ThinkFast: July 9, 2008
ThinkFast: July 9, 2008
Brave New Films and other activists will deliver a petition today with 43,000 signatures demanding that “Lieberman Must Go.” The petition, which asks that Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) be stripped of his committee chairmanship, will be delivered to the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee at 11 a.m.
Tomorrow, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) plans to introduce a single article of impeachment against President Bush “for taking our nation and our troops to war based on lies.” Last month, Kucinich presented 35 impeachment articles against Bush, which have been sent to the Judiciary Committee.
A federal judge overseeing Guantánamo Bay lawsuits ordered the Justice Department to ensure that detainees have their day in court. “The time has come to move these forward,” Judge Thomas F. Hogan said yesterday during the first hearing over whether the detainees are being held lawfully.
Iranian state-run media reported today that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard had “test-fired nine missiles, including one which Tehran claims has the range to reach Israel.” The test comes one day after Iran threatened to strike Tel Aviv and American interests if attacked by Israel or the U.S.
On the trail today: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) holds campaign events in South Park, PA and Portsmouth, Ohio. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will be in Washington, DC as the Senate votes on FISA reform, and then, he will head to New York for some fundraisers.
Steve Schmidt, aide to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), defended his lobbying firm’s hiring of Tim Griffin, a former prosecutor involved in the U.S. attorney scandal. The U.S. attorney scandal was “mostly a combination of nonsense and politics and provides us no concern at all,” he said. Griffin was “a great addition to the firm,” he added.
A new report by Inspectors General from the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs finds that many veterans “disabled in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan pay more for health care than other retirees.” They suggest “waiving for life the Medicare Part B premiums for service members who have been medically retired and are unlikely to get another job.”
Faced with mounting pressure from voters to respond to record gasoline prices, Sens. Harry Reid (D-NV) and Richard Durbin (D-IL) “opened the door to a compromise with Republicans that would open more land on and offshore to oil and gas exploration and production.” House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) also “called on the Bush administration to draw down ‘a small portion‘ of the Strategic Petroleum Reserve.
The Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most revered Shi’ite leader in Iraq, has “rejected any security agreement with US, stressing such deal will affect the country’s sovereignty.” Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie said his government was “impatiently waiting” for the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops.
And finally: Yesterday, two-time defending NASCAR Sprint Cup champion Jimmie Johnson spoke at the National Press Club. The event became “politically dicey” when the moderator asked him whether there is “anything inappropriate about a sport based on fuel consumption.” Johnson initially punted the question saying he wasn’t “fit to comment,” but then admitted that they should look at “alternative fuel sources.” Johnson also said he drives at hybrid, “even though it may sound crazy coming from a race car driver.”
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U.S. Blocks Payments To ACLU Attorneys Working At Guantanamo Bay
The U.S. government is blocking the American Civil Liberties Union from paying attorneys representing suspected terrorists held here, insisting that the ACLU must first receive a license from the U.S. Treasury Department before making the payments.
ACLU director Anthony Romero on Tuesday accused the Bush administration of “obstruction of justice” by delaying approval of the license, which the government argues is required under U.S. law because the beneficiaries of the lawyers’ services are foreign terrorists.
“Now the government is stonewalling again by not allowing Americans’ private dollars to be paid to American lawyers to defend civil liberties,” Romero said.
http://tpmmuckraker.talkingpointsmemo.com/
Since when is someone consider a foreign terrorist without a trial? They have to be found guilty first in a court of law, until then they are just detainees. Bush is using a back door around the Supreme Court ruling. Because what good will habeus corpus do for the detainees if you can’t pay your attorneys. Bush & Cheney are just immoral at the lengthest they will go to get their way.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:01 amBrave New Films and other activists will deliver a petition today with 43,000 signatures demanding that “Lieberman Must Go.” The petition, which asks that Sen. Joe Lieberman (I-CT) be stripped of his committee chairmanship, will be delivered to the Senate Democratic Steering and Outreach Committee at 11 a.m.
I just don’t think Reid will do anything about this. Joe Lieberman definitely needs to lose his seat as chairman. He has failed time and time again to put “the country’s interest before partisan interest.”
July 9th, 2008 at 9:03 amPelosi: Let Rove Slide
By MsJoanne – July 8, 2008, 11:53AM
Pam Miles of AfterDowningStreet reports that she has firm confirmation that Nancy Pelosi is urging the Judiciary committee to not hold Rove in Contempt of Congress for his blatant contempt in not showing up to evoke executive privilege. Just a glorious F.U. to any oversight. And, to the American people.
Of course, I am sure that spying on Congress (Sibel Edmonds…YOU GO GIRL!) has something to do with that.
I wrote a longer post here, so feel free to read more should you choose.
I ask you two things:
1) Call your elected officials and tell them not to let Rove off that easily. Pam has an extensive list of contact telephone numbers and you can also get all of your elected official contact information here.
And,
2) Tell me, why do YOU think the our elected officials are rolling over on all of us?
http://tpmcafe.talkingpointsmemo.com/talk/2008/07/pelosi-let-rove-slide.php
**Somebody better explain what is going on (and it sure as hell better be a good explanation) before I go completely crazy. Except for a handful of Dems that still have some integrity and respect for the rule of law, I can’t tell the difference between them and the repugs. This explanation better include information that what the current administration will do in retaliation for not supporting their fascist behavior is so much worse that many of us could even imagine that they had to allow the complete breakdown of our civil and human rights that protect us in the Constitution. I have a pretty active imagination but this has me baffled. Even the catchphrase “After Obama takes office” is not providing me with much comfort. Anyone want to take a guess at this?
Ms. Joanne – YOU go girl! I encourage all of you to read the all of the links in her post and call as many on the list that you can. You absolutely must read the spying on Congress link. There are so many stories/scandals that have gone on for so long now, I am afraid they might just fall by the wayside and never get resolved.
BTW, REMEMBER THE FISA VOTE TODAY AT 11 A.M. EASTERN TIME.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:03 amSteve Schmidt, aide to Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), defended his lobbying firm’s hiring of Tim Griffin, a former prosecutor involved in the U.S. attorney scandal. The U.S. attorney scandal was “mostly a combination of nonsense and politics and provides us no concern at all,” he said.
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And Tim Griffin’s voter caging operation? Was that “nonsense and politics”?
Of course not. That’s the kind of skill set the McCain camp needs to win this election. We should all be concerned.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:05 amCalifornia to shame the owners of gas-guzzlers
As if sky-rocketing petrol prices weren’t already hurting them enough, the drivers of America’s fleet of Hummers, monster trucks, and gas-guzzling SUVs are about to suffer sustained public humiliation, courtesy of the green lobby. The state of California has announced plans for all new vehicles to carry “global warming” stickers next to their number plate, giving car owners – and their fellow motorists – an instant assessment of their carbon footprint.
