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Lieberman: After Iran wipes out Israel and ‘Arab countries’ in the Middle East, ‘we’re next!’

Yesterday on ABC’s This Week, Sen. Joe Lieberman (I- CT), chief surrogate for Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) presidential campaign, complained that the “Iranians have consistently” refused to suspend its uranium enrichment. When host George Stephanopoulos asked if Israel should then attack Iran, Lieberman said, “That’s up to Israel,” warning that Iran not only represents an “existential threat” to Israel but also the Middle East and the United States:

LIEBERMAN: That’s up to Israel obviously, but I would say that obviously Israel is first in the line of Iranian fire. And it represents an existential threat to Israel. But you know who is next? The Arab countries in the Middle East and they’re worried about the Iranian program and want us to ask strongly to stop it. And we’re next! Because Ahmadinejad in Tehran constantly leads the mobs in shouts of death to America. And they mean it.

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200 Responses to “Lieberman: After Iran wipes out Israel and ‘Arab countries’ in the Middle East, ‘we’re next!’”

  1. RUCerious says:

    Please, quick, someone change his soaked Depends! The stench of fear and urine is overpowering!!


  2. hussein toasterhead says:

    If Iran actually succeeded in “wiping out” Israel, could we get a refund on the billions of dollars in military aid we’ve given them?


  3. raynman says:

    Unfortunately, there are a lot of countries in the world that are shouting death to americans lately….


  4. unbelievable says:

    LIEBERMAN: And we’re next! Because Ahmadinejad in Tehran constantly leads the mobs in shouts of death to America. And they mean it.

    Iranian people think Mahmoud is just as irrelevant as we think Georgie is. Both will be gone by next year.


  5. dbadass says:

    I wish he would be a little more specific with a timeline. There is a lot of *uck&ng around I’d like to do before getting wiped out


  6. unbelievable says:

    raynman Says: Unfortunately, there are a lot of countries in the world that are shouting death to americans lately….

    The Canadians wish they could vote for Obama. That’s gotta be a step in the right direction… :D


  7. RUCerious says:

    Iran is said to be working on a long range ballistic sling shot, capable of delivering massive spitwads to any 3rd grade classroom in the nation.


  8. Zooey says:

    Shut up, you fool.


  9. jb says:

    Yo Joe, don’t ya know, Israel has nukes. What a whining poser. This fear monger needs to get a real job. Hard labor might make a man of him yet.


  10. JMOHR says:

    Hard to believe that Iranians marched in the street supporting the US after 9/11 ready to make a common enemy of Al Qaeda. Hard to believe that at the time the president of Iran was a moderate who sought better relations with the United States and was making inroads in the religious leaders of Iran.

    Yes, the president of the United States took this golden opportunity to change relations with Iran by making them part of the axis of evil. Regime change became the word of the day as it became with North Korea.

    Look at the results of this mano a mano policy. Iran has a reactionary president and will not cooperate on its nuclear program. North Korea actually developed and has six nuclear weapons which they do not need to destroy under the results of the six party talks.

    Yes, we certainly did well listening to these idiots.


  11. belac says:

    Iran is said to be working on a long range ballistic sling shot, capable of delivering massive spitwads to any 3rd grade classroom in the nation.

    No more surgical tubing allowed in IRAN! That’s one dual-use technology that we can’t afford to let fall in the mullah’s hands…


  12. lokidog says:

    And they mean it.

    Really.

    I mean really.

    Seriously!

    I’m not kiddin’ here.

    Please. Don’t laugh at me.

    I mean it. That they mean it.

    Aw f*** it………….


  13. Sachem says:

    When Joe speaks of the “Arab countries” being next, he is using code for Sunni.

    See what Sy Hersh said in early June about this administration fanaticism about the Shia world:

    YouTube here


  14. Geo says:

    This paranoid little man never knows when to stop with the BS.


  15. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Good grief.

    Someone should really consider a psychiatric intervention on Holy Joe’s behalf, because he clearly has lost it.

    Normally, one frets about enemies that actually pose a threat. You know — have military parity or superiority, and have actual strategic reasons to attack.

    Holy Joe and the Neoncons (which would NOT make a cool name for a rock band, in my opinion) get the vapors over third-rate military powers that have no demonstrated history of attacking its neighbors, let alone the mightiest military-industrial complex the world has ever seen which lies thousands of miles away.

    The only explanation that makes any sense (besides Rape-Gurney Joe having gone bye-bye) is that the Neocons know that they need an external enemy to focus on in order to maintain the funding for their military-industrial complex and keep their upwards-wealth-transfer conveyor belt functioning properly.

    Apparently, where most of us read Orwell’s 1984 as a cautionary tale, some saw it as an instruction manual.


  16. stewarjt says:

    Exactly how does Droopy Dog know all of this is going to happen? I mean, no one knows the future, but him?


  17. DRxJ says:

    BOO!
    Scared?
    Vote Republican!

    The following was approved by Indie Joe


  18. Zimzone says:

    Joe, you’re a rubber lipped sycophant flip flopping phucker from the word go.

    Americans are sick & tired of being a nanny state to Israel.

    AIPAC & all of you fearmongers connected with it can kiss our ass.

    You’re a loser, a panderer and downright ugly human being.


  19. JBaddo says:

    Hey Old Ignorant Joe,

    How about your country’s meddling in Iranian affairs and the overthrow of a democratically elected leader in 1953. Would you care to comment please or are your dual loyaties blinding you?


  20. upside99 says:

    Is Deputy Dawg Lieberman still posing for the VP slot or is he just in terminal whine mode now?


  21. shoeless says:

    Iranian Drones May Target U.S. Cities

    FOX NEWS

    WASHINGTON — Iran could be planning a chemical or biological attack on American cities through the use of remote-controlled “drone” planes equipped with GPS tracking maps, according to U.S. intelligence.

    The information about Iran’s unmanned aerial vehicle (UAV) program has caused a “real concern” among defense personnel, senior U.S. officials tell Fox News. They’re worried that these vehicles have already been, or could be, transported inside the United States to be used in an attack, although there is no proof that this has happened.

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice showed a picture of a small drone plane during her presentation to the U.N. Security Council earlier this month.

