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	<title>Comments on: Payne admits selling access could be &#8216;perceived to be bribery,&#8217; but insists it&#8217;s legal.</title>
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		<title>By: MapleStreet</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5091084</link>
		<dc:creator>MapleStreet</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:50:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Let me help out the trolls:

If  you stop your car on the street and give money to a fellow so that a lady gets in the car and goes to your apartment, it **could** be construed to be ____________ ?  Or you could be running a rescue mission to help young ladies get their GED.  We don&#039;t really know what happened.

Innocent until proven guilty

Clinton did it first.

The tape was photoshopped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Let me help out the trolls:</p>
<p>If  you stop your car on the street and give money to a fellow so that a lady gets in the car and goes to your apartment, it **could** be construed to be ____________ ?  Or you could be running a rescue mission to help young ladies get their GED.  We don&#8217;t really know what happened.</p>
<p>Innocent until proven guilty</p>
<p>Clinton did it first.</p>
<p>The tape was photoshopped.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5091084', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: scytherius</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090990</link>
		<dc:creator>scytherius</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 15:32:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What&#039;s really sad is it probably IS legal.  This is America ya know where being a traitor is legal but god forbid they catch you with a joint or hiring a hooker.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What&#8217;s really sad is it probably IS legal.  This is America ya know where being a traitor is legal but god forbid they catch you with a joint or hiring a hooker.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090990', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Druthers</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090622</link>
		<dc:creator>Druthers</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 14:13:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I don&#039;t doubt for a minute that bribery is legal in Washington.  Congress sold us down the river and have we ever seen an elected official languish in poverty?

Our Congress persons who are honest are not considered &quot;serious&quot; by the courtisans and their minions.
After all, what makes a serious person?....Making Money!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t doubt for a minute that bribery is legal in Washington.  Congress sold us down the river and have we ever seen an elected official languish in poverty?</p>
<p>Our Congress persons who are honest are not considered &#8220;serious&#8221; by the courtisans and their minions.<br />
After all, what makes a serious person?&#8230;.Making Money!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090622', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: goose1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090560</link>
		<dc:creator>goose1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:49:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>isn&#039;t bribery a &quot;high crime or misdemeanor&quot;?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>isn&#8217;t bribery a &#8220;high crime or misdemeanor&#8221;?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090560', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: A Patriot Acting</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090532</link>
		<dc:creator>A Patriot Acting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:36:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Release the WH visiotrs logs!! Let&#039;s see how often the shrub met with Jeff Gannon, Abramoff, Payne etal! The public has every right to know who is visiting OUR HOUSE!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Release the WH visiotrs logs!! Let&#8217;s see how often the shrub met with Jeff Gannon, Abramoff, Payne etal! The public has every right to know who is visiting OUR HOUSE!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090532', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: A Patriot Acting</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090530</link>
		<dc:creator>A Patriot Acting</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:34:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For some reason the words &quot;crime syndicate&quot; and &quot;RICO laws&quot; keep popping into my head. When this story broke, I remember that Payne had said that something like 20-30% of the donations would actually go to the Bush Lieberry. Where does the rest of the money go? Oh, and Bush says he barely knew Payne. May have met him once or twice. Didn&#039;t the Shrub say the exact same thing about Abramoff and Ken Lay??</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For some reason the words &#8220;crime syndicate&#8221; and &#8220;RICO laws&#8221; keep popping into my head. When this story broke, I remember that Payne had said that something like 20-30% of the donations would actually go to the Bush Lieberry. Where does the rest of the money go? Oh, and Bush says he barely knew Payne. May have met him once or twice. Didn&#8217;t the Shrub say the exact same thing about Abramoff and Ken Lay??<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090530', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: DieNowForPeace</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090522</link>
		<dc:creator>DieNowForPeace</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 13:26:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh, those Shrubbies (et. al.) are SO gonna burn in hell.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh, those Shrubbies (et. al.) are SO gonna burn in hell.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090522', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Cats r Flyfishn</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090472</link>
		<dc:creator>Cats r Flyfishn</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 11:35:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can you imagine the reaction of the media and the neo-cons if this had happened in the Clinton administration?  As long as Bush remains in office, the criminals are free to move about the country.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can you imagine the reaction of the media and the neo-cons if this had happened in the Clinton administration?  As long as Bush remains in office, the criminals are free to move about the country.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090472', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: valawstudent</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-2/#comment-5090460</link>
		<dc:creator>valawstudent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 10:47:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>His argument is correct according to the administration&#039;s rules.  These rules hold, for example, that waterboarding does not constitute torture.  After, &quot;america doesn&#039;t torture people&quot; rather, we engage conduct &quot;harsh interrogation techniques.&quot; 

