Petraeus prohibits phrase ‘We’re winning’ in connection with Iraq.
Petraeus prohibits phrase ‘We’re winning’ in connection with Iraq.
During a washingtonpost.com chat today, CBS News foreign correspondent Kimberly Dozier — who was severely injured from a car bombing in Iraq in 2006 — said that she “understand[s] from folks in Baghdad that Gen. Petraeus won’t let folks use words like ‘triumph’ or ‘victory’ or say ‘we’re winning.’” Will Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — who frequently claims that “we are winning in Iraq” — and his allies Sens. Lindsey Graham (R-SC) and Joe Lieberman (I-CT) take Petraeus’s advice? Probably not:
Graham: “We’re winning because John McCain understood Iraq better than anybody else.” [CBS, 7/06/08]
Lieberman: “Now, his policy is working. Iraq is succeeding.” [ABC, 7/06/08]
McCain: “Senator Obama refuses to acknowledge we are winning in Iraq. He refuses. He called it spin. Is General Petraeus spinning the American people? I don’t think so. I don’t think so.” [MSNBC, 6/13/08]
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smart move on his part.
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July 8th, 2008 at 7:20 pmHow does McDepends and Lindseed define winning in a 3 way civil and religious war?
Just saying so doesn't make it so. Sorry about that, Johnny Boy!
July 8th, 2008 at 7:26 pmCuz we're NOT winning! This war was un-winnable from the start -- and BushCo knew it.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:32 pmPetraeus prohibits phrase ‘We’re winning’ in connection with Iraq.
The only phrase Petraeus allows is "We're spending in Iraq." As in, money, time, lives and our international reputation.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:33 pmI think they meant to say, "We're Spinning on Iraq."
Now that would be true.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:34 pmGhost of SGT Stephen R. Sherman Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 7:37 pm
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July 8th, 2008 at 7:38 pmBullshit, you f cuking troll. You should be ashamed of yourself.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:41 pmWe cannot win in Iraq because the reason went invaded Iraq was because of WMD. No WMD were found. Mission Failed.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:44 pmTp is dumb.She is probably over stating that the term is "banned" by patreus anyway, but wether mccain says it is irrelevant.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:45 pmrozerze is clearly dumb; we have proof
July 8th, 2008 at 7:46 pmUh huh, ToF comes around here SO often (not) that you think your trolling is safe.
If what you're saying is true, get yourself a different moniker.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:47 pmThat said...so are U.S. commanders, with so many false dawns when it looked like the violence was down, and political change was taking hold. I understand from folks in Baghdad that Gen. Petraeus won't let folks use words like "triumph" or "victory" or say "we're winning." The most they'll venture is "we're aiming for irreversible momentum." I hope they get there soon--for my friends from the day of the bombing who are back there on the ground, for everyone serving on what feel like endless rotations, and for all the Iraqis living through it all day by day.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:48 pmrozydozy2 = irrelevant
July 8th, 2008 at 7:49 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
We cannot win in Iraq because the reason went invaded Iraq was because of WMD. No WMD were found. Mission Failed
Nice way of admitting were winning, but a dumb way.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:50 pm"Fragile and reversible"
Isn't that what Crock-her and Betrayus kept spouting last Freidman Unit update?
Doesn't sound like "winning" to me.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pmWe can't win in Iraq and we are not winning in Iraq. Fact
July 8th, 2008 at 7:51 pmGhost of SGT Stephen R. Sherman Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 7:49 pm
I guess you better get ToF on the phone, huh? Until then FLAGGED.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:52 pmrozerze Says:
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
We cannot win in Iraq because the reason went invaded Iraq was because of WMD. No WMD were found. Mission Failed
Nice way of admitting were winning, but a dumb way.
Hey troll, your thought processes are out of whack. Why don't you step away from your computer for a while. You are making a total ass out of yourself.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:55 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
violence and deaths are down signifigantly, FACT.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:55 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
rozerze Says:
Nice way of admitting were winning, .
