Bush backs Israel’s plan for strike on Iran.
Bush backs Israel’s plan for strike on Iran.
The Times of London reports that President Bush “has told the Israeli government that he may be prepared to approve a future military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if negotiations with Tehran break down, according to a senior Pentagon official”:
Despite the opposition of his own generals and widespread scepticism that America is ready to risk the military, political and economic consequences of an airborne strike on Iran, the president has given an “amber light” to an Israeli plan to attack Iran’s main nuclear sites with long-range bombing sorties, the official told The Sunday Times.
“Amber means get on with your preparations, stand by for immediate attack and tell us when you’re ready,” the official said. But the Israelis have also been told that they can expect no help from American forces and will not be able to use US military bases in Iraq for logistical support.
“This administration will not attack Iran. This has already been decided,” the official stated. But the offical added, “I know he doesn’t believe that anything but force will deter Iran.”
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Encouraging another nation to attack Iran is no better than attacking them ourselves. I do not believe for one second that we will not be involved in any such attack, especially if Bush denies it. I warned my Congressman, John Hall, that if they did not remove Bush and Cheney from office, we were going to end up in a war with Iran. He looked at me like I was crazy. Who’s crazy now, Johnny?
July 13th, 2008 at 3:12 pmBush, Cheney, Rumsfeld and McCain and Company are all worthless lying war-mongering traitorous war criminals. Impeach, Try, Convict and Remove From Office.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:18 pmJust what the Bush “legacy” needs–another unpopular and catastrophic war of choice.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:19 pmThis is a real problem for us. I don’t think that Israel would attack Iran if Bush had not promised that we would be there to defend them when Iran strikes back. Bush has to do it this way because the top brass in our military has told him that they won’t follow his orders and attack Iran. Bush is betting that they will agree to attack Iran to “protect” Israel.
I say if Israel is stupid enough to attack Iran, then tell them they are on their own. There is no reason why we should get involved. Iran has done nothing to us. They are in no way a threat to us. They aren’t really a threat to Israel either. Other than some stupid bellicose statements by their President (who has nothing to do with their military), Iran has been a peaceful neighbor.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:20 pmWorst President Ever. And still getting worse.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:21 pmHow much blood is enough?
July 13th, 2008 at 3:24 pmNot very surprising. The White House’s propaganda campaign laying the groundwork for military action against Iran dates back over six years—to Bush’s 2002 State of the Union address in which he designated Iran as a founding member of the “axis of evil.” Since then, this drumbeat has waxed and waned as other concerns—primarily the disastrous invasion and occupation of Iraq—have often commanded center stage. Now, with the Bush administration approaching its final months in office, a renewed push and a shorter fuse are increasingly evident. My 3-minute online video entitled “Forewarned is Forearmed: Bush on Iran” offers a brief but deeply troubling chronicle of the president’s public warmongering and demonization of Iran. It’s available HERE.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:25 pmPlease, everyone, send Nancy Pelosi an e-mail begging her to start impeachment proceedings. That is the only way we will be able to stop Cheney/Bush from getting us involved in a war between Israel and Iran.
http://speaker.house.gov/contact/
I send her a message daily.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:27 pmBush backs anything stupid.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:29 pmAbove the Clouds Says:
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Just what the Bush “legacy” needs–another unpopular and catastrophic war of choice.
If Bush goes ahead with this attack, there won’t be much of a legacy to leae. If fact, therer won’t be much of anything left. Thanks Dumbya, for only taking 7 1/2 to ruin what other nations and enemies tried to ruin for decades. Heck of a job, Bushie.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:31 pmOnly in an atmosphere of overwhelming international tension, uncertainty, and hostility does McCaint possess even the faintest glimmer of reality, of concrete usefulness, and hence has his campaign any faint cover of legitimacy.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:33 pmBilbo,
I want impeachment more than most! However, if she starts now GW Botch will bomb Iran and declare martial law here; suspending the Nov. elections as well. He will be encourged to steal his permanent(sp?) majority.
Let me be clear. Nancy PollLoser is the THE WORST DemoRat Speaker in history…but, it’s too late…she botched it from the get-go!!
