Well I guess they could strip him of his chairmanship but they cant kick him out of their party if he’s not even a member of it.

This guy is an Isreali.

A war-monging one at that.

This should be a no brainer.

And NO, I am NOT an American, thanks.

You seriously need to investigate modern pharmaceuticals, dude.

I doubt that [Lieberman] could be re-elected dog-catcher after his embarrassing performance over the past two years.

Not Democratic dog-catcher, certainly — but what if he were to run for Republican dog-catcher?

Fraud, er, Fred….projecting patently false statements in order to make an irrelevant point doesn’t bolster your position, it makes you desperate to be an apologist for the failure dems.

Conyers can’t seem to find a reason to arrest bush, but he can arrest Cindy Sheehan for presenting him with a petition and demanding he act. The dems are cowards.

Replacement for Conyers? Dodd, Feingold, Wexler, Waxman. (Not too many to choose from, unfortunately.) Or anyone else willing to unrelentingly go after bush.

I tire of your whining about how bad things..heehaw..heehaw…

Things are bad and the dems are sitting with their thumbs up their @sses allowing it and voting for it. The 9%…NINE PERCENT CONGRESS is a dem majorty. Record low.

Wake up bilbofred! The Constitution is aflame and while the republicans are holding the torch, the idiot dems are bringing the marshmallows. Only a rube would believe this game isn’t rigged.

Time to boot, then reboot. America 2.0.

your mantra seems to be hopelessness and anger. Try to contribute to moving us forward instead of helping them take us backwards.

Read Glen Greenwald. The dems are, by and large, a fraud and a money-first-Constitution-last group of spineless whores. Remember Conyers before the ‘06 elections? “Constitution In Crisis!” Remember Conyers after the ‘06 elections? “er…nevermind…”

maybe if you had helped conyers have the majority he required to do something about it we would be in a different place. But you didn’t so here we are.

please suggest a replacement for conyers oh know it all.

I tire of your whining about how bad things are and how there is nothing we can do or offering shooting ourselves in the foot again as a solution….

look, bilbo, or fred or whomever you’re pretending to be: You challenged, childishly, a source of information and got your @ss handed to you. Baiting me with “you must be a (fill in blank)” or some other taunt to salve your bruised ego doesn’t make you sound smart, just desperate.

Obama’s in the telecom’s pocket. I understand completely why people like you would advocate for the status quo: It works for corrupt dems like $360,000 Obama or “impeachment off the table” Pelosi or “We’re trying” Reid. Unfortunately, “better than McCain and the republicans” ain’t much of a rallying cry. The dems are a collective failure and, yes, we need to reject this perpetual fraud that masquerades as a “just” system. Corporations own the vote results. bush loses $$$billions. 9-11 money trail remains uninvestigated. In fact, none of the truly imperative crimes have been investigated under the dems. They gave bush plenty of warning to shred evidence. (Remember the shredding truck outside the Cheney compound?)

Fact is, the dems are defending the status quo because they are up to their necks in it too. It’s unsurprising that, like the weasels before the Revolutionary war who wanted to remain loyal to the crown and status quo, people like you want to remain loyal to the idiots who’ve overseen the suspension of Habeas Corpus and the suspension of the 4th amendment. The rise of torture (Pelosi knew of waterboarding in 2002 and didn’t speak up, preferring a “me too” afterthought on someone else’s memo.)

Read Glen Greenwald. The dems are, by and large, a fraud and a money-first-Constitution-last group of spineless whores. Remember Conyers before the ‘06 elections? “Constitution In Crisis!” Remember Conyers after the ‘06 elections? “er…nevermind…”

Everyone knows the republicans are America’s Nazi party, replete with torture, semantics to excuse their crimes (which the Nuremberg trials didn’t tolerate, but our congress is just dandy with…) and yet, the b*stard dems sit around and give bush all he wants to the tune of a 9% approval rating.

Translation? The dems leadershi(t) sucks, and sucks @ss. They are not our only hope because they are not an alternative, just a different breed of corrupt. Please, explain Obama’s FISA cave-in and his $360,000 FU to the Constitution. Sounds exactly like Colin Powell’s conscience-salving 1995 Jaguar that was presented to him by Bandar bush.

Meet the new boss, same as the old boss…

Funky P Says:
Since the ‘Gang of eight’ were the only members of Congress who knew about the program, and since the program itself was illegal, the were complicit in the commission of multiple felonies, so immunity for telecoms is in a sense immunity for them as well.

I agree with this statement and it explains a lot. bush would have villified them as traitors, remember this was right after 9/11 and everyone was willing to cooperate with this administration……too much if you ask me.

