McCain surrogate: ‘The Muslims’ are ‘going to kill us.’
McCain surrogate: ‘The Muslims’ are ‘going to kill us.’
During a phone call with Florida reporters today that was arranged by the McCain campaign, McCain surrogate Col. Bud Day defended the war in Iraq by arguing that “the Muslims have said either we kneel or they’re going to kill us“:
One of John McCain’s fellow POW’s in Vietnam defended the war in Iraq, saying, “The Muslims have said either we kneel or they’re going to kill us.”
In a phone call with reporters arranged by the McCain campaign, Colonel Bud Day added: “I don’t intend to kneel and I don’t advocate to anybody that we kneel, and John doesn’t advocate to anybody that we kneel.”
This isn’t the first time that Day, who was a member of the Swift Boat Veterans for Truth, has spoken on behalf of the campaign. Last month, Day was featured on a campaign conference call to pushback against comments Gen. Wesley Clark made about McCain. (HT: Greg Sargent)
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Those boogie-terraists are gonna git if you don’t say your (Christian) prayers and say Sieg Heil to the McInsaneFuhrer…
July 18th, 2008 at 1:48 pmUh…Bud…?
They have medical treatments for that kind of baseless paranoia.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:50 pmThe muslims are after our fluids.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:51 pmYusef Islam really scares me a lot. That Peace Train shit kept me up at night for years…
July 18th, 2008 at 1:52 pmHey Day;
BOO!
July 18th, 2008 at 1:52 pmAs far as I am concerned not all muslims are radical,I work with plenty of Muslims who are in no way radical, they believe Osama is a radical along with his supporters and they in know way believe in his style of Islam and beliefs.This is just more fearmongering from the Reich.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:53 pmSomeone should keep tabs on all of the non-issue related statements that come out of the Republicans. Let’s have a chart. It will have two columns. One column to to list the fear mongering statements and the other column to list actual issue oriented statements. The first column will crash an Excel spreadheet and in the other column we’ll be able to organize our grocery list.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:55 pmIt should read: The BushCo regime is bankrupting us THEN kill us!
They have already about destroyed our active duty military and National Guard. That makes them bigger terrorists then any Muslim.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:56 pmGee, where do these guy’s get their drug’s, wal-mart maybe.?….Just to insane for word’s….Blessings
July 18th, 2008 at 1:57 pmLeftside Annie Says:
Uh…Bud…?
They have medical treatments for that kind of baseless paranoia.
I’m sure his insurance company will cover any necessary drugs he is certainly in need of.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:58 pmWitch1 Says:
Gee, where do these guy’s get their drug’s, wal-mart maybe.?….Just to insane for word’s….Blessings
I don’t think it is drugs, I think it is senility. Ol’ Bud makes even McDepends look young.
He has more wrinkles then Coutlergeist’s little black cocktail dress after an all-nighter on her back.
July 18th, 2008 at 1:59 pmAnd cover his Viagra, too, no doubt.
*eyeroll*
July 18th, 2008 at 2:00 pmAnxiety meds and anti-psychotics are covered my insurance. Reich-wingers really need to take advantage of their health care plans.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:02 pmIslam isn’t that much different from Christianity. They both have inane holy books that inspite divisive, exclusive, hateful and derogatory behavior in tehir followers.
This world will be better off when the human brain evolves again and drops its ability toward faith.
“[T]he United States is unique among wealthy democracies in its level of religious adherence; it is also uniquely beleaguered by high rates of homocide, abortion, teen pregnancy, STDs and infant mortality.”
July 18th, 2008 at 2:02 pm—Sam Harris from Letter to a Christian Nation referencing UN statistics
Fear sells, and the cowardly republican base is buying.
Terrorism only works on the terrified, which is why it only works on frightened little republican sissies.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:03 pmPiss-soaked imbecile.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:04 pmI wonder why the Vietnamese didn’t kill Johnny? He bombed them, used rockets and machine guns on them in his flyby’s. They locked him up for his crime to them. Yet they seem to have treated him better than he is willing to treat people that never did attack us, or him? It was our country that attacked Afghanistan and Iraq. It was Saudi Arabia that flew planes into the WTC.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:04 pmThis imbalance is revealing, no?
Which Muslims said that, huh? Where did that quote come from? Al Qaeda? Hamas? These guys just sit around making up these stupid sound bytes, I swear. The only “kneel or kill” quotes online are from Colonel Bud Swiftboat there, making s#it up as usual.
And when exactly was it folks like Buddy boy and McCain lost their spines? These guys are military, right? All I keep hearing is how scared they are. Grow some, willya?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:04 pmBud Day…McChimp was one of the first be swiftboated in 2000.
Is it possible Bud Day started the rumors about McCain’s black baby?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:05 pmAssuming Bud Day is right, we’re dead. There are about a billion Muslims, Americans are outnumbered more than three to one.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:06 pmRight wingers are such sissies.
