Tony Snow has died.
By on Jul 12th, 2008 at 7:17 am
Tony Snow has died.
Former White House Press Secretary Tony Snow died early this morning at the age of 53, following a long battle with colon cancer. In 2005, Snow had his colon removed and underwent six months of chemotherapy. In March 2007, Snow announced his malignant cancer had returned and spread to his liver and elsewhere in his body. He returned to work in the White House five weeks later. Snow is survived by his wife and three children under the age of 15.
UPDATE: Snow started his television career at Fox News. This morning, the network paid homage to its former colleague and employee. Watch this segment narrated by Brit Hume:
UPDATE II: Read President Bush’s statement here.
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Condolences to his family. He was a good man.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:23 amLike him, or not, 53 is too young. I hope he was spared the worst of the fear and pain.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:26 amVA Voter:
Condolences to his family. He was a man who was loyal to a false god, Bushco.
There, I fixed it for you.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:35 amThey're hanging the crepe on FoxSnooze this morning and comparing McSnowJob to Tim Russert. Not even close.
Roger Ailes is calling his death "a great loss for the country". Yup. Now, he won't be able to write a sequel to Scotty McClellan's book.
It is a shame, though. 53 is too young for anyone to die. He will be missed by his family . . . but he won't be missed by me.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:39 amAs a press secretary, boy could he spin. He slopped lipstick on the GOP pig like few could.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:47 amGod of all comfort be with his loved ones, RIP
July 12th, 2008 at 7:56 amWon't miss him at all.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:03 amGreat “classy” comments from tom and vat!!
Right back at ya, John. You, of course, are the epitome of "class", pant-load.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:06 amSnow has died. Heck of a job, Tony.
VA voter; There is NO such thing as a good man/woman in the Bush administration. They are ALL WAR CRIMINALS! Blow it out your ass.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:08 amEven though I wasn't one of Tony Snow's fans, I think cancer is a horrible way to die and that 53 is way too young. My condolences to Snow's family.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:25 amIf you guys want to say insensitive things about Snow, maybe you could put it on your own blog. The man is dead. Have some respect.
Besides, all you're really doing is giving the Michelle Malkin's and LGF's copy/paste fodder for their next post to smear TP.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:27 amOne of the best liars chimpy hired.
Thanks for your service and for giving the wh news straight.
Thanks for spinning chimpy's war.
Thanks for your insight in pushing war instead of peace.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:29 amChenZhen
So.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:32 amI knew I could count on Think Progress to deliver only the classiest condolences for Tony Snow.
But some of you are losing your edge, and apparently trying to balance the venom with something approach...I don't know...warmth? What's up with that?
July 12th, 2008 at 8:33 amI don't wish this on anyone. My condolences to his family. He had a wife and children.
Having said that, he was the one who cozied up to Linda Tripp and talked her into wearing a wire, that led to the perjury trap, they used to impeach President Clinton.
Under that facade of Mr nice guy, he played dirty and slime ball politics. He was part of the divisive "journalistic" politics that has ripped this country apart in the last 20 years.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:36 amDon't think of it as death, think of it as the ultimate way of cutting back on lying.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:41 amI have no warm spot in my heart for Tony Snow, but my heart breaks for three children who have lost their father. I hope they can find peace.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:43 amI'm sure Fox News is going to compare Snow to Russert in stature. Maybe Fox will have SIX consecutive days of epitaphs and glorifying.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:43 amHey, potfry and all the rest of the trolls:
We are just trying to be "fair and balanced". FoxSnooze is going to take the whole day talking about SnowJob's "legacy", "professionalism" and how "he built FoxSnooze into the powerhouse that it is today". We are just balancing all their hype with a bit of truth. SnowJob was a hack, a rant-jockey and a fraud.
I feel sorry for his family but that's about it. Beyond that, he was a major contributor to the dumbing down of the American public. His death is about as significant as if Rush Limpballs had died -- in other words, not significant at all.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:45 amHaving lost a father to cancer, I can empathize with his family. My condolences to them.
And to all of those who show no respect for the dead, I feel sorry for you. I would have hoped you had been brought up better than that.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:47 amThe God that the Right claims as on their side will judge Snow for his actions here on earth.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:47 amA-ticket on the express train to hell.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:47 amHis death should give a notice to all Republicans that life is short,and if they believe in God as they say, their moments will come when they all die to discover later that God is not Republican.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:48 amChenZen; sounds like you would demand we show respect for Hitler & his sycophants at their deaths.
I prefer to have them all arrested, undergo war crimes tribunals, and send them all to the gallows.
If we can't hang these bastards for their war crimes, then I will take their riddence any way I can.
BTW: VA voter, up yours.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:49 ambratboy
The dead have no feelings, we have respect for his family.
Professional liars deserve no respect, dead or alive.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:57 amBeing just a year older than Tony Snow, I think 53 is too young to die. I feel the worst for his children, who are so young. Condolences to his family.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:09 amI like Fox to tell me if Snow shed tears about thousands of killed soldiers and hundreds of thousands Iraqis, so I can start crying for him...
July 12th, 2008 at 9:12 amSomewhere in hell he is being waterboarded.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:13 ami have a hard time feeling sorry for him. he was a liar to the core, i do feel bad for the fam though....
July 12th, 2008 at 9:13 amLee Atwater, who had done some of the slimiest things politics had ever seen during his lifetime (and set new standards for dirty campaigning, the likes of which are still with us), made an honest effort to apologize and atone for his transgressions before he died.
I wish Tony Snow had done likewise. While I feel for his family (no child should have to lose a father while they are that young), I wish Snow would have acknowledged the harm his "party before country" tactics caused.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:17 amWon’t miss him at all.
You know, this might come as a revelation to Marcus Aurelius and the others here who have posted gratuitously cruel comments about Tony Snow, but you do NOT have to agree with a person's politics in order to feel compassion for the family of a 53-year-old man who died of colon cancer.
I did not agree with a single one of Tony Snow's opinions (at least the publicly known ones). In fact, when I read his columns or saw him at a press briefing, he almost always infuriated me.
But guess what? He was not evil. He was, from all accounts, a decent person who happened to be very conservative. He was not Jesse Helms. He did not go around talking about the inferiority of black people or the disgusting repulsiveness of gays and lesbians. I often heard him express opinions that drove me crazy, but I never heard him say something I thought was cruel or malicious.
Marcus Aurelius and all you other classless clowns, one word: Kindness. Don't be a hurter.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:19 amGod bless the Snow family.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:23 amShould a rational, adjusted person have mourned the passing of Joseph Goebbels, simply because he died?
Everybody dies. Everybody. Good or bad. Regardless of their actions in life, their families will mourn them. I will not mourn the passing of this enabler of hatred, torture and lies.
F him alive, F him dead. He was evil.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:25 amJoseph Goebbels was by all accounts a nice person outside of his propagandizing for Hitler and the Third Reich.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:26 amIn other news, Michael DeBakey has died at the age of 99. Dr. DeBakey revolutionized heart surgery, and many of the techniques he pioneered are standard medical practice today, including heart bypass surgery. It would be almost impossible to determine how many lives have been saved because of this man.
Today we mourn the passing of two people -- one who saved people for a living, and one who trashed people for a living. What a contrast.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:27 amkathyedits:
Should we have mourned Pol Pot? How about Jeffey Dahmer? How about Timothy McVeigh?
Fact is, we are better off today than we were yesterday.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:28 amI don't think Snow was born evil but I do think he let greed change his moral standards as have most Republicans.
He learned early this morning that you can't take it with you.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:30 amBrain From Planet Arous:
Well put.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:30 amHe did an excellent job for the WH. I wish that had spilled over into his private life before he died. If he had written a tell-all book his family would be well off.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:31 amCondolences to them.
IF ONLY, it would happen to boooosh and FCUK YOU DICK. Only more painful and worse.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:34 amSo he left a legacy of being a liar......good riddance. I would think people would want to strive to be remembered in a better light but somewhere someone Conbot will try and dedicate a post office or something to him..
July 12th, 2008 at 9:35 am#32 Kathyedits says:
"I often heard him express opinions that drove me crazy, but I never heard him say something I thought was cruel or malicious."
Sorry, but that is not true. The opinions relate to the actions that are then allowed. All the REthugnikkkans are evil. Alive or dead. Jesse Helms is no less evil, than my neightbor who voted for dumbshiit evil muddfugga boooosh and Dead=eye Dick. They are all evil, along with Snow.
Good riddance to bad rubbish.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:38 amThis man knowingly and willingly lied for criminals. Would we pause to remember him if he was not in politics?
I will not mourn his passing. Flame on, neocons.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:38 amMy condolences to his family.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:39 amNo one deserves colon cancer. Not nobody, not nohow.
Marcus Aurelius Says:
Should we have mourned Pol Pot? How about Jeffey Dahmer? How about Timothy McVeigh?
Fact is, we are better off today than we were yesterday.
Sure, Pol Pot started the S-21 interrogation center, which the Bush administration has loosely based their torture techniques on and he had a wonderful collection of skulls.
Jeffrey Dahmer simply refined the art of stew cooking of gay men which the Fundamentalists admired as a quick way of ridding the world of them.
Timothey McVeigh utilized his talents he learned from the military.
I also heard that during the 21 gun salute of Nixon, they fired at the coffin to make sure he was dead.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:40 amI'm sick of all this crap about 53 is too young...his children...blah blah blah.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:40 amThere are a lot of kids in Iraq who only wish their parents could have lived to be 53.
And this jackass Tony Snow was collecting a fat paycheck to catapult the propaganda that got them killed.
Where's the concern for them.....
Sorry I forget, they don't count.
The U.S. does not keep statistics on them. They're known as collateral damage.
They're not important because they're not on the teevee.
Only people on THE TEEVEE matter. We mourn THEM when they die because they're important.
Why are they important?
BECAUSE THEY'RE ON THE TEEVEE!
What a load of crap.
kathyedits Says:
But guess what? He was not evil. He was, from all accounts, a decent person who happened to be very conservative. He was not Jesse Helms. He did not go around talking about the inferiority of black people or the disgusting repulsiveness of gays and lesbians.
No? He just spouted lies to ensure the death of 4000+ American soldiers, the deaths of hundreds or thousands of Iraqi civilians and the displacement of millions more, promoted the anti-gay agenda of the bush cabal, the disenfranchising of black voters, and countless other lies lies LIES. If that is not evil, I'm not sure what constitutes evil.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:42 amMy mother died of cancer of the colon at 55 and I was able to be with her when she passed -- my siblings were too traumatized by the difficulty of her battle to be able to be with her at her time. Even my father, who knew it was coming, asked if I could stay with her because he just didn't think he could take it. You hear a lot about dying at home with dignity but all I remember is the agony she was in at the end. I was in my early 30's and it was very painful for me and my brothers and sisters. I can't imagine how difficult it must be for his wife and children. Cancer is such a horrible way to go for many.
Once someone is gone, it does no good to speak ill of the dead. If you believe, they are already judged by the One who matters and there is no amount of what we think about a person that will influence that judgement. Just becausee it's what those repukes do, doesn't mean we need to follow suit. In fact, this is a good time to swhow we can rise above it all and wish peace and comfort for his family.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:43 amSeveral Iraqis will also die today… but unlike Snow they will have had very little to do with the perpetuation of the Iraq war… and unlike Snow their death will go unnoticed.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:46 am"Is Tony Snow, er, Snowjob, here?" (VOICE OF GOD)
"Yup, right here.. (a little destracted watching Perino on the TV)
"I'm afraid there's been a little mix-up" (VOICE OF GOD)
"Whaddaya mean" (Snowjob)
"You are wanted down below, better take off that down coat, it's might hot in there"... (VOICE OF GOD)
July 12th, 2008 at 9:48 amAnd the beat goes on Says:
Once someone is gone, it does no good to speak ill of the dead. If you believe, they are already judged by the One who matters and there is no amount of what we think about a person that will influence that judgement.
Meanwhile, while some are waiting for Vaporman in the Sky to make a decision on Snow, the press, TV, and automatons are all writing volumes on what a great spokesperson he was.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:51 amFirst Tim Russert and now Tony Snow.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:51 amI'm going to miss Tony's artful spin and deception.
I hope there are other patriotic men coming up who are willing to lie, spin and deceive us into the next unnecessary war with only a fat corporate paycheck as a reward, so we can finish off bankrupting the country, drown the US Federal Government in a bathtub and destroy the last shred of respect and credibility we have in the world
No one deserves colon cancer. Not nobody, not nohow.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:39 am
_________
Same can be said of torture and being "disappeared".
July 12th, 2008 at 9:51 amBrian:
Funny!
July 12th, 2008 at 9:52 amCancer is horrible, and any one of us could get it.
It is not a political disease.
I'm not discussing cancer (or, for that matter, what is the most horrible way to die). I'm talking about the death of a thug, a hooligan, a henchman. How he died is irrelevant. That we don't have to watch him wreak evil on his fellow man any longer is a relief.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:57 amI feel conflicted about the death of Tony Snow. I am sorry for his family but cannot feel resemtment towards him. He went out of his way to defend the lies of the Bush administration.
I remember one time he wrote this column before he was press secretary against evolution theory-he wrote in the most ignorant way about the missing fossil record. He had already been diagnosed with colon cancer and I wrote him that many of the treatments he was likely to receive were based on our understanding of human biology by studying simple worms and evolutionarily conserved biology pathways. He never answered and obviously these treatments which he no doubt he received did not work. He just epitomized the anti-science element of the current Bushies, science that Goege Bush undercut, science that at some point might save future sufferers of colon cancer.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:58 amI wonder if Snow is proud of:
2 stolens elections
2 illegal preemptive wars
our State Sponsored Terrorism (see 9/11)
4,000+ men and women dying in 2 illegal Oil Wars
a crumbling infrastructure
a tanking economy
a Million+ dead Iraqis
the Millions of displaced Iraquis
Katrina and it's continuing aftermath
Our disgraced Moral Standing in the World (secret prisons, prisoner abuse)
The Patriot Act
The Military Commissions Act
The Homegrown Terrorist Prevention Act”
The FISA Amendment Act
HELL on earth unleashed in the Middle East
People losing their homes left and right
$4+ a gallon for gas
skyrocketing food prices
US Attorney Scandal
lowered FDA standards
a dumber society?
a greater disparity between rich and poor
a polluted planet
may I go on?
