This is, at least, poorly constructed. Since torture is illegal, PERIOD, getting LEGAL APPROVAL is IMPOSSIBLE. No law of the USA, before or after PATRIOT LAW says that it’s legal to torture. Check the letter of the law.

Hey Paul please do you think that Bush was the first president who spied on his own people, check your history bud!

And this somehow makes it OK?

When it was discovered that intelligence abuses had occurred (the Church Committee), the original FISA law was written to prevent future abuses. Bush completely ignored this law and spied on Americans anyway. That is the history.

http://progressiveworldreview.com

Given that the NSA wiretapping program was initiated by Bush about three months BEFORE the 9-11 attacks, how did it keep the victims of those attacks “alive”?

It didn’t, did it?

So as the purpose of the wiretapping was to keep us diseased liberals alive, for it to have succeed the roughly 3,000 who died must have all been conservatives and Republicans.
Frankly I find that a bit weird…I mean why would Bush save liberals but let conservatives and Republicans die such horrible deaths?

You might want to reconsider your political allegiances, clearvoice.

You might also want to, in the infamous words of a staunch placard-bearing Bush supporter ( which might well be you now I come to think of it ), “Get a Brain, Morans!”

Or you could just STFU.

These sources totally ignore the geo-politics of the time.

Much of the Arab, and that is to say the Muslim, world was under colonial control, especially British control and especially in the Middle East.
As Germany was challenging Britain at the time and making an impressive show of it, politically ambitious Arabs/Muslims courted Hitler with a view to getting rid of British rule and for Palestine in particular, preventing the creation of Israel in Palestinian lands by the Zionist movement which had some powerful representation in the British administration.

If the Muslims and the Nazis were so damned close why didn’t the Moroccans or the Algerians rise up fight the British when the North African campaign was established in 1942? Why didn’t the Nazis supply them to do so? After-all, Germany was winning and the Vichy were in technically in control of France’s colonies. Libya was controlled by the Mussolinis fascist forces. Britain made no progress in North Africa for a year. Yet NONE of the Arab/Mulsim nations fought, or were invited to fight, with the Germans—despite their supposedly deep-seated ideological commonalities. Why? Because the Germans didn’t want them to and the Arabs/Muslims had the sense let their supposedly ideological brethren do the work that might serve their political—NOT ideological—ambitions.

These screeds that truther provides are highly selective ideologically motivated efforts to promote the idea that Islam is the same as Nazism, that Muslims are inherently Nazis and that the Muslim religion and its members present the same global threat to western (and therefore Christian) interests as did the Nazis and the fascists.
With all the oil money Muslim nations have acquired by now they should be building-up large militaries to take on the West—especially as the US and NATO are stretched so thin.
Why aren’t the Muslims, these “Islamofascists” seizing this golden opportunity to establish a global Caliphate by force of arms to impress their fundamental ideology on the rest of the world? Because “the Muslims” aren’t interested in doing that. Only handful of psychos (found in every group of humans) dream such dreams and try to act upon them. And in poetic symmetry, only psychotics supposedly on the opposite side of the ideological spectrum convince themselves of that same dream.

It’s the ignorant, “lizard-brained” extremists who see the world in absolute and diametrically opposite terms that actually share a common ideology and it is their willful ignorance of that simple fact and their desire to act upon their extreme beliefs by whatever means that maintains a closed-loop of self fulfilling justification for their never ending violent tendencies and ambitions.

Um…you DO realize that this waterboarding occurred almost two years BEFORE Nick Berg was beheaded, don’t you? The “we’ve looked into our crystal ball and have seen that in a couple of years some other middle eastern guys are going to behead somebody — therefore we are completely justified in what we’re doing now” rationale just doesn’t hold up. Try something else.

Wayne A. Schneider Says:

So, hussein toasterhead,

By the trolls’ “logic”, The Nazis were supporting the Muslim extremists, and Bush’s family was supporting the Nazis, so Bush’s family has been supporting the Muslim extremists for more than sixty years now. I get it.