It becomes more and more obvious every day.
You must be a total coward to support Republicans and their terrorist campaign.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:09 pmIt’s pretty clear that any day now, those billion Muslims are going to sneak into the US, blow up all major cities, take out our political infrastructure, destroy our military forces, and get Americans to give up without a fight.
Because that’s all so believable.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:09 pmMeanwhile a “Christian” president has invaded two Muslim countries.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:10 pmHis statement makes as much sense as saying ALL Germans, Austrians, Italians and Japanese wanted to kill us during WWII.
Why isn’t he in a VA Rest Home, anyway? For both his and our protection.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:10 pmAnd when exactly was it folks like Buddy boy and McCain lost their spines? These guys are military, right? All I keep hearing is how scared they are. Grow some, willya?
Used to be the right side was the ‘John Wayne’ types - all big and strong, brave and resolute. Now they are wetting their collective beds waiting for some attack, from somebody. The entire right side has crumbled to the ground in pearl clutching episodes of Waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!
July 18th, 2008 at 2:10 pmI find it strange that my friend, who has supported every move Chimpy’s administration has made, is calling more and more for the total destruction of Iraq, Iran, and Afghanistan. What I find strange is that he has become even more radical after attending classes (held at his church) where he learned all about the Muslim problem.
I wonder if certain christian sects are quilty of intermingling their message with politics?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:12 pmDear Muslims:
PLEASE get Bud…
Make him KNEEL, before FORGIVING him of his LIES.
(Budweiser, however, has been sold to the Belgians).
July 18th, 2008 at 2:13 pmRepublicans believe America is too weak to confront terrorists without resorting to stomping all over the middle east in a panic.
They’re like an elephant scared of a mouse.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:14 pmAnd I wonder if water is wet.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:15 pmIt’s absolutely amazing how a fanatical few can hold an entire country hostages of fear.
Most….no….the majority of Muslims are peace loving people. In fact, they follow the same ten commandments as do Christians, as do Jews, one of which states, “Thou shall not kill.”
It was the same during the Oklahoma City bombing, to which I’m sure Uncle Ho can attest to. When the criminals and the masterminds where being sought, the Michigan militia were targeted because of two brothers who may or may not have supplied the “fertilizer”. Suddenly, anyone from Michigan was a “militia” anti-government hick. It was sickening how the whole damn state was suddenly equated with them.
This is no different.
Oh, lest I forget.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:15 pmBOO!
Scared?
Vote Republican.
If a Republican, instead of fearmongering or name-calling, said something — anything — specific and concrete about an actual issue, then that would be real news.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:18 pmwho is Butt Buddy trying to kid? going down on their knees is something the repugs do willingly.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:20 pmThis is the first I’ve heard of any Muslim insisting that I kneel. Muslims don’t even insist their OWN kneel if it’s difficult for them (last time I was in a mosque at prayer time, they had chairs available for people who wished to pray but were too elderly and/or infirm to adopt the kneeling pose — oh, and nobody was FORCED to pray at all).
And is Bud Day talking about ALL Muslims? You would think that if ALL BILLION PLUS of them were threatening my life, I’d have heard about it by now.
No doubt there are some crackpots who believe they are in some divine struggle mandated by God to convert the world. This isn’t limited to Islam — Christianity has Fred Phelps, after all. However, most Christians to not accept Phelps as representative of their faith, just as most Muslims don’t accept these extremists as representative of theirs.
Methinks this is just more fearmongering (”we’ll make you afraid even if we have to make sh!t up to do it”) to justify our continued presence in Iraq and our bombing Iran.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:22 pmThey sure got down on their knees fast for Bin Laden, invading Iraq to get Saddam out of the way so he could use the country for Al Queada training, even providing real live US military personnel to practice on.
Not to mention all the PR work Bush did for AQ recruiting!
July 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pmI’m brown, I’m scary, and I’m coming for Bud (with my holy Rockband wireless guitar…it’s got a 30 foot range!) — bwahahahahaha!
July 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pmpakaal Says
July 18th, 2008 at 2:09 pm
It’s pretty clear that any day now, those billion Muslims are going to sneak into the US, blow up all major cities, take out our political infrastructure, destroy our military forces, and get Americans to give up without a fight.
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LOL — I’m just imagining a billion people attempting to “sneak” anywhere. It sounds like the premise for a very funny Monty Python sketch.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:25 pmROFL!!!!!! The reich-wing fall back position: “You misquoted me!!! You took me out of context!!! Waaaaah waaaaaah”
July 18th, 2008 at 2:25 pmhahahaha, even THIS quivering troll has a hard time with the words of his idols.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:26 pmsomeone call whine wun wun
truther needs a waaambulance
July 18th, 2008 at 2:27 pmtruther21 Says
July 18th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Methinks this is just another misquote taken out of context with key words missing. I’d put more faith in a transcript.