July 12th, 2008 at 10:00 amIt's interesting that we get a great acknowledgment and sympathy when a professional propagandist/media celebrity dies, but when our military personnel who die as a result of that propaganda the emphasis is on NOT acknowledging the death.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:00 amI'm talking about lack of media coverage, no photos, filming of funerals etc.
We have become a nation of imbeciles.
If I found out I had cancer, I would make every effort to take as many traitorus scumbags with me in a blaze of glory, while I had the energy. Use my car as a tool of Saving America. I have thought mightily of the good fcuking that needs to be done to these traitors.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:04 amCertainly the most honorable press secretary.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:05 amwell, i just hope it was worth it, to come back to the w.h. to "work", instead of concentrating on his treatment and his family... seems tony must've been a "victim" of bad financial planning if he needed the money that bad...
and, i thought my dad leaving at 78 was too young...
my condolences to his surviving family.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:06 amrozerze Says:
Certainly the most honorable press secretary.
Not by any stretch of the imagination.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:09 amWhile I am sorry that he died young and left a young family, I know that I will remember him as the spokesman for the worst president of America and his defense of that criminal.
RIP Snow, your dubious legacy will live on.
You make a good point, flavorino,
July 12th, 2008 at 10:11 amWe will see film footage of his funeral, there will be many tearful eulogies on camera, but the young soldiers killed in the war that he advocated for Bush&Co will be sent home on cargo planes, with no escort, no camera, no report.
All I can say is he had good health insurance. Something that the people he dedicated his life to are willing to deny the rest of us.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:11 amI do not mourn evil...
July 12th, 2008 at 10:13 amflavorino,
I agree with you..Russert's death got the attention of the nation ,the Congress, the Senate and the W.House for almost 10 days.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:13 amSenator Schumer wanted to name a highway in his name.
While hundreds of soldiers die annually and thousands of Iraqis die monthly, their death does not make headlines.
They die in silence.
We became a 'celebrities chasers' nation.
The child-like emotional state of liberals is in full bloom here at Think Progress. If anyone ever wants to see a perfect microcosm of why far left lunatics will remain irrelevant in American politics, they only need to come spend some time in this comment thread.
Keep barkin' at the moon, children. Tony Snow laughed at you while he was here, and I'm pretty sure he's laughing at you now.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:14 amHey, potfry!
GFY
July 12th, 2008 at 10:15 amMy condolences to Mr. Snow's friends and family. Of course he will be missed by them.
That said,- our "legacy" is what we leave behind, what we said and did in life, and the effects of those choices. I feel a lot of the frustration and anger, too, and will not lionize Snow. Or demonize him either (isn't there a Net-rule that the first person to compare someone not accused of genocide to Nazis loses?)
That said, this of all the comments stood out:
Um, he's not just being off-topic, he's being RACIST. Jefferson may or may not be guilty (that pesky innocence before guilt principle), but last time I checked he was human.
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We have to treat everyone, ally or enemy, with humanity and acknowleging their humanity. That includes Snow and Jefferson.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:17 amToo young...
...too bad
too bad, too, that he was so corrupt...
but condolences to his family...
July 12th, 2008 at 10:17 amKeep barkin’ at the moon, children. Tony Snow laughed at you while he was here, and I’m pretty sure he’s laughing at you now.
He's not laughing at anyone. He's too busy decomposing. But thanks for bringing your superstitions to the wake.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:20 amPotfry is another example of a conserative republiscum coming to a progressive website to spread their brand of caring (hate for progress).
Tony Snow is dead, he isn't barking at anyone, his voice is silent. Too bad a few more rightwing voices aren't being silenced by being put behind bars.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:22 amAnd lest anyone forget, here's a blast from the recent past:
Think Progress. Tony Snow’s Tall Tale: Former Bush Flack Falsely Claims Obama Voted
July 12th, 2008 at 10:23 am‘Present’ 160 Times As US Senator. ...
this is the same guy who said that the soldiers who gave their lives in iraq were "just a number". the same one who repeated talking points while hundreds of thousands of iraqis died. i hope the stomach cancer was unbearable, and i hope you burn in hell tony.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:23 amPotfry said: " Keep barkin' at the moon,children.Tony Snow laughed at you while he was here,and I'm pretty sure he's laughing at you now".
July 12th, 2008 at 10:24 am---------------------------------------
Pot...,
I might understand the first part of your statement,but how are you 'pretty sure' about Snow laughing now..?!!, unless you believe he got a GOP ticket to heaven.!!
And here's another Snow moment:
Tony Snow: A Vote For Lamont Is A Vote For Another 9/11». ...
July 12th, 2008 at 10:26 amthinkprogress.org/2006/08/09/snow-lamont/
Potfry Says:
The child-like emotional state of conservatives is in full bloom here in America. If anyone ever wants to see a perfect microcosm of why far right lunatics are on the outs check out:
Our disasterous war
our economy
our healtcare
our forign policy in general
ect.
Tony snow went out of his way to be in the spotlight for a group of people who are agressors. Much the same as any propaganda minister for the nazi's.
You would not even know who he is if it were not for his evil deeds. That is his legacy.
It is the legacy of many and they will be remembered for their deeds, not for how they died.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:26 amMaybe we will get a two-fer, and Dead-Eye Dick will croak while he give the eulogy, you know he will be giving it. I GURANTEE it. This is an opportunity for ALL the evil to come out for the evening.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:27 amMarie,
"...but the young soldiers killed in the war that he advocated for Bush&Co will be sent home on cargo planes, with no escort, no camera, no report."
And don't forget the distinct possibility that at that young soldiers funeral the extreme right wing Kansas-based Westboro Baptist Church will be there to celebrate his death as somehow a product of Gods scorn on Americas tolerance of gays.
From Bush to Tony to supposed Christian evangilists that are the rights "base", these people are evil.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:29 amI accuse Tony Snow of genocide by complicity in a criminal act against the people of Iraq. This accusation is based solely on the number of dead Iraqi civilians at the hands of the war machine Tony Snow helped create and maintain.
Fixed it.
BTW: I brought up Joseph Goebbels. A comparison of Ministers of Propaganda is fair and valid.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:30 am#31, missshusseinmolly
July 12th, 2008 at 10:34 amI had nearly the same first thought when hearing of Snow's death today -- did he, like Lee Atwater, have second thoughts at the end of his life? Atwater was hateful and vindictive in his life and had a deathbed conversion in which he publicly apologized for his behavior -- Snow was not hateful and vindictive, but I wonder if being a Bush apologist affected his private review of his passing life.
...
new thread, please...
it's raining outside... or too damn hot'n'humid to venture out...
July 12th, 2008 at 10:35 am.
Another Snow gem:
Tony Snow Returns: ‘There Has Been No Attempt To Try To Link Saddam To 9/11?.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:35 amWhere is the line for what is genocide. How many Iraqi's were guilty of over a million dead men, women and children?
I understand you are trying to be reasonable but this man caused much damage and was complicit in many deaths, voluntarily.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:36 amBTW, Cheney is having his routine physical today -- I think FedEx delivered a package of WD40 for his heart.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:37 amI have no interest in trashing Mr. Snow's memory.
Mortality is something we all face, and it's a much more important part of life than politics.
I lost my father to cancer, too early, and my family was devastated. I hope Tony Snow's family can find peace.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:37 amMy condolences to his family.
Unfortunately, he chose to KEEP LYING for the MURDEROUS Bush WAR CRIMINALS.
He WASN'T a "good man". He was a TRAITOR to the USA, just like his owners, Bush and Cheney.
God will be the one now to judge his LIES and support of MURDERERS.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:37 am>Fixed it.
Yes, yes you did. Although I'm not sure he created the war machine. Eh, semantics.
>BTW: I brought up Joseph Goebbels. A comparison of Ministers of Propaganda is fair and valid.
You're not the only one using "Nazi" accusations here though.
My main concern is that in labeling EVERYONE a Nazi, there is the risk of overuse/misuse and trivialization. It's gotten far too common, everywhere.
Goebbels to me is more valid than comparing Snow to Hitler or Pol Pot.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:38 amLyonside:
isn’t there a Net-rule that the first person to compare someone not accused of genocide to Nazis loses?
There is a saying, "The Devil is in the details". Actually the original saying was, "God is in the details". The Inquisition and Church changed the saying to "The Devil is in the details" perhaps as a means to degrading science. It was brought back by French architect Le Corbusier.
In this case, you are not paying attention to details. This, as Marcus A says, is a comparison of similar roles in similar regimes. In fact, I could argue that the Americans and Israelis are practicing genocide on Middle Eastern people. You can say the US is doing it for Freedom® and Democracy™, but every imperialistic regime has come "noble" cause for killing a massive amount of innocent people.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:41 amLet's not forget that Mr. Snow's chosen profession was as a national rat-phucquer and smiling, obsequious toady to the powerful. He willfully stood before the press of the world and told smiling, bold-faced, murderous lies...
July 12th, 2008 at 10:42 amSpeak only good of the dead?
As someone remarked on the news of Jesse Helms death earlier: My momma allus tol' me to speak good o'the dead. Helms is dead? Good.
If only they would spend time here...they would at least learn something instead of attacking and running away like the little girls that they are.
The only ones laughing are the neo-(pseudo)conservative spinsters who have your demographic by the political balls while their cashing in their millions of dollars.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:44 amMy condolences to his family, my mother passed from cancer 15 years ago.
But personally I will remember Snow for his "Just a number" comment.I will remember his total disrespect for our fallen troops.
I can sympathize with his family, but will refuse to respect someone who had no respect whatsoever for the lives of our troops nor the rest of Americans, except for the privileged elite 1%.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:44 amHe deserves whatever scorn historians will put upon him.
ralph the wonder llama Says:
Mortality is something we all face, and it’s a much more important part of life than politics.
Perhaps you missed this: Tony Snow Returns: ‘There Has Been No Attempt To Try To Link Saddam To 9/11.
Noble sentiments, but not particularly valid, when considering Snow's acts at politically whitewashing the reasons for Bush's invasion, an invasion that caused uncounted scores of Iraqis to face their mortality...
July 12th, 2008 at 10:46 amkathyedits:
Should we have mourned Pol Pot? How about Jeffey Dahmer? How about Timothy McVeigh?
Mc Veigh the patriot, a troubled young man who saw his exploitation orchestrated by an evil government. I'm sure there are many more recent Mc Veigh types who have returned from Iraq plotting revenge against the current evil government. I wouldnt' want to be a fed employee working in a multi-storied building.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:51 am"The evil that men do lives after them; the good is oft interred with their bones." - William Shakespeare, from Julius Caesar...
July 12th, 2008 at 10:59 amCondolences to those that cared about him...
Ding-dong the witch is dead.
Seems like karma has a way of catching up with the gop lately.
Good riddance to one of the most successful shills hired by the bush administration. One wonders if he had any remorse at the end for putting his loyalty to what is arguably the most corrupt and dangerous administration in history ahead of his conscience (giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming he had one).
He was a liar and an enabler and got what was coming to him.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:59 amso?
July 12th, 2008 at 11:00 amPotfry Says:
The child-like emotional state of liberals is in full bloom here at Think Progress. If anyone ever wants to see a perfect microcosm of why far left lunatics will remain irrelevant in American politics, they only need to come spend some time in this comment thread.
First off, I am neither left nor right. The right has such a filthy face that it is impossible to hide it except to robots, Fundamentalists, Likudians, Military, and Oil. Going into detail about the destructive actions by the Right is too long.
Now the left, who should know better, let Obama off the hook on FISA, want to ban vitamins (Ted Kennedy), voted for the war, are firewalling Bush against impeachment, think 9/11 happened EXACTLY as the Bush administration said it did, believe the single bullet theory, and would want the government and criminals (are they not the same?) as the only ones who own guns. After all Roosevelt, Harry Truman, and LBJ were all yahooing for war.
Personally I think, A party that is part Green, Part Labor, and part 2nd Amendment would be ideal.
Now, on that comment about being "emotional", well I have to say Liberals and Progressives have always been better artists, poets, and musicians, so there will be a more passionate reaction. I do think that there is truth on both sides of the argument. Feel sympathy for the family, but do not allow a master propagandist off the hook. Anyone who thinks he was a Noble person has an over-torqued head.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:00 amWe all know someone who has died of cancer. Most of them without the insurance that snow had.
We execute people here...you know....kill them. Do we mourn their deaths....obviously not. Do we feel badly for their families. Yes.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:00 amCondolences to his family. He was not a good man.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:04 amThey are not the same. For one thing FDR did not go looking for WWII.
They are not the same!!!!!!!!
July 12th, 2008 at 11:05 amrozerze Says
July 12th, 2008 at 10:05 am
Certainly the most honorable press secretary.
___________________________________________________________
Over what time span? If you're talking about the last two years, you may have a point. However, he didn't have much competition under that limitation.
If you're talking about all the WHPSs we've ever had, Tony Snow pales in comparison to many of them -- Bill Moyers and Pierre Salinger are just two examples. I recommend you broaden your scope a bit.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:09 amGuess you think this one thing Ted Kennedy does negates all of the positive things he has done for America in his lifetime. I really don't think that is a fair judgement.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:09 amI almost agree with Huffington"s Post.....don't allow comments, especially when a person dies. So many of the comments are inappropriate.
I sometimes think many bloggers are young insensitive men living in their parent's basements and because they don't get out much, lacking in social skills.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:11 amTo all of the right wingers who would shame anyone diparaging snow on this thread I would say where is your shame?
You bootstrap people who say that only the strong survive and that we have no obligation to help our disadvantaged and that they must either cope or die. They are dying now, thanks to your fake compassion.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:13 amrozerze Says:
Certainly the most honorable press secretary.
Rog2,
You are really on your game today. That may have been the funniest thing you have ever said here.
But I know it was a joke ....... right?
