Comments on: Fineman: Bush is pushing for a McCain administration to ‘cover over’ the misdeeds of his presidency. http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 02:42:48 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: nycbassist http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-2/#comment-5111604 nycbassist Thu, 24 Jul 2008 21:16:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5111604 Hi Katy. Thanks, but I understood what was meant. I was just implying that I really feel that it was George H.W. Bush who was in control for most of the Reagan Presidency. It's not really all that significant a point, though. Hi Katy. Thanks, but I understood what was meant. I was just implying that I really feel that it was George H.W. Bush who was in control for most of the Reagan Presidency. It’s not really all that significant a point, though.

]]> By: ctcadguy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-2/#comment-5103814 ctcadguy Tue, 22 Jul 2008 14:04:26 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5103814 Screw Fineman and all the Main Stream Media for not exposing the fascist war criminals. They are complicit in many crimes against humanity. Zionists and hard core neo-cons own the Main Steam Media. Screw Fineman and all the Main Stream Media for not exposing the fascist war criminals.

They are complicit in many crimes against humanity.

Zionists and hard core neo-cons own the Main Steam Media.

]]> By: kasinca http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-2/#comment-5102964 kasinca Mon, 21 Jul 2008 22:22:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102964 <em>John Kerry Says: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Howard Fineman?? You mean the former gray haired lib?? Yep, Howard knows everything that George Bush thinks!! Oh yeah!</em> ----------------------------------------------------------- That is easy to figure, John. Dubya is the head of a crime family. Most Americans, 72%, realize that Dubya thinks of his thugs and his crimes. That 28% is not very reliable because they were stupid enough to put a chimpanzee in the WH twice. John Kerry Says:
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Howard Fineman?? You mean the former gray haired lib??

Yep, Howard knows everything that George Bush thinks!! Oh yeah!
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That is easy to figure, John. Dubya is the head of a crime family. Most Americans, 72%, realize that Dubya thinks of his thugs and his crimes. That 28% is not very reliable because they were stupid enough to put a chimpanzee in the WH twice.

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-2/#comment-5102878 katy Mon, 21 Jul 2008 21:45:54 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102878 nycbassist - read it again... i was confused the first time i read it... it sounded backwards: "You want cover over your two terms with a third term, the way Ronald Reagan did with George H.W. Bush." but, in other words: You [reagan] want cover over your two terms [reagan] with a third term [h.w.bush]... nycbassist – read it again… i was confused the first time i read it… it sounded backwards:

“You want cover over your two terms with a third term, the way Ronald Reagan did with George H.W. Bush.”

but, in other words:

You [reagan] want cover over your two terms [reagan] with a third term [h.w.bush]…

]]> By: nycbassist http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102748 nycbassist Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:50:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102748 #47.. Please tell me you're not the great jazz DJ from Seattle. I love his radio show and would like to go on respecting him. #47.. Please tell me you’re not the great jazz DJ from Seattle. I love his radio show and would like to go on respecting him.

]]> By: nycbassist http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102740 nycbassist Mon, 21 Jul 2008 20:48:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102740 "the way Ronald Reagan did with George H.W. Bush" is in error. What he meant to say was "The way vice-president George H.W. Bush did with President H.W. Bush." Ronald Reagan, in my opinion, really didn't know about the arms for hostages deal.. oh, but Bush Senior and all of the names who, remarkably are STILL here imbedded in our government, were planting the seeds of this neo-con facism that we are experiencing today. And believe me, they may not get in this term.. but they're far from done. They have an agenda. “the way Ronald Reagan did with George H.W. Bush” is in error. What he meant to say was “The way vice-president George H.W. Bush did with President H.W. Bush.” Ronald Reagan, in my opinion, really didn’t know about the arms for hostages deal.. oh, but Bush Senior and all of the names who, remarkably are STILL here imbedded in our government, were planting the seeds of this neo-con facism that we are experiencing today. And believe me, they may not get in this term.. but they’re far from done. They have an agenda.

]]> By: dbadass http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102610 dbadass Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:53:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102610 Hi Jim... Hi Jim…

]]> By: katy http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102522 katy Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:23:03 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102522 does anyone remember the TP story about the bush family's preference for romney as the repug prez nominee? he WILL be the v.p. "choice", the mcFAUST (great!) running mate... cause the repugs, they gotta show SOME respect to the old flyboy... he won't last long though, and the mitt can take over the "duties"... heard richard vigery (sp?) earlier on ed... he says it's mitt too... just some thoughts... does anyone remember the TP story about the bush family’s preference for romney as the repug prez nominee?

he WILL be the v.p. “choice”, the mcFAUST (great!) running mate…

cause the repugs, they gotta show SOME respect to the old flyboy… he won’t last long though, and the mitt can take over the “duties”…

heard richard vigery (sp?) earlier on ed… he says it’s mitt too…

just some thoughts…

]]> By: Linus http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102498 Linus Mon, 21 Jul 2008 19:15:34 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102498 Re #24: <blockquote>btruthful Says: I hold Pelosi responsible for Bush. She’s had a 1 1/2 to remove this man from office.</blockquote> Not quite. She's had the time to impeach Bush, true. But successful impeachment (aka indictment) is only half of it. The next is the actual trial -- in the Senate!! How do you think that vote would go? Re #24:

btruthful Says: I hold Pelosi responsible for Bush. She’s had a 1 1/2 to remove this man from office.

