United Methodist Church delegate pushing for appeal of Bush library decision.
United Methodist Church delegate pushing for appeal of Bush library decision.
On Thursday, the United Methodist Church’s South Central Jurisdiction voted to dismiss petitions that would have blocked Southern Methodist University from housing the George W. Bush presidential library and an attached partisan institute. In response, opponents of the planned library “made a long-shot appeal” to “the church’s highest lawmaking body“:
Jeannie Trevino-Teddlie asked the judicial council to examine SMU’s leasing of the land below market value for the public policy institute, which is part of the presidential library complex.
She questioned whether the action met SMU and church rules, which require campus buildings to be used for educational or religious purposes. She said the lease “would subsidize a specific political and ideological point of view.”
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No, no, no…
The purpose is to DEFEND against the partisan political attacks that Bush endures from liberals who insist on questioning his ordained authority…
July 19th, 2008 at 2:05 pm“Bush Library”, that cracks me up every time.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:10 pmFor the Bushbrains, ideology is religion.
The argument should be posed thusly: “Do you really want to be associated with war criminals? If so, either call it The Cheney Library or The Museum of Sock Puppets. Anything else is disinformation, not compatible with education.”
July 19th, 2008 at 2:13 pmThe best quote I’ve heard about this was on NPR. It was from a Church leader who rightly stated that the Neocon philosophy of corporation-based governance was in direct contradiction to the Methodist ideology. He rightly stated the relstionship between the “Libraray” and the school will fail.
I have an SMU grad in my family and we are outraged that this Library/Complex is even being considered. It is an insult to humanity, not to mention SMU.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:17 pmNow how are Methodists different from the rest of the sects again? I can never remember that sort of stuff. I suppose it is the same reason I can’t remember my video rental account number…
July 19th, 2008 at 2:18 pmW has a fallback in San Francisco and they want to memorialize his record.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:21 pmAnd think of the mess there will be a day or two after it opens when it gets firebombed. OH the mess to clean up, tsk, tsk, tsk. But, at least no worthwhile history will be lost, a lot of boooshit.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:26 pmJust look at the revulsion even this a$$hole gets from just wanting to try and get a library. HAHHAHAHAHAHA it is hysterical, and this fcuking moran thinks he is going to have a whorthwhile legacy. BWAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Oh the laughs can’t come fast enough from the traitors. Even as they go down one by one, they keep spewing this treasonous crap. There is not gonna be enough rope to hang them all.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:31 pmIf I believed in owning a gun, I would have definately killed many rethugnikkkans already, or died trying.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:33 pmMethodists separated from the Anglican Church after the American Revolution. They basically dropped all references to the divine right of kings and removed the English Monarch from the church hierarchy.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:34 pmSMU’s VP for External Affairs said “in addition to more university endowments and visitors to campus, students will benefit from research at the presidential library center.” Since when did the Bush administration do any research? Why does SMU expect them to start now?
July 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pmstateofthedivision Says:
SMU’s VP for External Affairs said “in addition to more university endowments and visitors to campus, students will benefit from research at the presidential library center.” Since when did the Bush administration do any research? Why does SMU expect them to start now?
July 19th, 2008 at 2:36 pm
SMU is about screw themselves over this “lie-berry.” Regarding the research issue — there is no such thing as partisan research. That would be called “junk science.”
July 19th, 2008 at 2:41 pmRay Hunt’s donations will have to make up for the thousands of SMU grads who will never offer another penny to their alma mater. One lady, who I attend church with, wrote SMU out of her will. But SMU will get more “endowments, vistors and students will benefit from Bush quality research on the average daily hours of electricity in Baghdad.” That’s otherwise known as creating one’s own reality (or dropping the measure altogether).
July 19th, 2008 at 2:43 pmstateofthedivision Says:
“…more university endowments…”
Say no more!
July 19th, 2008 at 2:45 pmSMU Board member Ray Hunt should have plenty of money to add to those university endowments with his Iraq oil contract. Maybe that will be the Bush library’s research focus, oil. Either that or bad baseball teams.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:53 pmFor more about the man who greased the skids for the Bush library at SMU go to:
http://www.smu.edu/hunt/Nancy_and_Ray_Hunt.asp
As for the opposition, this if from the Houston Chronicle story:
Opposition started on campus from some faculty in the fall of 2006, just before SMU was named the lone finalist. Then some Methodist ministers joined in the fray, starting an online petition that has since garnered about 12,000 signatures.