July 12th, 2008 at 11:13 ampax sniffs:
I almost agree with Huffington”s Post…..don’t allow comments, especially when a person dies. So many of the comments are inappropriate.
And rightwingers will then say bad things about us? Hasn't that been the Democratic legislative strategy, lately? Here's a news flash: they'll do it anyway, by taking what is posted out of context.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:15 amFred, I agree on the damage and complicity. Genocide, though, has been globally defined by the UN, the Hague, etc. There are rules for who can and cannot be accused/convicted of genocide. I'm not sure if Tony Snow would be included, posthumously, unless it were able to be proven that he knew what he said to be false at the time.
That said, my spouse and I are firmly of the mind that by the time we're able to save up for a European vacation, the Hague might well and truly be busy with members of this administration, and we want to be there to cheer.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:19 amBlessings to Tony Snow's family.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:20 amsay hi to Jesse Helms
July 12th, 2008 at 11:24 amFred Says:
Brain From Planet Arous Says:
Now the left, who should know better, let Obama off the hook on FISA, want to ban vitamins (Ted Kennedy)
Guess you think this one thing Ted Kennedy does negates all of the positive things he has done for America in his lifetime. I really don’t think that is a fair judgement.
Ted Kennedy has done some great things and stood as a patriot. However, banning vitamins is a very serious issue, especially to people that decide to take the alternative route to healing dangerous illness and replacing worn out hormones, or taking bilberry for diabetic retinopathy. There are so many examples to list, but this will make you stop and pause before painting Kennedy as a "man for the people". He is pharmaceutical hack, much like Obama is a telecom hack.
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2006/4/prweb367200.htm
http://www.alternet.org/healthwellness/51778/?ses=99bed212e8ba73c725438347644508e3
July 12th, 2008 at 11:25 amBrain, just for the record, I have never and will never claim that. Hell, my brother who did a Baghdad tour and my nephew who is STILL in Afghanistan will never claim that.
I'm just saying that throwing "Nazi" at everyone is generally over the top, details or not.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:25 ambarfly, I wasn't saying that Tony Snow's death made his choices and actions irrelevant.
I was saying that, when faced with the death of someone notable, I tend to focus on the universal truth of mortality. I find that far more compelling at this moment than dwelling on the politics of an individual, even if those politics have been particularly destructive.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:27 amLyonside Says:
Point taken. That being said, if you get drunk at a bar and drive away and have a wreck the bar can be held liable for allowing you to drive intoxicated.
If crimes are ever proven, and I have little faith that that will happen, then snow was an enabler.
The bottom line is, why is snow's death more relevant than anyone elses in this world? His accomplishments aside from accumulating personal wealth in a dubious manner were nil. His misdeeds however are lengthy and he was never held accountable by anyone.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:32 amRIP Snowjob. Condolences to your family.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:33 amLyonside Says:
I’m just saying that throwing “Nazi” at everyone is generally over the top, details or not.
The Nazis are the template in which we paste every imperialistic regime over, much like Ramses II, the Old Kingdom of Egypt, Rome, Napoleon, England, or Stalin.
Now, I am saying that dancing around the Neocon's accusations and trying to not look bad to them by "comparing to Nazis", is capitulation and naiveté. This is the danger that Obama is now facing. By constantly worrying about what Mini-Dictators will say, you are compromising every step of the way, as witnessed by his recent votes.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:35 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
If you ever find a politician that does every single thing that pleases you.....well you've found your guy...he probably won't be my guy though. I will have to find a different one if we use your criteria.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:36 amCancer sucks.
My condolences to his family.
That said, Karma knows all.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:38 ambratboy Says:
And to all of those who show no respect for the dead, I feel sorry for you. I would have hoped you had been brought up better than that.
So you are saying we should respect Tony Snow just because he is dead. I'm sorry but I only respect people who earned my respect. Tony Snow never came close to earning my respect. He went before the American public day after day and lied to our faces. That is not someone I will respect in life or in death.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:38 amSimply because he was a public figure. It has nothing at all to do with accomplishment or worth.
Achieving notoriety in ouyr culture has little to do with actual achievement. Take a look sometime at the "Those Born Today" lists in the newspaper. Ninety percent of them are entertainers who, while perhaps talented, are largely irrelevant to people's lives. Real achievement -- in science, statesmanship, business, law enforcement, community, whatever -- seldom results in any kind of fame that would land one a glowing tribute montage on Faux News.
It's just the way life is. It ain't fair.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:39 amHas anyone besides me noticed that this thread has brought out a record number of trolls? I wonder why that is.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:39 amFred Says:
If you ever find a politician that does every single thing that pleases you…..well you’ve found your guy…he probably won’t be my guy though. I will have to find a different one if we use your criteria.
I guess you have never had to deal with a serious illness, the ravages of Wyeth hormones, or the liver stopping of Avandia. Every person thinks a certain issue is more important than others. The Right wants corporate profits, religion in politics, war, and security.
The left will sit silently by and speak the mantra you do, as the Democrats slowly grease our butts, and take away freedoms such as I speak; choice of vitamins and health, right to privacy, and right to bear arms. IMO, the left is as brainwashed as the right on certain very important issues.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:44 amBHB - nothing brings out trolls faster than a chance to spin comments taken out of context into "leftist hate."
Condolences to his family and maybe Dana Perino should consider that maybe lying Americans to their death and saying things like "It's JUST A NUMBER" causes your guts to rot out.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:45 amIn 2007 our community lost 3 decent souls to cancer who had worked their entire lives and been good citizens. We within the community worked hard to raise the money so they could have the surgeries and therapies they needed. We failed in all three cases because the cost was just too high.
snow had his surgery and his chemotherapy. He had a much better shot at surviving than most of the good citizens of the US.
That fact alone invokes a bitterness which is unabatable.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:52 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
The democrats may be unable and undeniably unwilling to stop the destructive actions of the gop but you can't honestly say that you believe that if the dems were in complete control as the gop has been that they would initiate wars, spying on citizens, and all of the other evils of the gop that you wish to attach to the democrats.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:57 amBrain From Planet Arous Says:
Compare what is happening how under the gop leadership to what has occurred under past democratic majorities:
social security
unions
space program
civil rights
war on poverty
ect.
please.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:00 pmI have never had time to blog. I'm too busy making a living for my family and not expecting the government to pay my way. But today, in reading the press release on Tony Snow, I realized what has happened in our country. You people only have time to spread your hate. You have no morals or decency about you. You are making our country the laughing stock of the world. It's a disgrace. I'm sad that Tony Snow died. I liked him. The hatred because President Bush won twice is unbelievable. The silent majority spoke then and will speak again in November. We're lucky to have George Bush as our President because he's strong and does what is necessary. And, by the way I was raised a democrat. But, now that I have common sense, I've changed.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:02 pmI do not rejoice in any man’s death, but I will not weep for this one. They say you should not speak ill of the dead. Well, by the same token, you should not lie your ass off about them saying glowing things that are not true, either. And when the things you say in praise of the dead are so obviously untrue, then it just makes your sentiments that much less sincere.
Tony Snow had a job to do for the Bush Administration, and that job was to make sure that the media only reported what the White House wanted reported. And the last thing the White House wanted out out there, in almost every instance, was the full truth. If it truly was “a joy to watch Tony at the podium each day,” that could only be because he was doing his job of misleading the public. Not simply steering the press away from an angle on a story that would be unflattering to them, but actively steering the press away from the truths that would expose the administration for the congential liars they are. And all to continue to support a war that should never have been waged in the first place. (Mr. Snow’s other employer, Rupert Murdoch, was guilty of the same thing.)
Tony Snow is going to get a lot of praise this weekend. Furthermore, it would come as no surprise to me if Fox News Channel decides that Tony should get more coverage than Tim Russert got when he, too, passed away at too early an age. Although I didn’t turn my TV on this morning, I’m sure they were running big tributes. It will be interesting to see how FNC’s competitor’s handle this. Tim Russert was well-respected by both sides of the aisle in DC. I do not believe Tony Snow earned the same reputation as Russert.
My condolences to his family, and I am sorry they lost their father and husband. But when it comes to his jobs and the things he did for his country, I have no praise to give him. He played an important part in continuing to cover up the crimes of this administration. Even if he deliberately kept himself away from the actual facts just so he could truthfully say, from time to time, “I don’t know,” he should not have acted like it was impossible that Bush was lying. He wasn’t working for Bush when the Iraq War started, but he was still cheering it on from his job at FNC. And for that, he should never be forgiven.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:06 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
barfly, I wasn’t saying that Tony Snow’s death made his choices and actions irrelevant.
I was saying that, when faced with the death of someone notable, I tend to focus on the universal truth of mortality. I find that far more compelling at this moment than dwelling on the politics of an individual, even if those politics have been particularly destructive.
And I'm saying that in certain instances (like Tony Snow's) the two - politics and mortality - are so intertwined, it's impossible to separate the two, and make a politically-correct condolence. To attempt to do so, is morally corrupt, and in part validates the man, and what he stood for. History will judge Snow - and for him, it began today.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:07 pmhobbe
You might be welcome at LGF, but here you are not. Any citizen of the United States that thinks we are lucky to have Chimpy as president is ignorant, mentally unbalanced, or just plain stupid. Which one are you hobbe?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:09 pmSo you just took the time today so you could show your ass?
Don't come here calling us the haters.
Got mirror?
Oh, and that common sense remark is really funny.
I would have responded with an intelligent answer to anything you might have had to say but you just came to sling insults so.....right back at ya.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:10 pmAfter Snow was diagnosed with cancer, he had the CHOICE to do the RIGHT THING and TELL THE TRUTH about the GENOCIDE of the Bushies.
He chose to KEEP ON LYING, right under the watchful eye of the Almighty God.
He CHOSE his path: DARKNESS and ETERNAL DAMNATION.
For that, he will likely end up with Jesse Helms and Ronald Reagan in MASTER Satan's world.
Along with the Bush WAR CRIMINALS, especially George and Dickie, whose EVIL is LOVED by their FUTURE MASTER Satan.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:11 pmhobbe Says:
I'm a traitor-lovin' zombie! And we're going to win in november! Zombies - '08! Woohoo!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:14 pmYou people only have time to spread your hate....
REALLY?
Then we should be getting PAID like Rush and Coulter and Malkin and O'Dildo who MAKE MILLIONS by
LYING TO THE AMERICAN PUBLIC and SPREADING HATE.
The BIGGEST liar of all is Bush.
He will be answering to the Almighty God for his LIES and GENOCIDE, just as Tony Snow is presently doing...
July 12th, 2008 at 12:15 pmArgentine and Fred-----You'll see in November!!!! Have a great day!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:17 pmPlant him with a pile-driver, I say. To make sure he doesn't accidently pop back up...
July 12th, 2008 at 12:19 pmhobbe Says:
July 12th, 2008 at 12:02 pm
There are just too many absurd sentences in this post to point out the ignorance behind them all. When I look back on all the people I have seen running for public office on the idea of hating your fellow human beings, they have been conservatives almost to a person. (We have a local Assemblyman fighting for his party's renomination because of all the hate he's fomented during his time in Albany. He's an anti-immigrant bigoted Republican.) As for morals and decency, the ones who have been opposed to the war in Iraq since before it started have WAY more morals and decency than the people who, to this day, despite the overwhelming evidence that Bush lied to all of us (and Tony Snow was a part of those lies), continue to support the president and his war of choice. We don't hate Bush because "he won twice", we hate him not only because he is the worst president in our nation's history, but that he cheated to win those two elections. He did not "win fairly and squarely" in either one, and that is a fact. We are not "lucky" that George Bush is our president, because HE is the reason we are the "laughing stock of the world." When did you acquire this "common sense" of which you speak so highly?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:20 pmI am never HAPPY when someone dies, but this was a bad man. As many former Bushies are "coming clean" and trying their best to enter sainthood, this guy willing went to the grave as a perpetuator of lies, greed, and all around evil. Scott McClellan is wiping his brow right now, while others, no doubt, are doing some soul searching. That's all I'm saying, I'm leaving now to take my daughter to the matinee to see Hellboy 2. God bless.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:21 pmGod is a merciful God. He was not a traitor. This should not have happened. Not with today's technology. Snow was way too young. Many people wait 10 years for colon checkups. When your doctor tells you this, you need to change doctors or adamantly tell him that you will take the screening test NOW and every 3-5 years.
My hunch is that he waited too long. I have taken three colonoscopies and all have discovered polyps. All benign.
I am not even 50!! But since my family members died of colon cancer the only way to beat this is EARLY DETECTION.
RIP Snow.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:23 pmhobbe Says:
Argentine and Fred—–You’ll see in November!!!! Have a great day!
So will YOU. Have a great next 8 YEARS with PRESIDENT OBAMA!
P.S. I hope TRAITOR Bush drops dead soon and goes to hell with Tony and the TREASONOUS Ronald Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:23 pmHe had a nicer veneer on his lies and hatred than most of the despicable mouthpieces of both FOX and the bushco occupation.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:23 pmEven after everything, I'm sorry for Tony (and his family) today. :-(
¶ AIO
July 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pmFor neocon reptiles, justice comes in this form.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:25 pmSorry, Snow WAS a TRAITOR to the USA, being a LIAR and ENABLER of the TREASONOUS Bush WAR CRIMINALS.
After being detected with cancer, He MADE HIS CHOICE--to KEEP ON LYING for these MURDERERS.
God HEARS the LIES of Snow and Bush and Cheney and HEARS their LIES, as well as the cries of the DEAD and wounded from their LIES.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:27 pmSo, if Tony get interred, won't they need a permit for storage of toxic waste?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:30 pmGod: Please forgive some of these idiots posting here for they know NOT what they talk. This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with COLON CANCER.
Word to the wise: EARLY DETECTION WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:31 pmMr. Arn:
Please stop the vitriol. You are killing me here with your hate.
Another point: WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN BOLD EVERYTHING YOU WRITE? DO YOU LACK SO MUCH SELF CONFIDENCE IN OUR ABILITY TO READ YOUR STUFF?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pmMr. Arn:
How do you know they are burning in hell? If you know then yikes......you must be SATAN!!!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pmIdiots?