I’m with you though!!!!
July 13th, 2008 at 3:34 pmThe feckless idiot boy Chimperor, such a poor excuse for a “foreign relations” leader.
Doesn’t that fcuker have some “brush” to clear somewhere, aka, something more important to do?
July 13th, 2008 at 3:35 pmBilbo,
The best solution would be to find a way to immediately arrest both Cheney and Botch for war crimes and physically remove them from office.
That would stop war with Iran. Anything short of that will not do IMHO.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:39 pmrobbez_92107 Says:
How much blood is enough?
I think that they are talking about 2 million people in the first week or so. After that, it is all a matter of how the wind blows. (Literally.) Upper limits seem to round out at 25 million living people. Birth defects are a separate issue as the amount of uranium hexafluoride gas involved has never been released into the atmosphere in a single incident.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pm“Pro-Israel interests have contributed $56.8 million in individual, group and soft money donations to federal candidates and party committees since 1990.”
That buys alot of sympathy from both parties,including Bush. IMHO, I think we should cut them loose. They can stand on their on two feet. They have the finest fighter pilots in the world. Thanks to the training they received in the US. They are technically the fourth strongest country in the world. Let’s just cut the apron strings.
We can not be dragged into another war, especially not this one. There is no need to attack Iran. We are stretched so thin now, they would have to start up the draft. Of course, if we had a real diplomat instead of Condi this probably wouldn’t be an issue.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:40 pmAnybody else having trouble with the front page of ThinkProgress today?
I had to uninstall the latest Microsoft update when my ZoneAlarm security program wouldn’t let me access the Internets Tubes. That’s the only reason I can think of that the links on the RIGHT side of the front page of ThinkProgress are overlaying the top of the news reports on the LEFT side of the page. It looks like a separate window that can’t be moved, and I can’t read the text. When I open up a permalink on the page, or read the older posts page, it all goes back where it belongs.
Anyone? Anyone?
July 13th, 2008 at 3:42 pmBush’s immaturity never ceases to disgust me.
He truly is a boy who has learned to manipulate the system to get whatever he wants, no matter how immoral, reprehensible or just plain wrong.
Bush wants Iran to be attacked, so he will do whatever he wants to make it happen – even if it meaning pushing his snot-nosed little brother forward, giving him a big stick, and saying “Go ahead and whack the bees’ nest. They’re probably going to sting you next week, so you’re justified. Whack away. Dad would be proud.”
July 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI don’t know what in the world makes the Israeli government they can undertake an attack of this scale on a rival the size of Iran.
Their attack on Hezbollah targets in Lebanon, a much weaker and smaller foe, was not exactly a resounding success and left Hezbollah standing, possibly strengthened, in Southern Lebanon.
Perhaps Israel trusts that the tacit threat of an American retaliation is enough to keep Iran from fighting back. I am afraid both the US and Israel are miscalculating their opponent. If Iran is attacked no matter what they do, they might gamble it all.
I think the recent Isrtaeli incursion in Lebanon, and the American occupation of Iraq has taught the Iranians many valuable lessons.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:43 pmYes, the McCain “Computer Literracy” thread has an error in it that smashes the site for anyony using MS IE. Users of Foxie do not have the problem.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:46 pm#dixie blood Says:
Bilbo,
I want impeachment more than most! However, if she starts now GW Botch will bomb Iran and declare martial law here; suspending the Nov. elections as well. He will be encourged to steal his permanent(sp?) majority.
I don’t think so. If he is under articles of impeachment, he will be severely curtailed as to what he can do. I think if he tried to order the military to attack Iran, while under articles of impeachment, they would refuse to follow his orders. They may refuse to follow them even if he isn’t under impeachment.
Without another war, he has no basis on which to declare marshal law. I also think if he tried to do that, he would find the white house under military control. If the military pulled a coup to shut the Bush Crime Family down, they would have the backing of 80% of the people in this country.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:46 pmDaddy-O Says: Anybody else having trouble with the front page of ThinkProgress today?
