Comments on: Failed advisers Mark Penn and Karen Hughes team up to counsel ‘corporations in crisis.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/ Wed, 25 Nov 2009 05:16:09 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: Cricket http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5080026 Cricket Thu, 10 Jul 2008 01:32:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5080026 Let them go. With these two putting their heads together they can finally make a complete ass out of themselves. Let them go. With these two putting their heads together they can finally make a complete ass out of themselves.

]]> By: JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078646 JaneaneTheAcerbicGoblin Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:35:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078646 This is "bipartisanship" at its finest. It's a good thing that Hillary didn't get the nomination. With people like Penn lobbying for free trade agreements and helping corporations through "tough times" AND teaming with Karen Hughes, could you really trust Hillary? Don't forget Wolfson, Hillary's former adviser, going to the "fair and balanced" Fox "News" as a commentator. This is “bipartisanship” at its finest.

It’s a good thing that Hillary didn’t get the nomination. With people like Penn lobbying for free trade agreements and helping corporations through “tough times” AND teaming with Karen Hughes, could you really trust Hillary?

Don’t forget Wolfson, Hillary’s former adviser, going to the “fair and balanced” Fox “News” as a commentator.

]]> By: barfly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078594 barfly Wed, 09 Jul 2008 17:14:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078594 I think folks are missing the salient point: after eight years of Bush/Cheney, the most lucrative business that these folks can themselves envision is one of corporate crisis management. Bush's failures, and inaction, are money in the bank to them. There's a lesson there, I just haven't yet figured out what it is... I think folks are missing the salient point: after eight years of Bush/Cheney, the most lucrative business that these folks can themselves envision is one of corporate crisis management. Bush’s failures, and inaction, are money in the bank to them. There’s a lesson there, I just haven’t yet figured out what it is…

]]> By: upside99 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078440 upside99 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:04:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078440 Molly, Right on both counts! And we could add Chertoff, Gale Norton, Gonzo and maybe another 20 or so totally incompetent and immoral Bushies to that list. This will not only go down as the Worst President, Ever, but the worst (mis)Administration, ever! Molly,

Right on both counts!

And we could add Chertoff, Gale Norton, Gonzo and maybe another 20 or so totally incompetent and immoral Bushies to that list.

This will not only go down as the
Worst
President,
Ever,

but the worst (mis)Administration, ever!

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078428 misshusseinmolly Wed, 09 Jul 2008 16:00:23 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078428 ooops -- sorry upside99. I misread your context of "F’ing ‘DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY’ ". But it DOES seem to be a good name for this new firm, doesn't it? ooops — sorry upside99. I misread your context of “F’ing ‘DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY’ “. But it DOES seem to be a good name for this new firm, doesn’t it?

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078420 misshusseinmolly Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:58:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078420 upside99 Says July 9th, 2008 at 11:48 am I wonder if they have reached out to Brownie yet? He has a F’ing ‘DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY’. Now there would be a trio we would all want to hire! ________________________________________________________ Nah -- the "F’ING DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY" wouldn't be complete until they also got Rumsfeld on board. But I think you're onto something. Just looking at the Bushbots who have demonstrated the necessary degree of incompetence over the past 7-1/2 years shows there's a huge pool of non-talent available for such a venture. upside99 Says
July 9th, 2008 at 11:48 am
I wonder if they have reached out to Brownie yet? He has a F’ing ‘DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY’. Now there would be a trio we would all want to hire!
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Nah — the “F’ING DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY” wouldn’t be complete until they also got Rumsfeld on board. But I think you’re onto something. Just looking at the Bushbots who have demonstrated the necessary degree of incompetence over the past 7-1/2 years shows there’s a huge pool of non-talent available for such a venture.

]]> By: upside99 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078384 upside99 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:48:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078384 I wonder if they have reached out to Brownie yet? He has a F'ing 'DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY'. Now there would be a trio we would all want to hire! I wonder if they have reached out to Brownie yet? He has a F’ing ‘DISASTER CONSULTING COMPANY’. Now there would be a trio we would all want to hire!