    “UAVs outfitted with spray tanks constitute an ideal method for launching a terrorist attack using biological weapons,” Rice said during her speech. “Iran could use these small UAVs, which have a wingspan of only a few meters, to deliver biological agents to its neighbors or, if transported, to other countries, including the United States.”

    Rice said there is “ample evidence” that Iran has dedicated much time and effort to developing and testing spray devices that could be adapted for UAVs. “And of the little that Mahmoud Ahmadinejad told us about UAVs, he has not told the truth,” Rice said.


  22. Nashoba nowa says:

    Fear Mongering !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


  23. mary says:

    Joe has become a one issue man these days! Iran, Iran, Iran.


  24. ralph the wonder llama says:

    DRxJ Says:
    BOO!
    Scared?
    Vote Republican!

    DRxJ, I loved this post the first time I saw it, and I thought about appropriating it once or twice since. Now that I know the author, I’ll be able to quote you and credit you properly.


  25. xegar says:

    Mommy, what’s a demagogue ?


  26. unbelievable says:

    I’m convinced that the number of Conservatives in this country would drop significantly is every one of them were required to personally know gay people, black people, Muslims, Feminists, and every other group of people that they habitualy use as boogeymen.

    Conservatives are no different than chimpanzees who are afraid of strangers because pan troglodyte hasen’t yet evolved our level of awareness to know better.


  27. DRxJ says:

    What’s sad is that the continuous idea (bomb Iran) being planted in our heads is exactly the same as the build up before the illegal occupation of Iraq.
    Before the bogus WMD, before the bull$hit scenario of a mushroom cloud, there was the constant drumbeat of war detailed by the media. It was subtle, but it was there.

    I don’t know about you, but this scares the bejeebus out of me.
    There is nothing more worrisome than an administration, lacking in military service, hell bent for war!


  28. unbelievable says:

    Zimzone Says: Americans are sick & tired of being a nanny state to Israel.

    A Republican Christian actually said that very same thing to me a couple of weeks ago! I almost fell over!


  29. RUCerious says:

    Xerxes is coming! XERXES IS COMING!!


  30. dbadass says:

    “And I ran, I ran so far away.
    I just ran, I ran all night and day.
    I couldnt get away.

    A cloud appears above your head;
    A beam of light comes shining down on you,
    Shining down on you.
    The cloud is moving nearer still.”

    So that’s what those seagulls were talking about…


  31. jb says:

    Israel foots the bill for Sloppy Joe’s depends.


  32. Exit Stage Left says:

    LIEberman is a very poor excuse for a human being. He should resign to an old age home with McRibs. Can Connecticut recall his old, ugly ass?


  33. DRxJ says:

    ralph,
    Thanks. Feel free to use it anytime. (you’ll probably get ample time with the upcoming elections!)


  34. Namtillaku says:

    The narrow, small mindedness of your elected elite is astounding.


  35. upside99 says:

    Have the people of Connecticut tired of this assklown yet? I know the rest of us sure have ……. and REALLY REALLY wish you all had more sense than to elect this scumbag NeoCon Zionist!


  36. had enough says:

    Lieberman: After Iran wipes out Israel and ‘Arab countries’ in the Middle East, ‘we’re next!’»

    It is because of the rhetoric and warmongering from LIEberman and the Bush thug neocons we are financially wiping out.

    Maybe after Jan. 20 ‘09 we will not be exposed to this insane nonsense.


  37. unbelievable says:

    upside99 Says: Have the people of Connecticut tired of this assklown yet? I know the rest of us sure have ……. and REALLY REALLY wish you all had more sense than to elect this scumbag NeoCon Zionist!

    There was an article somewhere, Huffington Post, I think, that said that they are. That his poll numbers have plunged. There’s also the site that is taking signatures to have him revoked of his Democratic committee assignments and power.

    California recalled Gray Davis, so why couldn’t Conneticut do the same to Lieberman?


  38. lokidog says:

    Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice showed a picture of a small drone plane during her presentation to the U.N. Security Council earlier this month.

    Not only that, shoeless, but FOX showed pictures of an Iranian pilot poised to attack us:

    http://childrenschapel.org/graphics/flypaper.gif


  39. ralph the wonder llama says:

    upside99 Says:
    Have the people of Connecticut tired of this assklown yet?

    Yes.


  40. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Supreme Says:
    Why is it when someone says something bad about Iran, the Left gets angry?
    Why do Leftists support the Ayatollahs?

    Hi Trajan.


  41. Namtillaku says:

    Supreme Says:

    If China attacked and invaded Iran, what would you Leftists do?

    Shoot you.


  42. Zimzone says:

    Recall LIEberman!

    Better a recall than a recount…


  43. belac says:

    If China attacked and invaded Iran, what would you Leftists do?

    Lasso one o’ them flying pigs and go for the ride of my life!


  44. unbelievable says:

    Supreme Says: Why is it when someone says something bad about Iran, the Left gets angry? Why do Leftists support the Ayatollahs?

    If any of you Cons had logic or critical thyinking skills you’d be liberals…

    It’s not about saying anything bad about Iran, but about saying lies about any country in order to scare the American people into supporting an unwarranted pre-emptive attack.

    We support Humanitarianism – try it. It saves lives.


  45. dbadass says:

    Supreme:
    If no one else has yet. I call false premise. I haven’t seen any anger or ayatollah support


  46. texaslady says:

    Lieb just wants America and Israel to control the oil in the Middle East especially now that georgie’s friend Hunt Oil got a no bid written by the administration contract for Kurdistans oil. Why is no one outraged at this ? Guess we have just had too many outrageous issues from georgie and his campaign donors. Hunt, from Dallas also got georgie a toll road named for him. Note toll road, not free, gotta squeeze every $1.00 from the citizens.


  47. DRxJ says:

    Supreme_75 Says:

    If China attacked and invaded Iran, what would you Leftists do?

    Make fun of our pseudo-Latin heritage!


  48. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Supreme Says:
    ralph the wonder llama,
    I’m not Trajan.

    My mistake. You’re Supreme now.

    I dig.


  49. dbadass says:

    First tell me why China attacked and anvaded Iran. See there has to be some sort of context for weird made up hypotheticals…


  50. lokidog says:

    If China attacked and invaded Iran, what would you Leftists do?

    ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!

    But what if Mars were to invade Saturn first?!?!?!?!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    Ima so scaret!! Save me GWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!!!!!

    F***ing moron.


  51. mary says:

    I did a little google search on the term “existential threat”. Seems that it’s been in use for at least the last year and a half as they do their best to condition us.

    Found this nugget from June:
    ‘It’s come to me that Israel and the U.S. might as well have co-presidents, Bush and Olmert. Their policies and views are so similar that, like old married couples, they can almost finish each other’s sentences and ape the other country’s policies.

    No sooner did Bush spend an hour behind closed doors with Olmert talking about Iran, than Bush came out warning that Iran was a threat to the world’s existence. I even detected a bit of a Hebrew accent when he spoke:

    “[It's] very important for the world to take the Iranian threat seriously, which the United States does,” Bush said. “Iran is an existential threat to peace.”’


  52. upside99 says:

    Unbelievable, Ralph,

    I do hope we can at least get him off the committees he is on, it is so embarassing that he gives the Dems the finger and still sits in positions of power in the Senate.


  53. StratRat says:

    Supreme Says:

    ralph the wonder llama,
    I’m not Trajan.

    Ha ha, what’s the difference? Nothing to offer, nothing to share. Just more bedwetting cowardice.


  54. dbadass says:

    So Supreme:
    That sounds like interesting reading. Might you share your source?


  55. texaslady says:

    Supreme curious in what manner would you support China ? Send money, sign up for their military ? Or just root from your bedroom.


  56. belac says:

    My point is that if China was threatening IRan, you Leftists would be silent.

    I don’t think that the left would be silent, but that’s just my opinion. I certainly wouldn’t be silent…
    Back on-topic and more importantly… Cheney and Joe and Bolton, et al. ARE threatening Iran and the right is cheering… why are you nut-jobs so hot for crippling, pointless wars in the middle-east?


  57. LibertyLover says:

    Sheesh. Someone tell this nitwit that it is the Clerics that make the rules in Iran, and NOT Ahmadinejad. Please?


  58. DRxJ says:

    Supremeless Says:

    I have read, that China no longer views America and the West as a as a threat since the Left has weakened Western will to fight.
    But, then again, I photoshop someone else’s trip to Cabo San Lucas on my pathetic website, and claim it as me. I’m also affiliated with the Latin gang “Hombre!”
    who threaten grad schoolers


  59. Zooey says:

    Supreme = every dumb-assed piss-soaked troll.

    Flag it.


  60. barfly says:

    The same way the Left gives Iran moral support.

    As you give moral support to war criminals?

    Please.


  61. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Supreme Says:
    I have read, that China no longer views America and the West as a as a threat since the Left has weakened Western will to fight.

    Interesting, Twajie, that you say “the Left has weakened the Western will to fight”.

    But an overstretched military engaged in two foreign anti-insurgency wars, one of which was launched on false pretenses and both of which have lasted longer than it took the Allies to vanquish the industrial powers of Nazi Germany and Imperial Japan, not to mention the fact that this entire military folly in the Middle East has been financed largely by borrowing from China — is it impossible these factors may have played a not insignificant role in forming the attitude (purported by you with no link) of China that we are no longer a threat to them?

    And probably a much more significant factor than the influence of “The Left” on public opinion?

    Hmmm?


  62. shoeless says:

    You hate the Iranians. Why would you care if China invaded them?


  63. unbelievable says:

    upside99 Says: I do hope we can at least get him off the committees he is on, it is so embarassing that he gives the Dems the finger and still sits in positions of power in the Senate.

    Last I saw, there were tens of thousands of signatures to kick him out of the club. That should just be common sense after he endorsed McSame.


  64. mary says:

    I was way off – they’ve been using this term “existential threat” for quite awhile!

    This snippet is from 2003:
    ‘Meir Dagan, director of Israel’s external intelligence agency, the Mossad, told a parliamentary committee this month that Iran posed an “existential threat” to Israel, according to the Yedioth Ahronoth newspaper. He reportedly assured committee members that Israel could deal with this threat.’


  65. dbadass says:

    So Supreme are you suggesting that you would prefer that the USA be more like your vision of China? By the way your buddy the sissy Columbian OG might take offense to that America thing. See all citizens of the Americas are American.


  66. upside99 says:

    Supreme/roboto/nicky/et al,

    Got your Nazi/Right Wing projection machine turned up a few notches too high, do you?

    Might want to head on back to Colombia where you can kill some more Leftists for God, K?


  67. greenpagan says:

    Is there any way I can take back my vote for Lieberman in 2000…?


  68. unbelievable says:

    Supreme Says: The same way the Left gives Iran moral support.

    Prove it.


  69. shoeless says:

    dbadass Says:

    So Supreme are you suggesting that you would prefer that the USA be more like your vision of China?

    Why does Supreme love communism?


  70. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Supreme Says:
    belac,
    The difference is China would silence the Left

    And, oh, what a paradise that would be for an authoritarian like you, eh, Twajie?.


  71. RUCerious says:

    HEY Supreme! Sing us a few bars of ‘Baby Love’, will ya?


  72. dbadass says:

    Come on Zooey:
    Can’t we help them look stupid a little longer?


  73. shoeless says:

    Supreme Says:

    Long live the People’s Republic of China and the People’s Liberation Army.

    You love communism in China. Do you also love communism in Cuba?


  74. RUCerious says:

    C’mon, Supreme, you suck at debate, your only saving grace is that gorgeous three part harmony. You know, Where Did Our Love Go, would also be nice.


  75. texaslady says:

    Actually Iran was very pro-American UNTIL they were dubbed part of the axis of evil by cowboy george. Then the people allowed Mr. Dinnerjacket into power. So, put the blame where it started. Also, when an occupying military next door keeps pushing the envelope into my country, after destroying one country I would be upping my military too. Who is the warmonger here, georgie/akamccain.


  76. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Supreme Says:

    For the record I’m not Trajan, don’t confuse us

    I dig. *wink*

    But I agree that we shouldn’t confuse you. You sound confused enough already.