That must be why they institute policies that help to further the goals of the Muslim Extremists(tm) by creating so many recruiting opportunities and by looking the other way back in 2001.

Face it, trolls, the Bush Admin and Al Queada are working towards the same goal: permanent war for perpetual profit.

And the cowardly trolls are too scared to not believe the lies.

By the trolls’ “logic”, The Nazis were supporting the Muslim extremists, and Bush’s family was supporting the Nazis, so Bush’s family has been supporting the Muslim extremists for more than sixty years now. I get it.

MC and Bozo: Perhaps you should try reading up on the Nazi and Muslim connection. You can start here: http://www.themiddleeastnow.com/musnazi.html
July 18th, 2008 at 7:53 am
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So? That’s nothing compared to the Nazi/Bush connection:

How Bush’s grandfather helped Hitler’s rise to power

Rumours of a link between the US first family and the Nazi war machine have circulated for decades. Now the Guardian can reveal how repercussions of events that culminated in action under the Trading with the Enemy Act are still being felt by today’s president.

George Bush’s grandfather, the late US senator Prescott Bush, was a director and shareholder of companies that profited from their involvement with the financial backers of Nazi Germany.

The Guardian has obtained confirmation from newly discovered files in the US National Archives that a firm of which Prescott Bush was a director was involved with the financial architects of Nazism.

His business dealings, which continued until his company’s assets were seized in 1942 under the Trading with the Enemy Act, has led more than 60 years later to a civil action for damages being brought in Germany against the Bush family by two former slave labourers at Auschwitz and to a hum of pre-election controversy.

The evidence has also prompted one former US Nazi war crimes prosecutor to argue that the late senator’s action should have been grounds for prosecution for giving aid and comfort to the enemy.

The debate over Prescott Bush’s behaviour has been bubbling under the surface for some time. There has been a steady internet chatter about the “Bush/Nazi” connection, much of it inaccurate and unfair. But the new documents, many of which were only declassified last year, show that even after America had entered the war and when there was already significant information about the Nazis’ plans and policies, he worked for and profited from companies closely involved with the very German businesses that financed Hitler’s rise to power. It has also been suggested that the money he made from these dealings helped to establish the Bush family fortune and set up its political dynasty.

July 18th, 2008 at 8:13 am

They are simply following the “lead” provided by this garbage president and administration , who truly believe they themselves to be “real Americans” and “real patriots” , and that the ends justifies their means ; that whatever they do , be it torture or arbitrary killing of others , is not only justifiable , but truly necessary and warranted , because they’re “good” and they are fighting “evil”.

I have never seen or heard of a more warped or insane group perception ………

The trolls live in a word where violence justifies mroe violence. (One might even suspect they would be happy with the idea of “An eye for an eye”, also known as the Code of Hammurabi.) At any rate, they do not view all humans equally, deciding that some humans are “better” than others, and that the “better” ones are justified in vanquishing the “lesser” ones. They are by no means examples of Humanity’s finest (but who among us is?) Still, I prefer to think that enlightened people no longer think so primitively.

July 18th, 2008 at 7:53 am

Another reputable and incorruptible link/source , provided by one of our resident trolls ; what , no link to the National Enquirer on-line ?

What the hell does any “Muslim connection” have to do with this thread ?

The link you gave makes a very important distinction which you and your like-minded ilk are ignoring:

“The Nazis and the Muslim extremists (not all Muslim people by any means) have very common ideologies and common enemies.” (emphasis in original)

The Nazis were looking to get the support of the extremists. It is FALSE to suggest that all Muslims wanted to eradicate the Jews. You should stop lumping all Muslims in with the extremists. You wouldn’t claim that all Christians are just like the KKK, would you? Same kind of thinking.

Only this crappy president and equally garbage administration , would ever think of using human beings as potential guinea pigs ; any question that Chimpy’s grandfather indeed was influenced by the Nazis as well as doing business with them ?

How can we “forget” something that is historically untrue? Apparently, tardboy missed the unit on the Holocaust that day in home skool.