McCain Backtracks From His Radical Opposition To Gay Adoption
McCain Backtracks From His Radical Opposition To Gay Adoption
In a statement sent to Andrew Sullivan, the McCain campaign is backing away from the radical stance on gay adoption that Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) endorsed in a weekend interview with the New York Times. “McCain could have been clearer in the interview in stating that his position on gay adoption is that it is a state issue,” said spokeswoman Jill Hazelbaker.
Here’s how Hazelbaker explains McCain’s position:
McCain’s expressed his personal preference for children to be raised by a mother and a father wherever possible. However, as an adoptive father himself, McCain believes children deserve loving and caring home environments, and he recognizes that there are many abandoned children who have yet to find homes. McCain believes that in those situations that caring parental figures are better for the child than the alternative.
In his initial interview with the New York Times, McCain stated straight-forwardly that, “we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no I don’t believe in gay adoption.” Asked where he stood “if the alternative is the kid staying in an orphanage, or not having parents,” McCain said his “concern” was that the child be with “a traditional couple.”
Q: Even if the alternative is the kid staying in an orphanage, or not having parents.
Mr. McCain: I encourage adoption and I encourage the opportunities for people to adopt children I encourage the process being less complicated so they can adopt as quickly as possible. And Cindy and I are proud of being adoptive parents.
Q: But your concern would be that the couple should a traditional couple
Mr. McCain: Yes.
Critics reacted swiftly to McCain’s comments, calling them “terrible” and “thoughtless.” As Winnie Stachelberg and Robert Gordon pointed out at the Wonk Room yesterday, McCain’s stated approach ruled out “adoption by gay individuals –- even though these adoptions are permitted in every state except Florida.” McCain’s stance seems to rule out adoption by single heterosexuals as well.
Noting that about 130,000 children wait in the foster care system each year and nearly every child welfare organization in the country opposes bans on gay adoption, Stachelberg and Gordon asked if McCain really thinks that “hundreds of thousands of children should sit in foster care and orphanages while we wait for ‘Ozzie and Harriet’ families to appear?”
In an update to their Wonk Room post, Stachelberg and Gordon write that it’s hard to tell if the last sentence in Hazelbaker’s clarification means “McCain personally doesn’t agree with Florida.” They conclude that McCain owes more “straight talk” on the issue because “barring gay people from adopting is morally wrong.”
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Maverick flip-flopped. Again.
Whadda mensch, eh Joey L.?
July 15th, 2008 at 3:41 pmHe lost my vote again
July 15th, 2008 at 3:42 pmThe Forked Tongue Express’ flips are having a hard time keeping up with its flops.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:42 pmalthough, I guess he has to have my vote first to lose it
July 15th, 2008 at 3:43 pmATTN: FISH ON DICK!
July 15th, 2008 at 3:43 pmI hope that pack of slavering homophobic bigots on the right he panders to constantly EATS HIM ALIVE.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:45 pmAnother day, Another McCain flipflop.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:47 pmIf he’s got a homophobe problem, I would seriously advise him not to pick Crist as his VP.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:48 pmI pick 4:02 EDT for Daryll’s arrival…
July 15th, 2008 at 3:49 pmOK, Darryl isn’t here so I’ll have to be the one who tells us what the word of God is on this subject. I found the following quotation from our Lord. I interpret this to mean that we can all purchase these children and make them our slaves. Why don’t we do this instead of adopting them? It also doesn’t say that gays can’t purchase these slaves so I’d say we should all be able to purchase immigrant slaves. It is written!!
“However, you may purchase male or female slaves from among the foreigners who live among you. You may also purchase the children of such resident foreigners, including those who have been born in your land. You may treat them as your property, passing them on to your children as a permanent inheritance. You may treat your slaves like this, but the people of Israel, your relatives, must never be treated this way.”
(Leviticus 25:44-46 NLT)
July 15th, 2008 at 3:49 pmcaption: …and somehow his heart grew three sizes…
July 15th, 2008 at 3:53 pmSpin harder, Tripplekick. Maybe you can generate some interest in his campaign.
July 15th, 2008 at 3:54 pmParodyll’s here!!!!
Cum on over here and give me some faux brown sugar!!!
Oh, and why did the McCain campaign inform Andrew Sullivan???
July 15th, 2008 at 3:56 pmDribbleDick Says:
July 15th, 2008 at 4:01 pmOnce again,I have no idea what the hell I’m talking about. there is clearly nothing “radical” about opposing gay couples adopting children. Its simply his stupid a$$ opinion. McCain said that children should better stay in orphanages rather than be adopted by gays. Most americans, regardless of party affiliation, realize that gay adoption is of course less than ideal than a traditional family, especially traditional families that include mental, physical, and/or sexual abuse the children. Nope, nothing radical there. Hardly radical. Oh, and I’m a mucking foron!
By the Old Testament, It is not a sin to be gay, but participating in homosexual acts is a sin. So yes, Homosexuals can adopt by the law of the Torah.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:02 pmDaryll,
There is no interpretation here. It’s pretty clear, we can purchase children. Since you asked for a New Testament quote, here are two. I believe in the word of the Bible and it says child slavery is ok. It does NOT say that gays can’t own child slaves too! Do you not believe the word of the Lord?!
“Christians who are slaves should give their masters full respect so that the name of God and his teaching will not be shamed. If your master is a Christian, that is no excuse for being disrespectful. You should work all the harder because you are helping another believer by your efforts. Teach these truths, Timothy, and encourage everyone to obey them.”
Timothy 6:1-2 NLT
“Slaves, obey your earthly masters with deep respect and fear. Serve them sincerely as you would serve Christ.”