I see SMU practices the same model of leadership found in Washington, D.C. Listen to the big people with money and ignore the wishes of the masses.
July 19th, 2008 at 2:58 pmSince this whole library, think tank, GDumbya monument thing is such a transparent fiction from the git-go, perhaps Hunt and RoverBoy (who will undoubtedly be appointed as its administrator) should just go for broke and build a whole freaking amusement park on the SMU campus.
I can see it now — GDumbyaLand. The park ride and attraction opportunities are endless. How about HummerQuest — dodge IEDs, shoot Iraqis and throw grenades as you try to get to the Baghdad Airport. Or, maybe, Shock and Awe — the nightly fireworks display where the whole park is destroyed only to be rebuilt overnight with “reconstruction funds” provided by the American taxpayer.
Of course, you can buy a burger and “Freedom fries” from several vendors in GDumbyaLand, too.
Anybody else got some ideas to pass on to Hunt and RoverBoy?
I really think that we’re onto something here, folks.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:02 pmNo matter where this alleged library is built, it will be a bomb magnet. Also, if this alleged library is associated with any sort of university, not only will the endowments dry up but the enrollment will also tank. It won’t be until Bush actually leaves office before we know exactly how horrendous this administration really was. Therefore, his legacy will never get any better but it will definitely get much worse.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:06 pmThanks for that WaltTheMan.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:08 pmI think a nice cladogram or some sort of flowchart/phylogenic tree type deal in general would help folks like myself keep this sort of thing straight.
Methodists might as well be Baptists and SMU might as well be Liberty U. Who exactly is benefiting?
July 19th, 2008 at 3:10 pmThe chart would have to be changed frequently as they all seem to be devolving rapidly.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:11 pmdbadass,
July 19th, 2008 at 3:56 pmHere’s a flowchart of the development of the major branches of Protestant churches.
I found it here.
“dbadass Says:
Now how are Methodists different from the rest of the sects again? I can never remember that sort of stuff. I suppose it is the same reason I can’t remember my video rental account number…”
Methodists are the ones who’s founder decried the slave trade as the sum of all villanies, A Methodist was a founding father and he he wasn’t rich and didn’t own slaves, Methodists were among the first in America to ordain women, Methodists made Ghandi consider becoming a Christian, Methodists humiliated Bush at Coretta Scott King’s funeral and the Methodist Church has been again the Iraq war from the start and has never hid this.
Fact is some of our leading memebers have been arrested while protesting.
That’s who Methodists are.
July 19th, 2008 at 3:59 pmI’m surprised Chimpy hasn’t approached National University of Asunción in Paraguay to house his library. If and when it is built, where ever that may be, it sould be nicknamed the Kool-Aid Kollection. Would SMU like to be known as the Kool-Aid Kollege?
July 19th, 2008 at 4:09 pmdbadass Says:
One way to tell Methodists from Baptists I’ve heard is that Methodist will say hello to each other in a liquor store, Baptists won’t.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:14 pmWaltTheMan:
July 19th, 2008 at 4:18 pmThat is a great start and I thank you for it. Now all I need are the conditions under which each diverged from their common ancestry
cd:
July 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pmMethodists sound like some real good folks.
Saint Augustine:
See #27
Hot enough for ya?
July 19th, 2008 at 4:22 pmdbadass,
July 19th, 2008 at 4:23 pmThat’s in the source article which is also in my post. If oyu click on each of the highlighted items, it will open a discussion of each branch of each religion. It should take only a bit of time since there are mere hundreds of Christian sects.
oyu s/b you, and it’s not the keyboard.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:24 pmdbadass,
July 19th, 2008 at 4:29 pmIt’s 85.7 down here and about 95 in NYC.
dbadass:
Well we’re not perfect I’ve known some Methodists I found disagreeable and when Southern Methodists broke away from the Church they did alot of bad things in our name till the rejoined about 100 years later.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:36 pmGood for them.
A memorial outhouse, yes.
Library, no.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:37 pmIf they do build it, I’m shooting for the urinal cake concession, except they won’t just be in the urinals…
July 19th, 2008 at 4:38 pmI’m certain you could get Larry Craig to earmark that one, RUC…
July 19th, 2008 at 4:58 pmI think the location and funding of Bush’s “Presidential Liberry” is of less concern than the fact that Bush won’t let any but the most loyal of ideologues study any of his papers until long after we’re all dead. Once again, he is forgetting the fact that he is a public servant, not a private citizen “contracted” to do work for the government. Those papers ought to be public property.