Under the scheme, which became law this week, a “global warming score” and “smog score” of between one and 10 will appear on green information labels. The higher each score, the more environmentally friendly the car. Right-wing commentators, who call the most popular hybrid vehicle the “Toyota Pious”, have branded the scheme as illiberal. They say it will add more bureaucracy to the state’s already bloated vehicle licensing authority.
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/california-to-shame-the-owners-of-gasguzzlers-862971.html
I absolutely love this idea. It works the same as the drinking and driving plates you get in Ohio. If you are caught you get the Yellow Plates, which you have to use on the car you always drive. If it gets people to think twice about doing the right thing, I’m all for it.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:06 amOn the Iranian test firing:
Iran sends missile test warning
Iran has test-fired what it called a new version of the Shahab-3 missile, which is capable of reaching its main regional enemy Israel, state media say.
The missile, said to have a range of 2,000km (1,240 miles), was one of nine launched from a remote desert site.
Iran has tested the Shahab-3 before, but the latest launch comes amid rising tensions with the US and Israel over the country’s nuclear programme.
The US denounced the test and called on Iran to abandon its missile programme.
(Snip)
‘Joke’
However, Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad insisted his country had no intention to attack Israel.
He also said Iran did not fear an attack by the US or Israel over its nuclear activities, dismissing the possibility as a “joke”.
Speaking during a visit to Malaysia on Tuesday, Mr Ahmadinejad said the economic, political and military situation would dissuade US President George W Bush from any such move.
The missile test came shortly after the US Treasury announced new financial sanctions on Iranian officials it suspected of involvement in the country’s nuclear programme.
Among those targeted were a senior scientist at the defence ministry, Mohsen Fakhrizadeh-Mahabadi, and three companies believed to be related to the arms industry.
The launch came as G8 leaders called for Iran to halt uranium enrichment.
Read the whole story:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7496765.stm
(The emphasis is mine.)
**When will this madness end? We have two countries pounding their chests and engaging in a dangerous pi$$ing contest while the rest of the world waits with bated breath to see who, if any one, will back down before going at it and taking the rest of the world with them.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:06 amStripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship will only cause Joe to jump the fence and caucus with the GOP, effectively changing the majority of the Senate.
Of course, it’s not like we have any real advantage with the situation the way it is now…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:07 amGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
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You forgot one:
Today the Senate is voting to end the rule of law.
I’m waiting for all those gun toting fans of the second clause of the 2nd Amendment to pick up their guns and march on Washington to defend the 4th Amendment. After all, they always claim they need their guns to defend our liberty.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:09 am“[A] combination of nonsense and politics;” yeah, that about sums up the Cheney admin, except for neglecting the looting of the common wealth, a sum over a trillion simoleans.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:10 amSen. John McCain (R-AZ) holds campaign events in South Park, PA and Portsmouth, Ohio
So McIIIrd missed another national security vote in the Senate.
And his qualifications for president are based on what?
Surely not his nonvoting record….
July 9th, 2008 at 9:11 amIt is very sad that so many (almost 30%) of our country is so uninformed and ignorant that they can be manipulated with lies designed to terrorize them into capitulating to the monied ruling class.
I guess that explains Bush, country “music”, American Idol, and SUVs too.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:14 amSen. John McCain (R-AZ) holds campaign events in South Park, PA
South Park better get on the shtick and have something by Friday on this crappy old man.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:15 amTim Griffin is a Rove-trained hack who was put in the US Attourney’s office in Arkansas so that he could produce a stream of accusations against Hilary Clinton should she become the Democratic nominee. He is also responsible for the slimiest of election fraud. It is telling that McCain would snap him up for his same-old-Republican-$hit campaign. He’s a poster-child for why McCain must not win the election. Another one.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:15 amIranian state-run media reported today that the Iranian Revolutionary Guard had “test-fired nine missiles, including one which Tehran claims has the range to reach Israel.” The test comes one day after Iran threatened to strike Tel Aviv and American interests if attacked by Israel or the U.S.
If we have 3,000 nukes, then telling Iran tha it can have none, especially when Iran has been threatened by Israel, whom we absurdly support without exception, is unrealistic.
Iran has continued to say that it will defend itself. I don’t blame it. We’d do the same thing if North Korea theatened us and China and Russia were in support of that.
The best policy is the NO ONE have nuclear weaponry. We could set the tone by destoying ours. Until then, we cannot expect other country to stop wanting to defend themselves agains a country who pre-empively attacks without reason or evidence…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:16 amOn the trail today: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) holds campaign events in South Park, PA and Portsmouth, Ohio. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) will be in Washington, DC as the Senate votes on FISA reform, and then, he will head to New York for some fundraisers.
So, McBush isn’t going to bother to show up and vote on the FISA bill he so ardently supports. I have to wonder why conservatives are OK with this. Even though Obama’s vote on the FISA bill is going to infuriate a lot of his supporters, at least he is man enough to make his vote. Whereas McBush is nothing but a coward. He figures if he doesn’t vote on a bill he can’t be held accountable for the bill.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:17 amI know the proto-fascisti don’t believe in talking to anyone unless it’s down their collective nose, but couldn’t they get the Iranians to strap Holy Joe to one of their test missiles? Joe could sing, “Nearer My Lord to Thee” the whole way. This would save them the embarrassment of having their Trojan Horse stripped of his committee chairs while sale of the resultant video would surely net millions for the RNC which it could then use for memory lessons for Saint John. C’mon guys, think outside the box.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:18 amThe U.S. attorney scandal was “mostly a combination of nonsense and politics and provides us no concern at all,” he said. Griffin was “a great addition to the firm,” he added.
Of course Griffin is a good addition to their firm. He’s a good little fascist and that’s the kind of people they need. Certainly not people with integrity.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:19 ammisshusseinmolly Says: Stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship will only cause Joe to jump the fence and caucus with the GOP, effectively changing the majority of the Senate.
They can’t allow ‘what if’ to stop them from doing teh right thing. He is an Independent who endorses McCain, therefore he should have no authority in the Democratic Party.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:19 amI’m really sick of Harry Reid. After the election, he’s got to go. He has no idea how to use the power of the majority to PREVENT AWFUL LEGISLATION! Stupid things like off-shore drilling should be absolute non-starters, not things that he allows to come to the floor and then quietly votes against.