If I go get a screening now and they find something it will be considered a pre-existing condition if I'm ever able to afford insurance and they would not cover it.
Can't afford it on my own....well I guess I could let them have my house....they asked me once over a medical bill if I owned any land......
Thread's about Tony Snow's passing.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:41 pmmissionimpossible Says
July 12th, 2008 at 12:31 pm
This has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with COLON CANCER.
Word to the wise: EARLY DETECTION WILL SAVE YOUR LIFE.
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Point taken -- colon cancer can strike any of us, and regular screenings are a smart thing to do. We should all take heed.
Also, you are correct that Tony Snow's death has nothing to do with politics. Very few deaths have to do with politics unless they are due to assassinations, wars, or other political violence.
However, Snow's life had a great deal to do with politics. And when someone dies, it's not that unusual to review that person's life as well as the tragedy of their death.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:43 pmAt least now he won't have to worry about "hugging the tarbaby"
July 12th, 2008 at 12:47 pmmissionimpossible,
I agree completely that early detection of colon cancer can save hundreds, if not thousands, of lives every year. Everyone should get checked.
That having been said, the only reason that this story is even on TP is because Tony Snow was a part of the political history of this country. It is wrong to think that "this has nothing to do with politics and everything to do with colon cancer." If it was just about colon cancer, it wouldn't be posted on a politcal blog.
The reason it is here is because of the mission of this site, part of which is to help expose curruption in the administration. Tony Snow was a major part of that corruption even before and after he was employed by them. That people are willing to lie and say that he did great work and was any kind of asset to our country needs to be addressed and corrected. I really am sorry for his family to have to endure this, but Tony Snow was no angel, and if he hadn't helped this administration with its lies, more people might be alive today. (I concede that it's also possible that even if Tony Snow never worked for the WH, just as many people would be dead. But maybe if he wasn't such a good liar, more people would have seen that Bush lied much sooner. In the eternal battle of Good vs. Evil, Tony Snow chose the side of Evil. And we just can't praise that.)
July 12th, 2008 at 12:48 pmAlso, you are correct that Tony Snow’s death has nothing to do with politics.
If it weren't for politics, Snow would be a nobody (and we certainly wouldn't be discussing him), so your point is slightly off.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pmNat Turner Says:
flagged for blatant racism.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:52 pmmissionimpossible Says:
Mr. Arn:
Please stop the vitriol. You are killing me here with your hate.
Another point: WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN BOLD EVERYTHING YOU WRITE? DO YOU LACK SO MUCH SELF CONFIDENCE IN OUR ABILITY TO READ YOUR STUFF?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:37 pm
Arn speaks the truth, not 'vitriol'. Tony Snow lied to enable the Bush Administration to continue their illegal war, causing the deaths of (at least) hundreds of thousands of humans, including 4,100+ American military. Sometimes the truth needs to be shouted in boldface - you are using it yourself to emphasize your own point.
missionimpossible Says:
Mr. Arn:
How do you know they are burning in hell?
July 12th, 2008 at 12:39 pm
You're the one calling on your God here, ask Him--I'm sure he'd answer that people whose lies result in innocent deaths do not belong in heaven!
July 12th, 2008 at 12:52 pmHey Fred, was Ratface's comment meant for me and you? If it was directed at me, Saint Augustine, then it shows just how poorly ratface reads. Obviously ratface, in seeing Argentine instead of Augustine, sees only what it wants to see. Typical republiscum IMHO.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:54 pmAlso, you are correct that Tony Snow’s death has nothing to do with politics. Very few deaths have to do with politics unless they are due to assassinations, wars, or other political violence.
We wouldn't even know there was a Tony Snow, without politics. He was a political creature, and his passing, whether you agree or not, is a political event.
July 12th, 2008 at 12:54 pmYes I was struck with sadness when I saw word of his death. He was a person who had loved ones and a life on this planet.
I still disagree with his politics.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:02 pmIt is amazing to see so many angry idiots in the same blog. People, you need help!!!!! You don't like this country? Please, go away. Chavez and Castro will take care of you.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:04 pmGood riddance.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:06 pmOut of respect for this man's family, I'll hold my tongue though I have PLENTY to say about this man. I'll hold my tongue and watch for the regressives response to Jimmy Carter's death, or Ted Kennedy's. We'll all get a lesson in decency then, I'm sure. Condolences to his family. His children lost a father, not a spokesperson. I have children and the thought of someone cheering my death because of political disagreement is not a good one. Can't wait to hear about Phil Gramm, though. Truly evil bastard. The martini fixin's are already on ice.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:08 pmGame of Life Says:
One of the best liars chimpy hired.
Agreed. Ari Fleischer was also a great liar based on his natural ability and passionate love of lying. But, Tony Snow was a consummate professional liar, trained at Fox News. The White House Press Corp always knew he was lying, but he did it with such ease and flair that they couldn't help admire him and join in on the fun.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:08 pmcounterattack Says:
We're angry BECAUSE we love this country, we just hate this lying maladministration that's ruining it. If you like the way our country is being run, then you're the idiot who needs help.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:09 pmFred says watch this
July 12th, 2008 at 1:09 pmI saw it live athe time and wasn't amused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUwIrkcM2M
counterattack Says:
It is amazing to see so many angry idiots in the same blog. People, you need help!!!!! You don’t like this country? Please, go away. Chavez and Castro will take care of you.
Who said we don't like this country? We don't like the current president and the people who think he's done a wonderful job ruining, I'm sorry, I meant "running" the country.
The fact is that we love our country as much as anybody, and we don't like seeing it destroyed by criminals like Bush and Cheney and the people like Tony Snow who supported and defended them throughout.
So, if you dislike being around people who love their country, maybe it's you who should go away. But I don't think Raul will take care of you.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:12 pmBreaking News!
According to the Associated Press, while Cheney was undergoing his annual physical exam, his Washington Doctor Team were astounded:
there was no heart...
July 12th, 2008 at 1:17 pmcounterattack,
Christ that line is so tired!
I just can't help but think of Jethro Bodine with straw hanging out of his mouth in his best southern drawl "hyuck, well by gawd if'n you dont like it yall can get tha hell out"
July 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pmyou hayseeds crack me up!
Just as getting shot down does not qualify one to be president, dying does not expiate a life of cynical deception and profound arrogance.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:18 pmSnow prostituted himself for GB and the Republican Party. That is his legacy.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:19 pmProfessionally, he was a lousy journalist, but it's sad that he died. My father died of cancer and it's a tough way to go. My condolences to his family.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:21 pmWayne A. Schneider Says:
Who said we don’t like this country? We don’t like the current president...
Wayne, these Bush worshippers don't see the difference. To them, Bush is America. The people and laws of the United States exist only in the context of Bushworld, and our only purpose is to serve at Bush's pleasure.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:23 pmNat Turner Says:
Fred says watch this
I saw it live athe time and wasn’t amused
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xdUwIrkcM2M
According to Fred, this another minor disagreement, and we can't agree with everything the Democrats have done or will do which are:
Patriot Act
Iraq Occupation
Afghanistan Occupation
Immunity and expansion of unconstitutional Wiretaps
Taking Impeachment "Off The Table"
Kyl-Lieberman Iran Amendment
Bill Clinton's "Federalism" Executive Order 13083
Bill Clinton Executive Order 12919
Poised to ban vitamins and bio-identicals
Democrats and Republicans...Globalists from different sides of the aisle brainwashing different mind sets.
So now Fred, how many amendments to the Constitution do you need to see "compromised" before you wake up?
July 12th, 2008 at 1:24 pmJust imagine for a moment:
If this had been Bush dying today.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:26 pmThere would be a World Wide Party like you wouldn't believe.
missionimpossible Says:
Mr. Arn:
Please stop the vitriol. You are killing me here with your hate.
Another point: WHY DO YOU HAVE TO PUT IN BOLD EVERYTHING YOU WRITE? DO YOU LACK SO MUCH SELF CONFIDENCE IN OUR ABILITY TO READ YOUR STUFF?
Sorry, Bushlicker.
NO "hate" at all.
Just telling the TRUTH about Bush and Snow and the RREST of the TRAITORS against the USA.
If it hits a "nerve", GOOD. The TRUTH in your face is something that little COXUCKER punk TRAITOR Bush needed more often.
God Bless America.
RIP Tony.
Unfortunately, you MADE your CHOICE to continue to LIE to the American public concerning an ILLEGAL WAR when you KNEW you were DYING.
You chose EVIL and the MURDEROUS Bush WAR CRIMINALS over REPENTING and telling the TRUTH. You MADE your bed...
July 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pmI never said I agreed with everything democrats do.
Just weigh the differences in who might be running things next, that's all.
It will be either a democrat or a republican.
There are differences, that's all I have said.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:31 pmBut then again...I can't help but remember the absolute glee among the Neanderthals when it was announced Ted Kennedy had a tumor...
July 12th, 2008 at 1:35 pmNat Turner Says:
I'm sorry Nat....please excuse my ignorance about this. You can surely see how your initial post might have been taken incorrectly.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:38 pmBush's only hope of a favorable legacy would be from Seppuku. Seppuku was a key part of bushido, the code of the samurai warriors; it was used by warriors to avoid falling into enemy hands, and to attenuate shame.
Unfortunately, Chimpy has no shame or honor, and he's already feathering his nest in South America where he'll be welcomed by his fellow Nazis I'm sure.
As a citizen of the United States I hereby consent to other nations arresting George and Dick and any other member of this administration and trying them for their illegal actions.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:40 pmAs a citizen of the United States I hereby consent to other nations arresting George and Dick and any other member of this administration and trying them for their illegal actions.
As a fellow citizen, I second that consent. Any country that finds any of these people within its borders is free to arrest them and punish them to the fullest extent of the law. If the Republican Party wants people to think of them as the "Law & Order" party, then it's high time they started obeying the law.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:43 pmFred Says:
I never said I agreed with everything democrats do.
Just weigh the differences in who might be running things next, that’s all.
It will be either a democrat or a republican.
There are differences, that’s all I have said.
Then weigh this:
http://www.wsws.org/articles/2008/jul2008/econ-j12.shtml
Do you understand that the whole lot are globalists, and want corporations running our lives?
Republicans want Oil, Military, and Big Religion among others
Democrats want telecoms, pharmaceuticals, and hedge funds among others.
Fast, dry hump or slow, greased hump.
Either way, as my Polish grandma would say, "My Dupa still hurts".
July 12th, 2008 at 1:44 pmThe White House is reportedly considering Fox News' Tony Snow to replace outgoing White House press secretary Scott McClellan. White House officials recently spoke with Snow "to see if he would be interested in the job," according to The New York Times. Snow is the host of Fox News Radio's The Tony Snow Show, a regular commentator and guest host on Fox News, and a former speechwriter to President George H.W. Bush.
From his statement that evolutionary theory is a "hypothesis" to his defense of Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, Media Matters for America has documented numerous false and misleading claims advanced by Snow as a Fox News commentator:
* Snow falsely asserted that former ambassador Joseph C. Wilson IV said his wife, Valerie Plame, "wasn't covert for six years" before she was exposed as a CIA operative by syndicated columnist Robert Novak.
* Snow put forward numerous falsehoods to argue that "[e]volutionary theory, like ID [intelligent design], isn't verifiable or testable. It's pure hypothesis."
* Snow claimed that Supreme Court Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg is the "most liberal justice in American history," despite evidence to the contrary.
* Snow peddled the baseless Republican National Committee talking point that 2004 presidential candidate Sen. John Kerry (D-MA) had blamed U.S. troops for the explosives looted from the Al Qaqaa military installation following the invasion of Iraq. Snow said, "[T]he Kerry campaign is not criticizing the president here. They're criticizing our troops."
* Following President Bush's lead, Snow distorted Kerry's stated desire to reduce terrorism to a "horrible nuisance." Snow claimed Kerry had "called terrorists a nuisance."
* Snow backed Swift Boat Veterans for Truth's attacks on Kerry, falsely claiming, "[T]here has been no documentary contradiction of the Swift Boat stuff."
* Snow falsely defended Bush from probing questions regarding his National Guard service.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:49 pmbarfly Says
July 12th, 2008 at 12:49 pm
If it weren’t for politics, Snow would be a nobody (and we certainly wouldn’t be discussing him), so your point is slightly off.
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No, Tony Snow probably would have died of colon cancer whether he was famous or not, whether he had anything to do with politics or not, whether he was a conservative or not. His death from colon cancer had nothing to do with who or what he was, and I stand by my point.
It's because of his life that we are discussing him, not his death. If he had been a bus driver or a steelworker instead of who he was, his death wouldn't have even been a blip on anybody's radar outside of his family and friends.
July 12th, 2008 at 1:50 pmBrain From Planet Arous
A democrat or a republican will be elected in the fall of 08. Your actions in the polls will help elect one or the other. If you don't vote for a democrat then you are voting for mccain.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:08 pmBrain From Planet Arous Says:
I understand that you see no difference between dems and reps but for myself and many others there is the reality of the era of Bill Clinton's 90', you know the one you keep saying is just like the republicans, and the last 8 years.
I am no longer trying to convince you Brain. But I will refute your notion that dems and reps are the same every time I see it for balance if you will. All is not lost unless you give up.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pmWith cancer having no political affiliation, it can be universally agreed that it's a miserable way for anyone to roll a seven. Potential strides in the treatment of cancer, on the other hand, have been tethered by the hypocritical stance on stem-cell research by the administration that embraces the sanctity of human life in one breath and prattles merrily about shock and awe in the next. May wiser policy-making heads prevail so we might open the door to the subatomic breakthrough that brings this disease to its knees in our lifetime.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pmTony Snow stood up for what he believed in, got involved with the process, and served his country.
He was loved by many and will be missed.
Condolences to the family.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pmWhile 53 is too young to die of anything, please remember, if he were a nobody, a regular person, chances are he would have died long before now. Tony Snow made plenty of money and had all the right connections. I'm sure he had medical care that the average American could not have access to nor could afford.