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Of course, since this was a phone call with reporters, it’s doubtful that a transcript exists. But I’m sure that if Bud Day feels he was misquoted, we’ll hear a “clarification” from him.
Personally, I hope Day DOES try to clarify his comments. I’d love to know where he got this “the Muslims have said” quote.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:30 pmPoliticians are destroying this country, and WATBs like truther21 are cheering them on.
I wonder if they realize that if this country disintegrates, it disintegrates for them as well?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:31 pmBud Day: “I don’t intend to kneel…”
So at least we have established that Bud Day is a “pitcher” not a “catcher”. Rabid little alpha dog that he is.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:32 pmMaybe Bud got this from the New Yorker cover. After all, Michelle DID look mighty terroristic in that Paris Hilton Club outfit.
And that terrorist fist jab, WOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!! I B SCARED!
July 18th, 2008 at 2:33 pmScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Says
July 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I’m brown, I’m scary, and I’m coming for Bud (with my holy Rockband wireless guitar…it’s got a 30 foot range!) — bwahahahahaha!
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OK, I’m scared. Not of you, but that guitar sounds dangerous.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:33 pmtruther21 Says:
Methinks this is just another misquote taken out of context with key words missing. I’d put more faith in a transcript.
If you have a sense of history and current events, you would know the name Bud Day. You would know what Bud Day stands for and what Bud Day has done in the recent past (swiftboat).
You would also know that he is an unAmerican fear monger, who probably has a financial interest in killing American soldiers.
That is the untold story of this issue: How many on the right side have financial stakes in firms doing business with the government or providing services in the theaters of battle. That’s what makes them cheerlead the fight (cheney & halliburton).
July 18th, 2008 at 2:34 pmunbelievable,
Sam Harris’ End of Faith should be mandatory reading. I am afraid that the ones who need it the most wouldn’t get through it, My Pet Goat is an easier read.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:36 pmThis is just like what I heard from a Major who told us that if “we didn’t fight them over there, we would be fighting them here” as I was shipping out for SEA.
And we all know that N. Vietnam DID invade us, right?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:37 pmMcCain’s campaign is all the Disney ’60’s comedy-westerns, rolled into one: “Support Your Local Shakiest Over-the-Hill Gang that Couldn’t Shoot Straight.”
[I also tried to find a way of working Bullwhip Griffin in, but failed.]
July 18th, 2008 at 2:39 pmThe GOP has a few colonels and captains left that support them. dime a dozen. Wes Clark has 4 stars and was an actual soldier. What a disgusting comparison to these little pipsqueaks that basically run a small business compared to a general in charge of our NATO forces and look at the rest of his record.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:44 pmAnd they challenge his thoughts on reality? This is all they have? Not one major military officer has stood up to do anything but speak against the administration. You would think the news would pick up on that?
misshusseinmolly Says:
ScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Says
July 18th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
I’m brown, I’m scary, and I’m coming for Bud (with my holy Rockband wireless guitar…it’s got a 30 foot range!) — bwahahahahaha!
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OK, I’m scared. Not of you, but that guitar sounds dangerous.
Missmolly, I almost stopped at the word Bud, but I worried that someone might construe it as an actual death threat and I’ll be hauled off to Gitmo. So I wanted to specify my weapon of mass entertainment.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:46 pmBud Day: “I don’t intend to kneel [unless there is a blowjob involved]…”
July 18th, 2008 at 2:47 pmWe kneel everyday. We kneel for their oil while their balls hit our chins.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:50 pmAmericans don’t go for this sh!t. The Arab world has justified grievances. And the fringe terrorists should be killed or locked up. For sure.
Ok so I missed the part when the leaders of Islam were replaced by General Zod. When did this happen and why did we let them get so close to a yellow sun?
July 18th, 2008 at 2:55 pmScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Says:
Bud Day: “I don’t intend to kneel [unless there is a blowjob involved]…”
So Bud knows Jeff Gannon, Mark Foley, Ted Haggard and Larry Craig. HMMMMMM
Who’da thunk?
But he is an ambulance chaser and Divorce attorney (he did McDepends’ when he dumped wife1 for McCindy) in FLorida, so it does all fit.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:57 pmoldtree Says:
The GOP has a few colonels and captains left that support them. dime a dozen. Wes Clark has 4 stars and was an actual soldier. What a disgusting comparison to these little pipsqueaks that basically run a small business compared to a general in charge of our NATO forces and look at the rest of his record.
Yea, and Bud, one of the most decorated people in the military, was passed over for Brig. General. That has to tell us something about his ‘leadership’ skills.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:00 pm.
Terrorists are NOT puppies…
They will not follow us home!
Terrorists are NOT little green men…
The Martians are not attacking!
