Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post Publishes McCain’s Rejected, Error-Filled Op-Ed
Rupert Murdoch’s New York Post Publishes McCain’s Rejected, Error-Filled Op-Ed
The New York Times editorial staff recently rejected an op-ed by Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), which responded to a one published last week by Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL). The Times said Obama’s article “worked” because it offered “new information” and that they would be “pleased” to “look at another draft” from McCain.
While the Times wanted something “new” from McCain, the New York Post — owned by Rupert Murdoch — has no problem republishing McCain campaign talking points — even if they’re not totally accurate. Today, the Post published McCain’s rejected article in its entirety. From McCain’s Post op-ed:
In 2007, he wanted to withdraw because he thought the war was lost. If we’d taken his advice, the war would have been lost. Now he wants to withdraw because he thinks Iraqis no longer need our assistance.
To make this point, he mangles the evidence. He makes it sound as if Maliki has endorsed his timetable – when the Iraqi prime minister has merely said that he’d like a plan for the eventual withdrawal of US troops at some unspecified future point.
The inconvenient truth for McCain’s piece is that Maliki (and more recently his spokesman) did endorse Obama’s timetable in a recent interview with Der Spiegel:
“US presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about 16 months. That, we think, would be the right timeframe for a withdrawal, with the possibility of slight changes.”
But McCain didn’t stop there, offering a baseless attack on Obama, claiming that he “doesn’t want to hear” what “the commanders on the ground” in Iraq “have to say.” Obama heard what they had to say just yesterday.
Naturally, the right wing is outraged that the “liberal” New York Times rejected McCain’s op-ed, falsely claiming that its decision is unprecedented. Lucky for them…there’s always Rupert Murdoch.
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Oops. I just posted the full text of McCain;s op-ed on the previous thread—without comment because there’s so much crap in it.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:12 pmI’m sure that Daryll, et. al. will be applauding the ‘fair and balanced’ approach of the Post…
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:13 pmI mean the ‘NYT Rejects’ thread, not the ‘Axis of Evil’ one
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:14 pminteresting piece.
i’ve changed my mind.
i’m voting for obama.
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thank you rupert.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 12:16 pmRupert Murdoch’s New York Post Publishes it, then it’s has to be filled with truth and facts…..I just threw up in my mouth a bit.
Superstitious Fool Daryll will be on any second praising this POS.
Really, Daryll, go to your closet and flog yourself for about an hour or so, wash away your sins….LOL
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:18 pmRepeat Murderer shills for McCain?
Oh my, didn’t see that coming.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 pmSo now the NY Post is admitting to publishing NYT rejects?
Great standards, there.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:19 pmThank you for the lovely gift, Mr Murdoch. It’s not even my birthday!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:20 pmBuckie, I think the technical term is “Shaking the Devil off”.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:20 pmThe New York Post, as usual, is fulfilling its duty to its benefactors in the Republican Party.
While no newspaper is obligated to give free space to candidates for self-promotion, and the NYT knows that, the Post has no problem acting as McCain’s PR firm.
The Times told McCain exactly what they ought to have, and exactly what the country will tell him in November.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 pmYeah, Buckie, that pathetic “human” labeled Darryl has waiting for him in hell a pinneapple — to be administered up the arse by Satan himself.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 pmI’ve seen more in depth works by three-year-olds.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:21 pmanyone see Pickens pitchin his windmill strategy? seems he knows a lil more about econommics and energy then obama and mccain
pickens windmill tycoon
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:22 pmNot sure Rupert actually did McCain any favors publishing this. The events of the last few days just document how incorrect McCain is on the keystone issue of his campaign. He’ll be spending more time on damage control. Thanks Rupert!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:23 pmIn 2007, he wanted to withdraw because he thought the war was lost.
What, exactly, did the US win?
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:24 pmThis is awesome!!! It adds to McCain’s “doddering old fool” persona.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:27 pmI guess when you have about 1/2 of the circulation of your competitor, you have to scrape the bottom to get something that you 23%ers will buy.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 pmObama should pull all the troops out sooner, heck with the middle east. Let Iraq fall apart sooner than later and less of our GIs losing their lives while they do it.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 pmAfter reading this hit piece, I think the NYT did the right thing. And Murdoch’s rag is a more appropriate place for this tripe.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:29 pmDear John McCain:
If you can read this, you’re too close (to reality)… Thanks for demanding that Senator Obama visit the Middle East. Obama is looking, sounding and acting very Presidential, while you, on the other hand, seem to be just a nasty cranky senile old fart.