Not quite. She’s had the time to impeach Bush, true. But successful impeachment (aka indictment) is only half of it. The next is the actual trial — in the Senate!! How do you think that vote would go?

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102466 misshusseinmolly Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:59:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102466 I thought I'd take a look at the historical scorecard for the aftermath of scandal-ridden presidencies. The two cases that truly stand out are Harding and Nixon. When Harding died in 1923, he was still very popular with the American people, and Teapot Dome was only just starting to come out. When Coolidge took office, he didn't ask for the resignation of any of Harding's cabinet officers -- believing that the American people had voted for a Harding administration, and so he would keep things the way they were, at least until the end of the term. However, he didn't obstruct the Teapot Dome investigations and trials, allowing justice to take its course. When Nixon left office in disgrace, he was replaced with a "good guy" veep -- someone untainted with scandal, just as when Harding was replaced by Coolidge. But Ford "pardoned" Nixon, thereby ending the Watergate affair. Why? Ford could have just wanted to remove an obvious distraction from his presidency, or maybe he made a deal before becoming veep, or maybe he just thought everybody was tired of the whole thing. Whatever the reason, he wasn't elected in 1976, and many scholars believe that his pardon of Nixon was a significant factor. So what would McCain or Obama do if elected? Issue pardons and attempt to make the whole thing go away -- a la Ford? Sit back and allow the natural course of justice to take place unimpeded, a la Coolidge? Or actively press for a full accounting of Bushco activities, saying no one is above the law -- a la nobody so far? It remains to be seen, of course. I suspect that McCain will aid with covering up "for the good of the party". Obama will probably be all about "moving forward" unless the Congress we elect this November has other ideas. I thought I’d take a look at the historical scorecard for the aftermath of scandal-ridden presidencies. The two cases that truly stand out are Harding and Nixon.

When Harding died in 1923, he was still very popular with the American people, and Teapot Dome was only just starting to come out. When Coolidge took office, he didn’t ask for the resignation of any of Harding’s cabinet officers — believing that the American people had voted for a Harding administration, and so he would keep things the way they were, at least until the end of the term. However, he didn’t obstruct the Teapot Dome investigations and trials, allowing justice to take its course.

When Nixon left office in disgrace, he was replaced with a “good guy” veep — someone untainted with scandal, just as when Harding was replaced by Coolidge. But Ford “pardoned” Nixon, thereby ending the Watergate affair. Why? Ford could have just wanted to remove an obvious distraction from his presidency, or maybe he made a deal before becoming veep, or maybe he just thought everybody was tired of the whole thing. Whatever the reason, he wasn’t elected in 1976, and many scholars believe that his pardon of Nixon was a significant factor.

So what would McCain or Obama do if elected? Issue pardons and attempt to make the whole thing go away — a la Ford? Sit back and allow the natural course of justice to take place unimpeded, a la Coolidge? Or actively press for a full accounting of Bushco activities, saying no one is above the law — a la nobody so far?

It remains to be seen, of course. I suspect that McCain will aid with covering up “for the good of the party”. Obama will probably be all about “moving forward” unless the Congress we elect this November has other ideas.

]]> By: Leftside Annie http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102392 Leftside Annie Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:30:56 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102392 McFaust.... McFaust….

]]> By: hanshiro http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102386 hanshiro Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:27:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102386 <em>Fineman: Bush is pushing for a McCain administration to ‘cover over’ the misdeeds of his presidency.</em> Why? Isn't that what "Impeachment of the table" Pelosi, "Telecom immunity" Reid, "Fund the war" Webb and "Yeah, Telecom immunity" Obama are for? Oh, right, bush didn't <em>push</em> them, they just chickened out voluntarily. Obama's a chickensh*t fraud who sold out the Constitution. Fineman: Bush is pushing for a McCain administration to ‘cover over’ the misdeeds of his presidency.

Why? Isn’t that what “Impeachment of the table” Pelosi, “Telecom immunity” Reid, “Fund the war” Webb and “Yeah, Telecom immunity” Obama are for? Oh, right, bush didn’t push them, they just chickened out voluntarily.