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July 18th, 2008 at 3:07 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
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LOL — I’m just imagining a billion people attempting to “sneak” anywhere. It sounds like the premise for a very funny Monty Python sketch.
July 18th, 2008 at 2:25 pm
Isn’t the real threat obvious from your comment?
Muslims don’t have to blow up anything or to kill anyone to successfully invade and destroy the US. Besides, what would the US be worth to them if it were destroyed or fouled with rotting corpses?
All they have to do is make more babies than anyone else. Since the major category to which you refer – a billion people – is already so large, and growing around the world, all they have to do “to win” is continue out-growing everyone else.
Then, as their influence increases, they can legislate away all freedoms offensive to Muslims and pass new laws to eliminate values influenced by any other faith,… or by lack of beliefs.
This may be closer than we’d gues. There was an attempt a few years back – this decade – to install one of those “call to prayer” type public address systems in a Detroit suburb. Proposal didn’t pass the city council - this time.
Wouldn’t that put a wrinkle in small town America?
Since Arafat, the late Palestinian leader, bragged that his secret weapon was the wound of the Palestinian woman – which on average produces 6 off-springs - making the growth rate of the Palestinians much higher than the Israelis’, we should have a ring side seat to see what problems this switching demographics can produce.
He who makes the most babies always wins. He also gets to re-write the story as well.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:10 pmHasn’t that sandwich spoiled yet?
July 18th, 2008 at 3:15 pmbitblt Says:
Since Arafat, the late Palestinian leader, bragged that his secret weapon was the wound of the Palestinian woman – which on average produces 6 off-springs - making the growth rate of the Palestinians much higher than the Israelis’, we should have a ring side seat to see what problems this switching demographics can produce.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
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You mean a problem like freedom for the Palestinian people after 41 years of illegal occupation?
One can only hope…
July 18th, 2008 at 3:16 pmFrankly, bitblotto, I’m far more frightened of our home-grown Christians than I am of ANY Muslim…
July 18th, 2008 at 3:19 pmbitblt:
It is all clear now: the problem must be the wound of Pestinian women, not the Jewish bulldozers and missiles.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:21 pmHe who makes the most babies always wins. He also gets to re-write the story as well.
So we are making babies over here, so that we don’t have to make them over there? Did I get that right?
WTF do babies have to do with an insane administration and Muslim people?
July 18th, 2008 at 3:21 pmSorry, Palestinian women. Arghhh.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:21 pmbitblt Says:
This may be closer than we’d gues. There was an attempt a few years back – this decade – to install one of those “call to prayer” type public address systems in a Detroit suburb. Proposal didn’t pass the city council - this time.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
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Wow! What a close one - we sure dodged that bullet, huh? To think - we almost allowed people the freedom to worship as they please in this country. Can you imagine?!?
And remember - religion is just a “gateway freedom.” Freedom of religion leads to all kinds of other societal ills: freedom of speech (gasp), freedom of the press (horrors), freedom from fear (how frightening!).
Oh, and the call-to-prayer things are called minarets, and the guys giving it are called muazzins. As anyone who’s been to a Muslim country will tell you, the call to prayer is actually a quite beautiful and musical event (except perhaps for the 5 am one when you’re trying to sleep in).
July 18th, 2008 at 3:23 pmWow! What a close one - we sure dodged that bullet, huh? To think - we almost allowed people the freedom to worship as they please in this country. Can you imagine?!?
As I think someone already noted, people should be more scared of the right side chrisitian religious fanatics than any other group. The christian taliban is filled with the ultimate Low Information Voters, as well as the most hypocritical group of knuckledraggers ever to walk the earth.
We absolutely have no business telling another group how to worship.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:29 pmbitblt Says
July 18th, 2008 at 3:10 pm
All they have to do is make more babies than anyone else. Since the major category to which you refer – a billion people – is already so large, and growing around the world, all they have to do “to win” is continue out-growing everyone else.
Then, as their influence increases, they can legislate away all freedoms offensive to Muslims and pass new laws to eliminate values influenced by any other faith,… or by lack of beliefs.
This may be closer than we’d gues. There was an attempt a few years back – this decade – to install one of those “call to prayer” type public address systems in a Detroit suburb. Proposal didn’t pass the city council - this time.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!
That’s quite a scenario you paint there. But in order for Muslims (or anyone else) to change our government in the way you suggest, they would first have to gut the constitution (particularly the first amendment, especially the establishment clause) through amendments. And in order to be effective at this, they would have to become a majority in 38 out of the 50 states. Considering that Muslims currently make up only about 1% of the U.S. population, I’d say they have their work cut out for them. They’d better get busy with their nefarious reproduction plan if they plan to become a majority over 300 million other Americans.