July 19th, 2008 at 5:14 pmIf he exerts conMUST be NO tax benefits!
July 19th, 2008 at 5:20 pmThat is, If he exerts control there MUST be NO tax benefits!
July 19th, 2008 at 5:21 pmAll this hubbub over a library for the only book he has ever been seen reading. “My Pet Goat“. As to his papers, lots of paper with black lines through the text is no gift to history.
July 19th, 2008 at 6:33 pmDidn’t they hire the same group that did exhibits for The Creation Science Museum in Kentucky? Bush’s library should be right next door. A stop off at the nearby Kentucky Derby Museum would provide one more opportunity to see a horse’s arse.
July 19th, 2008 at 6:34 pmdbadass
I’m sitting in my shorts in front of the AC and thinking about visiting Machu Pichu, where it is now winter! Thank you for asking, yes it is HOT here.
Between hotter weather and rising seas I’d be wary of any investment in Florida real estate for a few decades. However, Florida might be a good place to locate the new devices (yet to be invented to the best of my knowledge)that convert tidal energy and sunlight into electricty.
July 19th, 2008 at 6:41 pmThis will be the most redacted PrezIsADunce Lieberry in history.
Admission is a big bribe to the MIC (Military Industrial Complex trolls) and the RePugniScum Party of the Corrupt!
July 19th, 2008 at 6:49 pmPerhaps a way out of this impasse would be to relocate the Bush library to San Francisco, where it could be known as the George W. Bush Sewage Plant Annex.
July 19th, 2008 at 7:15 pm“Jeannie Trevino-Teddlie asked the judicial council to examine SMU’s leasing of the land below market value for the public policy institute, which is part of the presidential library complex.”
By leasing the land below market value, the Methodist Church is subsidizing/supporting a political position. Isn’t that legal grounds for cancelling their tax-exempt status?
A couple of years ago, the IRS try to revoke a Pasadena church’s tax-exempt status for a lot less.
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cd:
Methodists sound like some real good folks.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
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Folks are going to think you’re getting soft, dbadass. ;)
July 19th, 2008 at 7:41 pmIf you had a pretty little campus, would you want a huge nasty bush stuck in the middle of it.
July 19th, 2008 at 7:53 pmI really appreciate the Methodists who are fighting this. However I will be very surprised if they can successfully fight the money and political power of people like Ray Hunt.
There will be nothing of historical significance about the library unless one considers a monument filled with propaganda a footnote to history. The “institute” will be a disgrace. SMU’s reputation will be on par with Oral Roberts Univ.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:18 pmI would never even consider visiting a library dedicated to a person who probably never set foot in one.
July 19th, 2008 at 8:55 pmupright left Says:
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cd:
Methodists sound like some real good folks.
July 19th, 2008 at 4:20 pm
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Folks are going to think you’re getting soft, dbadass. ;)
Ask any cannibal you are willing to list,
July 19th, 2008 at 8:58 pmWhat’s the best missionary, Methodist.
State of the Division: Thanks for the link for Hunt. Oilman. Says it all.
I especially like their insistance that he is such a fine businessman and philanthropist without giving even one example other than his Oil contacts.
$$$$$$$$$
July 19th, 2008 at 9:14 pmNow what exactly is the deal with Lutherans? Our clan had that thing going for awhile but my folks generation sort of dropped the ball what with moms quaker conversion and all
July 20th, 2008 at 1:50 pmdbadass Says:
Now how are Methodists different from the rest of the sects again?
Methodists are Baptists who can read.
July 20th, 2008 at 2:47 pmBush would not be presidential, but dictatorial. A presidential library? Perhaps in Saudi Arabia.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/busharabia.html
And if such a library is erected in the U.S., it will be under constant attack by those who value the truth and democracy.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/erosion_along_the_tigris.html
No to a library. Yes to prosecution.
July 20th, 2008 at 4:39 pmSMU’S reputation gets dragged down into the muck of society. There is no way that I could ever visit or think about SMU without thinking about Bush The War Criminal. Bush the worst president in American history, and his stinkin’ library on the same campus as SMU. This really sucks.
July 20th, 2008 at 11:07 pmCould someone tell me how the above news fits with this?
Methodists reject …
What is the hierarchy of the church and university?
July 20th, 2008 at 11:23 pmSilly Southern Methodists and their Silly lieberry for a fascist war criminal.
July 22nd, 2008 at 11:02 am