]]> By: Marie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078378 Marie Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:47:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078378 I don't get it -- We have former Clinton aides going to work for Fox. Now we have Penn teaming up with Hughes for corporate consulting?? Like they did so well in their previous posts. WTF? I don’t get it –
We have former Clinton aides going to work for Fox.
Now we have Penn teaming up with Hughes for corporate consulting?? Like they did so well in their previous posts.
WTF?

]]> By: tarazan http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078268 tarazan Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:19:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078268 Both will be looking for WMDS(Wallets ,Money & Dollars) in Washington...and they promised they know where to find them. Both will be looking for WMDS(Wallets ,Money & Dollars) in Washington…and they promised they know where to find them.

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078238 MapleStreet Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:10:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078238 There was a Dilbert cartoon where Dogbert figured out that the path to stellar success was to fail. If you take on a project and succeed, no one notices. But if you fail, everyone notices you. And oddly, the bigger the failure, the bigger the boost you get. There was a Dilbert cartoon where Dogbert figured out that the path to stellar success was to fail. If you take on a project and succeed, no one notices. But if you fail, everyone notices you. And oddly, the bigger the failure, the bigger the boost you get.

]]> By: km4 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078234 km4 Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:09:16 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078234 Now all we need is Carly ( the fakester ) Fiorina to join Mark Penn and Karen Hughes and we'll have a complete asshat triumvirate ! Now all we need is Carly ( the fakester ) Fiorina to join Mark Penn and Karen Hughes and we’ll have a complete asshat triumvirate !

]]> By: Zimzone http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078226 Zimzone Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:04:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078226 Reportedly, Hughes will be wearing a Burka to work now. IMHO, Penn should wear one, too. Reportedly, Hughes will be wearing a Burka to work now.

IMHO, Penn should wear one, too.

]]> By: 5th Estate http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078224 5th Estate Wed, 09 Jul 2008 15:03:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078224 Conventional wisdom says that private money influence on public politics corrupts the political system---representatives are bought and sold by special interests and the public gets screwed every time. But this is an illustration of another pernicious influence on politics that goes unnoticed--the influence of the <strong>professional political consultant. </strong> These people are utterly amoral, without conscience, conviction or principle. Why would two such people supposedly possessing such opposite political views team-up? Because they are in fact mercernaries. They don;t give a shit about policies, about right and wrong, about democracy and responsibility and public service and the common good. To them politics is a game and a gravy train with high rewards and zero responsibility. They get paid by donor dollars, win or lose and win or lose their"experience" still qualifies them for another job in the same field of lying and distortion and manipulation. That's what they do, that's all they do and their campaign advice and strategies help keep the electorate stupid, informed, confused, exasperated and limited in their choices and their ability to make a reasoned decision on incredibly important matters with real consequences. PS. Did you know karen Hughes wrote Romance novels? Here's a link to something I wrote about Karen;s qualifications 2 years ago, if you care to look--scroll about halfway down to get to Karen's works of art. http://at5thestate.blogspot.com/2006/07/bushs-memoirs-what-i-did-on-my.html Conventional wisdom says that private money influence on public politics corrupts the political system—representatives are bought and sold by special interests and the public gets screwed every time.
But this is an illustration of another pernicious influence on politics that goes unnoticed–the influence of the professional political consultant.

These people are utterly amoral, without conscience, conviction or principle. Why would two such people supposedly possessing such opposite political views team-up? Because they are in fact mercernaries. They don;t give a shit about policies, about right and wrong, about democracy and responsibility and public service and the common good. To them politics is a game and a gravy train with high rewards and zero responsibility. They get paid by donor dollars, win or lose and win or lose their”experience” still qualifies them for another job in the same field of lying and distortion and manipulation. That’s what they do, that’s all they do and their campaign advice and strategies help keep the electorate stupid, informed, confused, exasperated and limited in their choices and their ability to make a reasoned decision on incredibly important matters with real consequences.