And I wouldn’t worry about the request for a “call to prayer” loudspeaker in a Muslim neighborhood as a harbinger of anything sinister. We currently have audible church bells in many neighborhoods across this country (and the Muslim call to prayer is merely the equivalent of that in their religion), and it really hasn’t hurt anything — except the sleep patterns of people who like to sleep late on Sunday mornings.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:31 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
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And remember - religion is just a “gateway freedom.” Freedom of religion leads to all kinds of other societal ills: freedom of speech (gasp), freedom of the press (horrors), freedom from fear (how frightening!).
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July 18th, 2008 at 3:23 pm
Which Muslim country are you describing?
July 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pmThe “christian” white Right is always panicking about the dark people breeding. It’s exactly the reason that Chinese women weren’t allowed in the country although the men were welcome as virtual slave labor. As soon as you let them make babies, they’ll take over. If it hadn’t been for far-sighted bigots, er, politicians in the 19th century, we’d all be eating dim sum for breakfast. A fate worse than death.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:34 pmStratRat Says:
The christian taliban is filled with the ultimate Low Information Voters, as well as the most hypocritical group of knuckledraggers ever to walk the earth.
We absolutely have no business telling another group how to worship.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
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Isn’t it cute how they constantly assert their rights of religious freedom, then scream bloody murder if some other religion dares to exercise their own religious freedom?
July 18th, 2008 at 3:36 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
Isn’t it cute how they constantly assert their rights of religious freedom, then scream bloody murder if some other religion dares to exercise their own religious freedom?
That’s because “religious freedom” means the right to practice your own religion without interference and to impose it on others. D’oh.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:37 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
StratRat Says:
The christian taliban is filled with the ultimate Low Information Voters, as well as the most hypocritical group of knuckledraggers ever to walk the earth.
We absolutely have no business telling another group how to worship.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:29 pm
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Isn’t it cute how they constantly assert their rights of religious freedom, then scream bloody murder if some other religion dares to exercise their own religious freedom?
hussein toasterhead Says:
Oh, and the call-to-prayer things are called minarets, and the guys giving it are called muazzins. As anyone who’s been to a Muslim country will tell you, the call to prayer is actually a quite beautiful and musical event (except perhaps for the 5 am one when you’re trying to sleep in).
Hello, friend! The minaret is the tower from which the call to prayer (adhaan, in Arabic) is made. No need for a tower in most places today, as technology has given us PA systems. The ones I have encountered are restricted to within a given mosque or prayer hall.
I used to live around the corner from a Methodist church and they would play very loud bells every day at noon and at 6pm. On Sundays, the bells would start at 8 or 9am. They played about 2-3 songs, and it was hard to sleep, especially if you had a late night on Saturday.
While the call to prayer is beautiful indeed, I believe that the noise ordinances should be respected by all faiths, unless the community overwhelmingly votes in favor for a particular disturbance. Then the choice is to deal with it or move. (I moved away from the church bells, but not for that reason. I relocated out of state two years ago.)
400 years ago the inhabitants of this country were not Christian. In another 400 years from now, it might not be a Christian majority anymore. So what? Times change, things change, the world changes. And the majority will decide how they want things to be.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:41 pmbitblt Says:
Which Muslim country are you describing?
July 18th, 2008 at 3:33 pm
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In that quote? I wasn’t referring to a Muslim country, but the fictional Protestant States of America you seem to think we inhabit.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:42 pmIsn’t it cute how they constantly assert their rights of religious freedom, then scream bloody murder if some other religion dares to exercise their own religious freedom?
Yep, it is the standard inflexibility of ‘my way or the hiway’. Pure religious bullying.
It seems weird then when we consider the ills of the South - where the bulk of religious fanatics live in America: they have more divorces, out of wedlock births, domestic violence, single parent households, and alcoholics. These just are facts about the region of America known as the ‘bible belt’.
If I was confident in my beliefs and in my church, I wouldn’t (or shouldn’t) care about the way others worship - religion is an internal philsophy. A personal belief, not a team sport.
Live and let live….
July 18th, 2008 at 3:44 pmScaryBrownHusseinChick (ThinkOutsideTheBush) Says:
Hello, friend! The minaret is the tower from which the call to prayer (adhaan, in Arabic) is made.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
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Thank you for improving my vocabulary! :)
July 18th, 2008 at 3:55 pmI am sorry. What does Iraq have to do with any of this. There was no organized AQ in Iraq until our invasion. Only 5% of insurgent forces were allied to AQ. Indeed, AQ was able to create a hell of a lot of violence by stirring up ethnic and religious differences by its well planned and aimed attacks. Let me see if I get it right:
1. We shifted resources from Afghanistan to Iraq without getting Bin Laden who had declared war on the United States. Indeed, Bush though Bin Laden was such a threat that Bush made a very public declaration that Bin Laden would be caught - dead or alive.