  77. Geo says:

    Think Progress would have better quality threads if it could get a site monitor to delete trolls like they have over at Crooks and Liars. Please consider getting a site monitor.


  78. RUCerious says:

    OK, now please just

    Stop! In the Name of Love!


  79. dbadass says:

    It will be very interesting to see China go in and kick Islamic butt and you Leftists complain. Then your leaders will begin to disappear.

    —–

    Drilling oil off Florida. Invading Iran. Poisoning our toys. Damn those Chinese… Wasn’t it a happier time when they were just building railroads and drycleaning shirts?


  80. shoeless says:

    Supreme Says:

    China will rule the world in 20 years and there’s nothing you Progressives or your Iranian allies can do about it!
    They are a strong nation unlike America.

    Why do you hate America?


  81. upside99 says:

    Supreme Says:

    unbelievable,
    This website and you posters are giving support for Iran. Whenever anyone says anything bad about Iran, you guys attack and get angry.

    No, we just want to make sure that the fear-mongering and flase flags are pointed out.

    Is paranoia a common affliction in your family?


  82. barfly says:

    Back on topic, it’s moronic to assert Iran would launch a nuclear attack against Israel. It would alienate them from the rest of the Islamic community, permanently. They’re Persians, and the other arab countries have had centuries of past animosities with them. An attack would cause other arab countries to attack them, in retaliation, if any of their people were killed as a result, by radioactive fallout.


  83. RUCerious says:

    I just can’t wait for Supreme’s next bone headed comment, because

    You Keep Me Hangin On!


  84. dbadass says:

    This has become to ridiculous to be even silly. So Supreme, you need a little more practice before your ready to venture out on your own.


  85. Chris L says:

    The Supreme Leader of Iran, Ali Khamenei is actually very pro-Western. He is the one who controls Iran’s military, and he is very right-wing.

    “In his presidential inaugural address Khamenei vowed to eliminate `deviation, liberalism, and American-influenced leftists.”

    Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has no power at all over Iran’s military.


  86. RUCerious says:

    barfly, as the prevailing winds would blow fallout from an Iranian attack on Israel all over Jordan, Syria, Iraq and IRAN, it probably has occurred to them that it wouldn’t be real smart.


  87. unbelievable says:

    Supreme Says: Long live the People’s Republic of China and the People’s Liberation Army.

    So you admire an Atheistic and Socialistic government then?


  88. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    unbelievable,
    This website and you posters are giving support for Iran. Whenever anyone says anything bad about Iran, you guys attack and get angry.

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pm
    ______

    We’re not defending Iran. We’re just opposing another senseless and pointless war against a country that poses us no threat.


  89. RUCerious says:

    Let’s pitch in a quarter each and get Supremo a railway ticket to China.


  90. Zooey says:

    dbadass Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Come on Zooey:
    Can’t we help them look stupid a little longer?

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:03 pm

    They already have eternity on their side. ;)


  91. shoeless says:

    Supreme Says:

    shoeless,
    China isn’t Communist anymore, they are Nationalists who have a Strong country. I respect them way more than this pathetic weak nation full of wimps and losers.

    For our sake, you should emigrate to China. I seriously doubt Think Progress gets past the totalitarian communist Chinese government filters on the internet. At least then we wouldn’t have you trolling around here anymore.


  92. dbadass says:

    I’ve seen better sideshow freaks.


  93. RUCerious says:

    BTW, Supremo, how’s that black wig fit on you?


  94. unbelievable says:

    Supreme Says:This website and you posters are giving support for Iran. Whenever anyone says anything bad about Iran, you guys attack and get angry.

    I already debunked youon this fallacy. Is your short-term memory as impared as your long-term memory too? Would explain why you keep repeating yourself…


  95. upside99 says:

    Supreme sys:
    I respect them way more than this pathetic weak nation full of wimps and losers.

    Got your ticket to Beijing booked yet? Or are you not even an American citizen?

    We will be sure to not miss your sorry arse when you renounce your US citizenship. Oh, Wait, maybe you are not even an American citizen? Can we say Green Card?


  96. RUCerious says:

    Hey, Supremo! Are you Florence, Mary or Diana this week?


  97. StratRat says:

    How do you keep a stray animal from showing up at your doorstep every day? You stop feeding it. You stop paying attention to it. You chase it away with your disregard of it. After a little while, it will decide it is not wanted and it will move on to redstate or hot air.

    That is how you get rid of a rude, obnoxious, and worthless animal.


  98. RUCerious says:

    StratRat, I know, I shouldn’t be poking it with sticks.
    Got an M-80 I can plug up its ass?


  99. barfly says:

    They have every incentive to nuke Israel.

    Nmae one, that can’t be refuted by the fact that they would alienate themselves and invite attack by other arab countries.

    Even Leiberman admits there’s no love lost between Iran, and the rest of the Islamic world. They would attact Iran, if this attack on Israel occurred. Sorry, that you’re too Lumpy Rutherford to see it.


  100. Chris L says:

    Supreme Says:

    Chris L,
    Since Iran is a Rightwing Regime, why does the Left support it?
    ###

    Better question, why does the right wing want to destroy it? I think the Left is mainly pointing out that we don’t need a third war going on right now. There is no threat (according to 16 different intelligence agencies) The right-wing rules with fear, the left with reason.

    So, Supreme, are you having fun? Are you enjoying your summer vacation? When does your school start back? Do you know which teachers you will have? What do you want to be when you grow up?


  101. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    Iran would be considered heroes by the Islamic nations and by Leftists in the West. They have every incentive to nuke Israel.

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pm
    _______

    Oh please. Iran has no interest in nuking their #1 boogeyman, an act that would undoubtedly kill thosands if not millions of Palestinians, alienate them entirely from OPEC and the rest of the Muslim world, and destroy one of their oil customers/favored boogeyman. Iran’s kleptocratic mullahs NEED Israel for the same reason our kleptocratic mullahs need al-Qa’ida- to scare their people into submission.

    Also, they have no concievable capability of doing so, since they DON’T HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM.

    To answer your other concerns, we on the left don’t defend Iran. We are appalled by their regime’s awful human rights record against ethnic and religious minorities, women, intellectuals, and homosexuals. We just see no reason to go to war with them.