We can’t win in Iraq and we are not winning in Iraq. Fact
Perhaps this idiot troll can tell us how you can win an occupation. Because that is what Iraq is. We are occupying a foreign country against their will. There is no way you can win an occupation short of exterminating every human being in that country. Is that what you want us to do idiot troll?
July 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pmMen and women are STILL dying. FACT
Political instability still exists. FACT
No WMD found. FACT.
No ties to 9/11. FACT.
No ties to terrorism. FACT.
Iraq = Failure. FACT
July 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pmEven IF (very big IF) we are "winning" in Iraq, we are winning one battle and losing the war. 1) There is a greater terrorist threat than before the Iraq "War"/battle began. 2) America is more hated in the world than before. 3)We have monstrous debt and our economy is very near a point of free fall. 4) Worst of all--the human toll--ours and theirs.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:57 pmrozerze Says:
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
violence and deaths are down signifigantly, FACT.
Violence and deaths are down significantly because genocide that has taken place in and around Baghdad, the cease fire called by al Sadar and last but certainly not least, we are paying them to not shoot at us. FACT.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:59 pmThe only "win" was the real reason for this Iraq mess to begin with--that was Bush "winning" the re-election of 2004. In the end, there will be no freedom, no WMD, no oil, no democracy, and no peace--the whole thing was a stinking, lying mess--Bush's legacy.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:59 pmrozerze Says:
Tp is dumb.She is probably over stating that the term is “banned” by patreus anyway, but wether mccain says it is irrelevant.
My freaking dog has better grammar and spelling than this..
U R STUPID....as in LOW IQ....go back to school and get off the net.
July 8th, 2008 at 7:59 pmZooey,
I just flagged you back.
- - Gawd, I think it was a euphemism.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:00 pmracist_rogs is looking for a URL from 1998 about Saddam dry humping a donkey.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:00 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
Men and women are STILL dying. FACT
Political instability still exists. FACT
this has no relevance to the fact that progress is being made.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:01 pm#Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Men and women are STILL dying. FACT
Political instability still exists. FACT
No WMD found. FACT.
No ties to 9/11. FACT.
No ties to terrorism. FACT.
Iraq = Failure. FACT
You forgot:
July 8th, 2008 at 8:01 pmAQ stronger than ever. FACT.
More terrorists being created every day. FACT.
rozerze Says:
Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Men and women are STILL dying. FACT
Political instability still exists. FACT
this has no relevance to the fact that progress is being made.
Then perhaps you can tell us what "progress" has been made other than the fact that slightly less soldiers are dying today than were before the escalation of troops.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:02 pmGhost of SGT Stephen R. Sherman Says:
July 8th, 2008 at 7:56 pm
This is the same f ucking troll from last year. No relative of a dead service member would take on a moniker like that -- and they would honor that service member's LIFE, not their death.
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July 8th, 2008 at 8:05 pmMcAin et al only like Patraeus when they can bash Dems because of him., They don't like him or honor him unless it fits their agenda. Hopefully he will realize this & be more honest.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:05 pmActually Al-Qaeda has been weakened.
Hmm, 16 intelligence agencies disagree with ya there Ghostie...
July 8th, 2008 at 8:07 pmHas anyone forgotten that even the UN believed that Iraq had WMD?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:08 pmAmazing how short people's memories are now a days.
"Progress" was not the reason for invading this country. The reason was WMD, terrorism, and 9/11.
Men and women are STILL dying. FACT
July 8th, 2008 at 8:11 pmPolitical instability still exists. FACT
No WMD found. FACT.
No ties to 9/11. FACT.
No ties to terrorism. FACT.
Iraq = Failure. FACT
Can we agree that the Iraq situation is a very complicated situation?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:12 pmFLAGGED linking to porn
July 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pmCook~
July 8th, 2008 at 8:13 pmHave you forgotten that there were UN inspectors looking for those WMD that would have liked to continue looking but were stopped by Bush?