Ephesians 6:5 NLT
July 15th, 2008 at 4:02 pmI have gay friends who have adopted and so far their children havnt turned deformed or criminal or anything that the Regime claims.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:03 pmDaryll Says:
This is the reason why I really dislike Sen. McCain as the Republican Presidential candidate. He lacks consistency. He is gradually beginning to lose my support. I will continue to pray that God makes a change on his moral/ethical decisions.
You have more chance of praying for “president elect Huckabee” to work.
If McCain shifts to something you like, Daryll, wait a day (or a few hours). It will change again, depending on who he is peaking in front of.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:04 pmDaryll Says
July 15th, 2008 at 3:52 pm
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OK, I was off by 10 minutes. Did anybody have 3:52 pm?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:05 pmMcCain doesn’t “flip flop” he “back away” while accusing Obama of flip flopping.
And for your information Daryll the bible was never considered a book of laws by the Jews either. They had other books of laws. You evangelicals take it way more seriously than the Jews ever did.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:05 pmJesus said that anyone who divorces his spouse for any reason OTHER than sexual infidelity is committing adultry. This is stated very clearly, and unambiguously.
Sen. McCain got the marriage license for his second marriage while he was still married to his first wife.
Sen. McCain has never apologized for how he treated his first wife, and it was clearly not for sexual infidelity.
Sen. McCain is clearly, and unambiguously, an adulterer according to the words directly from Jesus.
The ultra-radical right-whining “c”hristian wingers will pick & choose the verses of the Bible with which they disagree, and oh-so conveniently ignore this particular verse so they can ignore their candidates obvious adultry.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:06 pmWhat David Brody fails to realize is that anything that contradicts “the Evangelical base” is a good thing.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:07 pmUnreal, sticking up for kids, by letting them be adopted, is anathema to the Old Testamentalists.
These parasites are NOT “Christian Fundamentalists”, they don’t espouse ANY of Christ’s teachings, in action or rhetoric.
But Jesus did have something to say about these moral degenerates and righteous hypocrites, and it more than applies to the current US Taliban which wield enormous political power far out of logical proportion to their actual numbers.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:07 pmJesus wasn’t gay. He would only Mount Olive.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:08 pmOur Lord has also said that it’s ok to bring back women from Iraq and make them our wives. You can dump her later if you don’t like her. Unfortunately, you can’t sell her though.
“When you go out to war against your enemies and the LORD, your God, delivers them into your hand, so that you take captives, if you see a comely woman among the captives and become so enamored of her that you wish to have her as wife, you may take her home to your house. But before she may live there, she must shave her head and pare her nails and lay aside her captive’s garb. After she has mourned her father and mother for a full month, you may have relations with her, and you shall be her husband and she shall be your wife. However, if later on you lose your liking for her, you shall give her her freedom, if she wishes it; but you shall not sell her or enslave her, since she was married to you under compulsion.”
Deuteronomy 21:10-14 NAB
July 15th, 2008 at 4:08 pmIf something was to happen to me I’d rather my daughter was raised by a homosexual than a Republican.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:10 pmOh, why all the hoopla? Just give the ol’ coot a minute and he’ll give the Evangelical base what they want.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:11 pmWas McInsane ever an actor in a Three Stooges Tribute company? That would certainly explain why he’s trying out for the Wackiest Politician in the World award. And he’s Well on the way to winning the award! Either that or he should admit he’s got PTSD and start taking his meds, no matter what the voices in his head say!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:12 pmImpeach Pelosi, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
Once my Dad was gonna kill me with a knife cuz God told him to, but then at the last moment God told him not to, so he killed a lamb instead, so that’s cool.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:12 pmDaryll Says
These are confused kids that will have problems in life as they progress. Marriage and procreation is the key that populates this great country.
Im waiting for the proof? What makes them more confused in life than any normal teenage kid? Because their mommy’s loved eachother more than their best friend’s father who beat his wife for not having a warm dinner for when he came home?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:13 pmBy this logic both your parents must be gay Dumbyll because you’re about as confused as they come.
Marriage doesn’t populate anything dipsh*t. Biology does.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:14 pmRemember Daryll the Bible was written by the same people who said the Earth was flat.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:14 pmDaryll Says:
“Once again, you have not sought God for the spirit of interpretation. The Old Testament is used as a guide for Gentiles, not laws.”
Daryll,
The Bible is the word of God is it not? Where is it written that the Old Testament is to be used one way and not the other. It is not for you to interpret God’s words. They are to be read and believed in AS IS!
And even if I just use it as a ‘guide’, it’s pretty clear that I’m allowed to purchase children slaves. Why would I believe any differently? Just because our modern, amoral society doesn’t understand the TRUTH of the bible and all it stands for, including child slavery? Please read these words of God and reject the modern attitude on slavery. IT IS WRITTEN!!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:14 pmSo, BiggieD – where does Jamie Lynn Spears fit into that “marriage and procreation” key thingie…?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pmI also didnt know that kids who stay in a adoption dorm are better off than a kid moving in with two better off guys in Albany.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pmDaryll Says
July 15th, 2008 at 3:54 pm
Once again, you have not sought God for the spirit of interpretation. The Old Testament is used as a guide for Gentiles, not laws.
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Ah — just when I thought you’d run out of material, you come up with something fresh. The Old Testament is merely a “guide” for the non-Jews? That’s truly a new one.
If that’s the case, perhaps you can explain why this “guide” seems to apply more in some cases than in others. For example, why is the “guideline” about homosexuality something that must be followed while the “guidelines” about shellfish, consuming meat and milk together, wearing clothing of more than one fabric, planting more than one crop in a field, or slavery are to be ignored?
I believe we have asked you this on a number of occasions. Have you developed an answer yet that allows you to remain in character?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pmMissHMolly, you win. A week worth of Daryll’s proselytizing.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pmSt. D, are you praying for a McIIIrd heart attack, so Huckster can be the next Prez?