  102. dbadass says:

    I am sort of curious where the name “Supreme” arises from. Is that what a Big Mac is called in China?


  103. upside99 says:

    Supreme/roboto,

    Is your Nazi flag and autographed poster of Adolf and Mussolini still on your basement wall, above your mom’s PC?

    she must be sooo proud!


  104. StratRat says:

    RUCerious Says:

    StratRat, I know, I shouldn’t be poking it with sticks.
    Got an M-80 I can plug up its ass?

    No M-80’s, but I do have some cherry bombs stashed away for a special occasion. Maybe this is one of them?

    Seriously, is it too early on Monday for the nutcases to have escaped? I thought the warden let them all out at around noontime. Our troll does seem to have anger management issues.

    Don’t go away mad, just go away.


  105. unbelievable says:

    Supreme Says: I have thought of moving to China and leave this weak POS country behind. I respect the strong.

    Clearly you have never been to China.


  106. barfly says:

    Posthumous Reagan: “What’s all the fuss about Iran? Just sell them the weapons. It worked for me!”


  107. RUCerious says:

    Hmm, dbadass, I just assumed it was a transgendered split personality psycho that emulated the 60’s singing trio.


  108. Abu Ben Hussein Leporello says:

    Will someone Please explain to me exactly who “The Left” is? Whoever ‘They’ are, they’re used by folks like Lieberman and BillO as saboteurs/enemies/monsters who will destroy/demolish/dismantle America. This tactic of identifying ‘Them’ as enemies of the State is a classic fascist tactic. Not blaming, just saying…
    Back on topic, the honorable Senator is repeating the dreaded Domino Theory. It’s just as realistic a theory now as it was back in the 60’s. Besides, as has already been pointed out, Israel has nukes and, most certainly, will use them if necessary. The senator’s arguement is absurd, at best. Why not treat it as such?
    Impeach Pelosi, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!


  109. dbadass says:

    Supreme Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Long Live China, the nation of the strong!

    —-
    Maybe this will show up at that loser no comment blog. If so be sure to first change the context to imply that it is liberal support for communism or don’t. It doesn’t really matter since no one will bother to go and see or read it


  110. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    hussein toasterhead,
    That’s a lie. Whenever anyone says something bad about Iran, the Left goes nuts! But it’s ok to bash other countries like Israel or Egypt.

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:11 pm
    _______

    Yeah, because the only things you people on the right say about Iran is “war war war” with no regard for the consequences (beyond short-term profits of a few defense contractors) of such an action.


  111. LibertyLover says:

    Did someone let Supreme use his mom’s computer in the basement? Wow. He sure is an angry young man.


  112. RUCerious says:

    I’m sure China could find something useful for the troll to do.
    They have some dams leaking from the earthquake, and he’d make a great plug.


  113. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Okay, “Supreme” has gone off the rails and ceased being amusing to me.

    That’s the problem with Not-Trajan. He just has no sense of showmanship. No timing. It’s all insanity all the time. A little insanity can be a good thing in a troll. Any more than that and it just gets boring.


  114. texaslady says:

    The hype to invade Iran is to protect oil interests just as the invasion of Iraq was. Who in their right mind would approve of yet another $9 Trillion dollar debt heaped upon us to protect private oil interests. Right, Left indifferent all sane people are saying ENOUGH ALREADY !


  115. LibertyLover says:

    barfly Says:
    Posthumous Reagan: “What’s all the fuss about Iran? Just sell them the weapons. It worked for me!”

    — maybe we can reinstall the Shah as well, eh?


  116. RUCerious says:

    Hmm, could it be that Supremo is pissed because his mommy postponed his Bar Mitzvah>?


  117. barfly says:

    RUCerious Says:

    Hmm, dbadass, I just assumed it was a transgendered split personality psycho that emulated the 60’s singing trio.

    Or a Freudian slip. There’s a brand of cracker named “Supreme.”


  118. Max-1 says:

    #81 Supreme Says:

    Long live the People’s Republic of China and the People’s Liberation Army.

    What are you, Communist?

    .


  119. texaslady says:

    Supreme (?) My Taiwanese daughter in law can tell you about China’s wonderful world. Amazing how a little country like Taiwan can keep the China wolf out. You need some serious education about China’s wonderful culture. You wouldn’t even be able to speak out without censorship.


  120. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Supreme Says

    :

    Booooooring.


  121. barfly says:

    If Iran nuked Israel, Millions of Muslims would cheer and celebrate!

    And then attack Iran, for killing their citizens…

    Loopy reasoning.


  122. dbadass says:

    What a minute. Wasn’t there a fictional superhero named Supreme? That would explain the comic book nature of our guy…


  123. upside99 says:

    LibertyLover Says:
    Did someone let Supreme use his mom’s computer in the basement? Wow. He sure is an angry young man.

    It is sounding like his mom forgot to put his medication in his Malto-meal this morning. And maybe he punched a hole in his footie Spidey pajamas. I hear that really can set them off.

    I bet mom can’t wait for school to start again. Her life will be so much more quiet without that ranting in the basement, and … she won’t have to share her computer and have to clean the Cheeto stains off her keyboard.


  124. barfly says:

    What are you, Communist?

    I vote cracker…


  125. Max-1 says:

    #96 Supreme Says:

    I respect them way more than this pathetic weak nation(sic) full of wimps and losers.

    SO MOVE THERE!

    .


  126. RUCerious says:

    barfly ~ That’s Rich! or Ritz!

    My guess is Baconville, Arkansas…


  127. unbelievable says:

    China has atrocious human rights violations,extreme pollution problems (you must boil the tap water in order to drink it and not die), and a totalitarian dictatorship that oppresses people who express the very freedoms of speech that we are all now practicing here.

    I think Supreme would fit right in.


  128. LibertyLover says:

    upside99 Says:
    July 7th, 2008 at 1:25 pm

    I hope he is a first born son, because if he’s not, in China… he wouldn’t even exist.


  129. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    Chris L and Toasterhead,
    Israel is hated by Muslim nations and by Leftists in the West. If Iran nuked Israel, Millions of Muslims would cheer and celebrate! The Left in Europe and America would be celebrating the end of Zionism.