Obama’s a chickensh*t fraud who sold out the Constitution.

]]> By: 5th Estate http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102366 5th Estate Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:18:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102366 Ann Gunnuntes : <em>I called Waxman’s office on Friday, and was told that a “president” CANNOT pardon HIMSELF. As well as pardoning those who are covering for HIS CRIMINAL activity (i.e. HIGH CRIMES). If issued, they can be OVERTURNED.</em> The trick is in the <strong>overturning</strong>. Bush Sr. pardoned Cap. Weinberger for his Iran- Contra involvement, even though Weinberger<strong> hadn't even been </strong><em>indicted</em>et alone <em>convicted --ergo the "pardon" was invalid, but it was nonetheless allowed to 'pass'. Weinberger had all the dirt on Bush's deep involvement in Iran-Contra of course so the 'pardon' was supposed to bounce-back as it were on Bush himself. By the time Clinton got into power any re-examination of Iran-Contra was a low priority and by the next mid-term elections the GOP took the Congress and the opportunity to learn the truth was lost. If the Dems take overwhelming control of COngress this time around, may be we will see some serious accountability, but I'm not holding my breath.</em> Ann Gunnuntes : I called Waxman’s office on Friday, and was told that a “president” CANNOT pardon HIMSELF.

As well as pardoning those who are covering for HIS CRIMINAL activity (i.e. HIGH CRIMES). If issued, they can be OVERTURNED.

The trick is in the overturning.

Bush Sr. pardoned Cap. Weinberger for his Iran- Contra involvement, even though Weinberger hadn’t even been indictedet alone convicted –ergo the “pardon” was invalid, but it was nonetheless allowed to ‘pass’. Weinberger had all the dirt on Bush’s deep involvement in Iran-Contra of course so the ‘pardon’ was supposed to bounce-back as it were on Bush himself.
By the time Clinton got into power any re-examination of Iran-Contra was a low priority and by the next mid-term elections the GOP took the Congress and the opportunity to learn the truth was lost.

If the Dems take overwhelming control of COngress this time around, may be we will see some serious accountability, but I’m not holding my breath.

]]> By: Hussein McCain http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102362 Hussein McCain Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:17:47 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102362 J. Kerry, you're quite a stinker with those shit and run tactics. J. Kerry, you’re quite a stinker with those shit and run tactics.

]]> By: Hussein McCain http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102352 Hussein McCain Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:14:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102352 McCain 08 Just Lay Back and Enjoy It McCain 08
Just Lay Back and Enjoy It

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102350 MapleStreet Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:12:25 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102350 I see 2 possibilities for a demo administration: a) continue the "cone of silence" used by Pelosi et al - in which case, the facts will come out slowly and prolong the pain. OR b) Open the curtains and let the sunshine in and take care of the problems quickly. I see 2 possibilities for a demo administration: a) continue the “cone of silence” used by Pelosi et al – in which case, the facts will come out slowly and prolong the pain. OR b) Open the curtains and let the sunshine in and take care of the problems quickly.

]]> By: alphainfinityomega http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102348 alphainfinityomega Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:11:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102348 <em>Someone hijacked btruthful's name. Comment by Zooey</em> ROTFLMAO !! <strong>¶ AIO</strong> Someone hijacked btruthful’s name.
Comment by Zooey

ROTFLMAO !!

¶ AIO

]]> By: MCMetal http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102338 MCMetal Mon, 21 Jul 2008 18:07:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102338 <i>Shayne Says: -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Why do you think McCain is spending the day with Bush Sr. and his financial backers? July 21st, 2008 at 1:50 pm </i> They're exchanging proper Depends etiquette......... Shayne Says:
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Why do you think McCain is spending the day with Bush Sr. and his financial backers?

July 21st, 2008 at 1:50 pm

They’re exchanging proper Depends etiquette………

]]> By: Shayne http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102288 Shayne Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:50:28 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102288 Why do you think McCain is spending the day with Bush Sr. and his financial backers? Why do you think McCain is spending the day with Bush Sr. and his financial backers?

]]> By: Max-1 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/comment-page-1/#comment-5102278 Max-1 Mon, 21 Jul 2008 17:48:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/21/fineman-bush-is-pushing-for-a-mccain-administration-to-cover-over-the-misdeeds-of-his-presidency/#comment-5102278 . When I watched this yesterday, I thought Howard Fineman was very astute at pointing out what guilt looks like... ... Get some other "dog" to crap in the yard to cover the stench left behind by the turds of the current pit bull. . .

When I watched this yesterday, I thought Howard Fineman was very astute at pointing out what guilt looks like…
… Get some other “dog” to crap in the yard to cover the stench left behind by the turds of the current pit bull.

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