Flummoxed By Vietnam Vet, McCain Falsely Claims He ‘Received Every Award From Every Vets Organization’
Flummoxed By Vietnam Vet, McCain Falsely Claims He ‘Received Every Award From Every Vets Organization’
Posing the first question in a Denver town hall meeting yesterday, a Vietnam veteran challenged Sen. John McCain on his Senate voting record regarding veterans issues, remarking he had voted against increasing vets health funding four years in a row. Ignoring the veteran’s point, McCain testily — and repeatedly — insisted that he had “received every award from every major veteran’s organization in America”:
MCCAIN: I’ve received every award from every major veteran’s organization in America. I received every organization in America their awards. … The reason why I have a perfect voting record from organizations like the Veterans of Foreign Wars, the American Legion and all the other veterans service organizations is because of my support of them. [...]
VETERAN: You do not have a perfect voting record by the DAV and the VFW. That’s where these votes were recorded. These votes were proposals by your colleagues in the Senate to increase health care of the VA in 2003, 4, 5, and 6 for troops returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. And you voted against those proposals. [...]
MCCAIN: I’ve been endorsed in every election by every veterans organization that do that, I’ve been supported by them, and I’ve received their highest awards from all of those organizations. So I guess they don’t know something you know.
Watch the video, via AHiddenSaint:
McCain has made the exact same claim before — and it is just a false today as it was then. As ThinkProgress documented, McCain’s so-called “perfect” record has been roundly criticized by prominent veterans groups: He received a grade of D from the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America and a 20 percent vote rating from the Disabled Veterans of America; Vietnam Veterans of America noted McCain had “voted against us” in 15 “key votes.”
As for the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars — with whom McCain claims to have a “perfect voting record” — both groups vigorously supported Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-VA) GI Bill that McCain tirelessly opposed.
Later in the town hall, McCain admitted he does “not have a perfect voting record,” but then declared that questions about veterans issues were off limits: “I will be glad to debate a lot of things, but not that one,” McCain said.
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Liar liar pants on fire.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:27 pmI’m surprised McNasty didn’t call the vet who stood up to him a “punk.”
Or worse.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:28 pmOh, I think you will.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pmVETERAN: You do not have a perfect voting record by the DAV and the VFW. That’s where these votes were recorded.
Now you know why McCain stopped voting in the Senate. He found out that someone was recording his votes.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:29 pmanswer the question McSame
July 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pmToo bad you don’t get to decide mccphony.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:31 pm“My friends”
July 8th, 2008 at 6:34 pmYour gonna need a dramamine by the time I’m done shuffling around.
Is it just me, or does McSame seem like a real dick?
July 8th, 2008 at 6:41 pmI’ve received every award from every major veteran’s organization in America. I received every organization in America their awards. …
Have you noticed how McIIIrd says the same thing twice, just awkwardly phrased, a lot?
What’s wrong with his speech patterns?
July 8th, 2008 at 6:45 pmWhoops, looks like they’ll have to implement Bush-style town-hall chats. Ones where only rich, white documented Republicans are allowed to attend. Perhaps he’ll just stop campaigning altogether; these reality leaks are just too damn dangerous for McBush.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:47 pmLet’s let the American Legion, VFW, VVA, IAVA determine if veterans questions are off the board. If not, McIIIrd can just stand there like the dummy he truly is and just STFU when asked a veterans issue question.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:47 pmLater in the town hall, McCain admitted he does “not have a perfect voting record,” but then declared that questions about veterans issues were off limits: “I will be glad to debate a lot of things, but not that one,” McCain said
This is because he would look like he DOES NOT support the “troops” (whoever the hell that is) and the so-called media can not repeat the lie that ALL of the Military supports this fool. Look I have been a part of an organization that rewards people for not doing a damn thing, while those that do get passed over for promotions so they retire or get out. Also within that organization there are people in charge who WE would not follow to a river if we were dying of thirst. WE are taught in this organization to respect the rank, and not the man. This organization is the U.S. Army, and I am proud of mine and all who have served service. But that does not mean that those who are popular have a monopoly on that service, and NOONE’s service is more important than another’s.
The point is Mr. McCain is LYING when he says that he has a perfect voting record (which he later admitted, although I bet to a much smaller audience than when he made that claim), and is a COWARD for trying to claim that Veterans issue’s are off limits. he doesn’t want to be challenged by other Soldiers, Airmen, Sailors, and Marines, because to do so would put him and his media in a bad situation.