    Somehow I doubt very strongly that any Muslims would support the destruction of the third-holiest site in Islam.

    If Iran nuked Israel, we on the left, as well as hundreds of millions of Muslims, would denounce the act. However, since Iran DOESN’T HAVE A NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM, it would be at most an act of fiction.

    It’s a win win from them.
    However there might be one nation that would do something about it, China.

    And China would bomb one of its top oil sources… why? Do explain this logic, cause I’m not following it.

    If Israel joined the China camp and exterminated the Palestinians, the world would and could do nothing.
    Nobody messes with China’s friends.

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:21 pm

    Which is why the U.S. has nothing to fear from any foreign country. China has a legitimate business interest in defending their best customer.


  130. barfly says:

    They can’t even defeat 2 weak nations like Afghanistan and Iraq!

    Who did you overthrow last week? Your nanny?


  131. RUCerious says:

  132. DaTruth says:

    Feel free to jump Israel. The United States is chained to you!


  133. LibertyLover says:

    Max-1 Says:
    #96 Supreme Says:

    I respect them way more than this pathetic weak nation(sic) full of wimps and losers.

    SO MOVE THERE!

    —- Oh no, I think he should join the American Army and go to Iraq and/or Afghanistan and show us how to win over there. Tough guys are always so full of talk.


  134. RUCerious says:

    Or maybe Cheetoh, Oklahoma.


  135. Max-1 says:

    .

    Hey everyone…

    Supreme HATES America and loves Communist China.

    .


  136. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    At least you admit that the Left is cool with bashing any nation except Iran. I also notice you guys don’t mess with China. You know they don’t play and there’s consequences for attacking them.
    I admire China, it’s government and Army. They will rule the world because America and Europe are full of weak people.
    China is strong!

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
    ______

    When did I say that the Left is “cool with bashing any nation but Iran?” There are plenty of people in this very thread decrying Iran’s human rights violations, including myself. Your thesis is irrevocably flawed.

    And China ain’t as strong as you think. The PRC has a crapload of internal ethnic and political divisions that could rip the country apart, and they are on the brink of complete environmental catastrophe.

    Bejing is only a few years away from running out of water. Did you know that? You might want to think about it before you move there.


  137. texaslady says:

    Supreme (?) by “They” are you speaking of our military ? And maybe since you are such a strong fighter you should sign up and just show our loser military what they are doing all wrong. I know just the soldier that would love you to take his place since his 18 month tour has been extended AGAIN .

    You are just pathetic.


  138. dbadass says:

    Hey Supreme, I hope I don’t hurt your feelings but I think you might be a big pussy. In my experience the toughest guys are rarely the ones who try to talk tough


  139. DRxJ says:

    Supremeless_75 Says:

    Israel is hated by the Muslim World, the Western Left and the International Media. If it was wiped out, the media would cheer and Iran would appear as heroes.
    Only China would do something. America is weak and cowardly, China is strong!

    Now if there was only something that would wipe out these pseudo-Latin gangsta wannabes circle jerks who troll on progressive blogs spouting nonsense that derails the topic! That would be something.


  140. Geo says:

    This thread isn’t about China, don’t feed the troll. A good site monitor would delete every post with the word China in it.


  141. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    Israel is hated by the Muslim World, the Western Left and the International Media. If it was wiped out, the media would cheer and Iran would appear as heroes.

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
    ______

    Israel is not hated by the Muslim world and the Left. Israel’s actions and policies are hated by the Muslim world and the Left. You seem to be missing that really critical distinction.


  142. dbadass says:

    Supreme:
    When China is done in Iran do you think they will move on to Venezula?


  143. upside99 says:

    texaslady,

    Supreme/roboto has his camouflaged M-79 keyboard all tuned up and can’t wait for the next military game to come out. That is as close as he would ever get to real combat, other than when he fights his little sister for the tv remote.


  144. Paul W says:

    And we’re next! Because Ahmadinejad in Tehran constantly leads the mobs in shouts of death to America. And they mean it.

    Oh yeah, they mean it! They double dog dare mean it!

    It’s hard to believe this whining little coward is among the leadership of the most powerful nation on earth. On second thought, there might be a connection there.

    http://progressiveworldreview.com


  145. onoclea says:

    There is NO evidence Iran has a current nuclear program, let alone a bomb.

    The notion that China would attack Iran is ridiculous. They have reasonably friendly relations and are trading partners.


  146. ralph the wonder llama says:

    I’m beginning to think that Supreme is the product of a Trajan-programmed Random Statement Generator.

    It sounds like Twajie, but with much less concern for making even internal sense.


  147. onoclea says:

    So sorry, make that a current nuclear weapons program. One word, so important.


  148. RUCerious says:

    From the Supreme website..

    Eventually, in 1998, the comic market suffered a slowdown, and Liefeld as a publisher had run out of finances. All of the titles were suspended, and despite a short lived revival a year later the character’s last adventures appeared in 2000.

    How sad. Now the character only lives on in the vicarious rampages of a psychotic web freak.


  149. barfly says:

    Israel is hated by the Muslim World, the Western Left and the International Media. If it was wiped out, the media would cheer and Iran would appear as heroes.

    But I thought “the media” was a cabal of Jewish print-and-broadcast types? That’s always been one of the Right’s favorite themes. Don’t tell me it isn’t true?

    Damn!


  150. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    China would launch Nuke attacks on Iranian cities, then send in their Army to seize the oil.

    So after destroying Iran’s oil and port infrastructure, China would send troops into the fallout-contaminated cities of Iran to “seize the oil?” And do what with it? Form a human bucket chain across Central Asia?

    A military tactician you are not, Trajan.

    If Israel was destroyed, the American media would cheer and the Left would be extactic.

    The American media? The one that only covers the Israeli side of the story? That American media?

    The Muslims could care less about Jerusalem, it’s just an excuse to hate Israel and Christians. If Iran nuked it, they wouldn’t care since Israel would be gone. The Iranians would be heroes in the Muslim world and with the Western Left.
    July 7th, 2008 at 1:33 pm

    Muslims may not care about Jerusalem, but they do care about al-Quds and the Hijra (night journey) the Prophet Muhammad made from there. The only way Iran could make itself more of a pariah in the Muslim world would be to nuke Mecca or Medina.