Yours truly.
James K. Sayre
P. S. please define “victory in Iraq” so we can understand what exactly you are trying to say. It would seem to be that the Iraqi people will have a historic victory when they can eject all the foreign occupiers (mostly us) from their sovereign country.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:31 pmLet Iraq fall apart sooner than later and less of our GIs losing their lives while they do it.
Thanks, for admitting that Iraq will fall apart, no matter what we do. That’s McCain’s “great victory?”
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:32 pmIsn’t Rupert Murdoch a foreigner?
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:34 pmMcCain is just as dumb as Bush but an even worse politician. But hey, with seven houses and a wife with boatloads of cash, at least he’s not elitist.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 pmdandbrew Says that he’s an idiot.
Same stupid troll, different day and name, get off your mom’s computer kid, she is going to be real mad with the cheeto stains on the keyboard.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:36 pmdandruff is leaving behind his flakes.
What’s the matter, was the ass kicking too much for you on the preceding thread?
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:41 pmNotice McCain’s hand? I thought his injuries were so severe, he couldn’t raise his arms above his shoulders.
But what about these:
http://images.google.com/images?gbv=2&ndsp=20&hl=en&q=john+mccain&start=40&sa=N
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:41 pmThat picture reminds me someone… oh, yes, the man of Netol, an old brand of metal polisher in Spain:
http://perso.wanadoo.es/ignacio122/html/p_netol.html
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:46 pmBuckie Boy – did I say anyone was an idiot? I don’t think so.
McWars – that’s McDandbruff to you! McRidiculous you McAhole!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pmHmmm. Perhaps they should republish McLoser’s piece in the World News Daily, right next to the articles about Batboy and aliens abducting pretty blonde white girls.
That would reach a lot more of their targeted audience.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pmWell then he’s finally right about something.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:47 pmThis is my favorite part:
“Sen. Obama seems to have learned nothing from recent history. Indeed, he’s emulating the worst mistake of the Bush administration by waving the “Mission Accomplished” banner prematurely.
I’m dismayed that he never talks about winning the war – only of ending it.”
So Obama is wrong for claiming mission accomplished and also because he never talks about winning the war?
Genius.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:48 pmHis injuries are only bad enough to earn him $58k a year in disability.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:49 pmYou know, for being all “peace, love and drugs”, you guys are a pretty viscous crowd!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pmdandbrew is so stupid he did not know that the “dandbrew Says that he’s an idiot.” was about him and not McSame….oh, man, that good old home schooling sure pays off.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pmHey dandbrew, why don’t you go Cheney yourself.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pmtrolls,
where do they come from?
frustrated young republicans.
so sad.
:)
thank you.
@
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:51 pmAnyone who lives or has lived in New York will tell ya that the New York Post is just barely a notch above the supermarket tabloids that headline ‘three-headed alien babies being born to unsuspecting women.’ But I think they may have edged out the Enquirer with this one…
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:52 pm“Viscous,” dandbrew? Viscous – as in thick and gooey?
Ooooh, I’m terribly insulted. HAHAHAHAHAH!!!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pmdandbrew Says:
Yeah we’re viscous, dumba$$. Better get a dictionary because spell check is failing you.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pmYeah, well, that’s what happens when you rely on stereotypes to form your world view.
I’m guessing most of the stereotypes you cling to about “The Left” aren’t quite so benign as that one, however.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:53 pmdandbrew Says:
You know, for being all “peace, love and drugs”, you guys are a pretty viscous crowd!
time to go to
your ‘A’ material?
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we hope’s it’s funny.
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good luck.
@
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 pmaw, you guys catch me in a typo? yea, you guys rock!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 pmMcCain’s editorial is in the same issue with Britney Spears blowing smoke and giving parenting lessons. How symbolic as both are managed public personas with pathological underpinnings. The cajun and the ragin
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:54 pmJoe Cantwell, the question is are they frustrated because they’re Republicans or are they Republicans because they’re frustrated?