Shayne Says:
By this logic both your parents must be gay Dumbyll because you’re about as confused as they come.
Marriage doesn’t populate anything dipsh*t. Biology does.
Wait, wait. How do you do that? I mean, according to one of the stupidest trolls, you are Daryll. The evidence is overwhelming.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pmMcCain is a triple threat, PTSD, Mad Cow and Alzheimer’s.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:15 pmParodyll,
You’ve got nothing.
Please, explain to me the sin of homosexuality compared to the sin of divorce, especially where Democrat Soldier points out sin of McSame.
Please, take your time, and I thank you in advance for your well thought out, intelligent answer.
Oh, and give me some faux brown sugar luvin’!!!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:16 pmOh, Shayne, @ 50, you made me snarf Crystal Light on my keyboard!!
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
~ A
July 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pmAnd on what do you base this judgment, Daryll?
Personal experience?
Intimacy with the adoptive parents?
Peer-reviewed clinical research?
Or are you just making rash and unwarranted judgments again?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pmGUMMITCH! Ssssh, that’s supposed to be top secret.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pmtypical. they shouldn’t allow adoptions of any sort. it just strengthens the welfare queens of the nanny state
July 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pmLet me see if I have this straight… McCain believes children should be brought up in a home with a mother and father, and yet, less than 18 months after marrying his first wife, and just shortly after the birth of his first (as far as we know) child, he requested Navy combat duty, knowing it would take him away from his family, and possibly get him killed.
Another great Republican example of “do as I say, not as I do”.
Oh, and one other thing. His handlers need to absolutely make sure his HANDS never get shown on camera. Yuck!
- Zathrus
July 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pmMommy, why can’t you properly procreate? Why, Mommy, Why?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pmDRxJ – you’re a little slow – ol’ Darryl doesn’t like McSin anymore…
Try to keep up, OK?? Geesh.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:18 pmmisshusseinmolly Says: …I believe we have asked you this on a number of occasions. Have you developed an answer yet that allows you to remain in character?
(Daryll, nervously poring over past material, looking for something to copy and paste…)
July 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pmGod, please help me find some passage that helps me convince these heathens that I know my ass from a hole in the ground, in Jeebutz name, Amen.
Daryll Says
July 15th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
These are confused kids that will have problems in life as they progress.
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Hmmm…I wonder why all the people I know who are confused or have “problems” were raised by heterosexuals?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pmDaryll Says:
Once again, you have not sought God for the spirit of interpretation. The Old Testament is used as a guide for Gentiles, not laws.
And there were a lot of witches, whose last dying words at the stake, were “the Old Testament is used as a guide for Gentiles, not laws!”
July 15th, 2008 at 4:19 pmIt is by “The Grace of God” however that Daryll appears to be sperm-free.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pmDaryll says:
How can a homosexual couple explain proper procreation to a child? How can they explain gay sex to children when it’s immoral and abnormal? How will they explain to the child why they can’t properly procreate?
How does a straight couple explain procreation? Why should it be any different from someone who is gay?
You dont think kids see men and woman having sex as immoral and abnormal when they first start questioning? If you think about it, sex is a disgusting act.
And I sure hope that after learning what procreation is, these kids will realize that men do not have wombs and women dont have semen.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pmDaryll brays:
and she will receive the gift of the holy ghost in the evidence of speaking in tongues.
Have you heard her sing? Maybe she’s already…
July 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pmDarryl – Huh?? Jamie Lynn is 16. She has never been married. She had a baby out of wedlock.
Isn’t that fornication? You know, if you’re not married and all?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:20 pmParodyll Says:
How can a homosexual couple explain proper procreation to a child?
By explaining normal biology, you mucking foron! Being gay does not their children!
How can they explain gay sex to children when it’s immoral and abnormal?
Only you would even think about explaining gay sex to children, you mucking foron! How about if we don’t teach children anything about immoral and abnormal homo or hetero sex? Instead, let’s teach them about love!
How will they explain to the child why they can’t properly procreate?
By being open and honest, something you mucking foron knows nothing about!
Now get over here with that faux brown sugar luvnin’!!!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pmApparently living in an abusive household is 10 fold better than living with a gay couple.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pmDemocrat Soldier Says:
Jesus said that anyone who divorces his spouse for any reason OTHER than sexual infidelity is committing adultry. This is stated very clearly, and unambiguously.
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July 15th, 2008 at 4:06 pm
Jesus did say that,…but it’s only important to those who believe that Christ – Jesus – derived his authority from being the Son of God. If one doesn’t believe Christ is the Son of God anything He said is irrelevant.
Further, who is going to believe this scripture, which DS paraphrases, and not believe Matthew 19 where Christ says that the Creator intended that a man and a woman would be “one flesh” in marriage?
The fact that someone doesn’t believe what Christ said about adultery doesn’t change what He said about adultery, nor does it change what He said about marriage.
Is DS simply pointing out that some people don’t believe what they say they believe?
Or, is DS illustrating what “someone who believe nothing” would say?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pmDaryll Says
July 15th, 2008 at 4:17 pm
She is an adulterer who can be saved by grace by repenting, being baptized in the name Jesus, for the remission of sins, and she will receive the gift of the holy ghost in the evidence of speaking in tongues. HALLELUJAH!
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Now THIS is the Daryll we’ve come to know and love. He’s definitely on a roll today.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pmBy the way, well done, misshusseinmoolly! You got Daryll’s arrival within 10 minutes! Congrats.
I’m just glad I got here in time for most of the show.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pmHow will a young man learn to treat his wife if he is raised by a same-same gender couple?