  151. Keith says:

    When was the last time Iran invaded someone? 250 years ago? 280 years ago? How about the US? How about Israel?

    Back in 2003 some idiot said to me that we had to invade Iraq because China was planning on doing it. Pure Bullsh!t.


  152. Keith says:

    Liberal Truman fought the Chinese. Conservative Eisenhower cut and run. :)


  153. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    onoclea,
    No they’re not. Iranians are portrayed as evil in the Chinese media. Muslims are hated in China, ask the Uighurs.

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:39 pm
    ______

    I have. I was in Xinjiang a few years ago and spoke to plenty of Uyghurs, as well as Hans and Kazakhs and Xibu while I was there. The conflict between Uyghurs and the Han Chinese is not over religion, but the land that Beijing is trying to internally-colonize.


  154. upside99 says:

    supremo/roboto says:

    The US Army sucks and can’t beat a bunch of Desert Bandits!

    WOW!! I bet you repeat that statement to all the troops you see in uniform, right?

    Did you get a Dishonorable Discharge under the Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell program?


  155. A Patriot Acting says:

    shoeless Says:
    “Iranian Drones May Target U.S. Cities”
    Cripies, now they not only use the t.v. show “24″ to justify torturing brown people, they steal actual plot lines from the show.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/24_%28season_6%29

    see “season 6 / episodes 5-11″


  156. RantingTommy says:

    texaslady Says:

    Supreme curious in what manner would you support China ? Send money, sign up for their military ? Or just root from your bedroom.

    He’d just buy more crap from Walmart


  157. barfly says:

    Did you get a Dishonorable Discharge under the Don’t Ask/Don’t Tell program?

    For bad personal hygiene… He always smelled of urine.


  158. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    To China it’s about territory, to the Uighurs as with all Muslims it’s about being occupied by Infidels.

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    _______

    And there’s a difference?

    News Flash, Trajan– PEOPLE DON’T LIKE BEING OCCUPIED.


  159. Max-1 says:

    .

    Supreme,
    Have you earned enough extra credit points from Grammpy McTORTURE’s Gooper pals to buy you a McWatch. I mean, support the Chinese child labor force, right?

    .


  160. upside99 says:

    Supreme Says:

    upside99,
    I have taunted US Troops that they have gotten their asses handed to them by a bunch of Bandits. They can’t do nothing about it. America and its people are weak.

    Just how far away were you when you taunted them? Did you use a bull horn, or maybe an untraceable cell phone?

    And ask the Tibetans how they feel about the Chinese, and the Nepalese.


  161. onoclea says:

    Who cares if some little group doesn’t like Iran? What the Chinese government and business does is what counts, or are the Uighurs going to invade Iran.

    http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-10/31/content_387140.htm


  162. barfly says:

    China has killed more Muslims than Israel has.

    And yet, they have signed oil agreements with them.

    Sneaky bastards!


  163. Keith says:

    US spends more on its military than the rest of the world combined.


  164. upside99 says:

    I guess it is true; supremo has sucked too much paint off all those Chinese toy guns he plays with. His brain is now the conistancy and intellectual level of Dubya’s.


  165. barfly says:

    Anyway, back on topic. Leiberman’s comments will get ever more shrill, the closer we get to Nov. 7.

    I wouldn’t be surprised if he soon takes to carrying a folder around, with “irrifutable” evidence (that he refuses to show to reporters, due to the “sensitive” nature of the information) that details how and when the attack will occur.


  166. texaslady says:

    The supreme (?) is just having fun breaking up a boring day while mom and dad are working. I agree with the ones above that lack of attention will take care of the pathetic mewings.


  167. Max-1 says:

    #188 Supreme says:

    I have taunted US Troops that they have gotten their asses handed to them by a bunch of Bandits. They can’t do nothing about it. America and its people are weak.

    O.M.F’n.G.!!!
    … That’s not supportin the troops like your yellow magnet(made in China) says you do.
    … That’s not honoring your country like that little flag on a stick(made in China) is meant to say.
    … And that most certainly isn’t how a Loyal Christian(R) loves on his country like a good Republicum should.

    .


  168. Buckie Boy says:

    Does this fck wad not know that if Iran attacks anyone, then they will get their butts kicked?

    Oh, yeah, he does know…just old holy joe fear mongering.

    Oh course, the Reichwingers will not use any logic in figuring out what this lying sack of ugly said and how it is illogical.


  169. texaslady says:

    Max that is exactly how all young republicans and their moms and dads do. And yes, I realize you were being sarcastic but so true tho.


  170. ralph the wonder llama says:

    Supreme Says:

    Yep. Still boring.


  171. hussein toasterhead says:

    Supreme Says:

    Who is this Trajan you clowns think I am? As for your Muslim buddies, Too Bad! China will rule them and if the act up, China will exterminate them and there’s nothing you can do. How does powerlessness feel. You are weak like America is weak. China is strong!

    July 7th, 2008 at 1:50 pm
    _____

    Oh, please. If provoked, my Muslim buddies will rise up and take over China, just like they rose up and took over Andalusia. Spain and China are nothing but weak sauce.


  172. RUCerious says:

    China, Iran Sign $2 Billion Oil Production-Total Ready to Invest $12bln in Iran’s LNG Project

    Read it here

    Well, supreme bhong hit, why would the Chinese invest billions in a country if they could just destroy and occupy it?

    Moron.


  173. Leftside Annie says:

    Lordy. We’re scrapin’ the very, very scum-encrusted bottom of the troll barrel now, aren’t we…?

    Jebus.


  174. Max-1 says:

    texaslady,
    I only said the supportin’, lovin’, and horin’ because Supreme loves China so, SO much more. I had to remind him of how he can both; support China’s child labor AND show faux patriotism. He’s already said how he hates om the troops…

    Supreme = typical Republicum
    … they love to spew all over the place.

    .


  175. barfly says:

    Oops. Looks like someone’s smacked the troll badminton over the fence into McCrabby’s yard.

    RU, isn’t it your turn to get it?