For six years we were shunted to the basement and had our mikes cut off, and he wants to play patty-cake! He’s got to go.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:19 amFaced with mounting pressure from voters to respond to record gasoline prices, Sens. Harry Reid (D-NV) and Richard Durbin (D-IL) “opened the door to a compromise with Republicans that would open more land on and offshore to oil and gas exploration and production.”
OMG, are these people ever going to stop caving to the Republicans. The way they act, one would think that the Republicans were still running the show. I’d like to know what “voters” are pressuring them to drill offshore. I’m betting it isn’t Democratic voters and why in the hell do they care about the Republican voters who got us into this mess in the first place?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:20 amJohnson initially punted the question saying he wasn’t “fit to comment,” but then admitted that they should look at “alternative fuel sources.” Johnson also said he drives at hybrid, “even though it may sound crazy coming from a race car driver.”
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I remember that during the 1970’s this question came up a fair amount. NASCAR defended their sport by comparing the amount of gasoline used in their races to other sports — pointing out things like the amount of jet fuel required to fly professional teams for other sports around the country to their games, for instance. They also claimed that even if racing stopped completely the amount of gasoline saved was insignificant enough that it wouldn’t change gas prices, and they were probably right.
Just as it’s obscene to some people that we have eating contests in this country while people are starving elsewhere, the number of hot dogs saved by banning eating contests probably wouldn’t make much difference.
I think Jimmie Johnson may be onto something when he talks about alternative fuel sources. NASCAR would be an ideal arena to showcase new fuel technology to a large audience. If people could see that hybrid cars and cars fueled by alternative fuels can still go fast and perform well, it might make more progress toward us getting off the petroleum teat.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:21 amNot one word on FISA / Telcom immunity, TP?
You folks know full well that topic is the ‘hot button’ on this blog. Yet, you remain silent on this.
WHY?
As Shoeless points out, the 4th amendment is as ‘holy’ as the 2nd. Why is TP mute on such an important moment in history?
At the very least, a list of Senators & which way they will most likely vote could be presented so bloggers could contact their Congress Critters prior to this morning’s vote.
This smells a lot like Pelosi’s MO; worry about consequences for doing the right thing, rather than standing proud & do it.
WTF?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:21 amFaced with mounting pressure from voters to respond to record gasoline prices
Sorry, I misread what it said. So my question is, why do they think that opening up to offshore drilling is going to help the price of gasoline today? If they really wanted to do something about the price of gasoline today they would do something about stopping the energy speculators. They need to close the “Enron loophole”. I wonder why they aren’t doing it. This group of Democrats we have in Congress has to be the sorriest lot we have ever had.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:23 amSen. John McCain hasn’t had good luck joking about Iran. But he tried it again Tuesday.
Responding to a question about a survey that shows increased exports to Iran, mainly from cigarettes, McCain said, “Maybe thats a way of killing them.”
He quickly caught himself, saying “I meant that as a joke” as his wife, Cindy, poked him in the back.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/08/mccains-latest-iran-dud-m_n_111553.html
July 9th, 2008 at 9:23 amJohnson also said he drives at hybrid.
Can anyone tell me how this is done?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:24 amA new report by Inspectors General from the Departments of Defense and Veterans Affairs finds that many veterans “disabled in the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan pay more for health care than other retirees.”
Now why would you think this is happening. Could it be that the Bush administration has no respect for the men and women who are putting their lives on the line for his vanity war?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:24 amExactly what benefit do the people of Arizona have as McMiniMe being their senator? The man hasn’t voted since April, yet he continues to draw his Senate salary.
I believe if one runs for higher office, they forfeit their present office and pay! And yes, that applies to anyone from any party.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:26 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: If they really wanted to do something about the price of gasoline today they would do something about stopping the energy speculators. They need to close the “Enron loophole”. I wonder why they aren’t doing it. This group of Democrats we have in Congress has to be the sorriest lot we have ever had.
I suspect that the DINOs are receive just as many campaign contributions from Big Oil as are the Republicans, making them just as beholden to serving the Big Oil Companies rather than the American people.
If they started alternative, clean and green energy NOW, we’d have it in a few years. Yet, they do nothing. I am beginning to wonder if they will fight Obama as President to serve Big Oil too…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:27 amJoe LIEberman has a net value of ZERO to anyone but Repukes.
Joe is a zero, contributes nothing but rhetoric and should be thrown out with the dishwater.
missmolly’s right, of course. Stripping him of his committee ships will only move the majority further to the right in the Senate.
I think he should be flogged in public, preferably in Tel Aviv.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:30 amThe Grand Ayatollah Ali Sistani, the most revered Shi’ite leader in Iraq, has “rejected any security agreement with US, stressing such deal will affect the country’s sovereignty.” Iraqi National Security Adviser Mowaffak al-Rubaie said his government was “impatiently waiting” for the complete withdrawal of U.S. troops.
It’s about time that Iraq became concerned about their sovereignty. Since they have figured out that the only reason why we are there is to steal their oil, they now need us to get the hell out of their country.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:30 amWow, the American gov’t spying on it’s own people…never thought I would see the day….but I guess the rise and declines of empires in history apply to all countries, not matter invincible they may be.
Why aren’t people more outraged??? Especially the conservatives??? They used to be a group who distrusted the gov’t the most…now they are a group who fully embrace the abuses of gov’t. It’s bizarre.
The conservative movement has been hijacked by political terrorists and only few probably realize it. True conservatives that is.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:32 amNew York Times On McCain Economics: No You Can’t
John McCain and his shadow army of “Nobel laureate economists” may be of the belief that the GOP nominee’s economic plans – which the nominee himself can’t seem to provide a straight answer on when pressed – will be the cure for what ails a staggering economy, but the New York Times’ Robert Pear threw a wet blanket all over McCain’s grand design today, bluntly stating: “The package of spending and tax cuts proposed by Senator John McCain is unlikely to achieve his goal of balancing the federal budget by 2013, economists and fiscal experts said Monday.”
It’s not the first time that McCain, who famously admitted that “the issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should” has run afoul of those who do possess that understanding. During the primary season, there was nary an economist to be found that was willing to put their name to the notion that the “gas tax holiday” the candidate supported made even a lick of sense. Similarly, an attempt by The Huffington Post’s Sam Stein to find anyone with real-world expertise to agree with the Arizona Senator that his plan to resolve rising gas prices with offshore drilling was sound proved to be “impossible.”