First; the N.Y. Times revealed the program in 2005, not the dems. Second; they Reps tried to pass retroactive immunity when they controlled congress but were unable to. The Dems fought the program at that time. Why did they acquiesce after they had control? What leverage was used to get them to come around. It wasn’t that the ‘revised’ program was an improvement or a compromise (according to Feingold, Constitutional Law Professor Turley, and many others)Just as Pelosi took impeachment off the table, the Democratic election strategy appears to be to ‘appear strong on terrorism’. Appearing strong here meaning capitulation to the neo-con agenda.
In essence, the spying constituted (no pun intended ) a felony; Bush also said he would continue the (illegal) program, at the time. Since the ‘Gang of eight’ were the only members of Congress who knew about the program, and since the program itself was illegal, the were complicit in the commission of multiple felonies, so immunity for telecoms is in a sense immunity for them as well.

Would we be in Iraq now if Gore had been elected?
would we be in the financial crisis we now face?
would 9/11 even have happened?
would the stock market in 08 be in the same place it was in 01?
would we have two or three more regressive supreme court justices?
Would our health care be in the dire shape it is in now?

Gore was elected; I know it’s only a minor point, but there it is.
Financial crisis is how the Republican party functions. All major recessions of the modern era came under Republican Presidents.
You cannot justify neocon agenda with 9/11. Even the telecom spying PRECEEDED 9/11. Did you know that?
Look, you are preaching to the choir if your argument is we would be better off under a Democratic Prez, but a whole lot of people are really sick of voting for ‘the lesser of two evils’
Obama held out hope that he was different.
He isn’t. That’s just fine with you, but some people are pretty pissed off.
Have a good day, I’ve got a gig :>)

hanshiro Says:
I do owe you an apology, though, fred; I somehow gave you the impression that I give a rat’s @ss what you think.

Sure you’re not a republican? Sure sound like one.

Oh, I see, you are here to exercise your superior mental powers over the rest of us.

Nah, just you & your smarter sister bilbo; though I get more metal stimulation from the decision, “paper or plastic?”

hanshiro Says:
You seem to take bilbo’s slapdown uniquely personally there, fred, for ’some reason.’ *cough*multipleprofiles*cough*

Although I take it as a compliment to be compared to bilbo it just makes it more clear that you are new here. Bilbo’s posts are usually very much to the point, unlike your ramblings about a revolution that you wish would happen but won’t.

Who do you guys hope to enlist into your disasterous move this time? It was tried and it failed miserably in 2000. We wound up with bush.

Insanity is doing the same thing time after time while expecting different results.

So what does that tell me? That tells me that the republiscums figured that with the caging of voters and the DOJ falsely charging Democrats with crimes and the rigged voting machines and who knows what other illegal dirty tricks would keep them in control of Congress.

You seem to take bilbo’s slapdown uniquely personally there, fred, for ’some reason.’ *cough*multipleprofiles*cough* I do owe you an apology, though, fred; I somehow gave you the impression that I give a rat’s @ss what you think.

Terribly sorry.

(P.S. Thanks Witch1!)

I USED to believe all that politically strategic logic too.

“I can understand the tough position Harry Reid is in with this particular matter.

But, I prefer that WE-THE-PEOPLE begin to set the agendas, and stop playing-along with conventional political-wisdom (oxymoron?). Instead of being spectators (the dog who is being wagged by our collective tails) and Monday morning QBs, let’s get off the sideline, and onto the field of play. I don’t mean we all run for office. I mean we become proactive in recognizing and telling it like it is … BEFORE the politicians and the pundits tell US how we should interpret things (’if he does this, she’ll do that, and we’ll lose something’, yadda, yadda, yadda). No more mental-masturbation.

Yo’DuncanIdaho, riddle me this Batman, how is a vote for a guy who has run for Prez about 47 damn times and lost each time a so-called ‘radical‘ play? Sheez! It is more like, same-old, same-old! Catch a clue. Geezus, isn’t Nader older than McGrandPa? They are both old enough to fart dust. Yeah, that’s some real serious ‘radical‘ you got goin’ on IdaHO. Gimmie a break. Throwing your vote away … yeah, that ‘radical’ all right … radically friggin’ STUPID, anyway. And Idaho, you speak about ‘Americans’ as though you are not one yourself, whattsup wit’ dat, IdaHO?

Funky P Says:
If America had given the dems a supermajority in 06 you would be seeing a completely different result.

Maybe. The Repugs had a pretty good majority prior to Nov. 2006
and they were unable to get retroactive immunity passed. It took the Dems to do that.
What does that tell you?

Tells me that it was a big secret and they saw no need to try for immunity until the changes in 06 and some degree of oversight was restored. You wouldn’t even know about it if it weren’t for the few good dems that we do have.

Look, I agree that the dems have dropped the ball, actually since Carter but to blame them for current events is just wrong.

Consider this:
Would we be in Iraq now if Gore had been elected?
would we be in the financial crisis we now face?
would 9/11 even have happened?
would the stock market in 08 be in the same place it was in 01?
would we have two or three more regressive supreme court justices?
Would our health care be in the dire shape it is in now?

I submit that the answer to all of those is no. The dems did not get us here and they are the only chance we have to turn things around.

We have a bunce of dems that should be run out of office by better progressives but our only choice to change things is to elect Obama. That is just the way it is. It aint great and it definatly aint the best we could do but it is what it is.