Have you forgotten that the reason so many people 'believed' in the UN is that Colin Powell was sent to swear up and down that we knew they were there and we knew where to find them?
Have you forgotten that Rummie said they were in the 'North, South, West and East... ?'
I remember you guys telling me I was stupid for doubting the existence of WMD and that we HAD to attack ASAP to get them... I remember that real well...
Ghost of SGT Stephen R. Sherman Says:
Name a major Al-Qaseda recently?
Al-Qaseda-dilla.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:14 pmApparently you are making up your own "facts". The UN inspectors never concluded there were WMD. Plus, the UN didn't demand that Iraq was invaded, herr dubyah demanded this war.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:15 pmHuh...what's wrong with you people? We're winning in Iraq. In fact, we've been winning since March 2003! The Iraq occupation is such a plus for America that we just may stay and keep winning for another 5/10/100 years! I dare anyone to say we're losing then!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:22 pmWe shocked and awed the country, destroyed schools, water, sewer, power, hospitals, bridges, important archeological sites, spread a lot of depleted uranium around and are in the process of bankrupting our own country for the benefit of a few contractors, we have sacrificed over four thousand of our own people, maimed thousands more, displaced millions of Iraqi citizens, payed money to get various groups to stop attacking, depleted our military, destroyed the credibility of the USA, tried our best to privatize the National Iraqi oil into corporate hands. If this what Republicans consider winning, I'd hate to think what their idea of losing would look like.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:30 pmWe are winning in Iraq. Deaths are down 80%. We have to fight them there in order to not fight them here.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:37 pmSo, all the Kurds killed by Sadam don't matter?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:38 pmOh yeah, I forgot tom mention we sank so low as to use torture which pretty much precludes any further winning. Iraq will be our disgrace for at least a century. Thanks, GOP.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:38 pmSadam's tyrannical bent didn't seem to bother Rumsfeld.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:41 pmIt obviously doesn't bother you.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pmA country beat into submission is not a victory for anybody.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:43 pmCook Says:
Has anyone forgotten that even the UN believed that Iraq had WMD?
Amazing how short people’s memories are now a days.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:08 pm
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If you mean the UN Security Council, that's only because someone with the international stature of Colin Powell stood before the UNSC and blatantly LIED to them about Iraq's WMD.
Our intelligence agencies, however, knew that Iraq had NO WMD CAPABILITY
July 8th, 2008 at 8:44 pmCook Says:
So, all the Kurds killed by Sadam don’t matter?
July 8th, 2008 at 8:38 pm
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Nope - we got what we paid for. Those Kurds are pretty dangerous dudes, you know. Ask the Armenians!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pmSo our killing of thousands of innocents in Latin America doesn't bother you.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pmAgain your wrong, but their is no amount of facts that will convince you other wise. Time to eat. So everyone have a good night!!
July 8th, 2008 at 8:45 pmBesides the Kurds were protected by the no fly zone.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:47 pmCook Says:
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Has anyone forgotten that even the UN believed that Iraq had WMD?
Amazing how short people’s memories are now a days.
Um, and who told the UN this? You left out the part about BushCo making them beleive it.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:47 pmGeez, talk about Memory Lapse, you related to McTurd?
How dare somebody else do the killing. That's the job of the USA.
July 8th, 2008 at 8:49 pmThanks for getting rid of the porn-peddler and "Ghost" troll, TP. :-)
July 8th, 2008 at 8:59 pmThe horrendous things that Sadam did, in no way excuses the horrendous things we have done.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:00 pmHas anyone forgotten that even the UN believed that Iraq had WMD?
~Cook
And apparently you have forgotten the other members of Security Council insisted resolution #1441 didn't grant the US the use of force against Iraq, and that they threatened to vote down a US-sponsored resolution to allow said use of force -the very reason why the Bush administration refused to go to the UN again to get another vote by the Security Council on this.