Yes. I have to click on a ‘comments’ button before the page finishes loading, or the stuff that’s usually on the right side of the page shows up on the left, overlaying and blockin the threads, and then refuses to do anything else…
July 13th, 2008 at 3:47 pmA question. If Israel does bomb Iran,will it face any sort of retaliation from the global community? I find it hard to imagine it would not with oil prices immediately soaring and more unrest in the middle east.Any thoughts on how other countries would react to Israel?
July 13th, 2008 at 3:47 pmFinally just started the Seymour Hersh article about this subject; most surprising news I found was this:
“Clandestine operations against Iran are not new…These have included seizing members of Al Quds, the commando arm of the Iranian Revolutionary Guard, and taking them to Iraq for interrogation…”
So the United States of America is kidnapping citizens of a soveriegn state that we are not at war with, and ‘interrogating’ them at their leisure?
We’ve already attacked them, time and again. They have not attacked us. Moral high ground, indeed. And: There’s no way in hell I would believe that an Obama or a Hillary or a McCain or a Biden or even an Al Sharpton would do order otherwise, in the name of ‘national security’.
Just watched “JFK” last night, and I’m experiencing a new wave of nausea-filled paranoia by merely THINKING about the military-industrial complex controlled U.S. government.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:48 pmGregor Samsa Says: I don’t know what in the world makes the Israeli government they can undertake an attack of this scale on a rival the size of Iran.
Religion?
July 13th, 2008 at 3:49 pmThanks very much, Unbelievable. I’ll try it.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:49 pmDidn’t work, but at least I know I’m not alone.
;- )
July 13th, 2008 at 3:52 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: If the military pulled a coup to shut the Bush Crime Family down, they would have the backing of 80% of the people in this country.
Bush’s big mistake was in giving favortism to no one – especially the people with the guns and bullets.
I would like to think that perhaps the military might, where Congress has refused, uphold their Constitutional pledges if put into a position of having to do so against a tyrannical Executive Branch.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pmWaltTheMan Says:
Your UF6 point is a valid one to rational human beings. Since, however, our military has littered the region with DU, our leaders have shown no similarity to rational human beings with regard to nuclear weapons.
Who is the REAL nuclear threat in the region?
July 13th, 2008 at 3:53 pmVanthomas Says:
But, but, but that would be anti-Semitic!
July 13th, 2008 at 3:55 pmDaddy-O Says: Didn’t work, but at least I know I’m not alone.
I figure it’s got something to do with Microsoft, as usual…
July 13th, 2008 at 3:56 pmHi Unbelievable ;-)
Welcome back -I had seen your comments on the threads lately but missed you.
I really hope Israel’s plans are not driven by religion. Until recently, their plans were fact-based. But then, Olmert is no Moshe Dayan.
July 13th, 2008 at 3:58 pmVanthomas Says:
A question. If Israel does bomb Iran,will it face any sort of retaliation from the global community? I find it hard to imagine it would not with oil prices immediately soaring and more unrest in the middle east.Any thoughts on how other countries would react to Israel?
Well, I’m pretty sure that Russia and China aren’t going to sit idly by and watch Israel and the United States attack Iran. It’s time for them to step up to the plate and tell Israel and the US to back off NOW.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:00 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Unfortunately, I have the sinking feeling that W’s assessment of Putin’s soul is as accurate as everything else in his administration, except funneling of war profits to the “haves and have mores.”
Remember that Putin was head of their intelligence agency.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:04 pmKind of like W’s daddy.
Gregor Samsa Says: Welcome back -I had seen your comments on the threads lately but missed you. I really hope Israel’s plans are not driven by religion. Until recently, their plans were fact-based. But then, Olmert is no Moshe Dayan.
Hey there – I was hoping you were still around. Great to see you again. Have missed you as well.
I figure the people running Israel’s government are just as inclinded to believe that their god is on thwir side and that even though they are like the biblical David in stature, they can slay Goliath becaue they are ‘right’ – or other such nonsense that the religious whackos, like Bush, who believe in divine intervention on their behalf believe.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:06 pm“Daddy-O Says: Didn’t work, but at least I know I’m not alone.”