Would that we all could have the kind of medical care he undoubtedly had.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pmIt is just too bad that he will be remembered as a mouth piece of the Bush administration. I couldn't believe it when he took the job and I couldn't believe what an ass-hole he acted like in support of our ass-wipe of a president.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pmCondolences to his family.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:39 pmFred Says:
A democrat or a republican will be elected in the fall of 08. Your actions in the polls will help elect one or the other. If you don’t vote for a democrat then you are voting for mccain.
This is such as silly, worn out phrase. If Democrats are so "Progressive", then why are they enabling the Republicans every step of the way?
Obviously, you care ZERO about the Constitution, otherwise you would not make such comments. Obama is a liar. McCain is Insane.
You call that a choice? Obama traded many Progressives votes for Republicans figuring his Wall Street enablers are more important, and most people are ignoramuses when it comes to the Bill of Rights.
While it is true that most of the people that are intelligent, forward thinking people are Democrats, having a mulatto corporatist is by design. I am tired of this lesser of two evils crap. We The People are being sold up the river no matter who gets in.
Snarling Fascism/Corporatism didn't work with Bush and Cheney. Now the globalists will use a smooth talking, friendly "Mr Cool" to further their agenda.
Even his big support by Archer Daniels Midland/Chevron tells me he does not really want Hydrogen Fuel Cell/Electric/Solar.
The day after his "coronation" as Democrat Nominee, who does he speak to? AIPAC.
While this may have swayed off of Tony Snow, it is related. Smooth talking corporatists, whose followers are blind to what their real agendas are.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:40 pm"Tony Snow stood up for what he believed in, got involved with the process, and served his country."-Backup
Slight modification:
July 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pm
kathyedits Says:
But guess what? He was not evil. He was, from all accounts, a decent person who happened to be very conservative. He was not Jesse Helms. He did not go around talking about the inferiority of black people or the disgusting repulsiveness of gays and lesbians. I often heard him express opinions that drove me crazy, but I never heard him say something I thought was cruel or malicious.
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Oh really,..
Wasn't this the Fascist Pig who uttered the TAR BABY comment ? Oops,.. my bad,.. that was John Kennedy or Dr. King who said that deplorable thing.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:48 pmZed Lefflin Says:
you completely miss the point as usual. He had health insurance that most of us don't have....that is the point.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pmCondolences to his family. It's a sad day when anyone dies this young, even if he was one of the evil ones.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:55 pmbackup says; blah, blah, blah, blah.
Tony has NEVER served his country, instead, he served his Fuhrer. Jackboots, goose-step, and swastika included.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pmYes, Tony Snow served the Bush Administration. An administration that was elected by a majority of Americans.
If you don't like the Bush Administration, that is very understandable. But, it's the system we work with. This November, you have an opportunity to pick someone else to run the country.
But, by serving the Bush Administration elected by the people under our system of government, Tony Snow served his country.
I may disagree with a public servants politics, but I appreciate that there are people willing to serve.
I guess if we feel we could do a better job, we should step up to the plate.
July 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pmFreedom of speech lives here. Tony LIED and many DIED.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:04 pmMaybe if someone had been given the opportunity to step up to the plate besides this enabler we would be having a different conversation.
he was hand picked for his undying(pardon the pun)loyalty.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pmWrong. As usual, facts are not your forte. Try again
July 12th, 2008 at 3:10 pmHere's a more objective opinion of the tar baby comment.
http://wizbangblog.com/content/2006/05/17/white-house-press-secretary-to.php
July 12th, 2008 at 3:12 pmYes, Tony Snow served the Bush Administration. An administration that was elected by a majority of Americans.
He wasn't elected by a majority of Americans. I don't think any president has been elected by a majority of Americans in a long time.
If you don’t like the Bush Administration, that is very understandable. But, it’s the system we work with. This November, you have an opportunity to pick someone else to run the country.
I don't believe Bush won either the 2000 or 2004 elections legitimately.
I may disagree with a public servants politics, but I appreciate that there are people willing to serve.
I don't appreciate some of the people willing to serve.
I guess if we feel we could do a better job, we should step up to the plate.
I think most people can do a better job than the current crop of people running our government but some really don't have a passion for politics nor the money.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pm2004 Popular vote Bush: 60,639,281 Kerry: 57,355,978
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_2004
Matt, maybe you're using different numbers. Let me know how my facts are wrong.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pmThanks, Fred @ 197.
And yes, both elections were stolen: 2000 and 2004.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pmYou are wrong.....flat out wrong. Try again.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pmback-up once proves again that vile reich-wing twits have zero concept of facts and reality.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pmAn administration that was elected by a majority of Americans.
Wrong. As usual, facts are not your forte. Try again
Again, you are wrong. Only 50 to 60 percent of Americans who are eligible to vote actually vote.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pmbackup Says: Yes, Tony Snow served the Bush Administration. An administration that was elected by a majority of Americans.
No he wasn't. He was appointed by the Supreme Court. All independent re-counts show that Al Gore won Florida.
Also, the proven "malfunctions" of Diehold make his 2004 'win' questionable as well.
He may have served two terms, but his legitimacy is questionable, and his legacy is solidified as the worst President the United States has ever had.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pmFor starters:
July 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pm
backup, keep backing up and see if you can get away from this site that you seem to have a problem with. Shoo now, go away, you've been here long enough today to get your jollies off, haven't you?
July 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pmBackup, an excerpt from your link....
What? you want to argue the semantics of bigotry?
July 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pmReich-wingers always fail to note that the majority of voters didn't even want herr dubyah in the first place.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pmIm caught in the middle here, while I think snow was obviously deserving of hatred, I cant celebrate his death.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pmI haven't read all the posts, but whatever you think of his politics, please keep in mind that Tony was a human being, and not one person on this earth deserves to die of cancer. For 6 years I watched my father-in-law slowly die from leukemia and lymphoma. It is not a joy to watch.
My condolences to the Snow family.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:33 pmMy father died for liver cancer at age 59. It was a very slow and extruciating demise.
It's Tony Snow's children for whom I feel condolences. They did not choose him as their father, and how that he has passed, it is they who will carry the weight of his illness, his passing, and ultimately, his choice to support the corrupt Bush Regime.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:43 pmbackup Says:
An administration that was elected by a majority of Americans.
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Matt, maybe you’re using different numbers. Let me know how my facts are wrong.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pm
The election of 2000 is what got the current Bush regime going, so that's the one that you need to focus on. Gore won the popular vote, which means, my dear friend, that more people preferred him than Bush.
If not for the "war" on terror (and the other factors mentioned elsewhere), Bush II would have met the same fate as his father. A pity that he didn't.
Oh, and while I'm at it, I submit this: all the righties are drooling at McCain's political "experience" vs. Obama's as a major factor in the current presidential race. If one subscribes to this, then McCain would have been the better choice in 2000 as the nominee. Bush had all of 6 years of experience in politics prior to running in 2000.
But, umm, there was the bit about McCain's mental capacity back then. Apparently he's been cured.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:45 pmbackup Says:
Yes, Tony Snow served the Bush Administration. An administration that was elected by a majority of Americans.
As has been pointed out, Bush was not elected by a majority of Americans, and certainly not in 2000. That is a fact. It is also a fact, however much you may not like acknowledging it, that the Republicans stole the elections in 2000 and 2004. And when I say "stole", I mean they did not win them fairly and squarely and even violated the law to do it. Again, easily provable if you are willing to open your eyes.
I may disagree with a public servants politics, but I appreciate that there are people willing to serve.
Actually you should concern yourself very much with why they want to serve. For example, do you really believe that Dick Cheney wanted to "serve" his country out of the goodness, if any, of his heart, if any? Or is it more plausible that he wanted to "serve" so he could enrich the already wealthy and ruin government oversight of its own wrongdoing? If you think the former, you are too naive to post on political blogs.
I guess if we feel we could do a better job, we should step up to the plate.
Well, it's not like you or I could walk up to the White House and submit a job application for Press Secretary and really expect to be called in for a chance to get the job. Tony Snow got his job because he was willing to lie for the administration and because he believed in the illegal causes they supported, which he demonstrated through his radio and television commentary.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pmI’ll hold my tongue and watch for the regressives response to Jimmy Carter’s death, or Ted Kennedy’s. We’ll all get a lesson in decency then..
Marlow at #163:
No need to wait. Here's a typical example from a bigot and rightwingnut Republiscum when Kennedy's brain tumor was discovered:
http://messages.yahoo.com/Recreation_%26_Sports/Sports/Football_%28American%29/College_and_University/threadview?bn=7737565%23offtopicdiscussions&tid=68433&mid=68554
July 12th, 2008 at 3:55 pmMiss Hussein Molly:
No, Tony Snow probably would have died of colon cancer whether he was famous or not, whether he had anything to do with politics or not, whether he was a conservative or not. His death from colon cancer had nothing to do with who or what he was, and I stand by my point.
It’s because of his life that we are discussing him, not his death. If he had been a bus driver or a steelworker instead of who he was, his death wouldn’t have even been a blip on anybody’s radar outside of his family and friends.
It was because of his life - and subsequent death that we are talking about Snow. As I said before, the two are intertwined, and one cannot speak of one, without the other. He was pushing political viewpoints until just weeks before his death, knowing full well that history would soon be judging him. He obviously didn't mind doing that, while he was slowly, consciously losing the fight against cancer. He could have spent the time getting right with the folks he's spun for so long, meaning us, but he chose to remain silent, and take what he knew with him to the grave. That's definitely not the same as some anonymous bus driver or a steelworker, who's life hadn't been spent offering half-truths and hyperbole for money.
July 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pmAs Fox News assclown John Gibson infamously said upon the death of Keith Ledger, He's was a weirdo with serious drug problem (OK, the drugs in Snow's case were for cancer, but still, i shed no tears for him).
http://thelieshavenotimproved.blogspot.com/
July 12th, 2008 at 3:58 pmGore had more of the popular vote in 2000. Bush was elected by the electoral college. Obviously, the role the supreme court played and which recounts you want to consider, will be debated long after we're gone. I concede the ambiguity of 2000.
But, regardless of that, Bush came up for reconsideration in 2004. If Americans didn't want him after the first 4 years, that was their opportunity. Snow worked for Bush during the 2nd term after Bush was elected by a majority of Americans and the electoral college.
He served the Bush Administration and by extension the American people that put Bush into office for a 2nd term.
Regardless of the politics, I appreciate the people willing to serve. If we don't like the job their doing, it's the responsibility of the American people to elect people that can do a better job. But, crucify the volunteers? That doesn't make sense to me.
Tony Snow, I appreciate the time you took to serve your country. Thank you.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pmBut, regardless of that, Bush came up for reconsideration in 2004. If Americans didn’t want him after the first 4 years, that was their opportunity. Snow worked for Bush during the 2nd term after Bush was elected by a majority of Americans and the electoral college.
I told you before that he wasn't elected by a majority of Americans.
He served the Bush Administration and by extension the American people that put Bush into office for a 2nd term.
Yes, at the expense of the country.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pmMarcus Aurelius
Have you seen someone die in a hospice from cancer? Because I have and it is anything but dignified as I watched a vibrant woman waste away into someone I hardly recognized as death took her away bit-by-bit in the last days of her life. I know you and others feel it is your moral crusade to remind us of how horrible Tony Snow was in life, but I imagine having his body eat away at him and having his family watch would give you pause for a moment. Then again, you're showing your own hatred can't show even an ounce of compassion for a split second. You judge one death as acceptable and others as not. You've shown all the true qualities of the people you are rallying against. Congrats...you've now become all that you hate!
July 12th, 2008 at 4:10 pmSnow was a jerk-off.Good riddance.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:12 pmRegardless of the politics, I appreciate the people willing to serve. If we don’t like the job their doing, it’s the responsibility of the American people to elect people that can do a better job.
We tried this approach in 2004 but election officials in Ohio did everything possible (legal, illegal and unethical) to suppress Democratic turnout in Ohio.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pmSnow worked for Bush during the 2nd term after Bush was elected by a majority of Americans and the electoral college.
Ummm...no. He was elected by a majority of registered voters who bothered to get out and vote. Not quite the same as "a majority of Americans."
Even the Bush administration itself shies away from the 2000 debacle, as Bush's bio opens in this manner:
George W. Bush is the 43rd President of the United States. He was sworn into office on January 20, 2001, re-elected on November 2, 2004, and sworn in for a second term on January 20, 2005.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pmIOW, not a mention about the ELECTION of 2000.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:25 pmTony Snow was a terrible journalist causing irreparable damage to this country; that is his legacy! The spinmaster denialists lost an Icon. I don't think him dying of cancer is a good thing, and I feel for his family, but I surely wont miss him being to spread his hatred. In all honesty he was a slime ball and a bigot. Good riddance Tony...if there is a god I hope she forgives you for what I can not.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:32 pmHey Backup...
Snow once told the WH press corps that Congress did not have oversight authority over the president.
1. Do you agree?
2. Do you think Snow privately disagreed? If so, do you support his lie?
July 12th, 2008 at 4:35 pmsectionop92 Says:
I guess you think you are the only one to have someone die of cancer. News flash. It happens every day. We all have someone who has succumed to cancer....we know what it is. Snow had good health insurance....he had a fighting chance....most Americans today do not.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:43 pmsectionop92 Says
snow's efforst for the gop left millions of Americans to fight their cancer without the benifit of insurance.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:45 pmbackup Says:
Tony Snow stood up for what he believed in,
Interesting. So, you are telling us that Snow believed all of those lies he told?
backup Says:
Yes, Tony Snow served the Bush Administration. An administration that was elected by a majority of Americans.
Oops! You made a slight mistake. Here, let me fix it for you.
Yes, Tony Snow served the Bush Administration. An administration that was elected by a majority of the Supreme Court.
July 12th, 2008 at 4:56 pmbackup Says:
I concede the ambiguity of 2000.
But, regardless of that, Bush came up for reconsideration in 2004. If Americans didn’t want him after the first 4 years, that was their opportunity.
Well, except for the hundreds of thousands of African Americans who never got to vote in Cleveland and Columbus because Ken Blackwell didn't send enough voting machines to their precincts. They never got their opportunity.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:01 pmFunny to hear the people who destined millions to dye of aids around the world show so much compassion when one of their own dies of something that might have been cured if we had started stem cell research sooner.