In addition to noting the unlikelihood of McCain balancing the budget, Pear uncovered flaws in numerous other facets of McCain’s strategy. Pear found McCain’s commitment to “hold overall spending growth to 2.4 percent a year” to be a “tall order because federal spending has been growing an average of more than 6 percent a year in the last five years.” As far as McCain’s claim that money could be saved through a ruthless war on earmarks, Pear noted that the savings would be minuscule: “The Bush White House says earmarks this year total $17 billion, a comparatively small share of a $2.9 trillion budget.” And McCain’s lack of a plan for how to “slow the growth of Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid,” was also highlighted.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/08/inew-york-timesi-on-mccai_n_111529.html
July 9th, 2008 at 9:33 amAnd the beat goes on
To say that I hope that Mrs. Pelosi’s glossy career gets cut by the anti-war mom is an UNDERSTATEMENT!
To HELL with you, Nancy!
You know what else we don’t need? Barack Obama lecturing US, like we’re the party that needs to be straightened out, that “Guvmint is not the solution to everything.”
We don’t need to “compromise” or “run to the right-of-center.” We want the platform to implement policies TO THE LEFT, and it seems that the only real dem these days resides in a northeastern district in Ohio.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:36 am#25 Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Faced with mounting pressure from voters to respond to record gasoline prices
Sorry, I misread what it said. So my question is, why do they think that opening up to offshore drilling is going to help the price of gasoline today? If they really wanted to do something about the price of gasoline today they would do something about stopping the energy speculators. They need to close the “Enron loophole”. I wonder why they aren’t doing it. This group of Democrats we have in Congress has to be the sorriest lot we have ever had.
Good Morning Bilbo :)
They need to do that with corn also. It is driving up the price. If speculation limits were imposed in the right way, the prices would probably drop overnight.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:36 amFreedom Rebel Says:
Bush is using a back door around the Supreme Court ruling. Because what good will habeas corpus do for the detainees if you can’t pay your attorneys. Bush & Cheney are just immoral at the lengthiest they will go to get their way.
Well I guess it’s time for a federal judge to smack Boy George down once again. Doesn’t he realize how ridiculous this makes him look. He’s like a petulant little boy who doesn’t want his toys (the so-called enemy combatants) taken away from him.
January 2009 can’t come soon enough.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:39 amNancy Pelosi = 21st century Betty Crocker
She spends more time putting on makeup than doing her f’n job.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:40 amFreedom Rebel Says:
I just don’t think Reid will do anything about this. Joe Lieberman definitely needs to lose his seat as chairman. He has failed time and time again to put “the country’s interest before partisan interest.”
At this point in time it makes no difference if Holy Joe caucuses with the Democrats. The obstructionist Republicans (they have hit a new record for number of filibusters in one session) aren’t going to allow the Democrats to pass any legislation before Obama takes office. The Democrats might as well get rid of Joe today. It won’t take away Harry Reid’s position, even though I’m not sure that matters.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:41 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says
July 9th, 2008 at 9:23 am
So my question is, why do they think that opening up to offshore drilling is going to help the price of gasoline today?
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Two words: ELECTION YEAR. Both parties know that gasoline prices is an issue that resonates with every voter, and everyone running for re-election desperately wants something in their campaign arsenal that allows them to claim they are doing something about it. Even though they know that drilling won’t do a thing to lower the price of gasoline, they are counting on Joe Voter to believe that it will.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:42 amDutch health system rated best, U.S. worst
NEW YORK, July 7 (Reuters Life!) – Americans are the least satisfied with their health care system, while the Dutch system is rated the best, according to new research.
Polls about health care in 10 developed countries by Harris Interactive revealed a range of opinions about what works and what doesn’t.
In the United States a third of Americans believe their system needs to be completely overhauled, while a further 50 percent feel that fundamental changes need to be made.
“Given that all countries other than the U.S. have universal health care systems in place, this may invite questions on why the U.S. remains the only wealthy, industrialized country without such a system,” Harris president George Terhanian told Reuters.
In the Netherlands, where health care is financed by mandatory health insurance, 42 percent of people think their system works well and needs only minor changes.
http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N07438178.htm
July 9th, 2008 at 9:43 am#35 McWars Says:
We don’t need to “compromise” or “run to the right-of-center.” We want the platform to implement policies TO THE LEFT, and it seems that the only real dem these days resides in a northeastern district in Ohio.
Good Morning McWars :)
We just need to clone about 100 of Dennis and most of our problems would be solved. I hope we make a clean sweep in November and get rid of the garbage that is stinking up Congress.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:43 amPam Miles of AfterDowningStreet reports that she has firm confirmation that Nancy Pelosi is urging the Judiciary committee to not hold Rove in Contempt of Congress for his blatant contempt in not showing up to evoke executive privilege.
God I hope the people in San Francisco send her packing. Even though Cindy Sheehan has no experience, she would have to go a long way to be worse than Pelosi.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:43 amJeff Fort Says:
You’re such a stupid giveaway. What’s with you’re habit with capitalizing the “p” in progressive?
July 9th, 2008 at 9:45 amJeff Fort Says:
Here we go again folks.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:47 amas a “joke”.
Speaking during a visit to Malaysia on Tuesday, Mr Ahmadinejad said the economic, political and military situation would dissuade US President George W Bush from any such move.
Apparently Mr. Ahmadinejad doesn’t know Bush as well as he thinks he does. Bush could care less about the economic, political and military situation that would arise if Israel or the US were to attack Iran. All Bush cares about is making money for his fat cat friends (they sure won’t hurt when gasoline is $20 a gallon) and his so-called “legacy”.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:47 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Stripping Lieberman of his committee chairmanship will only cause Joe to jump the fence and caucus with the GOP, effectively changing the majority of the Senate.
At this point in time it wouldn’t make any difference. Harry Reid would still be the Senate Majority Leader (for what it’s worth) and Congress still won’t get anything done. The Republicans will continue to filibuster and stop the Democrats from achieving anything. So, there’s really no downside to kicking Joe to the curb now. It just might show some character on the part of the Democrats and they surely need something because they look pretty piss-poor right now to a majority of Democrats in this country.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:49 amgitrdone Says
July 9th, 2008 at 9:32 am
Why aren’t people more outraged??? Especially the conservatives??? They used to be a group who distrusted the gov’t the most…now they are a group who fully embrace the abuses of gov’t. It’s bizarre.
The conservative movement has been hijacked by political terrorists and only few probably realize it. True conservatives that is.
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Trust me — if it was the Democrats who advocated domestic spying, they’d be screaming like a prom queen with a hangnail. Ditto if it was the second amendment getting trashed instead of the fourth.
As long as it’s the Republicans doing the spying, conservatives figure it’s “the other guys” who will be the victims — not them — so therefore the issue is no big deal.