Daddy-O; If you don’t have Firefox, download it and try again.
¶ AIO
July 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pmDaddy-O,
July 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pmEither use Firefox as your browser or click on the title line for the thread. This will work for all threads except the McCain “Computer Literacy” thread. That comes up in a surreal mode.
And what will NATO do? There’s no imminent threat rationale, and some of the newly-inducted countries might get rather animated over a sudden, unannounced incursion.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:08 pmalphainfinityomega,
July 13th, 2008 at 4:10 pmYou beat me by a heartbeat.
Just watched “JFK” last night, and I’m experiencing a new wave of nausea-filled paranoia by merely THINKING about the military-industrial complex controlled U.S. government.
Wanna really make yourself sick, watch Bill Moyers “Secret Government: Constitution in Crisis”. Tends to make one realize, it won’t matter who is in the WH.
LINK
July 13th, 2008 at 4:16 pmunbelievable, Daddy-O,
July 13th, 2008 at 4:25 pmI checked my update history and the last update was 07/09/2008. (American notation.) I do use tabbed browsers which are a ported function.
#22-Bilbo,
“If he is under articles of impeachment, he will be severely curtailed as to what he can do.”
Articles of impeachment must follow hearings during which Botch will phuck us all again by invading Iran and declaring martial law.
He will do it during the investigative phase of impeachment…he will not wait for the articles to be filed. He will invade at the first hint of hearings, much less impeachment.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:38 pmIf you don’t have Firefox
You’re making a HUGE mistake.
Using IE’s “delete temporary internet files” function in TOOLS/INTERNET OPTIONS pull-down DOESN’T DO SQUAT.
Your entire browsing history stays in a hidden folder (”Content.IE5″), forever.
That’s whay Window’s machines always, always slow down and die every 3 years.
July 13th, 2008 at 4:40 pmthe offical added, “I know he doesn’t believe that anything but force will deter Iran.”
Well, sure. When you wanna use the hammer in your hand really really bad, everything looks like a nail.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:04 pmImpeach Reid and Pelosi for not impeaching Bush & Cheney!
July 13th, 2008 at 5:11 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Well, sure. When you wanna use the hammer in your hand really really bad, everything looks like a nail.
The hammer is gone, the only tool left is the dust brush!
July 13th, 2008 at 5:14 pmArticles of impeachment must follow hearings during which Botch will phuck us all again by …. and declaring martial law.
Comment by dixie blood
I have a sinking feeling that he is going to do that anyway; what’s to stop him, he’s already stolen 2 elections and used the Constitution as toilet paper.
The irony is that the dis-orders that ’causes’ ML will all be his and Cheney fault anyway – almost as if it were done on purpose.
(who’da thunk it?)
¶ AIO
July 13th, 2008 at 5:14 pmKnowing that we are a just nation
Knowing that we work for peace
Knowing that we have warned Iran that military action would meet retaliation
Is there any doubt that we would retaliate against Israel for unprovoked military action – such as military exercises preparing to bomb Iran ?
July 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pm$200 – $300 per barrel of oil, $5 – $10 per gallon of gasoline here we come!!!
Unbelievable, I missed you most.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pmGeorge Bush the Chicken Hearted & Israel
will most likely start the murderous attacks during the Darkness of a NEW MOON:
Aug 1, Sep 29, Oct 28, Nov 27, Dec 27……If They attack before the November 4, 2008 U.S. elections,
Bush will be able to declare Martial Law, Suspend the elections, Lock down the United States, and remain in power.
Strange days indeed!
July 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pmAny thoughts on how other countries would react to Israel?
Vanthomas,
I know you dont’t mean Iran, but their reaction is the most important, after all.
And I’d hate to be on the first oil tanker traversing the Strait of Hormuz after an Israeli strike (which Iran and the Arab world will view as a US strike no matter), because Iran will be taking it out. Us simpleton tough guy countries still don’t get asymetric warfare, but others do.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:41 pmalphainfinityomega Says:
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I have a sinking feeling that he is going to do that anyway[...]