Funny for the people who have been telling us for years that the poor and disadvantaged must die or pull themselves up by their proverbial bootstraps show so much concern for this man who was a professional distorter of truth with an agenda and is in part responsible for those totally unessessary deaths.
Funny to hear backup say snow belived the lies he told. Sad really because you know he knew they were lies. He told them to further the cause he really believed in. All for him and his.....nothing for the rest of us.
We should be sad that this person can no longer contribute to the effort to push our country back into the stone age?
Funny to hear the tough talking right insist that we are the barbarians. We don't shed a tear at the death of a guy who did all he could to make life hard for us and you call us barbarians for that?
Where are the right wingers to say that snow was personally responsible for his own death because he died of an easily preventable disease....early prevention is the answer and he had insurance....really, why did he die of this preventable disease in a country with the best health care in the world and he was as well insured as anyone in America?
July 12th, 2008 at 5:14 pmFred
Good job...you're taking one man's death and putting your political spin on it. Oh, trust me...I know I'm not alone on the cancer subject. Instead of showing you are the better person of the better party, you're slinging mud over a dead man's grave. Congrats on becoming a utter slimeball! I'm sure you and the others like you think you have the best of intentions of reminding us who Snow was and the legacy he left behind. But you fail to realize the worst things can come of something like this. If we can't respect the fact that a man died and have to cannibalized him mere hours after the fact, then how can you say you're better than the neocons you say you hate when you use one of their cherished tactics? You simply don't get that the fine line between one side and the other can merely be showing some damned compassion for a few people you normally wouldn't think about. So if I'm on my high horse for that, than so be it. But I'm not going to stand by and not voice my outrage when I see people who post day and night how they hate the GOP, FOX News, etc. and use this dirty trick, only to use the shield of the truths to make it easier to carve into Snow's corpse.
It speaks for the times we live in when a corpse can't even be buried and the focus and evaluation of their life is explored ten times over and commented on furiously, as the importance is overblown the the grief is exploited.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:21 pmI have personal corpses that snow is partially responsible for. People who I knew when they were alive that didn't have to die when they did except for the efforts of snow and yourself....please try to understand that.
I don't have to try to be a better person than snow. I am better.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:28 pmFred. He believed ideologically different from you. In 2004, most Americans agreed with him, not you.
I disagree ideologically with many of you, but I don't wish you a horrible early death. I won't celebrate when those who disagree with me (especially those that serve this country) pass, whether I agree with them or not.
If you think poorly of those that jest at Ted Kennedy's ailment or passing, guess what? Here you are. Recognize what you're doing. You're the same, only on a different side of the fence.
We can do better.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:30 pmFred
Playing tick-for-tack with death isn't justice. In all honesty, you'll have a long list of those responsible for those deaths...and those won't be just Republicans or Democrats in D.C. That paper trail extends to every decision made by everyone responsible in every way. If you think the blood of vengeance is the way to go...it'll never end.
Taking any comfort in another death is morbid and unsatisfying, I hope you can understand that.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:37 pmThat's like saying the jews should honor hitlers death. Kennedy is responsible for a lot of things that big business does not like but it is not war, lack of health care for Americans, ect. snow was.
Please refrain from comparing snow to any Kennedy.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:38 pmbackup Says:
I won’t celebrate when those who disagree with me (especially those that serve this country)
I don't wish death on liars and bigots, like Tony Snow and Jessie Helms. I just wish they would stop "serving our country".
July 12th, 2008 at 5:41 pmsectionop92 Says:
It speaks for the times we live in when a corpse can’t even be buried and the focus and evaluation of their life is explored ten times over and commented on furiously, as the importance is overblown the the grief is exploited.
Sure DOES.
Rupert Murdoch is LARGELY RESPONSIBLE.
The modern-day yellow journalist responsible for Fox "news".
Other such scumbags include, Rush, Coulter, O'Dildo, Hannity, Savage, and other high-paid LYING TRAITORS to the USA.
Yup. It sure DOES speak to the times when "journalists" call McCain a "man of the people" because he rode a train and gave them ribs...
July 12th, 2008 at 5:42 pmI take no comfort in it. I merely refuse to join your chorus of jolly good fellow. Not every person that dies should be mourned as a good and decent person.....snow is one of those people who fought for the good of the few and profited from it......to the demise of the many.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:45 pmArn
I was also thinking about entertainment news and the deaths of celebrities. We live in an age now where instant fame leads to an almost instant media storm.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:46 pmsectionop92
I cared for my 81 year old mother in a home hospice program until her death from cancer. I was relieved that death ended her pain and suffering and suspect that many feel that way about their loved ones who are suffering.
As for Tony's family, I feel for their loss and suspect that they feel relieved that the inevitable has happened and that their loved one no longer has to suffer.
Perhaps Tony wasn't the worst Faux reporter or press secretary, but he was still a shill and lying POS for the worst president in our history.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:48 pmHow about a moment of thought for the 18,000 Americans who die every year due to lack of healthcare? How about the 500,000 families every year who go bankrupt due to medical bills? Snow's family was more fortunate than them. They were not thrown out on the street. Snow helped keep the current immoral system in place.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:49 pmWell, if a majority of Americans feel the same as you, we'll take a different course in November.
If for some reason we don't, maybe give some thought to the idea that not everybody thinks like you do.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:51 pmbackup aka Capt Man(boy that is gay!)tastic,
July 12th, 2008 at 5:54 pmGore won Florida by 300,000 and Kerry won the nation by 3,000,000. Unless you are foolish enough to believe the electronic machines made by conservative corporations who refuse to show us how they work. Exit polls are accurate to 0.2% and we ARE allowed to see their evidence.
backup, When Republicans get in power, it is not okay for them to shred the Constitution just because they were able to get in power!
July 12th, 2008 at 5:55 pmIf for some reason we don’t, maybe give some thought to the idea that not everybody thinks like you do.
We already know how you feel. For balance, you might have referenced how Righties savaged Vince Foster after his death. But strangely, not a word about it from you. I think your partisan slip is showing, little missy.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:56 pmI heard conservatives savage JFK, Martin Luther King, Jr., and Bobby Kennedy, too.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:59 pmDying of cancer, Snow gave up his million dollar gig in the private sector for a hundred and change. How did he profit from that again?
You're blinded by your partisanship.
July 12th, 2008 at 5:59 pmFred Says:
I take no comfort in it. I merely refuse to join your chorus of jolly good fellow. Not every person that dies should be mourned as a good and decent person…..snow is one of those people who fought for the good of the few and profited from it……to the demise of the many.
If that's what you think, then you're totally missing the point. Do you really not see you're engaging in GOP and Faux News tactics? That a man isn't dead for 24 hours and you're engaging in a frenzy that would make Billo and Fox & Friends proud? No one was ever suggesting the guy was Tim Russert, but that now we've engaged in the same shameless behavior of saying "good riddance" to a person who died before their time. You have two instances of an amalgamation that helps define the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan of soldiers and civilians dying way before they're supposed to. That we're supposed to be a nation that cares, but that we've lost a lot of our civility in the red state v. blue state crap. All I'm trying to do is show the mirror doesn't show you what you want to see. If we're ever to regain our footing as a great nation, we'll have to re-embrace the other would-be Tony Snow's because we're better off together than separate as Bush and his administration have made us.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:00 pmKeith, you should get these figures out. This is a big story.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:01 pmHis million dollar gig was profiting from the misery and deaths of others.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:02 pmThose figures were "out". You just don't read enough. They weren't in "the liberal media".
July 12th, 2008 at 6:04 pmDying of cancer, Snow gave up his million dollar gig in the private sector for a hundred and change. How did he profit from that again?
Oh, come on, now! As the presidential spokesman his huge ego was validated on a daily basis. Which is something his well paying gig at Fox didn't provide. It brought him the illusion of relevance - something, I'm sure you can relate to.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:06 pmConfidential sources contacted indictated that 350+ posts were expected. However, some highly placed insiders refuted such speculation. RIP
July 12th, 2008 at 6:07 pmsection. I bet we disagree on many issues, but you see this where few else do.
The name of the website is thinkprogress. Is there any progress on this, or is it rehash of the past in a quest for retribution?
The world is moving right along. We're mired in partisan backbiting.
Those who want change can sit around and blame republicans for everything that is wrong. Or they can provide the example that republicans have not.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:08 pmIf that’s what you think, then you’re totally missing the point. Do you really not see you’re engaging in GOP and Faux News tactics? That a man isn’t dead for 24 hours and you’re engaging in a frenzy that would make Billo and Fox & Friends proud?
Pointing out truths, isn't the same as using Fox's tactics.
What "frenzy" are you referencing?
July 12th, 2008 at 6:09 pmYou just don’t read enough...
radical leftwing propaganda?
July 12th, 2008 at 6:10 pmbackup at 264, that would be like talking about Hitler and not mentioning the bad he did.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:10 pmno, social science statistics. Propaganda is your man Tony's expertise.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:11 pmThose who want change can sit around and blame republicans for everything that is wrong. Or they can provide the example that republicans have not.
And republicans will use that, as well, by suggesting that taking the high road is just another demonstration of democratic cowardice, and weakness.
We've played this game before.
No more mister nice guy.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pmIt was wrong 40 years ago, it's still wrong today.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:13 pmbackup, to me, you are an enemy to america, its history and institutions.
No common ground with traitors.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:16 pm______
dumbstruck Says:
He learned early this morning that you can’t take it with you.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:30 am
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He learned that long ago. He was a Christian. ;)
July 12th, 2008 at 6:19 pmWait a minute... You can't take it with you? What than are all these jerks working for?
July 12th, 2008 at 6:21 pmSome reading on the 2004 election results:
http://www.crisispapers.org/essays-p/fraud.htm
July 12th, 2008 at 6:26 pmupright left Says:
He learned that long ago. He was a Christian. ;)
He and Helms will have a lot to discuss, on the shuttle to Hell.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:28 pmSnowjob was the Mouthpiece for the Bush Krime Killing Machine.
Just like McLelland, Fleisher and now Purino
July 12th, 2008 at 6:29 pmdbadass Says:
Wait a minute… You can’t take it with you? What than are all these jerks working for?
It's a game. The one with the most toys when they die wins!
July 12th, 2008 at 6:35 pmSo if you can't take it with you, then I guess it is an estate tax. Now if you can take it with you, well then I guess it is a death tax....
July 12th, 2008 at 6:49 pmWho cares what what self-righteous HP writes. They should talk.
snow knowingly and delibrately set-up the citizens of the US with lies, fears and gloom for money. he continued to lie even when he was proved wrong time after time. he was arrogant, fake and rude, also he had that ugly repug shiytt grin. he and his buddies surely had a good laugh on us about thinking up the next ridiculous lies to spew.
snow died a happy man. he saw his dreams/lies come to light. war, proverty, hate, oil grab, recession, homeless, sick etc.
luck man.
yeah, you honor the fool. I'll give my condolences to honorable people. Hypocrites.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:04 pmHaven't you complained about conservatives questioning your patriotism for opposing the war?
I can't say it any better than section:
July 12th, 2008 at 7:13 pm
Let me know if we find out where he's buried. I've got a list of graves I want to piss on. He's #11.
I know, that's not "PC". But if it makes anybody feel better, I'm despicable, and he is way down the list after Bush, Chenney, Feith, Rummsfeld, O'Reilly, Limbaugh, Frist, Hastert, Lay,...
July 12th, 2008 at 7:23 pmbackup Says:
No common ground with traitors.
Haven’t you complained about conservatives questioning your patriotism for opposing the war?
That's BECAUSE the "conservatives" (Bush, Rove, Libby, etc.) were committing acts of TREASON against the USA...
I can’t say it any better than section:
Congrats…you’ve now become all that you hate!
I "hate" NO ONE, unlike you "coserva"Nazis who ADORE the words of HATRED spoken by Rush, Coulter, Malkin, O'Dildo, etc.
You have committed and supported the TREASON against this country perpetrated by the 70 YEAR Bush TREASON Crime Family.
Plain TRUTH.
Bush and Rove andCheney deserve the penalty for TREASON in the "wartime" they CREATED.
And Osama is STILL FREE.
Condolences to Tony Snow's family, not only on HIS death, but those of the 4100 US soldiers and ONE MILLION Iraqis that HE HELPED happen.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:23 pmbackup Says:
Haven’t you complained about conservatives questioning your patriotism for opposing the war?
Yeah, people like Tony Snow. That's one of the many excellent reasons I hate him.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:28 pmYou a**holes wonder why most people think progressives are a
July 12th, 2008 at 7:58 pmf**cking joke? F**k all of you and the horses you rode in on.
Troll alert, ass o'malley with an IQ of 7 is polluting the thread. FLAGGED
July 12th, 2008 at 8:08 pmI'm glad you recognize a dissenter when you see one...
July 12th, 2008 at 8:14 pmI consider myself to be a progressive, but some of the comments on here are way out of line. You piss and moan that Fred Phelps would demonstrate his anti-gay delusions at a funeral and yet you villify a man within hours after his death. Tony Snow was a relatively young man with a family and friends who will mourn his passing. If you can't keep your f!@#ing mouths shut until a reasonable time has passed to mourn his death then I really don't want to see anyone claim the moral high road the next time a right-winger protests a funeral. You pissy pathetic bunch of self-obsessed asses.
I finished chemotherapy a little over a year ago and am now cancer free. I had colon cancer. I live in dread of finding out what Tony Snow found out about a year ago. What kind of monsters are you? What if one of his children read these comments? I thought Progressives were supposed to care about other people. That's why I've proudly called myself a Progressive. I care about people......not just people who agree with me.
I don't believe in heaven, but I do believe you reap what you sow. I hope your own deaths are are treated with greater dignity than what you've displayed here.
Shame on you!