And you’re right — Barry Goldwater, the conservative who stood for fiscal responsibility, smaller government, and the rights of Americans, is probably spinning in his grave over what has happened to his party.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:50 amunbelievable Says:
“Given that all countries other than the U.S. have universal health care systems in place, this may invite questions on why the U.S. remains the only wealthy, industrialized country without such a system,” Harris president George Terhanian told Reuters.
Didn’t you know that if we had universal health care you wouldn’t be able to choose your doctor and you would have to wait to see them? I never understood why that would be an argument for keeping our current system because I have little choice over what doctor I use (has to be in their plan) and I consistently have to wait three weeks to one month for a routine appointment.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:52 am#13 RantingTommy Says:
It is very sad that so many (almost 30%) of our country is so uninformed and ignorant that they can be manipulated with lies designed to terrorize them into capitulating to the monied ruling class.
I guess that explains Bush, country “music”, American Idol, and SUVs too.
I agree under educated citizens are hurting this country. The fact that student loans are getting more scarce is going to contribute to the problem in the future. Republicans are counting on that. An under educated and uninformed society is easily manipulated, easily controlled and influenced. Mission Accomplished… :(
July 9th, 2008 at 9:53 amI must say, the Concern Troll is puttng in a little more effort with this new sockpuppet than with all the others it’s tried. It almost sounds like a parody of a Concern Troll. (A parody of a parody? That’s getting a little too conceptual for Troll Central. They better cut it out.)
July 9th, 2008 at 9:56 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
Two words: ELECTION YEAR. Both parties know that gasoline prices is an issue that resonates with every voter, and everyone running for re-election desperately wants something in their campaign arsenal that allows them to claim they are doing something about it. Even though they know that drilling won’t do a thing to lower the price of gasoline, they are counting on Joe Voter to believe that it will.
It still makes no sense why the Democrats are doing this. Very few Democrats are in vulnerable districts and we stand to gain quite a few new seats. So, why are the Democrats pandering to the Republicans. It’s like they have no sense of self worth and find the need to constantly kiss up to people they think are more powerful then they are. One has to wonder how they are going to handle the power when it is in their hands. I’m not encouraged.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:58 amjabberjaw, no one’s buying the stale cheese you’re selling.
Why don’t you head back to the break room at Troll Central? I heard there’s only one donut left and Jeff Fort had his eye on it. You know how Jeffy loves sprinkles…
July 9th, 2008 at 9:58 am#38 Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
Bush is using a back door around the Supreme Court ruling. Because what good will habeas corpus do for the detainees if you can’t pay your attorneys. Bush & Cheney are just immoral at the lengthiest they will go to get their way.
Well I guess it’s time for a federal judge to smack Boy George down once again. Doesn’t he realize how ridiculous this makes him look. He’s like a petulant little boy who doesn’t want his toys (the so-called enemy combatants) taken away from him.
January 2009 can’t come soon enough.
You can say that again. Every month seems to be dragging by, painfully. I’m am sick and tired of his BS. And then Dana comes on TV and says that all these really smart attorneys are working on the problem. That is a direct quote, she sounds like an absolute idiot trying to defend him. I can’t wait for the nightmare to end.
Have a good day Bilbo :)
July 9th, 2008 at 9:58 amJeff Fort Says
July 9th, 2008 at 9:37 am
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More proof that the paid trolls aren’t paid for quality…any feces posted will do, no matter how incoherent.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:58 amFreedom Rebel Says:
We just need to clone about 100 of Dennis and most of our problems would be solved. I hope we make a clean sweep in November and get rid of the garbage that is stinking up Congress.
July 9th, 2008 at 9:43 am
Amen to that, FR. If congress can’t do anything, perhaps they should make a one-time exception to the ban on human cloning. A lengthy process, but 100 Kucinichs’ would indeed make the congress squeeky clean.
I just find it bizarre that Nancy is obsessed with bi-partisanship — and she doesn’t even know that she’s straying from that concept to be a co-conspirator!
As for Obama, I don’t know what’s gotten into him. His Iraq explanation is acceptable, as is his abortion stance (I think), but for him to criticize his supporters (”The people who say this haven’t apparently been listening to me”) is going to put his campaign in a position where they only pledge to vote for him, but not volunteer for and financially contribute to his campaign. That’s an odd dynamic, especially with the condition of the country and the shape of the Republican party.
I hope you had a good breakfast!
July 9th, 2008 at 9:59 amIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
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Jeff Fort Says:
Here we go again folks.
And just when you thought the trolls couldn’t get any more insipid.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:01 am#39 Zimzone Says:
Nancy Pelosi = 21st century Betty Crocker
She spends more time putting on makeup than doing her f’n job.
You are priceless :) Quote of the day. LOL, I love it.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:01 amThank you so much for the laugh..
George WTF Bush uses more fuel in one trip in Airforce 1 than NASCAR uses the entire season. Why can’t we red-flag that useless POS?
July 9th, 2008 at 10:05 amLooks like another opportunity for the Old man from AZ to miss another VOTE…….
As for Kucinich I say go get`em Tiger…
July 9th, 2008 at 10:06 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
NASCAR would be an ideal arena to showcase new fuel technology to a large audience. If people could see that hybrid cars and cars fueled by alternative fuels can still go fast and perform well, it might make more progress toward us getting off the petroleum teat.
Ah ha ha ha! Sorry misshusseinmolly, but you might as well ask them to stop eating red meat, beating their wives, and supporting the invasions of defenseless third world oil producing countries!
July 9th, 2008 at 10:07 amIt’s going to be interesting to see how Hillary votes on FISA. Anyone have any guesses?
July 9th, 2008 at 10:07 amFools
July 9th, 2008 at 10:08 amInviting
Serious
Atrocities
As I see it our elected represenatives in congress need to stand up and show some leadership on the Democrat side and flush bi-partisanship and stick it to the REICH……….
July 9th, 2008 at 10:08 am*blushing*
July 9th, 2008 at 10:12 amGood morning, & thanks, Freedom Rebel.
Jeff Fort Says:
This idiot troll must think that we are really stupid. I do find the RNC’s new tactic of sending in “concerned liberals” as trolls to be telling. They have nothing on their side of the court so they decided that they would try to provoke us into saying something stupid so that they can broadcast it over the MSM. Ain’t gonna work though unless they get a better quality of trolls. The current crop is too transparent.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:14 amFeingold on senate floor..C-Span now…Blessings
July 9th, 2008 at 10:15 amchristopher wiwi Says:
As I see it our elected represenatives in congress need to stand up and show some leadership on the Democrat side and flush bi-partisanship and stick it to the REICH……….