How will a young woman learn how she should be treated if she is raised by a same-same gender couple?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pmDarllyy, if I want to teach my children about moronic religiousity, are you available for seminars?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pmSorry Leftside Annie, let me wipe that up. Daryll, can I borrow your bible?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pmbitblt Says:
How will a young man learn to treat his wife if he is raised by a same-same gender couple?
If he’s Christian, he remembers, “do unto others…”
July 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pmMost people have common sense and human decency. Of course those people are more progressive than anybody you know.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:25 pmbitblt is going to have to offer a little bit more support than this for such a bizarre statement.
Suppose ralph thought Jesus was a prophet but no more the Son of God than any other earthly human? Why would that make anything Jesus said irrelevant?
Ralph thinks bitblt is starting off badly today.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pmCaption Contest:
“Are You my Mommy?”
Impeach Pelosi, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pmbitblt Says:
How will a young man learn to treat his wife if he is raised by a same-same gender couple?
How will a young woman learn how she should be treated if she is raised by a same-same gender couple?
I didnt know the gay couples didnt have respect and love for each other. Thank you for teaching me about things you have never witnessed.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:26 pm#53 Dr. Hussein Matt Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
Remember Daryll the Bible was written by the same people who said the Earth was flat.
It was flat at first, then Moses fixed it…..of was it Job? Perhaps Noah? Maybe Ruth? hmmmm, one them did…really.
LOL that was good Dr. Matt. :) Moses only waved his hand and parted the Red Sea, or so they say. He was only into water activities. It must be one of the other ones.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pmbeezlebubbitblt Says:
July 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pmHow will a young man learn to treat his wife if he is raised by a same-same gender couple?
By knowing to respect his significant other, just like his same gender couple showed him!
How will a young woman learn how she should be treated if she is raised by a same-same gender couple?
By knowing how to be respected, and respectful, just like her same gender couple showed here!
Until your mind gets out of the gutter, and realize homosexuality is not always about “sex”, maybe, just maybe, you’ll realize it’s about LOVE. Forever and ever. Amen.
Daryll Says
July 15th, 2008 at 4:22 pm
…as long as that gay man/lesbian woman converts to heterosexuality, Jesus said everything will be alright. I truly feel the spirit speaking upon me, right now. I must tell you libs what thus saith the Lord.
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You keep saying that you are going to enlighten us with what Jesus says, yet when we ask you to give us a chapter and verse in the bible where it says that Jesus said ANYTHING about homosexuality, you run away.
OK, once again. Tell us where in the bible Jesus says homosexuality is wrong. Tell us where in the bible Jesus says that everything will be OK for a gay person if he/she “converts” to heterosexuality.
Come to think of us, you NEVER use any quotes from the bible to back up your ravings. Do you actually own one? Have you ever read any part of one?
Try this — walk over to your bookshelf, pick up the bible, blow the dust off it, and crack it open. You might find it enlightening.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:28 pmI guess when men were banging each other in Rome, it wasnt natural.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:28 pmEven if one granted your proposal for the sake of argument, that’s not the question, TrickleDick.
McSame implied that gays should not be allowed to adopt. Thus the comparison is not between straight parents and gay parents, but between gay parents and an orphanage. McSame seems to think the orphanage is preferrable.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:29 pmTrippleKick Says:
All things equal, given a choice between being raised by a traditional, straight, married couple is obviously preferable to a child having homosexual caregivers. Its just common sense. No surprise that this is seen as radical by the extremists on the left.
Except the kid only has a 50/50 chance of being with a straight couple, who don’t later divorce. Given those odds, it’s silly to assert every kid should have traditional parents.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pmDaryll, bibbit and triplehick think that heterosexual couples show their children how to procreate. Goes to show what kind of twisted home they were raised in. These guys must be baboons, literally.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pmTrippleKick Says:
All things equal, given a choice between being raised by a traditional, straight, married couple is obviously preferable to a child having homosexual caregivers. Its just common sense. No surprise that this is seen as radical by the extremists on the left.
This has validity only if the straight couple is loving and supportive and what you’ve clearly missed is that gay couples only have children if that particular scenario is impossible. Gay couples are not snatching children out of loving supportive heterosexual families and forcibly adopting them.
Nitwit.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:30 pmIt will be news when he backtrack on something!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:32 pm——————————————————————————–
NO EXCUSE! SEPARATE!
I Corinthians
10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
And the kid ends up being raised by one parent!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:32 pmIt will be news when he DOESN’T backtrack on something!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:32 pmReally Daryll, with McCain’s sordid past of serial adultery and abandonment of his children from his first marriage, how do you justify voting for him over a loyal husband and father like Obama?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pmDaryll Says
10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
First off, This is America… Not Christian, Land of the Hatred.
Secondly, Im jewish. so these words of the Bible mean NOTHING to me. I dont need to talk to God’s little men such as Jesus. I talk to The Big Guy himself.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pmYESSSSS! Daryll’s BACK, people!
It looks like yesterday was just an off-day for our boy.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pmDaryll Says
July 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
11But and if she depart, let her remain unmarried or be reconciled to her husband: and let not the husband put away his wife.
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While I applaud your finally quoting something from the bible, I think you can do better. How about something actually relevant to gay adoption? Or maybe just about adoption? Or gays?
I fail to see what these verses from I Corinthians have to do with a committed gay couple adopting a child they both want. Of course, perhaps your intention was to condemn couples where one or both have been married to another person previously. If that’s your point, then you are condemning John and Cindy McCain’s adoption of their daughter?
Please clarify.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:33 pmDarryl, The old man couldn’t please his wife, so he sought the rabbi’s advice. “Find a strong young guy to wave a towel over your wife’s face while you make love.” The old man came back for more advice after finding that didn’t work. “This time you wave the towel while the strong young man makes love with your wife.”
This new advice worked exceedingly well. “You see that, schmuck,” the old man growled to the young beafcake. “Now THAT’S how you wave a towel!”