And you are right. It is a done deal!
July 13th, 2008 at 5:42 pmThese congressmen and woman who refuse to do their jobs and impeach should be held accountable and jailed right now instead of after the bombing starts.Its obvious they own oil stock or have conflicting interests just like the Bush administration.The more Bush threatens the more they all make on gas.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:46 pmDADDY-O,
I quit using IE years ago, and have never looked back; Better performance on Firefox, less spam and almost everything works better.
July 13th, 2008 at 5:57 pmagain i ask – since the times is another rupert murdoch property, does that matter?
July 13th, 2008 at 6:08 pmupside99,
July 13th, 2008 at 6:11 pmDoes Firefox support tabbed browsing? I use that because I only have 2GB of memory and opening multiple windows really saps my machine.
The Washington Times has hired Barbara Slavin as a foreign correspondant. She has been to Iran 7 times, is very smart and perceptive….and she clearly sees Iran as a complex country requiring a very nuanced approach. Her reporting on Iran, in my opinion, is excellent.
I won’t put words in her mouth, but I bet she thinks an unprovoked attack on Iran would be disasterously couterproductive.
I have no idea what Murdoch and the Rev. Moon are up to.??
July 13th, 2008 at 6:34 pmUh, in a speech a couple of week’s ago Obama was asked about this very thing, regarding backing Israel in the event of a war against Iran and he said ” when I am president I will back Israel 100%” …..Well I guess that settle’s it….Blessings
July 13th, 2008 at 6:48 pmU.S. House and Senate Leadership,
At this point, i don’t care what kind of threats or blackmail BushCo is threatening you with, it is imperative that you uphold your duty to this country and rein in these criminals before they get any closer to starting and/or abetting another war.
It is not inevitable unless you don’t stop it.
NOW.
July 13th, 2008 at 6:55 pmHi John Kerry:
July 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pmCome on stay for a minute…
Hi John Kerry:
July 13th, 2008 at 7:04 pmCome on stay for a minute…
WaltTheMan Says:
upside99,
Does Firefox support tabbed browsing? I use that because I only have 2GB of memory and opening multiple windows really saps my machine.
Yes, I use it all the time in Tab mode.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:12 pmJohn Kerry Says:
and what is your point??????
If it’s that George Bush is the BEST President of the last 60 years then I concur! If it’s that George Bush has more balls than any of you pussy libs the I concur!
Otherwise, what the hell is your point?? No, let me answer this! It’s that libs are cowards and Republicans are MEN!!
That john kerry troll is a riot! I guess he thinks that going AWOL from a NG unit when he got into from Daddy, so he wouldn’t have to go to Vietnam takes balls?? Or Darth with 5 deferments? Or all the NeoCOns Chickenhawks that have NEVER served at all?
The Repugs are the sackless cowards.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:16 pm“John Kerry Says:
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and what is your point??????
If it’s that George Bush is the BEST President of the last 60 years then I concur! If it’s that George Bush has more balls than any of you pussy libs the I concur!
Otherwise, what the hell is your point?? No, let me answer this! It’s that libs are cowards and Republicans are MEN!!
“
That’s pretty stupid…
RePugniScums are MEN?? Since when you pissed soaked troll?
RePugniScums are Corporate Fascist scumbags!!!
July 13th, 2008 at 7:23 pmBush doesn’t believe that anything but force will deter Iran
From Daniel Benjamin in last weeks
Washington Post:
More than seven years into Bush’s tenure, it’s still not clear whether he advocates regime change in Tehran or favors a negotiated deal to stop the ayatollahs’ suspected nuclear program. The failure to decide has been a guarantee of failure. After all, we can’t have it both ways: The Iranians are hardly going to bargain with us to stop developing the ultimate weapon if they think we want to do away with their government.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:25 pmdixie, you’re taking Troll John Kerry the wrong way.
He doesn’t mean any of the things he says, he just opens the door, throws in a stink bomb and then runs away giggling.
Most of us have decided that he’s amusing.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:34 pmGod help us. This country is in the grip of a madman.