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:55 pmTypo? You used the wrong word and don’t even understand when we try to explain it to you. We’re not running a preschools here Einstein.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pmdandbrew Says:
You know, for being all “peace, love and drugs”, you guys are a pretty viscous crowd!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm
vis·cous: (v?s’k?s) adj.
1. Having relatively high resistance to flow.
2. Viscid; sticky.
Yep, sounds like us.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:56 pmyou guys are a pretty viscous crowd!
If by viscous, you mean alcohol-saturated, then, yeah. Only on the weekends, mind you.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 pmdandbrew Says:
aw, you guys catch me in a typo? yea, you guys rock!
that’s it?
that’s all you’ve got?
!!!!!
*
try again.
google.
get help.
$
you can do better
than that.
@
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 pmAh, Shayne hits on the age-old “chicken or the egg” debate with conservatives.
Let’s just say it’s a self-sustaining loop.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 pmviscous – yep, sounds like a word used in your gay pride parades.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:57 pmWhy would peace and love be displayed toward any member of the reich?
BTW, DNA from saliva collected on Fred Thompson’s wanker matched that of ‘dandbrew’.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:58 pmShayne Says:
Joe Cantwell, the question is are they frustrated because they’re Republicans or are they Republicans because they’re frustrated?
let’s ask dandrewl.
?
he’s trying to be funny today.
which is funny.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pmAre you sure he can? He seems “challenged”?
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pmOT, sorry, or maybe not…Democracy now just sent me an up date…Less than 2 week’s after congress granted immunety to the telacom’s they are investing big buck’s in the DNC convention for display and bag’s of goodie’s…How very appropiate, look’s like my old party figured out how to play with the big boy’s..To bad the constitution and people lost while they played the game….Moving right along….Blessings
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pmIt always cracks me up when these “tough guy” right-wingers come around with the weird idea that liberals are soft and easy to bully. Then, they immediately start whining about how mean we are as soon as they get the snot beat out of them.
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:59 pmdandbrew Says:
viscous – yep, sounds like a word used in your gay pride parades.
LoL – Oh, man this guy is sharp, what wit, wooo, can’t match this one.
Log Cabin Repulicans
Since when did the left be the only ones that support gays?
Idiot
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:01 pmOh no, you’re implying we’d go to a gay pride parade, who do you think you’re talking to the rednecks in your family or your neighbors at the trailer park? So your “insult challenged” as well, idiot.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pmdandbrew Says:
viscous – yep, sounds like a word used in your gay pride parades.
you should know.
you’re the grand marshall
for your log cabin republicans parade.
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and we don’t want hear how
you achieved the honor.
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thank you.
^
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pmdandbrew Says:
You know, for being all “peace, love and drugs”, you guys are a pretty viscous crowd!
July 22nd, 2008 at 12:50 pm Recommend (0) | Report Abuse
Oh, so you want love and drugs? Try Rush Limbaugh, he loves Oxycontin, but you can only have sex with him if you’re underage. Your posts hint it, but probably you’re a children trapped in a middle aged, fat, body.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:02 pmshoeless – I’m not afraid of your guy’s liberal website. I do have to hand it to you guys for not “reporting abuse” on me.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pmDandbrew doesn’t know what DNA is, that’s why he married his sister.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Ah, Shayne hits on the age-old “chicken or the egg” debate with conservatives.
Or perhaps the old “nature or nurture” one…
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pmdandbrew Says:
I do have to hand it to you guys for not “reporting abuse” on me.
That’s because you are doing your side a great honor….making us laugh.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:04 pmWhy do right-wing Republicans hate American owned newspapers and love newspapers owned by foreigners?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
The New York times would have happily published John’s piece if he kindly included some national security secrets. We know how the Times loves to print those secrets.
they didn’t publish your picture,
did they?
and that’s a BIG secret.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 1:06 pmThe New York times would have happily published John’s piece if he kindly included some national security secrets. We know how the Times loves to print those secrets.