This is just getting ridiculous as far as the media goes with this man, and you can best believe that more and more vets will be standing up against instead of laying down like the so-called media.
RIP
July 8th, 2008 at 6:48 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 In (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
Methinks McIIIrd is easily flummoxed these days.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:48 pm“I will be glad to debate a lot of things, but not that one,” McCain said.
And I will be glad to have McCain as the President….of the local block watch, not of the United States of America.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:49 pm“Don’t tell me I’m confused, it’s my job to tell you just how confused I am”. Are you confused now?
July 8th, 2008 at 6:54 pmWow. McCain throws lies directly in the face of a veteran.
Obama campaign, are you listening…?
July 8th, 2008 at 6:55 pmMcSame loves to throw around the “veteran” word when it is to his advantage but when called out on his lack of support for veteran benefits he runs away.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:55 pmI guess he’s avoiding an imperfect voting record by having no voting record at all this year.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:56 pmOff limits? McCain has no problem using veterans as props around him, claiming they all support him, and having his staff and TV adds depict McCain as a military hero that qualifies him to be president.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:56 pm“I will be glad to debate a lot of things, but not that one,” McCain said.
I hope the complete quote of this is available, including clarification that “that one” refers to his failure to support the troops with his votes. That should make a nice negative campaign ad – and this year the Dems HAVE to run negative ads.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:58 pmMcIIIrd’s new campaign slogan
” A Flummox in every pot!”
July 8th, 2008 at 6:59 pmMcFlummox seems out of touch with reality. Don’t you just want to puke when he says something he thinks is cute and he smirks and bats his eyelashes. Maybe he is a woman trapped in a man’s body.
July 8th, 2008 at 6:59 pmAnd I hope veterans around the country show up wherever McCain does and continues to press him on his faux support of the troops. The guy will lose his temper and reveal how he is not even a fair choice for President.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:00 pmGeeze, McCain seems to lack The Right Stuff. Not exactly Chuck-Yeager-cool-as-a-cucumber under fire, eh Johnny boy?
July 8th, 2008 at 7:02 pmPatrioticLiberalChristian Says:
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And I hope veterans around the country show up wherever McCain does and continues to press him on his faux support of the troops. The guy will lose his temper and reveal how he is not even a fair choice for President.
Believe you me WE WILL be there. EVERYWHERE!!!
RIP
July 8th, 2008 at 7:04 pmSGT Stephen R. Sherman
C CO 1-5 IN (STRYKER)
KIA 3 Feb 2005
Mosul, Iraq
questions about veterans issues were off limits: “I will be glad to debate a lot of things, but not that one,” McCain said.
– - Johnny, we hardly know ye. The American people have a peculiar way of deciding for themselves what issues are or aren’t off limits. But you just stick to your unloaded guns.
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July 8th, 2008 at 7:15 pmIs this a McCain bashing website? Seriously its a waste to keep attacking this guy. He’s done, stick a fork on him. I want to discuss Progressive answers to America’s problems.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:15 pmMcSame just doesn’t understand English very well, does he?
Sorta like Bush, and he wants to be crowned king of the hill?
Don’t make me laugh.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:15 pmIf Obama doesn’t shred McDepends like yesterday’s newspaper in the upcoming debates, he is just feeling sorry for the age challenged assklown.
Such a target-rich environment!
July 8th, 2008 at 7:18 pmGonna have to have IQ tests before his townhall events, anyone over 80 need not apply.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:29 pmAs ThinkProgress documented, McCain’s so-called “perfect” record has been roundly criticized by prominent veterans groups
Ignoring the fact he was still telling the truth.
As for the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars — with whom McCain claims to have a “perfect voting record” — both groups vigorously supported Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-VA) GI Bill that McCain tirelessly opposed.
Still not denying his claim was true.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:37 pmCan McCain lie any more blatantly? The various vets groups disown him- they denounce his ideas, and are disgusted by how he votes down all measures to help vets. Over & over we see vets groups denouncing him. Is he so out of touch? Is he so stupid? Lord help the Repubs.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:37 pmIf he can’t talk about his abysmal record on veterans reights, how can we expect him to talk to the terrorists?
Oh, yeah – THAT would be “appeasement.”