July 13th, 2008 at 7:42 pmGo Safari Browser! (Firefox is really good too)
July 13th, 2008 at 7:47 pmStinky troll alert @ 59 telling lies again: “Republicans are MEN!!”
republiscums are really girly men and they come in all sorts of flavors.
Let’s see there is back door Larry from Idaho, Diaper David from down in Louisiana, page boy Foley from sunny Florida (which gets another accolade for Rick Keller who likes to orally pleasure other men and pays them!), and even a former national leader of Young republiscums got caught orally stimulating a sleeping fellow Young repbliscum.
And have those young republiscums any war stories to tell us? No, those girly men all seem to have physical problems that prevent them from fighting for their country.
John Kerry=Brainless Twit
July 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pmAnd just who in the heck was Jeff Gannon “servicing” in the White House?
July 13th, 2008 at 7:57 pmThey’re only doing this to drive up the price of oil.
July 13th, 2008 at 8:30 pmI Bush thinking a strike against Iran will seal his legacy as a great president akin to Charles Manson thinking an evening in California will show his righteousness ?
July 13th, 2008 at 10:17 pmUmm, NO
If you don’t have Firefox
You’re making a HUGE mistake.
Using IE’s “delete temporary internet files” function in TOOLS/INTERNET OPTIONS pull-down DOESN’T DO SQUAT.
Your entire browsing history stays in a hidden folder (”Content.IE5?), forever.
That’s whay Window’s machines always, always slow down and die every 3 years.
July 13th, 2008 at 11:28 pmShit, who’se going to buy or bras, cigarettes and bull semen?
July 13th, 2008 at 11:52 pmor = our, late, must go sleep, damn…
July 13th, 2008 at 11:52 pmThis bunch of thugs needs to be tied down with legal matters trying to stay out of jail. Impeach this sorry little man.
July 14th, 2008 at 12:01 amIf the Israelis are really concerned about threats, why are they so unconcerned about threats to Jews in the United States as a consequence of an Iranian attack?
By the way, how many times does Israel plan on attacking Iran? Every five years? Every ten years? Throughout history? What?
I believe Iran and Syria are just helping their Muslim and Arab brothers maintain their self-respect, which Israel denies the Palestinians every day. I see their struggle as heroic and their supporters to be admired.
Israel needs to respect the rights of others, including the right of Iran to develop its own nuclear industry. Israel has gotten away with double standards and hypocrisy long enough.
July 14th, 2008 at 12:12 amIt is obvious to me that Dubya never stopped drinking and doing drugs.
July 14th, 2008 at 1:27 amThe Times of London reports that President Bush “has told the Israeli government that he may be prepared to approve a future military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if negotiations with Tehran break down, according to a senior Pentagon official”
With Bush’s record of “success,” the Israelis would do well to do the opposite of whatever Bush recommends.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
July 14th, 2008 at 1:34 amRandomChaos Says:
Umm, NO
Oh, and I forgot to mention that Windows sucks big fat loser dick.
If you’ve never experienced a Mac, you’re probably a died in the wool Repuke. ;)
July 14th, 2008 at 8:53 amdbadass Says:
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Hi John Kerry:
Come on stay for a minute
July 14th, 2008 at 9:03 am
Your entire browsing history stays in a hidden folder (”Content.IE5?), forever.
Well, you can delete those folders [and dat files] if you add an entry to the autoexec.bat. Its the index.dat files in those folders that hold the data. The index.dat files cant be deleted because they are in use by winblows but can be deleted if you boot into dos. New empty index.dat files will automatically be created when booting into windows.
July 14th, 2008 at 9:25 am“It was all about finding a way to do it.”
July 14th, 2008 at 12:04 pmPaul O’Neill, about Bush’s war obsession with Saddam Hussein and Iraq that started the day he took office.
“The index.dat files cant be deleted because they are in use by winblows but can be deleted if you boot into dos.”
Correction:
Not if your HD is formatted with NTFS. DOS cannot read an NTFS volume. This only works if your HD is formatted as FAT32.
July 14th, 2008 at 7:33 pm