As much as the Washington Postloved publishing the Pentagon papers, and blew the lid off. You’re arguing for less reportage? Move to Russia, comrade.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:07 pmShayne – yea, I’m just a dumb dumb. Thanks for pointing it out Mr. Genius. What else do you know about me?..or do you have any real topics up your sleeve?
Maybe you can catch me in another typo and you girls can giggle about it some more.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pmdandbrew Says:
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shoeless – I’m not afraid of your guy’s liberal website.
Then why were you whining about how mean we are? You sounded very afraid.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:08 pmshoeless Says:
Why do right-wing Republicans hate American owned newspapers and love newspapers owned by foreigners?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:05 pm
I think they’re in love with old, wrinkled b@stards. Well, I’d say I prefer women in their twenties or thirties. Heck, any woman over MurDog
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pmdandbrew Says:
shoeless – I’m not afraid of your guy’s liberal website. I do have to hand it to you guys for not “reporting abuse” on me.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:03 pm
Hees not afwaid. Burly boy not afwaid of libs.
Hey dandruff — when we want credit from you, we’ll shove it between your two leftover thanksgiving rolls with a ten foot stick.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pmdandbrew Says:
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Shayne – yea, I’m just a dumb dumb. Thanks for pointing it out Mr. Genius.
C’mon dumb dumb. Surely, Shayne isn’t the first person to have pointed it out.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:11 pmWhy are right wingers always such pansy little frightened cowards?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:12 pmdandbrew Says:
Shayne – yea, I’m just a dumb dumb. Thanks for pointing it out Mr. Genius. What else do you know about me?..or do you have any real topics up your sleeve?
Maybe you can catch me in another typo and you girls can giggle about it some more.
that “typo” thing really
has you upset.
why is that?
#
how old were you when
you were potty trained?
was your father a strict
disciplinarian?
help is only a phone call away.
$
good luck.
@
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pmRantingTommy = who you calling a coward? I come to this website, and I see all you cowards cuddling together.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pmjoe cantwell Says:
“trolls,
where do they come from?”
The “rejected” pile from Regents University’s Admissions Dept?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pmI’m calling YOU and all you right wingers cowards for thinking that AMERICA is too weak to defeat a bunch of thug criminal terrorists without resorting to war.
You’re so damned scared of gays, blacks, arabs, and anything else bill and sean and rush tell you to fear that you support politicians that sell you out and terrorize you with propaganda.
You are weak, cowardly, and do not deserve to live in the land of the free and home of the brave.
Terrorism only works on the terrified, you pansy.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:17 pmRantingTommy Says:
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Why are right wingers always such pansy little frightened cowards?
I suspect they were all abused physically, mentally, sexually, or all of the above by their fathers or some other authoritarian figure when they were children. That is why the seek authoritarian leaders, and it also explains why they wet their pants everytime their cynical totalitarian idols scare them with propaganda.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:18 pmdandbrew Says:
RantingTommy = who you calling a coward? I come to this website, and I see all you cowards cuddling together.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:13 pm
Oooh, such a manly man! He enters in a blog, insults everybody from post one, and now whines like a piggie when everybody returns him some “compliments”. Well, let me explain this little truth to you: your attitude doesn’t make you manly, but childish.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:19 pmThat makes some sense, shoeless, but I don’t think it explains ALL of them.
I think it is an ignorance-fear cycle. Their fear is bred from ignorance.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:19 pmRantingTommy – so, it’s up to you to decide who lives in America? Nice…
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:20 pmdandbrew:
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:22 pmWhat’s up?
dandbrew Says:
RantingTommy = who you calling a coward? I come to this website, and I see all you cowards cuddling together.
so, you have no friends
and you feel alone,
is that it?
#
two words:
get help.
@
thank you.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 1:22 pmI didn’t insult everyone. Just those throwing names at me.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:22 pmI read Mccain’s op-ed in another blog yesterday.
The New York Times actually did McCain a huge favor by refusing to print it as it was written. He would have been better off revising his fact-challenged little attack piece. The one error that jumped at me was his distorting of Maliki’s endorsement of a troop withdrawal from his country sooner rather than later.
But, arrogant jerk that McCain is, he refused to even think his op-ed needed amending.