July 8th, 2008 at 7:38 pmJeff Fort Says:
Is this a McCain bashing website? Seriously its a waste to keep attacking this guy. He’s done, stick a fork on him. I want to discuss Progressive answers to America’s problems.
Wow. A concern troll. What a shock.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:40 pmBuckie – I was expecting a Grampy McSame / Roman Centurion “when I was a veteran of the Gaul Wars” take.
I’m bummed.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:40 pmThe real question is how the media will treat this exchange with McCain. There are two primary issues that the press must address.
First, McCain has lied concerning his record with veteran’s organizations and must be called to account for his conduct. A press corps that ridiculed Al Gore over made up minor issues concerning inventing the internet (Gore only said that he and certain others in Congress were instrumental in founding the internet by opening up what had been a government/university system to the public), Love Story (his old roommate confirmed that Gore was indeed one of his inspirations for the male character) and other such issue. Kerry was taken to task by a press giving voice to utterly false accusations over his record in Vietnam. Now, we have McCain lying on several occasions concerning his record with veteran’s groups.
Second, McCain now says that he will not debate veteran’s issues??? Why not? McCain should be asked to explain why he gets to choose issues he will debate. Is it because he is looking bad on the issue? Or, my bet, will he come up with some BS excuse that it is unpatriotic or too emotional to discuss the matter?
July 8th, 2008 at 7:42 pm“I will be glad to debate a lot of things, but not that one,” McCain said.
Is that what he is going to tell Obama when they are in their first debate. But, then, he probably won’t have to. I suspect that all the debates will be highly controlled with the candidates (especially McCain) saying what subjects they will talk about and what subjects they won’t talk about.
I think Obama is making a mistake by not taking McCain up on his town hall proposition. He should agree to it but insist that the meetings be open to anyone who wants to attend, no invitations, first come first serve. Then he needs to insist on part of the meeting being a Lincoln-Douglas style debate where each candidate gets to ask the other a set number of questions (say 5). I’m betting that McCain will run as fast as he can away from a setup like that. But, as long as Obama refuses to meet with him in a town hall setting, he is setting himself up to look like a wimp.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pmBut..but, but, veteran’s issues, Iraq and the military are all that McCain is about. Why would he declared ‘veteran’s issues’ off the table of discussion?
July 8th, 2008 at 7:50 pmrozerze Says:
As ThinkProgress documented, McCain’s so-called “perfect” record has been roundly criticized by prominent veterans groups
Ignoring the fact he was still telling the truth.
As for the American Legion and the Veterans of Foreign Wars — with whom McCain claims to have a “perfect voting record” — both groups vigorously supported Sen. Jim Webb’s (D-VA) GI Bill that McCain tirelessly opposed.
Still not denying his claim was true.
Rog2,
Your last post made NO sense. The statements you quote refute your own arguments. Try again.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:00 pmOf course such questions are “off limits” to McCain– they reveal him as the liar & hypocrite he is.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:07 pmMcCain needs a McMulligan.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:23 pmanother mcsame
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July 8th, 2008 at 8:28 pmYeah gum, but at least this version is trying a little harder than the other times.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:02 pmJohn McSame is a lying bastard. He will do or say anything to get elected President. He has no honor or shame and he knows it. I question his record on vets issues. He is no friend to veterans, he just says he is.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:14 pmCan someone list (or has someone listed) every single award from every single vet org and which ones McCain has gotten/hasn’t gotten?
July 8th, 2008 at 9:16 pmHe can’t speak; he can’t think on his feet; he doesn’t let the truth get in the way of what he’s saying:
An eight-year deja vu.
And still, the worry is that Karl Rove and Company will find a way to fix more than just the Ohio voting machines, like last time.
Keep talkin’, Sen. McCain: The more the uninformed hear you, the less likely even Rove can save your efforts.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:43 pmVeterans issues are “off limits”????? Just like that. How come LYING isn’t off limits?
Republicans, pfffft!!!!
July 8th, 2008 at 9:44 pmAs far as McCain and Bush are concerned, the troops are simply cannon fodder. He and Dubya don’t support Jim Webb’s GI Bill. According to them, if you educate the troops, they’ll leave the military.
I availed myself of the GI bill to get my masters degree at night school. All our men and women in uniform should be able to do the same.