D E M O C R A T I C, NOT DEMOCRAT! Sheesh, it’s bad enough when the Republicans do it, but I really hate it when people on our side do it.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:16 amMcWars Says:
As for Obama, I don’t know what’s gotten into him. His Iraq explanation is acceptable, as is his abortion stance (I think), but for him to criticize his supporters (”The people who say this haven’t apparently been listening to me”) is going to put his campaign in a position where they only pledge to vote for him, but not volunteer for and financially contribute to his campaign.
That’s exactly where I am and I let him know it. I won’t contribute to his campaign and I won’t volunteer for him because of his FISA stance. What pushed me over the edge was his last e-mail to his supporters about his FISA stance. In it he pretty much said FU to his supporters by saying that they really have no choice but to vote for him.
It makes me very sad to know that once again I will have to vote for the lesser of two evils. I was really looking forward to voting for someone I really believed in.
I don’t think that his FISA vote is going to keep his supporters from voting from him, but I do think that it is going to affect the turnout. One thing that pretty much guaranteed a Democratic victory in November was going to be the huge turnout of Democrats who voted. I’m not sure that Obama can count on that any longer.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:21 am#70 Bilbo, Thank you for this post, you nailed it….Blessings
July 9th, 2008 at 10:31 amWay to go Kucinich ! Guess I wonder why anyone would think McCain would be better than Obama ? Especially women and those who work for a living. McCain hasn’t worked a day in his life, rich daddy, AirForce, rich, rich wife. And he is suppose to understand the working poor ?
July 9th, 2008 at 10:36 amAt least Obama understands that Washington is corrupt and maybe, just maybe will do a direction change. We know McCain is more of the SAME.
Bilbo, I agree with our favorite witch. I’m still telling my non-political friends to vote for him but they’ve all noticed my loss of enthusiasm. For a minute there it was nice to have a candidate that seemed worthy of enthusiasm. But I guess I wasn’t really listening to what he said…
July 9th, 2008 at 10:38 amOh and lets not forget, McCain hasn’t even voted on the last 300 votes…one of the most important the GI Bill. Great support for our men and women in the military. Guess you voters for McCain do not have children in the military that McCain wants to serve forever.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:38 amAs much as I dream of the day that Bush and Cheney face true justice for all they’ve done to this Country I hope that whatever dirt the Administration has on Nancy Pelosi, Harry Reid etal makes front page news all around the world. Their capitulations and contortions in aiding the WH agenda and undermining the Fourth Amendment are not only a big FU to the American people but a clear abuse of power in not fulfilling their Constitutionally mandated responsibilities in oversight of an Administration that has blatantly broken more laws and thumbed it’s nose at the citizens than any before them. DO THESE DEMS IN NAME ONLY ACTUALLY THINK THAT THEIR SECRETS WON’T COME OUT?! Someone with this knowledge WILL come forward and the incentives behind their actions (or lack thereof)will finally come into clear focus. Aside from Pelosi’s widely reported foreknowledge of the torture program their is obviously something much deeper going on that would explain her cowtowing to Bush. To trash the fourth amandment to cover their collective asses is a crime and should be treated as such. Bush broke surveilance laws. Cut and dry. These are federal crimes that need resolution not sweeping under a rug that is so damned lumpy it’s not fooling anyone paying the slightest attention.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:46 amIsn’t it the Ethics Committee that Pelosi and Boehner have neglected to elect members so therefore we have no Ethics Committee ? Well, shoot, who needs ethics, it is Washington.
July 9th, 2008 at 10:53 amI call that “voting republican”
July 9th, 2008 at 10:55 amFirst, there would have to be a 3rd party progressive running, which there is not…
The democrats are not the republicans as you would have us believe…..there is a major difference. You just wish to cloud the issue to give the republicans some shred of credibility.
Republicans alone are responsible for where we are today.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:00 amConcern troll, isn’t there a bus or a train leaving somewhere near you that you could get under…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:02 amralph nader is NOT a sell out?
well, he hasn’t fooled ME!
July 9th, 2008 at 11:09 amWeighing in on the uneducated’s influence on politics, it is really scary and sad how many of these proudly uninformed voters are out there. I get a small town newspaper in northern Arizona and every weekly issue has a discussion about Obama being Muslim. I have written letters to the editor correcting the information and asking them to please do some research. I get slammed for being an elitist.
These people are proud of their ignorance, they wear it like a badge of honor. Bitter, ignorant and poor….the backbone of America has cancer and neds a marrow transplant I fear.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:10 amThat’s funny. Too bad it sounds so much like voting republican. Guess you will have to try again.
Oh, try to be realistic if you want to be taken seriously. I am on the verge of calling you a moonbat.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:11 amjabberjaw Says:
Same old pig slop that all repubs are smearing today. The republicans and democrats are just alike. Sorry, that is just another lie. Try again. Please try to be realistic if you wish to be taken seriously.
We would not be where we are today if a democrat had been elected in 2000. Democrats are not republicans, period.
hey, I can copy and paste from another thread too ya know.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:20 am“Barack Obama, the Democratic presidential candidate, who has previously pledged to negotiate with President Ahmedinejad, responded by calling Tehran a “great threat”. “We have to make sure we are working with our allies to apply tightened pressure on Iran,” he said.”
A great threat? Weren’t they a “small nation” a couple weeks ago? O. must really want to win Florida…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:22 amjabberjaw Says:
Ok, now I get it. The new RNC advertising campaign is to send “concerned trolls” onto blogs to try to get people disappointed in Obama to vote for Nader. I understand why they are doing this considering the fact that Bob Barr is polling at 6% and Nader is only polling at 2%. They need to peel off more of the liberal votes to Nader if they think they have a prayer of a chance of winning. Not going to happen.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:22 amWell he gets $58,000 in disability from the VA and he certainly doesn’t seem to be too disabled to work. At the very least shouldn’t there be some coordination of benefits by the federal government so that these crooks can’t get paid by every different department for work that cannot possibly be overlapping.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:24 amOk, I have a question for the “concerned troll” jabberjaw. If Nader is such a wonderful agent of change, perhaps you can list for us all the things Nader has done in the last 8 years to facilitate change. Crickets…. I thought so, since Nader does absolutely nothing between his ego boosting runs for the Presidency. He runs (thereby getting his 15 minutes of fame), peels off a few naive voters votes and then disappears for the next four years.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:25 amjabberjaw Says:
Bilbo. You don’t have to vote for the “less of two evils.” Make a real statement and vote for a third party, progressive candidate.