July 15th, 2008 at 4:34 pmJeezus, Daryll, do we have to go over this every single time there’s a gay thread that you haunt?
None of the verses you cite are from the Gospels. They’re all Epistles, from either Paul or Jude, neither of whom knew Jesus personally.
And Paul was well-known for being a melodramatic hothead.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:35 pmDaryll Says:
I Corinthians
10And unto the married I command, yet not I, but the Lord, Let not the wife depart from her husband:
Great quote Daryll! It shows that the Bible is clear on this subject – A wife may not leave her husband. It doesn’t say anything about being beaten or abused. It simply says “Let not the wife depart from her husband”. Again, our modern, immoral society intends to give women and slaves rights that the Bible clearly says they do not have. We need to reject this modern thinking and embrace our Bible.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:35 pmUh oh, it appears I got Daryll’s undies in a bundle. I get to give myself a gold star now.
Oh Daryll, have I told you lately where you can shove that bible of your’s?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:36 pmSeriously Daryll, are you able to honestly tell us your age and marital status. I think you have to be a lonely, 30-something guy who still lives in his mom’s basement.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pmWrong, that child needs male leadership, not butch Annie.
Biblical citations?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pmThen it would follow that, in the case of divorce, Daryll would support the children remaining with the father?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pmGreat ralph, you said hothead, now Daryll will have to go tap his foot in the mens room stall.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pmDaryll,
July 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pmIf you were sterile,
Would you let a woman touch your barrel?
Hussein Obama is not a patriot. Why didn’t he serve our country.
And you?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:38 pmWhat part of the bible says that its the constitution on the United States?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:40 pmSo, Daryll, what does it take to be a “muslim extremist” for you?
Is it just a matter of a name? Obviously one need not worship Allah or attend a mosque, so I’m curious — is it just that someone “sounds foreign” or do you have to be told by Faux News that one is a muslim extremist?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:40 pmI see. So you don’t believe Obama is a Christian but we’re supposed to believe you are. We’ve seen him with his wife and children and he is a warm compassionate man. You on the other hand are a selfish, ignorant pr*ck. Who would Jesus favor?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:40 pmGod spoke to me yesterday and told me that Butt sex is a-okay!
He even winked while doing it.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:41 pmOkay, Parodyll is back to being a parody. An idiotic parody, but a parody none the less.
Anyone who chastises Obama for not serving, but fellates Bush (another non server) whenever he gets the chance, has got to be parodying.
But, just to be clear, and as a Christian who is constantly learning, please Parodyll or beelzebubbitblt, inform me of where exactly Jesus condemns homosexuality.
I think you in advance for your well thought out, intelligent response.
Oh, and what about that promised faux brown sugar luvin’?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:42 pmIran-Contra? anyone?….. anyone?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:42 pmAnd Daryll, why didn’t you serve in the military. Sitting behind a desk and collecting a fat check from a weapons contractor doesn’t make you a patriot, it makes you a PIG.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:42 pmSo when you say, “Jesus said” like you did yesterday, that’s more of a gray area, right?
I mean, Jesus didn’t actually have to “say” anything in order for you to claim that he said it — is that the way it goes?
I’m curious — did Paul ever claim that Jesus said anything about gay marriage? Did Paul ever say “Jesus saith” in his epistles? Or are you making up this as well?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:43 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
None of the verses you cite are from the Gospels. They’re all Epistles, from either Paul or Jude, neither of whom knew Jesus personally.
It’s the same list he cut and pasted yesterday, while asserting that Paul was reliable because of all his experience “observing” Jesus — who he never met. Paul (or at least someone writing as Paul) had some very unpleasant things to say about women, as well, which never show up in the Gospels.
Shallow-thinking bigots like Daryll are constantly putting their own words in Jesus’s mouth.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:43 pmwhat? Im in all support of gay people and their rights as Americans.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:43 pmDaryll, sitting next to an idiot like you in heaven would feel like hell. But it’s pretty safe to say that if there is a heaven you’ll never get there.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:44 pmDaryll
My spiritual mission is to save souls and cast out demons. My mission was given by Jesus, 2000 years ago. My amour is the bible, which is my sword and shield. I’ve been at war with the devil since age 11.
Thats reaaaallly funny. Is that why Christianity has started so many holy wars?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:45 pmParodyll says:
My amour is the bible, which is my sword and shield.
Gotta love Freudian slips, eh???
tap tap tap, goes Parodyll’s foot!
July 15th, 2008 at 4:46 pmGuess what Dumbyll, the devil already won.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:46 pmAt the risk of getting this thread back on topic (although I admit we ARE having entirely too much fun with Daryll and the other trolls), I’d like to comment on McCain’s supposed position on this matter.
His first comment certainly suggested that he felt all children should be adopted in a scenario reminiscent of the end of any given Shirley Temple movie.
The “clarification” issued by one of his mouthpieces (”he recognizes that there are many abandoned children who have yet to find homes. McCain believes that in those situations that caring parental figures are better for the child than the alternative”), is better in that it allows for the possibility of any loving parent to adopt, but is still worded ambiguously enough that the rabid right will have a hard time attacking him over it.
What does he really believe? Depends on which way the wind is blowing. Oh, for the old maverick McCain of a decade ago, who would have taken the position in favor of adoption into any loving families for children who didn’t have them. But he’s gone.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:46 pmDaryll Says: Nope, never served.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:47 pmDaryll Says:
“My spiritual mission is to save souls and cast out demons. My mission was given by Jesus, 2000 years ago. My amour is the bible, which is my sword and shield. I’ve been at war with the devil since age 11.”