2. We attack Iraq for a non-existent WMD threat thereby causing thousands to flock to the radical jihadist flag.
3. We fail to reconstruct Afghanistan and our occupation of Iraq has killed hundreds of thousands as well as displacing more than a quarter of their population.
4. We decimated an AQ presence in Iraq that would never have existed except for our invasion and failure to maintain order. AQ was virtually decimated in Iraq. Amazing that it tool so long given how small it was to begin with. Oh, yes, the Sunnis did the work for us. We bribed them and they really found out what AQ was like and absolutely hated them.
5. Now we need to go back to Afghanistan to finish up the job that we should have completed in the begining. AQ now as large, well trained and funded as it was the day before 9/11.
Yes, the ignorance of fools will do the radical’s job for them. Bin Laden wanted the US caught in a quagmire that would deplete our treasure and military. Strangely, he thought that Afghanistan would provide the battle field. However, his attack shocked the Arab world. Even Iran was on our side (i.e. support.) However, idiots who conflated all Muslims, disparaged the religion and went off half cocked saved Bin Laden’s bacon.
July 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pmAre you people so blinded by hatred of all things conservative that you would excuse such horrific behavior?
That is a limbaugh/oreilly talking point. Instead of parroting what they tell you to say, do YOU have anything to say? I thought you didn’t….
July 18th, 2008 at 4:29 pmJim Wilke Says:
Good Lord. Have you folks already forgotten 9/11? The Madrid and London bombings? Are you people so blinded by hatred of all things conservative that you would excuse such horrific behavior?
July 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
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Who is excusing the 9/11 attacks or the Madrid or London bombings? Not anyone here. Or are you so blinded by your hatred of all things liberal that you can’t see that?
July 18th, 2008 at 4:30 pmWho is excusing the 9/11 attacks or the Madrid or London bombings? Not anyone here. Or are you so blinded by your hatred of all things liberal that you can’t see that?
The right side is not so clever, obviously.
Nobody in these posts - or any other post I have seen - has excused anything of the sort. But again, trolls only have to spew out some inane GOP phrase to feel superior. Losers…
July 18th, 2008 at 4:34 pmJim Wilke Says:
Good Lord. Have you folks already forgotten 9/11? The Madrid and London bombings? Are you people so blinded by hatred of all things conservative that you would excuse such horrific behavior?
Huh? Nobody has condoned this any more than they have condoned Timothy McVeigh’s bombing in Oklahoma City.
July 18th, 2008 at 4:47 pmHas anyone else noticed TP yanked the Obama/socialist thread?
What’s up?
July 18th, 2008 at 4:52 pmWilke,
If you are so concerned about those events, then why aren’t you screaming for the UN and the US to do something about it?
Like in Saudi, Pakistan and more in Afghanistan? And not in Iraq, which had NOTHING to do with any of those events.
Another blinded Repug, can’t see the forest for the BushCo NeoCon lies.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:02 pmWhat others are learning…and how they are responding…
http://www.spiegel.de/ international/ germany/ 0,1518,565146,00.html
Articles is long…
BTW, anyone remember the riots in France a couple of years ago?
July 18th, 2008 at 5:19 pmSo, blt, WTF’s your point, you bigoted moron?
Are you trying to convince us that Muslims are at fault for all the world’s problems?
Gee! That sounds just like the Nazis…imagine that.
BITBLT = Nazi
July 18th, 2008 at 5:22 pmThere are those who believe that the “making of war” means the same as being a “strong and secure America”. Nothing could be further from reality.
Our preemptive strike against Iraq was a failure of leadership. For Day to defend attacking Iraq, and for McCain to do the same, should be proof enough that we face more failed leadership in the likes of them.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:24 pmbitblt Says:
http://www.spiegel.de/ international/ germany/ 0,1518,565146,00.html
In place of the “fairy tale that we’re all ‘children of Abraham’,” in the words of Leggewie, the churches are now making an effort not to entangle themselves in finding contrived common ground with Islam. Instead they are trying to find areas in which they differ — and this applies particularly to the construction of mosques.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
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Hmmm… Germans discriminating against an ethnic minority for religious reasons, and wrapping this discrimination in the guise of national pride. Who woulda thunk it?
July 18th, 2008 at 5:26 pmLeftside Annie Says:
So, blt, WTF’s your point, you bigoted moron?
Are you trying to convince us that Muslims are at fault for all the world’s problems?
Gee! That sounds just like the Nazis…imagine that.
BITBLT = Nazi
July 18th, 2008 at 5:22 pm
It’s an observation LA. Sorry you didn’t recognize that.
Since bit hasn’t remarked on the theme of this thread - “Muslim are going to kill us,” it would seem that the term bigot would describe you more that it would LA.
Additional numbers:
From CIA factbook percent of Muslim population in Germany, France, UK, and US - 3.7%, 5-10%, 2.7%, and 0.6%.
