Board (NLRB) efforts to strip workers of their right to organize. He is a cosponsor of legislation to overturn the NLRB’s “Kentucky River” decisions classifying hundreds of thousands of nurses, construction, and professional workers as “supervisors” who are not protected by federal labor laws.
Obama supports the right of workers to bargain collectively and strike if necessary. He will work to ban the permanent replacement of striking workers, so workers can stand up for themselves without worrying about losing their livelihoods.
Barack Obama will raise the minimum wage, index it to inflation and increase the Earned Income Tax Credit to make sure that full-time workers earn a living wage that allows them to raise their families and pay for basic needs.
That is only a part of the reason I support Barak Obama over a third term for George W. Bush, should I go on?
Now tRacist, tell me why you support John W. McSame.
July 8th, 2008 at 5:18 pmTracy5 Says:
“Now tRacist, tell me why you support John W. McSame.”
He has the experience necessary to be POTUS. Obama doesn’t.
That’s it! That’s all you’ve got! How pathetic! Something tells me there is another reason you hate Barak Obama, tRacist.
Tracy5 Says:
Things I don’t support McCain on:
Illegal immigration…he isn’t near tough enough.
Are you talking about one of McCain’s dozens of 180 degree turn FLIP-FLOPS, when he voted against his own immigration bill? What a freaking joke!
July 9th, 2008 at 8:10 amtRacist, you still have given no reason that you support McCain, other than a vague notion of his experience.
Would that be his “experience” of voting against his own immigration bill?
Would that be his “experience” of flip-flopping several times on abortion?
Would that be his “experience” of corruption in the Keating 5 criminal Saving and Loan scandal?
Would that be his “experience” of being a serial adulterer and leaving his disabled wife for a millionaire’s daughter?
Would that be his “experience” of abandoning his family?
Or, perhaps, tRacist, it is just his experience of being a white man.
July 10th, 2008 at 8:31 amTracy5 Says:
McCain’s foreign policy experience is light years ahead of Obama’s. McCain’s life experience in general is almost twice that of Obama’s.
McCain’s foreign policy “experience” has cost more than 4000 US soldiers dead, more than 30,000 US soldiers horribly maimed, and untold numbers of US soldiers with Post Traumatic Syndrome Disorder. For what? For Weapons of Mass Destruction? For democracy in Iraq?
No, for your oil stocks.
You don’t give a rat’s ass for either American soldiers or the Iraqi people.
You are the worst scum of the earth.
Change is coming you dirtbag.
July 11th, 2008 at 2:27 am