So, if waterboarding is not torture, then paying large sums of cash to meet with the president so he can provide favors does not constitute bribery, but it is instead &quot;free market negotiations.&quot;  And, everyone knows that America loves free markets as much as freedom itself.  Because remember if you&#039;re against freedom (e.g., by not wearing flag lapel pins, criticizing GOP leaders or Fox News, thinking logically and rationally), you are emboldening the terrorists, and if you embolden the terrorists then we have to fight them over here.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>His argument is correct according to the administration&#8217;s rules.  These rules hold, for example, that waterboarding does not constitute torture.  After, &#8220;america doesn&#8217;t torture people&#8221; rather, we engage conduct &#8220;harsh interrogation techniques.&#8221; </p>
<p>So, if waterboarding is not torture, then paying large sums of cash to meet with the president so he can provide favors does not constitute bribery, but it is instead &#8220;free market negotiations.&#8221;  And, everyone knows that America loves free markets as much as freedom itself.  Because remember if you&#8217;re against freedom (e.g., by not wearing flag lapel pins, criticizing GOP leaders or Fox News, thinking logically and rationally), you are emboldening the terrorists, and if you embolden the terrorists then we have to fight them over here.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090460', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: republicanSScareme</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090428</link>
		<dc:creator>republicanSScareme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 07:43:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Dear Mr. Payne,

Perceptions are reality. Are you an idiot? You say that in such a glib way as if to say, &quot;So what?&quot;

Some perceptions are common sense and that&#039;s why the American public perceives the Bush &amp; Friends Administration as a bunch of lying, spying, bribe-taking, ass sucking, sons and daughter-killing thugs. It&#039;s funny how perceptions often match the truth.

Perceptions have their place, as do ropes and trees.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Dear Mr. Payne,</p>
<p>Perceptions are reality. Are you an idiot? You say that in such a glib way as if to say, &#8220;So what?&#8221;</p>
<p>Some perceptions are common sense and that&#8217;s why the American public perceives the Bush &amp; Friends Administration as a bunch of lying, spying, bribe-taking, ass sucking, sons and daughter-killing thugs. It&#8217;s funny how perceptions often match the truth.</p>
<p>Perceptions have their place, as do ropes and trees.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090428', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: republicanSScareme</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090408</link>
		<dc:creator>republicanSScareme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 06:36:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>By &quot;“lawsuits and things,” I think they mean lynch mobs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By &#8220;“lawsuits and things,” I think they mean lynch mobs.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090408', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Gregor Samsa</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090374</link>
		<dc:creator>Gregor Samsa</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:22:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If we believe the Bush administration&#039;s spinmeisters, this &lt;i&gt;looks&lt;/i&gt; like a bribery but isn&#039;t, just like what was happening at Abu Ghraib &lt;i&gt;looked&lt;/i&gt; like torture but wasn&#039;t. 

Along the same lines, the US troops in Iraq &lt;i&gt;look&lt;/i&gt; like an occupation but isn&#039;t.