    I’ll go run around front, and ring his doorbell. Then you can climb over…


  176. pbg says:

    You know, supreme, the thing I find truly fascinating–I’m not being snarky, It’s really fascinating, is that everybody, but everybody, seems to forget that Russia even exists, let alone sits there with thousands of nuclear missiles sitting atop ICBMS capable of reaching anywhere in the world.
    You natter on about China attacking Iran and what the US would do about it. You completely ignore that enormous nuclear power to the north that has a strong relationship with Iran, not to mention a pipeline.
    (I also find it interesting that none of your opponents bring it up, either, though in a different way.
    China will not attack Iran because of Russia. Pure and simple. No vast array of heroic Red Army troops pouring over the mountains into Iran, , because Russia could atomize China within minutes.
    It continually amazes me that you’re so tremblingly afraid of Iran who maybe one day might have ONE nuclear bomb–while you simply blank on the fact of a power who really does pose an existential threat–and has shown in the past far more antipathy to us than Iran has done.
    Moreover, when you fantasize about other scenarios, Russia is simply a blnk spot.
    You hyperventilate about Iran because you’ve been told to, I understand that perfectly. I can even understand your fascist worship of China. But why you zero out on Russia, that’s really fascinating.


  177. ralph the wonder llama says:

    pbg, I think no one here brought up Russia because Supreme’s whole line of “reasoning” was so absurd, not to mention OT.

    No one really took it seriously.


  178. barfly says:

    Ah, well. All the feathers were knocked off, and the rubber had a hole it.

    Where’s a new one?


  179. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Lieberman: After Iran wipes out Israel and ‘Arab countries’ in the Middle East, ‘we’re next!’

    Ok, can someone explain to me how Iran, who have zero nuclear weapons, is going to wipe out Israel who has 100 nuclear weapons? Am I missing something here?


  180. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    “UAVs outfitted with spray tanks constitute an ideal method for launching a terrorist attack using biological weapons,” Rice said during her speech. “Iran could use these small UAVs, which have a wingspan of only a few meters, to deliver biological agents to its neighbors or, if transported, to other countries, including the United States.”

    Any country could do this assuming that they can get the UAV in this country and get the chemical and biological weapons in this country. That’s a lot of if’s for any country to pull off.

    But, then, this country is bound and determined to make Iran the next boogy man, so they are placing this fantasy attack on Iran. January 2009 can’t come soon enough. I hope this country survives until then.


  181. galmud says:

    Yeah as soon Iran makes their first couple of primitive nukes puppet president Ahmadinejad will attack Israel, the entire Arab world and the United States, and then watch Israel and the US retaliate nuking Iran back to the stone age


  182. Salmon Dave says:

    So essentially Joe Loserman is saying that Iran will attack Connecticut…….interesting….


  183. Luis M says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
    Ok, can someone explain to me how Iran, who have zero nuclear weapons, is going to wipe out Israel who has 100 nuclear weapons? Am I missing something here?

    Now, now, Israel officially doesn’t have any nuclear weapons, remember? Wink, wink

    They just silence anyone who shows proof of their officially non-existing nukes.


  184. Bilbo Hussein Baggins says:

    Supremeless Says:
    I have read, that China no longer views America and the West as a as a threat since the Left has weakened Western will to fight.

    China no longer views us as a threat because they OWN us. We will do what they want us to do or they will call in their debt and bankrupt this country. Nice place the Bush Crime Family has left us in.


  185. The Skeptical Cynic says:

    I’ve observed more rationality in one caged chimpanzees sh*t fight than in all of Joemental’s cumulative bloviating zionist blather for more than 4 years.


  186. RUCerious says:

    barfly @# 208
    ~
    RU, isn’t it your turn to get it?

    I’ll go run around front, and ring his doorbell. Then you can climb over…

    Here, take this flaming bag of dog shit with you


  187. Shayne says:

    And Lieberman is the guy who explains foreign policy to McCain.


  188. dbadass says:

    Where’d the freak go?


  189. LibertyLover says:

    Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
    Lieberman: After Iran wipes out Israel and ‘Arab countries’ in the Middle East, ‘we’re next!’

    Ok, can someone explain to me how Iran, who have zero nuclear weapons, is going to wipe out Israel who has 100 nuclear weapons? Am I missing something here?

    July 7th, 2008 at 2:30 pm

    ——

    Maybe they can borrow those balsa wood drones that Saddam was gonna attack us with.


  190. Shayne says:

    RUCerious Says:

    barfly @# 208
    ~
    RU, isn’t it your turn to get it?

    I’ll go run around front, and ring his doorbell. Then you can climb over…

    Here, take this flaming bag of dog shit with you

    Wait, I thought Supreme was the flaming bag of dog shit.


  191. ForTruth says:

    Good thing nobody really listens to Lie-berman anymore. Sheesh Joe, get a grip. How’s that dual citizenship treatin’ ya?


  192. dbadass says:

    Tracy5 Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Yeah and all of the usual players have been posting all afternoon.

    Tracy5 Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    What is the topic of this thread?


  193. k says:

    No Joe, you should be next…..just you.


  194. RandomChaos says:

    Supreme Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    shoeless,
    China isn’t Communist anymore, they are Nationalists who have a Strong country. I respect them way more than this pathetic weak nation full of wimps and losers.

    Then STFU and LEAVE. I am sure CHINA will welcome azzbites like you


  195. ForTruth says:

    What would Trashy do if everyone just ended up gettin’ along?


  196. Leftside Annie says:

    I repeat, Tracy, the scum-crusted bottom of the troll barrel. Own it, troll.

    Screw you.


  197. alimostofi says:

    Why can’t people not confuse Iranians with Seyyeds.


  198. republicanSScareme says:

    No, Joe, YOU’RE next! The Boogie Man is going to get you before the next transit of Venus and Mars.


  199. Game of Life says:

    liarman, snide sneaky grin is straight out of Chucky. Another vile repug and a broken man.

    Iranians are naturally fearful because Israel has nukes and Israelis are very unstable. I’m getting tired of the US propping up Israel. It’s unfair undeserved appeasement and gives a huge unjust advantage against its natives.

    I would be pissed too joe. you ginning jackboot.


  200. 1984 says:

    LIEberman is lying to sell another war. Sigh. Why not just join the PNACcios?



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