I’m not that stupid. That’s what got us Bush in the first place. If all the stupid Nader voters who kept telling me that there was no difference between Nader and Gore had voted for Gore, we would not be in this mess in the first place.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:28 amKeltoi Says:
Same comment to you k that I made to jj. You have to say something relevant to be taken seriously. Try harder. Jj has learned to copy and paste. Maybe he can give you some pointers.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:29 amAnyone who falls for jabberjaw’s jibberjabber and buys the idea that there’s no difference between the Democrats and the Republicans, just cast your mind back eight years.
All those “principled progressives” who voted for Nader because Gore was “no different” than Bush, played a big part in squandering the Clinton-era surplus, wasting eight years of the atmosphere slowly warming, and landing us in the quagmire of Iraq.
As I said before, jabberjaw, no one’s buying it.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:29 amTomorrow, Rep. Dennis Kucinich (D-OH) plans to introduce a single article of impeachment against President Bush “for taking our nation and our troops to war based on lies.” Last month, Kucinich presented 35 impeachment articles against Bush, which have been sent to the Judiciary Committee.
He should be going after Bush’s warrantless wiretapping program. Not only has Bush actually admitted breaking the law on this, it would have additional effect of investigating exactly what Bush was up to. Something Congress will block after they pass the new FISA bill giving full and retroactive immunity to the telecoms that have assisted Bush.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
July 9th, 2008 at 11:30 amjabberjaw Says:
Check your facts, Bilbo. Nader is polling at 6%.
I’ll check mine if you check yours. According to the following poll, he’s polling nationally at less than 2%.
http://blog.indecision2008.com/2008/07/07/zogby-poll-shows-barack-obama-with-huge-electoral-college-leads/
July 9th, 2008 at 11:31 amjabberjaw Says:
“Jeff Fort”’s a moron. Looks like he’s gone. Good riddance.
“jabberjaw” is a moron. Looks like he’s the next to go. Good riddance.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:33 amThere’s that troll mentality we have all come to despise and love at the same time. Keep posting. You make our job easier when you do.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:35 amjabberjaw Says:
You are uninformed and just plain wrong Bilbo. If you want to know what Nader has done, read.
Too funny. You send us to Nader’s home page to prove what he has done to affect change in the last 8 years. And, it says absolutely NOTHING about anything he has done in the last 8 years to affect change in this country. So how about links to actual articles that say anything about Nader in the last 8 years. As far as I can see, he has been MIA.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:35 amI think it’s a much better to take over the Democratic party. It can be done.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:35 amAnd Ralph Nader is a union-buster in his own organization.
3 police and 3 gunmen killed at U.S. Istanbul mission
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080709/ts_nm/turkey_usa_attack_dc
US healthcare system least popular out of 10 countries polled
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080708/hl_afp/uscanadaeuropeaustralianewzealandhealth_080708210326;_ylt=AoW6_28FAXQXgOEdnFFwAW2s0NUE
WASHINGTON (AFP) – The United States has the least popular healthcare system out of 10 developed countries that were surveyed by Harris Interactive, with a third of Americans saying it needs a complete overhaul.
Thirty-three percent of Americans said the US system “has so much wrong with it that we need to completely rebuild it,” while a further 50 percent said “fundamental changes are needed to make it work better,” a survey conducted in May showed
Oil industry wakes up to its battered image
http://news.yahoo.com/s/afp/20080709/sc_afp/oilcommoditiesenvironmentimagepr_080709025230;_ylt=AgLeDUjzmVKLp9Va4SqfK8as0NUE
ExxonMobil chairman and chief executive Rex Tillerson responded to this by saying that the company was focused on “safely and reliably meeting the growing energy demand while working to reduce our impact on the environment.”
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“Attracting the best and brightest young talent to the petroleum industry will require an image makeover, but young people are too savvy and mistrustful to fall for an empty public-relations exercise”
Iraqi leaders remind U.S. that pullout is a two-sided decision
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20080709/cm_usatoday/iraqileadersremindusthatpulloutisatwosideddecision;_ylt=ArucJgObVL8JHHkUuZ3gFQ6s0NUE
The election-year debate over whether and when to pull U.S. troops out of Iraq usually seems like a purely American conversation. Democrat Barack Obama supports a timetable for withdrawal; Republican John McCain, like President Bush, opposes one.
Iraqi officials provided a sharp reminder this week that they, and their own domestic politics, will play an important role in this decision as well.
Americans embrace a smaller world
http://news.yahoo.com/s/usatoday/20080709/cm_usatoday/americansembraceasmallerworld;_ylt=Aiu0aY5DS_dC4BVmfdC7U1us0NUE
To those who complain that Americans don’t care about the world, consider this: The number of applicants for the Foreign Service has risen from 8,000 in 2000 to about 25,000 in 2006, a 200% increase.And U.S. readership of The Economist, Britain’s august magazine on international affairs, has more than doubled since 1993.
Indeed, Americans are no longer as scared of the world as they were in the aftermath of 9/11. Nor are we as confident that the American Dream — what with soaring gas prices, jobs fleeing overseas and hoards of us without health insurance — is as attainable as previously thought.
Looks as if something is moving in the USA society…
July 9th, 2008 at 11:36 amjabberjaw Says:
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With your kind of thinking, Fred, we are slaves to the Republocrats and Demolicans forever. Sad.
With your kind of thinking jabberjaw, we got George W. Bush for 8 long years.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:40 amWell, jj says nader is a progressive. This just doesn’t add up. Either you are wrong or jj is wrong.
jj is wrong, again. please try again jj.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:42 amjj, please post some more about Nader. Tell us why when he ran in 2000 that he said that he wanted to help defeat the democrats so the American people would see what life would be like under conservative rule so they would be willing to……..well his message goes fuzzy at that point, but you get the point I’m sure.
He knew he couldn’t win and he ran just to help defeat the democrat that was running. He is part of the problem.
Got any more bs you would like us to clean up for you?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:47 amAnd the beat goes on Says
“2) Tell me, why do YOU think the our elected officials are rolling over on all of us?”
You should never underestimate the persuasive power of Anthrax… also, have you ever noticed how there are far more Democrats who “happen” to die in plane crashes?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:48 amLoathsome LIEbermann will have to stay until the end of the year, or we will lose the slim majority we have. ( I know, I know, it is dubious status, but it does allow us to chair committeees.) Right after the election, he can be stripped of any committee positions and in if he is still there, he can be asked to resign from the Democratic party January 21.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:51 amWith your kind of thinking jabberjaw, we got George W. Bush for 8 long years.
But then, that’s what you really want isn’t it… 4 more years of McSame?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:55 amFacts, jj, we need facts, not just spouting talking points. Why did he deliberatly run as a spoiler in 2000 and brag that he intended to help take this country to the bottom to prove his point….which he has done. nader has done enough damage by enabling the republicans, who he takes money from……..next lie please.