Please draw your own conclusions. bit is simply observing.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:30 pmCan you imagine if a Obama and his surrogates made the kind of comments McCain and his do?
If you wanna read more about McCain’s missteps, check this out:
July 18th, 2008 at 5:31 pmhttp://www.buzzflash.com/articles/election08/253
bitblt Says:
BTW, anyone remember the riots in France a couple of years ago?
July 18th, 2008 at 5:19 pm
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And about those riots - they started because France, like Germany and other European countries, prefers to keep its immigrants from Muslim countries in low-income ghettos and isolate them from society. It’s that divide that led to the riots a few years ago.
All of which is completely irrelevant to the situation of Muslims in the United States, who are more affluent, integrated and assimilated than their counterparts in Europe.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:35 pmJim, please go and insert your head directly into your colon. You’re nothing but a fearmongering idiot who is gullible beyond belief. Run that crap through Snopes and see what comes out, you idiot.
Perhaps you, Bit and all your other stupid troll pals should go and cower under your respective beds until all those Muslims you’re so afraid of come to kill you.
George Bush has killed far more Muslims than in Osama bin Laden’s wettest of wet dreams. IMO, George Bush is a far bigger terrorist than OBL could ever hope to be. In fact, Chimpy makes Osama look like a rank amateur.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:09 pmJim Wilke Says:
Obama, who belongs to a church that teaches that the Muslims of the world were wronged by both Israel and the United States, cannot afford to be labeled as a “Muslim” by voters who expect the United States to win the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan where their sons and daughters are being killed by Muslims.
July 18th, 2008 at 5:59 pm
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Which is exactly why you’re working so hard to spread these lies, right? I mean, you people can’t beat Obama in policy or character, so the only thing you have left is the good ol’ propaganda catapult.
Keep repeating the same lies and juxtaposing the same things until the majority of the people believe you. Just like you convinced the majority of the people to believe Iraq was was behind 9/11.
Although it’s fun to see you clowns this desperate, I find it abhorrent that you abuse the stupidity of the American voter in this way.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:22 pmJim Wilke Says:
I’m not afraid of Muslims or radical Islamists……but I am not stupid. Do I think there are many who want to cause us harm, many that want to kill the Great Satan? Yes.
Jim, buddy. You are scared out of your wits by anyone who doesn’t look or act just like you do. You are terrified of the Muslims because the right side told you to be scared. You don’t have enough information to feel anything for yourself, so you look to hate radio for the words you need.
I truly thought the right side was the brave and courageous ones, and the DFH were the crybabies. Seems thats not operative any longer as the GOP is the party of pearl clutching WATB.
You truly do bring shame to America, Jim. Here’s hoping you get well very soon. Please stop being so scared, America needs you. Your children are also watching your reaction to this and they deserve more than a bedwetting father figure.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:39 pmJim Wilke Says:
Do I think there are many who want to cause us harm…
And how many are “many?”
There are also people in this country (yes, even Christians) who would do harm to Americans.
Btw, Islam is not genetic. Not the way stupidity is… for which reason, I really feel sorry for your children.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:41 pmBtw, Islam is not genetic. Not the way stupidity is… for which reason, I really feel sorry for your children.
Me too…His children deserve better than to live with a frightened and unhinged parent. Show so backbone, Jim.
Bush has killed more human beings than all of the terrorists combined. Are you frightened of him?
July 18th, 2008 at 6:44 pmI think the threat we face is from radical Zionist extremism, Dr. Goldfarb.
July 18th, 2008 at 6:57 pmIf you want to ignore that or minimize that, if you want to scoff at that, fine. But answer this: If there is no threat abroad, why does Barack want to shift US troops from Iraq to Afghanistan?
Are you only willing to fight enemies designated by him?
I get the feeling that you are the smartest within the group of people you tend to discuss politics with. I say this because you continually put words in our mouths - choosing to describe our positions within your framework - as opposed to discussing the actual points we make. When less educated people look up to you, you are able to do that. That doesn’t work here at TP. We’ve all got your number, man.
Nobody spoke the name of Obama, but you attribute it to us. Nobody is ignoring the threat from Afghanistan (well, except bush) but you again attribute that position to us. Your little group of debaters may not know enough to stand toe to toe with you on the facts, but we certainly can do that - and we have today.
Your batting average is abysmal towards discussing these topics, and that makes me sad. Really, not mad at you, just sad that we can’t see these issues with similar solutions in mind. Anyway, I love Miles Davis also, so maybe we do have an element of agreement between us.
July 18th, 2008 at 7:10 pmThe ‘Christian Right Wing’ was and is just as radical. The KKK was a terrorist organization while the Crusade killed more people than the ‘terrorist killers’ ever have.
July 18th, 2008 at 7:13 pmJim Wilke Says
July 18th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
But answer this: If there is no threat abroad, why does Barack want to shift US troops from Iraq to Afghanistan?