Translation – I’m a lonely man living with my mom. I’ve never had relations with women so, like St. Paul, I have some weird ideas about sex and am very jealous of those that have a healthy sex life. And no, I have never fought in a war, but I believe others should if they want to be patriots.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:50 pmDaryll, I addressed this subject yesterday — must have been after you left.
But here’s what i was thinking:
You say you’re here to save souls and cast out demons.
It should be clear to you by now that whatever you’re doing isn’t working. Maybe it’s time to try a new approach. This lame-ass proselytizing and inapplicable scripture-quoting really isn’t reaching any of us, and I doubt if it’s gonna do so in the future.
So your choice is one of two tactics:
1) keep trying the same old ineffective techniques, and blame us or the Holy Spirit when they don’t work.
or
2) try an approach that will engage people who hang out here, try to meet them where they live, see things from their perspective and maybe introduce your message once some trust or rapport has been established.
Just a thought. I gotta say, though, if you choose 1) it looks to me like you’re not here to save souls at all — just to get your rocks off telling others where they’re going wrong. Just beware of the beam in your own eye, D.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:52 pmbarfly Says:
Daryll Says: Nope, never served.
Daryll has told us many times that he’s too busy making big bucks in the defense industry to actually serve in uniform (except maybe at the local Denny’s). Somehow, in Daryll’s twisted “mind” it is more honorable to be a war profiteer than to serve the country in the US Senate.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:52 pmMHM:
What does he really believe? Depends on which way the wind is blowing. Oh, for the old maverick McCain of a decade ago, who would have taken the position in favor of adoption into any loving families for children who didn’t have them. But he’s gone.
The fact that he sent this statement to a leading writer in the gay community, is a political calculation. He’s betting an unequivocal public statement would be too damaging with the shaky evangelical base, but he has to move to the center, or risk losing centrists.
At some point, Obama and McCain are going to collide – in the political center.
It’s not going to be pretty.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:54 pmDaryll Says:
Jesus spoke to Paul. Paul wrote the biblical books. Therefore, follow the laws or prepare for a fire that is ten times hotter then lava. Are you rature ready?
*Hallelujah chorus reverberating through my ears*
July 15th, 2008 at 4:54 pmDaryll quacks
My amour is the bible…
Your ‘love’ is the bible?
Pages stick together much?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:56 pmJohnny is not flip- flopping.
Just a little alzheimers. He can’t remember what he said five minutes ago.
Don’t make him mad by calling him out on this. Best way to soothe him is to keep his depends in the refrig.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:59 pmgummitch Says:
Somehow, in Daryll’s twisted “mind” it is more honorable to be a war profiteer than to serve the country in the US Senate.
Daryll’s a soap-box preacher, who doesn’t have enough strength of conviction to actually do it in the real world.
We’re his virtual, wayward flock.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:59 pmDr. H. Matt, you may have it there. Brings us back for more and more every time it shows up making love to it’s bible.
BTW, have you considered changing your first name to Haz?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:59 pmDArlyy blathers:
It is used for reconnaisance against satan, to scope out his works. He’s slick.
That’s not how my crazy grandpa used it, more like anytime he thought we were wise cracking, we’d get a thump upside the head with good ol’ King Jimmy.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:01 pmDaryll Says
July 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
I refuse to vote for muslim extremist and those who support it. There is a reason why terrorist organizations want him to win. Hussein Obama is not a patriot. Why didn’t he serve our country.
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BARACK Obama (if you are going to refer to Obama as “Hussein” Obama, then I think you should also refer to the presumptive GOP nominee as “Sidney” McCain) was never drafted. He turned 18 on August 4, 1979. We had no draft then, nor was a war going on. There was no reason he had to go sign up.
Obama served in other ways. After he graduated from college (which he got through on student loans and working his butt off), he worked three years as a community organizer — even though as an Ivy League graduate, he could have gotten a far more lucrative job in private industry. This is probably comparable to a similarly paid job in the military for the same amount of time during peacetime.
And I won’t even go into the “Muslim extremist” meme. That’s already been debunked six ways to Sunday.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:02 pmDRxJ Says:
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How will a young woman learn how she should be treated if she is raised by a same-same gender couple?
By knowing how to be respected, and respectful, just like her same gender couple showed here!
Until your mind gets out of the gutter, and realize homosexuality is not always about “sex”, maybe, just maybe, you’ll realize it’s about LOVE. Forever and ever. Amen.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:27 pm
A derived stat – you decide if it has anything to do with love – it’s about LOVE.
It is reported that 3,000 same-same gender couple have married in Mass since that state started issuing marriage licenses. bit believes that’s since 2003 or 2004.
That’s a total of 6,000 people out of a population of 6,437,193 (CIA Factbook) or about 0.00093- 0.09% – of the population of the state. Assuming that 3% of the population is homosexual then about 1 out of every 33 homosexuals has decided to marry. ( For those of you who are sticking with 10% of the population is homosexual then that’s 1 out of 107 homosexuals has decided to marry.)
No bit does not know why so few same-same gender couples have applied for licenses in MA, but he has an opinion, and if you keep reading you’re going read it.
Marriage is not important to almost all homosexuals. It’s a non-issue.
Same-same gender couples adopting children is also a non-issue. Adopting children is not important to almost all homosexuals.
It bit is wrong, then just have many same-same gender couples – married or otherwise – are interested in adopting children?
It’s a non-issue. Simply a tool to use to pummel the Bible believers.
So, is homosexuality about LOVE, or is it about perverted sex?
July 15th, 2008 at 5:04 pmlawr1999 Says:
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No he didn’t, Jesus died decades before Paul was converted.
It’s obvious that when you confuse Paul the author of the gospels with Paul of the twelve disciples, that you are not the bible reading Christian you pretend to be.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
The author of the book of Acts obviously believed that Paul was credible witness to Christ Jesus.