Oh, credible links would help you with your few feeble points.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:57 amjabberjaw Says:
Ralph Nader has done more to support unions than any Democrat ever has.
Putting George W. Bush in the Oval Office has hurt unions more than anything since Reagan began the war against Labor.
Thanks Ralph.
jabberjaw, does Nader take money from the RNC for the same reason you do?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:57 amNot that it matters, since all you want to do is troll, but I’m having trouble verifying your numbers.
The best I can find for Nader in Michigan is 10%, and that was back in April. I found this poll from June 24 that had Obama leading McCain in Michigan 48 to 39. That’s a total of 87, leaving only 13% for all other candidates. That means that even if Nader got every third-party vote (leaving Bob Barr with none, for example) he would still only be polling at 13%, less than you claim.
Can you provide support for your claim?
July 9th, 2008 at 11:59 amJ Says:
…have you ever noticed how there are far more Democrats who “happen” to die in plane crashes?
Oh, those are just pilot errors.
July 9th, 2008 at 11:59 amOT sorry…The tanker contract will go up for a rapid rebid…..Obama voted yes to the Feingold amendment..The amendment was beat out 32 to 66, sorry….Blessings and where the hell did I put those extra boxe’s of bullett’s…
July 9th, 2008 at 12:17 pmTrippleKick Says:
…the rabid anti-war left.
Rabid peacemongers, eh? What a concept.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:20 pmi have had enough of JJ’s shit, anyone else? JJ’s on my list as an automatic flag. The ruse is transparent, a rabid R troll pretends to be concerned about Obama and so pimps Nader.
As has been pointed out, it isn’t going to happen and responding to the jibberjabber is wasting bandwidth.
Flag on sight.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:21 pmso do roaches.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:25 pmFlourish, eh?
Not so much.
I guess if being despised by your nominal ideological brethern and being used without being trusted by the other side is your idea of “flourishing” then that says much about your sense of self-worth.
Let’s revisit this issue in late January, hmm?
July 9th, 2008 at 12:26 pmFine, nanlichi.
But I was just hoping to get a response from jj justifying his claim of 15% for Nader in Michigan first.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:28 pmralph,
He posted it, isn’t that enough for you? What do you need, facts? You forget who you are dealing with, jj don’t do facts.
But just for you I will hold off on the automatic flag and give jj a chance to show his colors. I am betting on a rich shade of yellow.
July 9th, 2008 at 12:43 pmI see your point, nanlichi. (sigh)
Y’know, it’s just that after having the bawlz to claim that Bilbo was “uninformed and just plain wrong” after Bilbo posted a link that backed up his argument, I’d have thought that jj might want to live up to the standards he sets for others…
July 9th, 2008 at 12:50 pmSorry, I just wanted jj to explain why Ralph Nader takes money from the RNC. I figured he would have some insight into that apparent contradiction. But, he refuses to answer, so go ahead and flag him.
July 9th, 2008 at 1:44 pmJeebus, jabberjaw, don’t you know how to use The Google?
Here’s one from the NY Times.
Here’s one from from a blog reporting an AP story.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:03 pmAll this petty in fighting is pointless, uses up band width, has no value except to take up time….
Seem’s to me everyone should focus on the fact we got screwed in 2000 by the reich, again in 2004 by the same tag team and the we got it really good by those that claimed to be dem’s in 2006…
I don’t know about all of you but this old woman is sick of what our country has become….All our work and our founding father’s insight has been screwed and not one of us even got a kiss…
I think everyone should look long and hard at who they want to vote for and stop fighting amongst your selve’s…Our very live’s depend on it….
One more little hint….Stock pile food, water, fuel and ammo..Your live’s depend on it…..Blessings
July 9th, 2008 at 2:07 pmThank you Ralph. For some reason my post with links to articles about Republican contributions to Nader is awaiting moderation. I can’t figure out why.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:15 pmJJ is trying to make a distinction without a difference. Nader has taken huge amounts of money from RNC fatcat donors, including the Swift Boaters.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?file=/c/a/2004/07/09/MNGQQ7J31K1.DTL
http://www.commondreams.org/views04/1013-33.htm
July 9th, 2008 at 2:18 pmI see jabberjaw, having inserted into his question What proof do you have that “the RNC” donated money to Nader the modifier during this election? thus giving him an excuse to call a technical foul.
Clever. Not very honest, but clever. Unfortunately, shoeless did NOT restrict his charge to “this election”, did he?
No. He didn’t. So we’re going to have to give jj a “Nice Try” on this dodge.
July 9th, 2008 at 2:20 pmWhatever, jj. Parse it any way that suits you.
Fact is, your boy Nader was actively supported by the GOP (the organization, not just individuals) in 2004, and the only reason they would fail to do the same this year is if they recognize the election won’t be close enough for it to make a difference.
The Republicans recognize how useful Nader’s candidacy is to them. Too bad you don’t.
(Or do you…?)
No one’s buying your schtick, jj.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:19 pmThese are the same fatcats who fund the RNC. Split hairs if you like. It makes no difference whether they funneled the money through the RNC first or not.
Independent presidential candidate Ralph Nader — still not on the ballot in a single state — has received a recent windfall of contributions from deep-pocketed Republicans with a history of big contributions to the party, an ana!ysis of federal records show.
Nearly one in 10 of Nader’s major donors — those writing checks of $1, 000 or more — have given in recent months to the Bush-Cheney campaign, the latest documents show. GOP fund-raisers also have “bundled” contributions — gathering hefty donations for maximum effect to help Nader, who has criticized the practice in the past.
July 9th, 2008 at 3:31 pmFcuk Obama,
I am either writing in Kucinich (whom I did not support before) or myself. At least I know where I stand on issues.
So fcuk McBush, Fcuk Obama (middle of the road man) I am doing my own thing.
Just wait, Obama will come back around to try and make nicey nice with the left around end of Sept.
Fcuk you Barak.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:08 pmOh and BTW, if McCain gets in I WILL KILL HIM.
July 9th, 2008 at 6:11 pmPoor Senator Judas Lieberman (R-Tel Aviv) has to tolerate this treatment simply for choosing to serve two masters. Of, course neither one of them is the master (the people of Connecticut) who sent him to Washington; so that’s three masters that he has, but only one of which he is not serving. He serves his god (John McCain), and his country (Israel), and his party (Likud), oh, wait; that’s four masters, only one of which he’s not serving. Is that so bad?
Yeah, I guess so.
July 10th, 2008 at 11:15 am