PS. Did you know karen Hughes wrote Romance novels?

Here’s a link to something I wrote about Karen;s qualifications 2 years ago, if you care to look–scroll about halfway down to get to Karen’s works of art.

http://at5thestate.blogspot.com/2006/07/bushs-memoirs-what-i-did-on-my.html

]]> By: moondancer http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078216 moondancer Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:57:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078216 Wow Hughes converted the entire Muslim world to American Christianity and Penn finished Clintons march to the White House. So what next? Save foundering corporations, gee I wouldn't pay them to shovel the drive. Wow Hughes converted the entire Muslim world to American Christianity and Penn finished Clintons march to the White House. So what next? Save foundering corporations, gee I wouldn’t pay them to shovel the drive.

]]> By: konchster http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078204 konchster Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:52:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078204 <em>misshusseinmolly Says: The article doesn’t really give any details as to the types of crises corporations might have that this new alliance could help with. Financial crises? I didn’t know Penn and Hughes were corporate financial planners. Public relations crises? We’ve already seen how effective both Penn and Hughes have been at marketing. Crises that could be mitigated with more favorable legislation? Bingo. About the only thing this team has to offer would be who they know in Washington. </em> You've got it I think they call them lobbyists misshusseinmolly Says:
The article doesn’t really give any details as to the types of crises corporations might have that this new alliance could help with.

Financial crises? I didn’t know Penn and Hughes were corporate financial planners.

Public relations crises? We’ve already seen how effective both Penn and Hughes have been at marketing.

Crises that could be mitigated with more favorable legislation? Bingo. About the only thing this team has to offer would be who they know in Washington.

You’ve got it I think they call them lobbyists

]]> By: Game of Life http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078196 Game of Life Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:50:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078196 <em>linda Says: "But we agreed that we won't let politics interfere in our business." because mark penn has no core beliefs other than his own self-aggrandizement and ability to suck up millions of dollars in fees.</em> Thanks for the reminder. he had to get his fees although he's a total sweaty failure. I heard people aren't paying for hill's bankrupted campaign. People believed, as do I, that she stayed in the primary too long. She was a deliberate obstruction. It's her fault she'd continued on with her lost cause. It should be that she pays for her mistakes. If not it doesn't make sense. linda Says:

“But we agreed that we won’t let politics interfere in our business.”

because mark penn has no core beliefs other than his own self-aggrandizement and ability to suck up millions of dollars in fees.

Thanks for the reminder. he had to get his fees although he’s a total sweaty failure.

I heard people aren’t paying for hill’s bankrupted campaign. People believed, as do I, that she stayed in the primary too long. She was a deliberate obstruction.

It’s her fault she’d continued on with her lost cause. It should be that she pays for her mistakes. If not it doesn’t make sense.

]]> By: DieNowForPeace http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078194 DieNowForPeace Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:50:13 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078194 <strong>END THE LOBBYISTS GRIP NOW.</strong> END THE LOBBYISTS GRIP NOW.

]]> By: nerdykiss http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078190 nerdykiss Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:48:22 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078190 proof that everything is bullsh*t!!! proof that everything is bullsh*t!!!

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078188 texaslady Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:47:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078188 NO. 23 guess we are thinking on the same lines. NO. 23 guess we are thinking on the same lines.

]]> By: texaslady http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/comment-page-1/#comment-5078184 texaslady Wed, 09 Jul 2008 14:46:30 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/09/failed-advisers-mark-penn-and-karen-hughes-team-up-to-counsel-%e2%80%98corporations-in-crisis%e2%80%99/#comment-5078184 It is not advice these corporations want it is access to the ways to get government money for their companies without taxation. Oh and lets not forget corps need to know which lobbyists have the most pull with which politician. It is not advice these corporations want it is access to the ways to get government money for their companies without taxation. Oh and lets not forget corps need to know which lobbyists have the most pull with which politician.

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