In the latter part of the book of Acts, which is believed to have been written by the Apostle Luke, Paul is quoted as quoting Jesus. The words of Jesus related by Paul will be in red in red letter editions.
Paul’s conversion was miraculous. Paul’s voice became so powerful because he was converted persecutor of Christians.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:13 pmit’s interesting
that daryll and
triplekick have different
opinions on this subject
because they’re married.
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i’ll be curious to see
who gets the final word.
guys?
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July 15th, 2008 at 5:19 pmDer Wetterhahn [The Weather Cock]
Wie hat sich sonst so schön der Hahn
Auf unserm Turm gedreht
Und damit jedem kundgetan
Woher der Wind geweht.
Doch seit dem letzten Sturme hat
Er keinen rechten Lauf;
Er hängt so schief, er ist so matt,
Und keiner schaut mehr drauf.
Jetzt leckt man an den Finger halt
Und hält ihn hoch geschwind.
Die Seite, wo der Finger kalt,
Von daher weht der Wind.
vom Wilhelm Busch
July 15th, 2008 at 5:21 pmHonestly, is there an issue that McCain hasn’t flipped on? Seriously.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:22 pmbelzeebubbit says:
It’s a non-issue. Simply a tool to use to pummel the Bible believers.
Ummm, I am a Bible believer. I am a proud Christian. You and Parodyll do not make me proud. Your affinity to denigrate those you disagree with is clearly against what Jesus taught.
You drive away more people than you bring to “your” belief.
So, is homosexuality about LOVE, or is it about perverted sex?
Who says homosexual sex is perverted, besides you and Parodyll. Sex is a wonderful by product of LOVE, but not a requirement. Only you equate homosexuals with sex. Get over yourself, or get out of the damn closet! And maybe, just maybe, if the wife is willing, I may have me some perverted heterosexual sex tonight!!! (Use your imagination. Better yet, don’t!)
I am so tired of you bible thumpers chastising homosexuals as sinful, when the majority of YOU have had premarital sex, surf for porn on the internet, and have extra marital affairs, or at least wish you could!
July 15th, 2008 at 5:25 pmI’d rather chastise the ones who lied us into a confrontation that left thousands of our children without dads or moms! And hundreds of thousands Iraqis innocently murdered. This are our real SINNERS!
Until you realize that, STFU! Seriously!
DRxJ Says:
belzeebubbit says:
It’s a non-issue. Simply a tool to use to pummel the Bible believers.
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Ummm, I am a Bible believer.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
You believe in the divinity of Christ?
You believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God?
I’m sorry. I would have never known.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:36 pmbitblt Says:
lawr1999 Says:
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No he didn’t, Jesus died decades before Paul was converted.
It’s obvious that when you confuse Paul the author of the gospels with Paul of the twelve disciples, that you are not the bible reading Christian you pretend to be.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:02 pm
bit doesn’t believe that any Christian, or lawr199, wants to give up the Apostle Paul. Of course the meaning of what Paul says will be different to one who believes the Bible is the inspired word of God than it will to one who doesn’t believe anything about the Bible. Nonetheless, the Apostle Paul’s work was and is very important.
Most of what is known about grace – unmerited favor of God given through the crucifixion and resurrection of Christ – comes from the writings of the Apostle Paul. Much of this is centered in the book of Romans.
What Paul says is very important to Christians and to individuals. Perhaps Paul makes such a strong case for grace because he was such a needy recipient. Before his conversion Paul persecuted Christians.
Paul wrote some of the most beautiful words – ever. See I Corinthians 13 for an example.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:36 pmbeelzebuttbit says:
You believe in the divinity of Christ?
You believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God?
I’m sorry. I would have never known.
That’s because you automatically assumed I was a heathen, a godless liberal label created by the likes of mAnn Coulter.
But be aware. There are many of us Christian-left, who want our country back. And we’re voting! In record numbers. Who see beyond the wizard’s facade of gay bashing. Get ready!
Oh, and I do accept your apology!
July 15th, 2008 at 5:43 pmCall a bigot a bigot and quit pandering to him.
July 15th, 2008 at 5:44 pmIt’s time the majority of Americans stood up to these folks.
They’re welcome to their religious beliefs, but we have a secular government.
DRxJ Says:
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Oh, and I do accept your apology!
beelzebuttbit says:
July 15th, 2008 at 5:43 pm
It wasn’t an apology. It was bewilderment!.
You believe in the divinity of Christ?
You believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God?
DRxJ Says:
beelzebuttbit says:
You believe in the divinity of Christ?
You believe that the Bible is the inspired Word of God?
These are questions with the “?”, but please don’t take offense to these questions.
bit is aware that there are people these days calling themselves Christians, and they neither believe in the divinity of Christ nor the inspiration of the Bible.
Do you?
July 15th, 2008 at 5:47 pmbitbaconlettucetomato,
I believe that electrons are vibrating in space and we are the result.
Does that count?
July 15th, 2008 at 5:54 pmRalph doesn’t believe any Christian, or even bitblt, is truly willing to say that there are only two possibilities in one’s approach to the Bible — bitblt’s way and heathenism.
Ralph, for instance, recognizes the Bible as a temporal and historical record, a cultural mythological tract and the inspired Word of God as spoken through a specific nomadic tribal culture.
Ralph does not dismiss the truths in the Bible, but it’s safe to say that Ralph views the Bible differently than bitblt.
Judging by bitblt’s comment above, this means that, according to bit, Ralph “doesn’t believe anything about the Bible”.
Bitblt displays the classic, almost Manichaean dualistic absolutism that typifies much contemporary right-wing thought.
Ralph rejects the dualistic absolutism that bit seems to rely on to makes its points.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:08 pmAs Ralph reads the Epistle of Bitblt, it counts as evidence that RUC is a heathen of the highest order.