July 12th, 2008 at 8:19 pmSTL Cynic Says:
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I consider myself to be a progressive, but some of the comments on here are way out of line. You piss and moan that Fred Phelps would demonstrate his anti-gay delusions at a funeral and yet you villify a man within hours after his death. Tony Snow was a relatively young man with a family and friends who will mourn his passing. If you can’t keep your f!@#ing mouths shut until a reasonable time has passed to mourn his death then I really don’t want to see anyone claim the moral high road the next time a right-winger protests a funeral. You pissy pathetic bunch of self-obsessed asses.
I finished chemotherapy a little over a year ago and am now cancer free. I had colon cancer. I live in dread of finding out what Tony Snow found out about a year ago. What kind of monsters are you? What if one of his children read these comments? I thought Progressives were supposed to care about other people. That’s why I’ve proudly called myself a Progressive. I care about people……not just people who agree with me.
I don’t believe in heaven, but I do believe you reap what you sow. I hope your own deaths are are treated with greater dignity than what you’ve displayed here.
Shame on you!
Finally, a post with some common decency...
July 12th, 2008 at 8:26 pm"TheRadicalRightisRadicallyWrong Says:
Let me know if we find out where he’s buried. I’ve got a list of graves I want to piss on. He’s #11.
I know, that’s not “PC”. But if it makes anybody feel better, I’m despicable, and he is way down the list after Bush, Chenney, Feith, Rummsfeld, O’Reilly, Limbaugh, Frist, Hastert, Lay,…"
Ken Lay is on the list of thousands of people, after what he did to all the employees at enron.
The lay family recognized this, had him cremated, and his "final resting place" is kept secret.
If that weren't the case that would be the most desecrated location in the country.
The others on your list will similarly need to have secret grave sites or 24-hour guards to avoid a similar fate.
July 12th, 2008 at 8:33 pmaceomalley7 Says:
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You a**holes wonder why most people think progressives are a
f**cking joke? F**k all of you and the horses you rode in on.
July 12th, 2008 at 7:58 pm
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Hi aceomalley7:
July 12th, 2008 at 8:51 pmSo I was wondering, what's the 7 for?
Mickey Mantle
July 12th, 2008 at 8:57 pmMakes sense. I suppose. I just can't figure that silly game out. Seems the intrigue is in how much bullshit you can recite. Still for those that dig it...
July 12th, 2008 at 9:03 pmJust who are the partisan hacks backup? Just who made it be that way. It was all bi-partisianship buddies when the republcians were in the minority but as soon as they had power they told the dems to sit down and shut up that they were in power now. Remember?
Why should the dems reach out to them when the reps go down this fall? I say they should sit down and shut up.
The dems always worked with the republicans in congress before this coup by the right. They certainly did not win it legitimatly....even you know that whether you will admit it or not.
the bitterness and hatred is a direct result of the republicans being in power. That is a fact.
July 12th, 2008 at 9:06 pmI am glad he is dead.
July 12th, 2008 at 10:05 pmLilmadguy, flagged for being a troll trying to make us look bad.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:01 pmSTL Cynic,
July 12th, 2008 at 11:06 pmVillifying someone just because they are gay is NOT the same as villifying someone because they aided in murdering, lying, and robbery. If someone aids in the murder of one person, they get villified. Why not in the murder of about 1,300,000 (including 4100 Americans)? In California, you can get 25 to life for stealing a slice of pizza if it is your third offence. Why not if you aid in the left of Trillions of dollars from those who need it to those who don't?
So Keith, are you suggesting that Tony Snow's wife and kids did all of that? Tony Snow is now beyond knowing what anyone is saying about him. He still has friends and family that can hear every word. Your issue is with Tony Snow. That issue is now relevant in a historic sense only. Let his family grieve in peace. Now is not the time.
If you died tomorrow would you want your family and friends to read a bunch of comments on how insensitive and rude you were to people who's only crime was to love someone with whom you disagreed? Now is not the time.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:25 pmthat's 'theft of Trillions'.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:26 pmDo you care about the wives and kids of our 4100 service men and women? About 35,000 badly injured. Or the over 1,200,000 Iraqis who were doing no harm to us and were no threat whatsoever? One in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five. That's why I hate people like Tony Snow.
I have been very capable of compassion for many decades now. I felt compassion for the 3.2 million Vietnamese we killed. 70% were civilians. I feel less compassion for John McCain, because he did all right in the end and he should not have been over there dropping bombs on them.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:33 pmI have been criticized for many decades by conservatives for having compassion for others. They call me a "bleeding heart liberal".
July 12th, 2008 at 11:35 pmAdmit it STL Cynic,
July 12th, 2008 at 11:38 pmYou hate progressives for being for peace, for feeding the hungry, for wanting healthcare for all, for aiding the homeless, for wanting education for all, for wanting non-discrimination for all, etc. Who is worse, you or me?
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upright left Says:
He learned that long ago. He was a Christian. ;)
He and Helms will have a lot to discuss, on the shuttle to Hell.
July 12th, 2008 at 6:28 pm
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No, there are no Christians there.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:43 pmHe and Helms did not behave as Christians. Judge people by their deeds, not what they profess. Helms was quite often the opposite of Christianity. I first began listening to Helms in 1970.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:48 pmKeith, I care a great deal about all of those things and many more. I also care about grieving children distraught over the death of their Dad. Tony Snow's contribution to the Bush Empire is now a subject for historians. He can't do any more spots for Fox. He can't write any books. More importantly, he can't repent and try to atone for his action.
What Tony Snow did had nothing to do with his wife and kids. It's wrong to piss on his grave. The mourner are not guilty of his crimes. I know it's hard, but channel your energies into something more productive.
I've been called lots of names in my life. But I never retaliated against a taunters family. Look elsewhere, dude.
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He and Helms did not behave as Christians. Judge people by their deeds, not what they profess. Helms was quite often the opposite of Christianity. I first began listening to Helms in 1970.
July 12th, 2008 at 11:48 pm
July 12th, 2008 at 11:58 pm______
Fortunately, God is our judge. Snow exhibited Christian characteristics. Like every other person, he was imperfect.
Me doing something to his family is all in your mind. They do not read what I write. Going by your rules no one could criticize Saddam or bin Laden because they had families.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:09 amHelms strongly supported/funded the killing of tens of thousands of CHRISTIAN civilians in Salvador, Nicaragua, and Guatemala. They were a threat to noone other than dictatorial thugs. Some were nuns, priests and even one archbishop!
I gotta go. Might be back in four hours.
July 13th, 2008 at 12:22 amThis is a disgusting display of inhumanity on this site. You may disagree with his politics, but the man died one of the most horrible deaths imaginable and you show no sympathy (of course many of you do, but most here don't).
The majority of people that have commented here are disgusting human beings. You should be ashamed of yourselves...but being self-righteous, arrogant &$%holes I don't see that happening anytime...ever.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:09 am@Kieth
Progressive do nothing but spread their kind of fascism...of course, considering you don't know what that actually is you'll be sure to disagree with me and scream about my own likely Stalinist/Nazi/Fascist/whateverevilthingyoucanthinkof...
The fact is American Progressivism is just a different kind of Fascism. It is, at it's root, the same core ideas promoted by Moussolini/Hitler/Stalin. Only a bit nicer (aside from this site). You're all so smug about what you know, I doubt you'll even have the courage to try to find out that little truth.
July 13th, 2008 at 2:20 amBSDetector Says:
...you’ll be sure to disagree with me and scream about my own likely Stalinist/Nazi/Fascist/whateverevilthingyoucanthinkof…
YOU GOT THAT RIGHT!!!
July 13th, 2008 at 4:43 amNo, actually American Progressivism is more like Kucinich, Nader, Feingold, Teddy Roosevelt, Franklin Roosevelt, JFK, RFK, etc.
Very, very far removed from Stalinism, Nazism, or fascism.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:48 amThis is my last comment on the subject. Keith assumes that Tony Snow's family doesn't read any of these comments. Why is that Keith? Do you assume that everyone in Tony Snow's family has the same set of beliefs? My Mother is a fundamentalist christian, but I'm not. I even have a dittohead in the family (although he did marry into the family}.
I'm all for pursuing the Bush administration for war crimes, and all manner of corruption. I favor turning them all over to the Hague and let them stand trial for their crimes against humanity.
But I'd never walk through a funeral receiving line and say, "Hey kid, you're old man was a liar and thief...I hope he died a painful death." If you would, then you're as bad as Fred Phelps and just as monstrous.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:53 amSTL Cynic Says:
As barfly or someone noted earlier. History will judge snow. That begins today. His children will find out one way or another. If he was a good man he would not have to worry about what people would say about him here.
by the way...we are not at his funeral.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:59 amTony's family deserves condolences.
That said, he WAS a TRAITOR to the USA, just like Bush and Cheney and the rest of the FASCISTS, which is what they are.
They have subverted the US Constitution, and caused the DEATHS of 4100 US Soldiers and over ONE MILLION Iraqis that didn't need to die.
And Osama, Bush's business partner, is STILL FREE.
Tony Snow was diagnosed with cancer, and STILL continued to LIE for the Bush WAR CRIMINALS, so he has made his bed.
The Almighty God is his judge now.
But if it was you or me, how would YOU expect God to judge US if we lied and helped MURDERERS kill a MILLION of God's Children??
July 13th, 2008 at 12:07 pmTo all of you who are acting and speaking here as if every person and their families deserve nothing but respect and condolances at their deaths, you are only fooling yourselves. Not all people deserve flowers and nice words when they die.
If Hitler had children and a wife, should we have heaped nice eulogies on him for their sake? Bin Laden? Saddam? What about those of recent history who have condoned Torture, spying on American citizens, gutting our ecconomy for their own greedy purposes, starting an illegal war and causing the deaths of many innocents?
No, some deserve no respect only our disdain. Hopefully others will learn that if you are a bad person your family will feel it. And maybe, just maybe some families will stop the monsters in their own ranks from doing the unthinkable evils that they do.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:37 pmWasn't this the guy when asked about the Iraqiis and Americans killed in the war say that "it's just a number".
I fee bad for his family having such a heartless person in their life.
July 13th, 2008 at 8:51 pmFrom whitehouse.gov, June 15, 2006 press briefing:
Q Tony, American deaths in Iraq have reached 2,500. Is there any response or reaction from the President on that?
MR. SNOW: It's a number, and every time there's one of these 500 benchmarks people want something.
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These 2500 (now 4118) have families. The 1.2 million Iraqis have families. It is also wrong to kill people who do not have families. I did not go to Snow's funeral and confront his family. I am exercising free speech at a political website and taking a moral position. More than Snow ever did.
July 13th, 2008 at 9:50 pmThere is a difference between committing murder and killing. Anyone here who would kill to save your children from a murderer, would be worse than the murderer himself. That said:
Tony started out as a left winger but through wisdom and intelligence he became a right wing loyalist. He was very knowledgeable, quick witted and most of all had a kind heart. His attitude and good nature touched the masses and especially those he was close to. Great sense of humor and always saw the bright side of personal difficulties.
This is the only message I will post here because I know it will be despised and rejected but, after reading some of the disgusting things on this board, I couldn't resist to share my love for such a great man.
By the way, the Iraq war is proving to be a success and our nation is more secure than it was under Clinton who carelessly launched bombs killing innocent lives.
Anyways, peace and love to all.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:18 pmIn Christ, igit
typo'd "would kill" was meant to be "wouldn't kill".
igit
July 13th, 2008 at 11:20 pmDear Ingod,
Our children were NOT threatened by the over 1.2 million Iraqis we have caused the deaths of. The vast majority were civilians. The majority were killed by air strikes and only the US does air strikes. Thanks to us---one in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five. Iraq had nothing to do with al Qaeda nor 9/11.
You say "peace and love"---two things I am in favor of. This administration creates war when it is totally unnecessary. Unless your objective is to take the oil and control that part of the world---then it was necessary.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:37 pmWhere do get these stats of "one in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five" (because of the U.S., you will need to show convincing evidence of these numbers to convince me.
I would say that is wayyyyyy off!
Don't forget that these terrorist take pride in killing the innocent children, women and men and of course themselves. If were not careful they will be here in our day care centers, blowing up our children. Then you bunch of hate filled radicals (so called progressives) "might" be able to see that, sometimes war is imminent, in order to stop a greater evil than the war itself.
igit
July 14th, 2008 at 12:20 amThe United Nations says one in eight Iraqi children now die before the age of five. It is not because Muslims are blowing up children. It is because the US military has destroyed their clean water system and healthcare sytem. One in four Afghan children now die before the age of five. You do not know more than the UN people who are actually there recording this. There is no way in the world the Iraqis were going to come to US day care centers. Iraq was the enemy of al Qaeda. Iraq had nothing to do with 9/11.
You sound a lot more like a hate-filled radical than I do. You are justifying the killing of over 1,200,000 innocents. Plus 4,118 American troops who are also missed by their families. You are pretty far removed from following the teachings of Jesus. Try reading the New Testament again.
You promised you would not post again.
July 14th, 2008 at 12:33 amWe could argue all day about who was who's enemy and at the end of the day still disagree, I don't know of any leader who tortured, abused and killed as many as Saddam killed in this century. Can you name one.
By the way if you name one be prepared to compare notes with the crimes of Saddam.
Anyone who only reads from part of a book (the Bible), can not fully understand its meaning, having a full understanding of the old testament will totally change the interpretation of the new testament, oh, and don't skip over revelation either, it all counts and all needs to be studied before a strong stance on an issue like this can be made. In fact it is dangerous to read the NT only.
You might gain from reading the following:
http://www.catholic.com/library/Just_War_Doctrine_1.asp
I think it is very sad that so many have to die, but I can't say that after all non-aggressive attempts to deal with Saddam were made, over and over and still we didn't have any compliance. Not to use force.
By the way, if it were not for the terrorist this war would have been over long ago.
The fact is that Saddam was gaining power not only with WMD's (that he hid), but also with the surrounding countries, including people who I would call allies because they were afraid to support the war due to the favors that good'ol Saddam was feeding them.
You have your beliefs, that's fine.
I have mine and lets just leave it at that.
igit
July 14th, 2008 at 2:06 amKeith, looks like you read favorable stuff or maybe you don't even read at all. There are many documents stating that Iraqi children were in bad shape before the war started.
