Then Obama needs to explain why he’s friends with a domestic terrorist.

His defense that it was a long time ago can’t work now, because we’re willing to go back a long time to attack people. Not what they said this decade, or last decade, but before that…

So, Obama is friends with a guy who set off bombs to kill civilians, and is sorry today … that he didn’t use bigger bombs.

If ancient history comes back into the picture, then Obama and Ayres and their history have to come back too, don’t they?

Somebody said these jokes and comments prove John McCain is “too mean” to be President (or CIC). Yesterday, talking about Iraq and Afghanistan, John McCain said he should be President (or CIC) beacuse “I know how to win wars.”
Based on his demonstrated experience in Viet Nam, all he remembers is the name “Mean Joe Greene.”

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This McCain voter visits lots of liberal sites to get the other point of view. What I find distressing is how much credence is given to unsubstantiated rumor. This joke is “allegedly;” the “c-nt” story is completely without proof, yet it is played with glee. I find this practice of hate politics as disgusting as the Obama is a Muslim rumor. While I don’t agree with Obama on many issues, I don’t have a need to hate him. Why do so many of you have a need to hate?

Forget the rape joke. Forget the comment to Cindy. Assume they are false allegations.

ABC and other news outlets devoted much attention to a joke comedian Bernie Mac told at an Obama fundraiser that used the word “Ho.” ABC said it would hurt Obama with Hillary supporters. Check out “Political Punch” at ABC for 7/13/08.

Here is a joke John McCain did say with his own mouth at a Republican fundraiser in June, 1998. “Why is Chelsea Clinton so ugly? Because her father was Janet Reno.” He not only acknowledged saying it, he apologized to President Clinton in writing. That is a good ten years after bad press on the “alleged” rape joke. Character? Failure to learn from past mistakes?

And FYI. Although there are no bad words in the McCain joke, and it shared several topics as the ABC Bernie Mac story; tastesless sexist jokes, Presidential campaigns and candidates, and Hillary Clinton, when I tried to comment on their article with this joke it was deleted. Repeatedly.
I’m not a woman so I am not used to the double standard.
That was a joke.

I was being sarcastic.

I see no double standard. McCain’s joke, whether funny or not, or truly uttered, or whatever, should not come out of the mouth of a sitting US Senator in front of a national organization–PERIOD. We can put aside the insensitivity and misogyny and still conclude that even in the unenlightened 1980s (sarcasm again, you know), a US Senator (ANY US Senator) should show better judgement. Fast-forward a quarter-century, and a simple “I don’t know if I said that or not, but if I did, I certainly find it unacceptable now.” might serve to defuse.

That, however, is more than I expect.

Settle down. It will do no good. About 9 in every 10 libs here are brainwashed and nothing you say will be heard with an open mind. They accuse the repubs of many things and many are true but they are things which occur on both sides of the political spectrum and with equal frequency. They have an agenda just like Fox has an agenda.

Now, they are very predictable. A slew of messages would have come (had I not predicted it here) calling me “one of the dumbest trolls” to ever come to this site, yada, yada, yada…………..

The real difference, however, between Fox and TP, is the level of hatred and vitriole.

Franken and Tom Davis played the bag handlers that set the scene up.

SO SEE!!! Al Franken makes GORILLA rape jokes, TOO!!!!

(Okay, Timothy Harris and Herschel Weingood wrote it–BUT FRANKEN IMPLICITLY OKAYED IT!!! What kind of a US Senator would do such a thing?!?)

Okay, so McCain was a lawmaker at the time, and in a very public forum. And Franken was a comedian spitballing with other SNL writers…

BUT AL FRANKEN MAKES RAPE JOKES TOO!!! YOU GUYS!

I used to think it was funnier than I do now, but I would still laugh at it if I heard it again. Like the Obama New Yorker cover, the outrage about this joke is mis-focused, on the wrong point.

The focus of the gorilla joke isn’t the trauma inflicted on the woman, but her reaction to it. And if we can’t suspend disbelief about a fictional woman being beaten senseless, and still waking up to a stereotypical-yet-unexpected reaction to a fictional beating this fictional woman took, then we might as well not tell jokes at all. They ALL offend SOMEBODY.

Oh, well.

“He never calls, he never writes…“

We could make the doctor gay…

Here is a link to a video in which a Baptist preacher asks McCain at a town hall meeting wether he ever called his wife a c**t.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/05/01/mccain-asked-did-you-call_n_99744.html

McCain never denies the charge; instead refuses to answer, stating that “the crowd” doesn’t want to hear that kind f language. He could simply have said, “No, and I find that kind of language offensive when used in any situation” or something to that effect, but he didn’t. Instead he hid behind his projection of the audience’s sensibilities and refused to answer to question. If the story is a lie, McCain should sue the author of the bio in which it appears for libel, but he’s made no moves to do so. I’d say his refusal to engage this issue at all suggests what the truth about the story is.

And how would you know that – first-hand experience or something you read in Penthouse? Do you know any of these people who enjoy being raped?

“Many have rape fantasies…Obviously, in real life, this wouldn’t actually be rape; it would be completely consensual pretend rape. But some people like it”

Oh, I see, they really don’ like being “raped.” just pretending to be raped. And that has what to do with McCain’s joke? I didn’t catch the part about the rape in that joke being “pretend,” just the part about the woman enjoying it. You are one sick puppy, son…ever had a date with a REAL woman? You might be shocked to find out what they *don’t* enjoy…

First off, I don’t hate McCain — I really don’t hate anyone. That isn’t what this is about.

What I see in McCain is a pattern of a lack of concern and respect for women, and you can bet this influences my vote.

When it comes to the “c*nt” story and this rape joke anecdote, I agree that there is no proof of either one — that is, if you consider “proof” to be “captured on videotape”. However, there were witnesses to both incidents, and in a court of law, that would be considered direct evidence. Whether you choose to believe it is up to you, and if there was a single instance of a tasteless comment alongside a stellar record of supporting women, it could be easily discounted. But when you hear about McCain joking about rape, ditching his first wife to marry a prettier one, and then calling his new wife names most women would never put up with, it’s no longer a single instance — it’s a pattern of disrespect.

You compare this to the rumor that Obama is a Muslim. I beg to differ. The “Obama is a Muslim” meme has been thoroughly debunked, while these have not. Just saying “there is no proof” is not the same as debunking.

All that said, I just want to say that these stories, while eyebrow-raising, don’t paint McCain as badly as his actual Senate record. Once he failed to support the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, he completely lost me — there was no way I would EVER support a man who spoke against the Act, saying that we should give women “education and training”, when the issue was about equal pay for identical work. And then when he said that the Act would open the door to unnecessary lawsuits, this told me that treating women as anything other than second-class citizens was just not a priority for him.

No, I don’t hate McCain. But I don’t see that he’s any friend to women. I welcome him to prove me wrong, but I’m not holding my breath.

Stop calling it ‘hate’ when we point out the truth. Tolerance of intolerance is not hate, but simply good sense.

Also, stop projecting your rage on us. After all, we aren’t the ones foaming at the mouth to condemning gay marriage or equal rights for women.

I think the more important question is how can you, in good conscience, support a man like McCain who has little regard for women? And there is evidence of this beyond his chronicled joke and comments to his wife. How about the way he treated the first Mrs. McCain? Hmmm?