Is Ralph right about that, bit?
July 15th, 2008 at 6:10 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
It should be clear to you by now that whatever you’re doing isn’t working. Maybe it’s time to try a new approach.
New survey shows that homosexuality has increased worldwide due to Daryll’s efforts. Even the trees are turning gay!
July 15th, 2008 at 6:13 pmDaryll says: “My amour is the bible,”
I KNEW IT!! Earlier Daryll told us how he so loveth the Lord, that he would stick the pages of the Bible together with his love. And again he admits to shaking the devil while reading the Bible.
What is it Daryll? Is it the pretty pictures of the sweet and young cherubs? Do you close your eyes and imagine what’s under that robe of many colors?
LORD! I plead that you cast out the twisted PERVERTED DEVIL that is causing Brother Daryll to soil himself and the Bible. Tis better to spill your seed in the belly of Aunt Doris than to stick the pages of the Bible together.
That’s just wrong Daryll, just wrong.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:15 pmHello Dr. H. Matt,
July 15th, 2008 at 6:20 pmwhy on earth do you think a majority of Americans support gay marriage? It continues to be soundly rejected by voters every time it comes up.
Probably because narrow-minded pinheads like you and the fanatic religious zealots keep fanning the flames of hatred and bigotry, gunnie.
And of course, there’s always stupidity.
July 15th, 2008 at 6:30 pmRemember Daryll, you have until Sunday and that’s it. God promised me he would burn your church and shoot any survivors that escape, so get your hating done early and often this week.
So many of the people I respect and admire here are true Christians, not the pious, sanctimonious Faux Christian pricks like Daryll and bitethebullet. I would gladly wipe my ass with Daryll’s Bible, or light a fire with bitethebullet’s Bible. They have twisted Jesus’ message into something evil and hateful and don’t deserve to be called Christians.
We need a name for these pious pricks. How about Haters for Jesus?
July 15th, 2008 at 6:32 pmNAN ~ The best I could come up with is:
ButtBleeders For X.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:14 pmThat would work RUCerious. Sorry to steal your post of Daryll’s “amour” and sticking the pages together. I read his coment and raced to the bottom laughing my ass off. Only when I went back I saw you had made the same observation. I don’t know how you keep a positive attitude, you slam the pukes with grace and wit. I want to bash them upside the head at times.
July 15th, 2008 at 7:46 pmHey, when was the last time bitblt showed up on a thread that Daryll wasn’t already getting pummeled on?
Anybody remember?
July 15th, 2008 at 8:04 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Hey, when was the last time bitblt showed up on a thread that Daryll wasn’t already getting pummeled on?
Anybody remember?
I am new-ish here, but I always thought they were the same person. LOL. (That is, one troll with two accounts.) Can we bribe someone on TP staff to compare the IP addresses? :-D
July 15th, 2008 at 8:56 pm.
R E M E M B E R:
This McFlip is being brought to you by the producers of the Larry “I.AM.NOT.GAY.I.NEVER.HAVE.BEEN.GAY.” Craig, who plead guilty to trolling for mansex in a public restroom.
I’ll reserve calling out a McBigot until I see how the EVILgelicals have their way with his McFlop to follow.
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July 16th, 2008 at 1:10 amlawr1999 Says:
Daryll:
Why do fundamentalist Christians have a much higher divorce rate than the general population?
July 14th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
Since you didn’t cite a source for this assertion bit found one for you.
The reference is included in the study summary at
http://www.citizenlink.org/FOSI/marriage/divorce/A000000901.cfm
The last highlighted sentence agrees with the assertion you made.
Believe the contrast here is affiliation versus commitment. “Nominal evangelicals” would be evangelicals in name only.
July 16th, 2008 at 4:19 pm#71 – bitblt Says:
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“Jesus did say that,…but it’s only important to those who believe that Christ – Jesus – derived his authority from being the Son of God. If one doesn’t believe Christ is the Son of God anything He said is irrelevant.”
So, Bitbit is saying that Sen. McCain is not a Christian???
“The fact that someone doesn’t believe what Christ said about adultery doesn’t change what He said about adultery, nor does it change what He said about marriage.”
July 15th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I will agree with you there. Just because Jesus said one thing that nobody in the US has ever stood up for doesn’t mean they use other things he said to support their prejudices. It only makes them hypocrites.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:27 am#76 – bitblt Says:
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How will a young man learn to treat his wife if he is raised by a same-same gender couple?
How will a young woman learn how she should be treated if she is raised by a same-same gender couple?
July 15th, 2008 at 4:23 pm
How will a gay man learn to treat his partner if he is raised by an opposite sex couple?
How will a young gay woman be treated if she is raised by an opposite-opposite gender couple?
Oh, wait! Common decency and respect for others is NOT limited to opposite sex couples! I know MANY people who were raised in a single-parent household, and THEY learned the proper way to treat their significant other.
Looks like this particular straw-man argument isn’t holding up under scrutiny, Bitbit. Try again.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:31 am#118 – Daryll Says:
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Hussein Obama is not a patriot. Why didn’t he serve our country.
July 15th, 2008 at 4:37 pm
For the same reson that YOU refused to serve our country, he found antoher way to serve our country: by serving in the government and for proving that his Christian upbringing can also be liberal and correct for America.
The only difference is that Sen. Obama opened his eyes and refused to drink the fascist kool-aide. You didn’t seem to get to either of those two stages.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:35 amInteresting that the marriage rate in Canada hasn’t been negatively impacted by gay marriage. in fact, it’s on the rise for both straights and gays.
The facts of same-sex couples wanting to marry is inconveniant to every straw-man argument that the ultra-radical right-whining “c”hristians make up in an effort to deny equal rights to everyone.
July 17th, 2008 at 7:38 am