In other words, the UN Security Council didn't drink the kool-aid re those pesky fictitious WMD, the Bush administration had a hissy fit and decided to go with a "coalition of the willing" (does that trigger any memories? How about Rumsfeld's "Old Europe"? No?)
Amazing how short people’s memories are now a days.
Indeed. Specially those, like you, who don't pay attention. You'd do better stop drinking the kool-aid. It can permanently damage your brain, if it hasn't already.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:03 pmThe idiot trolls can't even read their own side. Petraeus knows that "winning" is getting out with the fewest possible additional casualties and Bushco doesn't have enough integrity to begin the inevitable withdrawal.
And how does "decreased casualties" stand up when April was the highest in nearly a year and June saw more casualties than May and March combined? How about the fact that casualties, military and civilian, were higher in the second quarter of '08 than the first and approached the same levels from the previous year. Did the success of the surge begin and end in May?
When someone spouts "decreased casualties" they are referring to a condition which existed for a month.
July 8th, 2008 at 9:09 pmPresident Bush is a COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA says:
I AM a TRAITOR to the USA, and deserve the PENALTY for TREASON in "wartime".
My WHOLE FAMILY are all TRAITORS, and we will BURN in HELL for ETERNITY.
Along with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, already DEAD and BURNING...
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
July 8th, 2008 at 10:03 pm#44 Cook Says:
Silly whhhaaaabit, no one's suggesting the murdering of Kurds didn't matter... except you.
Besides, what kind of person uses the vulgarity of another to justify the vulgarity of his own...? Then in essence, YOU think Saddam's murdering of the Kurds was justified on some insane level because it holds some redeeming quality as a defense to the BushCo Crime Family.
Go back to your Whhhaaapublican Party and cry your pity tears there. God knows, and boy does He, your ilk is gonna need a whole lot of pity to escape hell.
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July 9th, 2008 at 1:53 amp.s. cook
... The Kurds were Iraqis, too.
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July 9th, 2008 at 1:55 amRe topic...
Are we a winnin'...
Or McCain't we a winnin'...?
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July 9th, 2008 at 1:59 amYou forgot to mention that General Pertraeus has also prohibited some other expressions like:
"Who got us into this mess?"
"Why did I join the Marines?"
"I should have gone to reform school."
"How does that fragging thing work now?"
"Is there anyone here who knows what they're doing?"
"Lucky thing most of these bodies are dead Iraqis."
"democracy, schmockcracy..."
And so on. There's a free brochure at the PX.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:11 amRepublicans and their shills continue to claim that the UN thought Iraq had weapons of mass destruction. That is a bald-faced lie. As someone mentioned, Colin Powell did convince the Security Council to go along with the US's claims, but the UN did have inspectors on the ground and this is what Hans Blitz of the UN said about it before the speech:
"I think the inspector should be objective, and we should answer and tell the world only what we have seen, and not tell the world that, yes, they positively have weapons of mass destruction."
Blitz was very firm in his refusal to say Iraq had WMDs.
They also keep claiming that "all the world's intelligence agencies" agreed that Iraq had WMDs. But the only Ace in this deck is the assumption of a nuclear WMD.
Iraq was known to have used biological and chemical WMDs in the past, so no self-respecting intelligence agency would not agree that IRAQ "had" chemical and biological weapons. We also have to deal with the likelihood that that capability was given to Iraq by the United States to fight Iran.
By the way, with a little help from a half-witted chemist, anyone can make a biological or chemical WMD in their bathtub.
Republicans need to deal with reality and not fantasy, or else they're never going to solve their personal problems.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:06 amIs General Petraeus spinning the American people?
John, Joe, Lindsey...you want to plug in your brains before reading this.
General Petraeus did NOT SAY we were "winning the war" and in fact has specifically prohibited anyone else from saying so or face a firing squad.
Now WHO is SPINNING WHAT? DING, DING, next stop, planet Earth.
You guys are pathetic, brain dead idiots.
July 9th, 2008 at 4:05 am