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The infant/young-child mortality rate in Iraq rose from 50 per 1,000 live births in 1990 to 133 per 1,000 in 2001 (meaning that more than 13 percent of Iraqi children die before the age of five). Iraq had by far the sharpest rise in infant/young-child mortality of any nation in the world during that period, according to UNICEF. Professor Garfield declared,
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Don't listen to one side only, its harful to your mental health and the USA.
igit
July 14th, 2008 at 2:18 amSaddam did comply fully with the UN resolutions. He allowed the inspectors in (it was the US that removed them in 1998) and allowed them to look anywhere they pleased. He turned over 12,000 pages accounting for past WMD's. The inspectors could find nothing and begged the WH to tell them where to look if they were so sure there were WMD's. The WH ordered the inspectors out. The vote in the Security Council was going to be 11-4 AGAINST the invasion.
At the time of the March 2003 invasion, the US had 24,000 TONS of VX, sarin, and mustard agents. Anniston Alabama had 77,000 rockets filled with these agents.
The CIA put Saddam in power in the 60's. Reagan and GHWB strongly aided him. Carter had sanctions against him.
I said you did not follow the teachings of Jesus. I know you might very well agree with some OT verse advocating stoning to death for not being a virgin. I was afraid you might agree with The Apocalypse and hope W's actions will lead to it.
Your beliefs and Tony's and W's are not fine when they lead to the deaths of over a million innocents.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:26 amSo the figure was NOT waaaayyyyyyy off, was it? The increase in infant mortality was due to the destruction we did in Gulf War I and the extremely harsh sanctions we imposed on Iraq after GWI. Sec of State Albright said the estimated deaths of 500,000 Iraqi children was worth it. I disagree. Their infant mortality increased with the destruction we did to their water system and healthcare system in 2003. Also the creation of 4.5 million refugees.
I have listened to many sides for many decades. Progressives are always criticized by conservatives for being open-minded. You are harmful to the USA.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:35 amConservative estimates place increases in infant mortality following the 2003 invasion of Iraq at 37 percent,” according to the Save the Children report. The implications of such a change—in the space of just two years—are staggering. Given the steady escalation of the armed conflict in Iraq and the continued deterioration of social conditions for masses of people in the country, the rate of increase in infant and child deaths was no doubt even greater over the course of 2006.
The report blamed the horrific decline in infant and child health since the invasion on the steadily worsening living conditions for the Iraqi population as a whole, including “electricity shortages, insufficient clean water, deteriorating health services and soaring inflation.”
This overall destruction of basic social infrastructure unleashed by the US invasion and occupation has been translated into a horrendous decline in child health. “Only 35 percent of Iraqi children are fully immunized, and more than one-fifth (21 percent) are severely or moderately stunted” as a result of malnutrition, the study found.
The statistics compiled by Save the Children indicate that in 1990 the mortality rate for children under five in Iraq stood at 50 for every 1,000 live births—among the best outcomes reported for the entire Arab world at the time. In 2005, the figure was 125 per 1,000 live births—roughly equivalent to the figures recorded in countries like Malawi, Mauritania, Uganda and Haiti.
While some countries—all with one exception in Africa—have higher death rates than Iraq, none came even near the rate of increase in infant mortality recorded by the US-occupied country
The destruction of the conditions and very lives of Iraqi children began well before US troops invaded the country in 2003. The 1990-1991 Gulf War saw more than 90,000 tons of US bombs and missiles dropped on Iraq, smashing much of its essential infrastructure, including power plants and water and sanitation systems and creating the conditions for a public health disaster.
The war was followed by a decade of punishing sanctions that deprived Iraqi children and the population as a whole of essential medical supplies and adequate nutrition. Even chlorine, needed to purify water, was embargoed, depriving infants and small children of a clean water supply and condemning many to death.
According to figures reported by the Iraqi government, some 900,000 children have been left orphans by the carnage that has swept Iraq since the US invasion of 2003. It is estimated that at the present levels of violence, some 400 children are left orphaned every day in the country.
The Iraqi Ministry of Education, meanwhile, estimates that barely 30 percent the country’s 3.5 million elementary school children are attending classes, a sharp decline from 75 percent last year. A study sponsored by the World Health Organization in the Iraqi city of Mosul, found fully 30 percent of school children surveyed suffering from posttraumatic stress disorder.
Significantly, the other country that is presently occupied by the US military and remains the scene of a bitter counterinsurgency war—Afghanistan—ranks as the second worst in the world in terms of its infant mortality rate, with 257 deaths for every 1,000 live births. In other words, more than one out of four Afghan children dies before the age of five. On average, every Afghan mother sees two of her children die as infants, while one in six women die in childbirth.
According to the Save the Children study, 40 percent of Afghan children are malnourished and less than half have access to safe water. The report also notes that, while “1 child in 100,000 in the United States dies of pneumonia each year, roughly 1 in 15” dies of the disease in Afghanistan.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:46 amThe US is not ran by a maniac (contrary to what this group believes).
Show me anyone in the last century that has tortured and murdered the quantities equal to what Saddam did of his own people?
Regarding the Bible, I know that Christ changed "some" of the old testament, but keep in mind, He intensified much of the 10 commandments, He did say, that it is "not" murder to kill in defence your property / yourself or the innocent.
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The CIA put Saddam in power in the 60’s. Reagan and GHWB strongly aided him. Carter had sanctions against him.
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Haven't studied this but lets say it is true. Nobody knows what tomorrow will bring. So forget this part.
The UN is a riddled with corruption.
What about your false understanding of the 1 out of 8 children, do you stand corrected?
Tell me, do you believe there is ever a need for war???
If not your whacked and lets end this now. Especially if you live in the US which wouldn't be if it were not for war.
I say if you don't like America then get the heck out of here. The truth is that it is the best place in the world to live, with or without your choice of president or party.
Good night,
igit
July 14th, 2008 at 3:00 amidgit,
Show me anyone in the last century that has tortured and murdered the quantities equal to what Saddam did of his own people?
Ever heard of Hitler? Ever heard of Stalin? Ever heard of the 3.2 million Vietnamese we killed needlessly? The 1.2 million Iraqis we killed needlessly? The 200,000 in Central and South America we killed needlessly? Weren't most of the Iraqis killed by Saddam because they were siding with Iran during the Iran-Iraq War or otherwise trying to overthrow his government. Don't mean to be siding with Saddam, but he was doing nothing in March 2003. The famous 1988 gassing of the Kurds occured when they were siding with Iran during the war, Reagan and GHWB were supplying Saddam, and the US lied and said Iran gassed them. He had no WMD in 2003. He was a threat to noone and he was the enemy of al Qaeda.
I don't have any false understanding of the 1 in eight children. You are the one who said it was waaayyyyy off. It was due to US military actions and sanctions in Gulf War I, GWII, and in between the two. Save The Children said 37% of it was due to the 2003 invasion and occupation. When you are the occupier---you are responsible for what happens in the country. It did not improve when we took over for Saddam, it greatly worsened. Iraq is now the #2 failed state in the world. Behind only Sudan.
I say if you don’t like America then get the heck out of here.
Why don't you get the heck out of my country?
There are necessary wars and the invasion and occupation of Iraq certainly was not one of them. Conservative Americans were opposed to the Revolution---they sided with the British. Our founding fathers were radical leftists.
July 14th, 2008 at 3:44 amCancer doesn't care who you are, or what you've done, good or bad.
July 14th, 2008 at 5:53 amI personally, wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy.
I cannot however, have come sort of half-assed compassion for T. Snow.
I'm sorry, but guess what, everyone is going to get there, everyone is going to die, some sooner than others, it's just the way it is, and you can't do a damn thing about it.
Do you think there's going to be a tear fest when you go?
There may be a few, but they won't last long, and then it'll be just like you were never here.
As much as a lot of people like to think so, you are not special, neither was T. Snow.
Tomorrow could be your last day, get used to the idea.
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Keith H. Says:
Do you think there’s going to be a tear fest when you go?
There may be a few, but they won’t last long, and then it’ll be just like you were never here.
As much as a lot of people like to think so, you are not special, neither was T. Snow.
Tomorrow could be your last day, get used to the idea.
July 14th, 2008 at 5:53 am
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You seriously need to work on relationships.
July 14th, 2008 at 11:51 amThe amount of hate here is mindblowing. I especially like the "tact" used by those who extend their condolences ONLY to his children.
I hope you all step back and assess your actions here. It is downright shameful. I saw nothing even close to this ort of hatred (from the right) when Ted Kennedy was diagnosed.
Shameful.
July 14th, 2008 at 2:01 pmMy sincere condolences to Tony Snow's wife and children.
July 14th, 2008 at 3:21 pmtalk about a whacked out individual. You will say anything to try to validate your phony talking points. Your ignorance is oozing in each of your posts.
It pales in comparison to the right. If you heard nothing then it's because you are willfully ignorant.
You shame us for being disrespectful of a man with no integrity who did more harm in life than he did good but you have nothing but distain for real Americans like Ted Kennedy.
Thanks for playing, please try again.
July 14th, 2008 at 3:43 pmGo check the archives, Fred. It is you who are willfully ignorant. Your game is over. Please try again.
July 14th, 2008 at 4:25 pmingoditrust,
You are ignorant beyond belief...and that's a big help to the RePugniScums and Christianistas...you know, the unholy monopoly on Jebus The RePugniScum!!
July 14th, 2008 at 6:45 pmindyjones,
You are also quite ignorant just like ingoditrust...
Are you proud to be so phucking dumb...really, I'm curious?
July 14th, 2008 at 6:47 pmAs I figured, your not making a fair comparison, you giving numbers of total dead due to a war.
I am telling you that Saddam did this stuff to his own people, sometimes as an experiment.
He threw people off roof tops to the concrete ground, he cut babies from pregnant women, he tested chemicals on his own people.
I am accused of being ignorant, but I see nobody refuting my points. Nor did I find any truth in the points made by you guys.
This group is in serious need of help. You are all a bunch of narrow minded, block head idiots who live and feed off hate which is of Satan. Laugh if you like but, I will pray for you guys because I know Hell is someplace none of us want to end up.
Keith, I am well aware of that we all are going to die, I never had any other ideas about it, I believe my children will be very sad when I die (of course if they are fortunate enough to still alive).
Keith, you say you don't mean to side with Saddam but in fact you are.
You sound like one of these Anti-Americans.
You never responded to how wrong you were on the "1 out of 8 children bit".
Let see some character here, at least from you.
That is if I stick around long enough to see it.
Lets all lighten up just for good 'ol Tony Snow because one thing he had was a great sense of humor.
I got a feeling, allot of people in this group are either jealous of him or envy him, that is why there is so much negative talk about him. He was actually able to pick the Republicans up from the trouble they were in (still are in a bit of trouble too), the republicans are off track, Bush went soft and McCain is soft, so we won't be seeing much of what we want anyways.
But Obama is a phlip phlopin, liberal, with an extreme left agenda.
By the way Keith, I didn't come here to make friends, so why do I have to work on relationships?
Maybe it is you who is hung up on your mortality :-)
Good day,
igit
July 15th, 2008 at 12:54 amHi dixie blood,
You say I am ignorant beyond belief.
Regarding what?
Why don't you educate me. I am teachable, but I do like facts, I am not convinced easily.
Especially when I find facts against the claims being made here.
By the way, I admit that I am not as knowledgable as some in the political arena, but that don't mean that I am ignorant about everything and it also don't mean that I can't get the answers when I need them.
I am ready to for a challenge :-)
Greg Hill
July 15th, 2008 at 1:02 amSorry, Nazis.
Tony Snow's family DOES deserve condolences on his death.
As well as the knowledge that Tony was a participant in the subversion of government, LIES, and TREASOn that caused 4100 US soldiers
and over a million Iraqis to CEASE TO EXIST.
MURDER. By LIES, BLASPHEMY, and pure CHOICE to be EVIL.
Saddam WAS bad. So are MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA, Cheney, and ALL you who support their GENOCIDE.
God KNOWS the EVIL deeds commmitted by the Bushes and supported by people who call themselves "christians".
Nope. The dog don't hunt on THAT one...
Good luck with your eternity, MURDERER Bush and your azslicker supporters. Soon you will be burning with your MASTER Satan.
And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING for his LIES and GENOCIDE...
July 15th, 2008 at 2:15 amYeah, God knows, not you.
There is so much self contradiction that its laughable.
Sorry Arn Gunnutes, there is a God and He aint you!!!
LOL!
igit
July 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pmJudge not, for at the same "measure" that you judge, "you" will be judged.
So, I suggest praying for those who you believe are in trouble.
igit
July 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pmIdgit,
You don't seem to realize that "Keith" and "Keith H." are two different people.
You never responded to how wrong you were on the “1 out of 8 children bit”.
I have explained it very clearly to you TWICE. I am not wrong. YOU are the one who said it was waaayyyyy off.
You say the people here are "of Satan". That really says a lot about where you are coming from.
There was harm done to the Iraqi people by Saddam, but you don't seem to realize that the Iraqi people are far far worse after our illegal and immoral invasion than they were under Saddam. Twenty-five per cent of the people are either dead or refugees.
There are also the 4,118 American deaths; 35,000 badly injured; and the $3 TRILLION bill.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:32 pmKeith,
Your ignoring that the statistic you gave about this war was wrong, you used a statistic from "WELL BEFORE" the war.
You are obviously bent on making the point that many died and how sad it is (we all agree with that by the way), but your not willing to where you are wrong.
You are unwilling to admit that the world is much more secure now than before, due to the war.
You are unwilling to ackowledge the happiness and freedom that many in Iraq are experiencing.
I agree that it is a very very sad reality to know that innocent people died and or are dying due to the war.
BUT THIS WAR, is known to have a higher count of innocent lies due to the sick, chicken shit enemy who dresses and acts like a civilian.
Have you ever read stats on how many die in New York or Los Angeles every month?
How about the highway deaths every year?
I am done with this attempt to bring the truth the table if you can't aknowledge, you were wrong and that the this war is unlike any before because of how terrorist intermingle with the civilians, kill their own and terrorize them so that they are afraid to help the US, ect......
Good day,
igit
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