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Remember Osama bin Laden? The guy whose group blasted into the twin towers and the Pentagon on 9/11/2001, killing about 3,000 people? The guy whom Bush “doesn’t think about much”? Well, Obama thinks about him, and most of us haven’t forgotten about him. And HIS Al Qaeda (not to be confused with AQI), which has strengthened since we’ve been ignoring him. And we haven’t had the resources to do a serious job of taking them out in Afghanistan/Pakistan because they’re all in Iraq.
It’s not just a matter of a threat, it’s also a matter of justice. Bomb us, and we’ll hunt you down.
July 18th, 2008 at 7:25 pmAfter what we’ve done to the Muslim world would you blame them for wanting us dead?
July 18th, 2008 at 7:29 pmWhat is it now…1.2 million dead INNOCENT Iraqis?
Uh, how many people have been killed due to the relaxing of workplace safety and environmental standards in the last 7 7ears (and in the future decades)? What about product safety ?………….
July 18th, 2008 at 8:47 pmJust another moron Republican. It’s getting harder and harder to tell them apart. I think they all share a single brain cell.
July 19th, 2008 at 12:11 amJuan C. Says:
bitblt:
It is all clear now: the problem must be the wound of Pestinian women, not the Jewish bulldozers and missiles.
July 18th, 2008 at 3:21 pm
Uh, those bulldozers and missiles are Israeli, not Jewish. Bit of a Freudian slip, eh? Did you know Freud was one of those nasty Jews too?
July 19th, 2008 at 1:03 amJim Wilke Says:
Here’s what I listen to: Sports and a bit of jazz when I can find it. I’m a big fan of older Miles Davis and Chet Baker as well as Kurt Elling.
I’ve visited Ground Zero. That was enough. I’m not afraid of Islamists or anyone else. But I recognize there are elements that are actively conspiring to bring great harm to this nation. Right now.
If you want to ignore that or minimize that, if you want to scoff at that, fine. But answer this: If there is no threat abroad, why does Barack want to shift US troops from Iraq to Afghanistan?
Are you only willing to fight enemies designated by him?
July 18th, 2008 at 6:52 pm
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Why would Barack Hussein Obama want to shift troops from Iraq to Afghanistan? It can’t possibly be because the still-active al-Qa’ida cell that attacked us on 9/11 still has a base there (well, next-door in Pakistan), and because there are still some Afghans who actually want us there, and because we still have a teensy window of opportunity to help stabilize their fledgeling kleptocracy, right?
And it’s good that you recognize that ” there are elements that are actively conspiring to bring great harm to this nation.” I recognize that, too. Most of those neocons have their offices on K Street NW. The people who are currently conspiring to do the most harm to this country aren’t a bunch of religious delusionists in the FATA, but the neocons in the military/corporate complex who are trying to turn every inherently governmental function that runs this country into a profit-making venture. That’s the truth, son, and you know it.
And another thing - Miles Davis was a two-bit, no-talent hack. Cannonball Adderly mops the floor with him on Kind of Blue. There, I said it.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:57 amNoOneYouKnow Says:
Uh, those bulldozers and missiles are Israeli, not Jewish. Bit of a Freudian slip, eh? Did you know Freud was one of those nasty Jews too?
July 19th, 2008 at 1:03 am
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Actually, most of them are American. Purchased with money we give them to buy the stuff from us.
July 19th, 2008 at 1:59 am“Muslim are going to kill us,”
It’s not only by the womb that the number increases - converts are too many these days for French and German mosques to handle, Texas and Georgia to. I am not sure of the numbers in the U.S, but i think Texas is the highest in new converts
Over one million killed in Iraq for the crime of 9-11, something they had no hand in, like the 6 million Afghanis Bush killed to for 9-11. It’s Not becuase they are Muslims either (but it helped), they could worship the red eye of the little yellow dog for all the neoconns care, they have land and wealth and are much darker than the KKK likes and that is that. After Muslims are done being targets, like the Russia befor them - the neoconns will pick on someone else, maybe yellow, maybe black - red again to maybe, but that is going back a while
July 19th, 2008 at 8:30 amLeftside Annie Says:
Uh…Bud…?
They have medical treatments for that kind of baseless paranoia.
When it comes to medical treatment for paranoia, I would estimate that about 99% of the above commenters should look into that very thing for themselves.
July 19th, 2008 at 6:01 pmJim Wilke Says:
Good Lord. Have you folks already forgotten 9/11? The Madrid and London bombings? Are you people so blinded by hatred of all things conservative that you would excuse such horrific behavior?
July 18th, 2008 at 4:21 pm
I don’t forget the bombings, but I don’t want either a fascist dictatorship of Conservatives (American or else).
July 20th, 2008 at 12:21 pm