If you believed any of the above, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying. I can even give you a discount.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If we believe the Bush administration&#8217;s spinmeisters, this <i>looks</i> like a bribery but isn&#8217;t, just like what was happening at Abu Ghraib <i>looked</i> like torture but wasn&#8217;t. </p>
<p>Along the same lines, the US troops in Iraq <i>look</i> like an occupation but isn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>If you believed any of the above, I have a bridge you might be interested in buying. I can even give you a discount.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090374', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090372</link>
		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:15:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Didn&#039;t &lt;a href=&quot;http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Resignation&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Spiro Agnew resign&lt;/a&gt; due to an envelope found in his possession?

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>Didn&#8217;t <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spiro_Agnew#Resignation" rel="nofollow">Spiro Agnew resign</a> due to an envelope found in his possession?</p>
<p>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090372', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: Max-1</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090364</link>
		<dc:creator>Max-1</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:10:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>.

Well,
I suppose you could say a bank robber makes a withdrawal...

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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>.</p>
<p>Well,<br />
I suppose you could say a bank robber makes a withdrawal&#8230;</p>
<p>.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090364', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: kassandrasduplex</title>
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		<dc:creator>kassandrasduplex</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 05:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Torture isn&#039;t torture.
Bribes aren&#039;t bribes.
The economic global depression is only in your mind. 
War is Peace. 
And Rush Limbaugh is worth almost a 1/2 Billion dollars.
Cole Porter would spin if he could see what goes now...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Torture isn&#8217;t torture.<br />
Bribes aren&#8217;t bribes.<br />
The economic global depression is only in your mind.<br />
War is Peace.<br />
And Rush Limbaugh is worth almost a 1/2 Billion dollars.<br />
Cole Porter would spin if he could see what goes now&#8230;<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090344', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RandomChaos</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090300</link>
		<dc:creator>RandomChaos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:19:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Awe dang it! I was to late for the Troll edumecationing!
LOL, did I miss much?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Awe dang it! I was to late for the Troll edumecationing!<br />
LOL, did I miss much?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090300', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder llama</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090294</link>
		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:08:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;lawr1999 Says:
Trajan:
... Your big mistake was to brag about this attack online. You do realize that if you hadn’t made that threat in a fit of rage, you wouldn’t now be reduced to being just a mere brainless troll.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

I disagree.

Even if Twajie hadn&#039;t made that threat, he would &lt;em&gt;still&lt;/em&gt; be reduced to being just a braindead troll.

Some eventualities just can&#039;t be helped.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>lawr1999 Says:<br />
Trajan:<br />
&#8230; Your big mistake was to brag about this attack online. You do realize that if you hadn’t made that threat in a fit of rage, you wouldn’t now be reduced to being just a mere brainless troll.</p></blockquote>
<p>I disagree.</p>
<p>Even if Twajie hadn&#8217;t made that threat, he would <em>still</em> be reduced to being just a braindead troll.</p>
<p>Some eventualities just can&#8217;t be helped.<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090294', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: ralph the wonder llama</title>
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		<dc:creator>ralph the wonder llama</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:06:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Uh-oh... I guess Faiz changed his mind, eh, Pee?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Uh-oh&#8230; I guess Faiz changed his mind, eh, Pee?<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090290', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: 5th Estate</title>
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		<dc:creator>5th Estate</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 04:02:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;night z... &#039;night RUC, &#039;night upside..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;night z&#8230; &#8216;night RUC, &#8216;night upside..<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090286', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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		<title>By: RUCerious</title>
		<link>http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/14/payne-bribery/comment-page-1/#comment-5090284</link>
		<dc:creator>RUCerious</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 15 Jul 2008 03:58:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Later Z!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Later Z!<a href="javascript:void(0)" title=""  onmouseover="window.status=''; return true" onmouseout="window.status=''; return true" onclick="ddrc_popup('http://thinkprogress.org/wp-content/plugins/dd-report-comments/report.php?c=5090284', 400, 400)"></a></p>
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