And speaking as a DAV lifetime member, I can assure you that Mc Cain gets a low rating from the DAV every year. It boggles my mind that an Annapolis graduate and retired officer opposes Webb’s GI Bill.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:26 amMcCain is a BS artist. He’ll say whatever he has to to get elected, like all Republicans. I seriously doubt if our respected mass media will carry this story in depth, if at all.
I’ll vote for Obama and keep my fingers crossed.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:30 amI’m surprised the old coot didn’t have the vet led away in handcuffs like they did the librarian. I can just imagine the old prume having a coniption fit after the event backstage, “goddamn security, they let in one of those whack jobs from the left. How dare they, heads will roll!”
July 9th, 2008 at 8:33 amSo veteran support issues are off limits. Reporters need to “earn” a spot in the front of Cyndy’s jet if they want that coveted access to McCant. Only obvious supporters are allowed to attend open forum town hall meetings, others will be turned away or arrested. Now we here that his campaign is screening callers questions on conference press calls. Straight Talk my ass! This bitter old man has adopted Herr Bush’s tactic of avoiding face to face confrontations with anyone who disagrees with him. McCant is rapidly forming his very own GOP bubble. It also seems as though the only veterans that McCant supports are veterans from Vietnam and earlier. If you are a veteran that served in any conflict after Vietnam, McCant says you can go Cheney yourself!
July 9th, 2008 at 8:45 amBetween Maliki’s latest assertions of preferring a timeline for withdrawal of troops from Iraq, Pakistan’s continued acts that go directly against their ally America’s interests, McCains abyssmal voting record on veterans issues and lockstep voting record in support of Bush, the three major issues that McCant feels secure in (foreign affairs, veterans and that whole maverick charade) are starting to show many stress cracks. His pathetic attempts to portray himself as the saviour of our economy are laughable. I hope when he has his inevitable anger fit/breakdown that their are various cameras rolling from different angles.
July 9th, 2008 at 8:56 amI think in psychology class this type of rationalization is called cognitive dissonance
July 9th, 2008 at 9:00 amWas this the same “Town Hall Meeting” where the 60 year old librarian was escorted OUT and given a ticket for trespassing on PUBLIC property because she had a sign stating “McCain=Bush”???? hummm – so now she has a court appearance to defend FREE SPEECH and maybe ASSEMBLY by attending a McBush Town Meeting. . . . check Progressiveaction dot org for details and to contribute to her defense fund . . best $10 I’ve spent this week . . .
and by the way THIS VIET VET give this poser NO credit for supporting Veteran’s Benefits . . . the “McCain G.I. Bill” would consist of a handshake, a list of lonely rich old ladies phone numbers and a couple Discount Coupons for a Divorce Attorney . . .
July 9th, 2008 at 5:23 pmWhere’s Waldo McShame:
In the movie Men in Black, the villain breaks out of his humanoid facade and shows himself as the cockroach he really is. This is only July and McCain’s shell is already starting to crack. People are not going to like what they see when what’s inside McCain fully emerges . I read within the last few weeks a prediction of some off the walls things to happen. One is that McCain will resign from the race before November. In Vietnam he said every man has his breaking point and he had his. It is now sounding like such a scenario could happen. One critical question too many – he blows his cool, lashes out physically at someone obviously weaker than he. He can not cope when confronted with power. It’s better that he break now- can you imagine waking up this nutcake as president at 3:00 AM
July 9th, 2008 at 10:10 pmAll vet groups sure don’t support the creep. see:
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=navclient&aq=t&ie=UTF-8&rls=GGLJ,GGLJ:2006-39,GGLJ:en&q=john+mccain%2c+songbird%2c+traitor
July 9th, 2008 at 10:37 pmGood job, Ali. We really need to chip away at the myth that is McCain.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:12 pmIf being tortured for 5+ years by the North Vietnamese qualifies McCain for the presidency, then there are more than 250 current and former Gitmo detainees from Afganistan who are qualified to be the next Afgan president.
July 10th, 2008 at 1:10 pmJeff Fort Says:
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Is this a McCain bashing website? Seriously its a waste to keep attacking this guy. He’s done, stick a fork on him. I want to discuss Progressive answers to America’s problems.
Jeff Fort…you seem to be missing the point. John McCain IS one of America’s problems…or he will be if he becomes your president…or worse, when his running mates becomes president after he dies in office!!!!
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