The rest of the rightwing blowhards don’t fare any better: How do they know Obama’s piece wasn’t originally rejected too?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:23 pmseriously guys, you guys throw insults at me left and right, I respond, and you call me a troll?
ok, I promise to talk real issues from hear on out, feel free to call me whatever.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:24 pmY’all be sure to wash your hands after playing with the trolls and their droppings.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 pmdandbrew Says:
I didn’t insult everyone. Just those throwing names at me.
no one’s accusing you.
you have a right to your anger.
get in touch with your inner dandrewl.
&
watch the typos.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 1:25 pmDander is just mad because I sound so much like his mother she’s the one who usually calls him dumb.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:27 pmdandbrew Says:
seriously guys, you guys throw insults at me left and right, I respond, and you call me a troll?
ok, I promise to talk real issues from hear on out, feel free to call me whatever.
watch the typos.
#
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:27 pmI was going to drop in and deliver a few whacks to the troll, but you guys seem to have beaten all the stuffing out of him already.
Thanks a lot.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:32 pmOh Dandy, you mistook us for people who give a cr#p what you have to say. Sorry for the misunderstanding, we only converse with people who have IQs over 80. If you had that you’d be a Democrat.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:33 pmralph, there’s always room for one more.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:34 pmRantingTommy Says:
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That makes some sense, shoeless, but I don’t think it explains ALL of them.
I think it is an ignorance-fear cycle. Their fear is bred from ignorance.
Absolutely, we see it here everyday, as ignorance/fear is an essential trait of any right-winger. The hard thing to figure out is whether the ignorance of any given right-winger is due to mental limitations, laziness, or whether their ignorance is willful.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:38 pmNow, now, Ralph — we have to play nicely and *share* the trolls here, don’t we?
There are plenty of trolls for everyone. If we whack this one, another will soon appear. Just be patient!
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:39 pmWhat did you expect from totalitarian central?
http://www.light-to-dark.com/ruperts_black_house.html
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pmdisclaimer – I’m a troll, I mistype some words, I hate gays, blacks, arabs, and I have a really low IQ. Am I missing anything, or can we talk about the real subject.
1) can we all agree that NYT leans left?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:43 pmReally Ralph. You didn’t miss much anyway. This one was even wimpier than most. It didn’t take long at all for him to start whining about how mean we are. And now he just wants to be loved by the mean ol’ liberals.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:45 pmdandbrew Says:
disclaimer – I’m a troll, I mistype some words, I hate gays, blacks, arabs, and I have a really low IQ. Am I missing anything, or can we talk about the real subject.
1) can we all agree that Fox leans right?
fly in the ointment.
i fixed it for you.
you’re welcome.
#
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:47 pmIt is time, once again, to send our emails demanding better moderation of this site. Every single thread is tainted by troll dung.
See you folks after the purge, or when our trolls get put down. For nappy time.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:48 pmdandbrew Says:
1) can we all agree that NYT leans left?
No. The New York Times is and always has been a Centrist newspaper. Over the last seven years or so it has bent over backward not to look liberal, and has been the buttboy for the Bush administration. Look at coverage in the newspaper during the runup to the Iraq invasion for an answer to your question.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:48 pmdandbrew, other than the NYT what other media organizations do you think lean left? Which do you think lean right? Which do you think are in the center?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 pmdandbrew Says:
1) can we all agree that NYT leans left?
Is that why they uncritically printed every lie Bush gave them when they became the head cheerleader in the run up to the Iraq War?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:50 pmJohn McCain is a lousy speaker, and whom ever wrote this op-ed is a lousy writer. I believe a high school english teacher would give this a C-! Too much whinning! No inspiration! C’mon McCain! you’re an old man! It’s time to go sit on the porch at one of your 8 ranches! In his next life, he going to come back as an angry 12 year old girl!
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 pmdandbrew Says:
1) can we all agree that NYT leans left?
Is that why they uncritically printed every lie Bush gave them when they became the head cheerleader in the run up to the Iraq War?
And hired that broken crystal ball! Left indeed!
I wonder if a neocon who is naturally left handed is forced to switch hand?
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:53 pmgummitch Says:
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dandbrew Says:
1) can we all agree that NYT leans left?
No. The New York Times is and always has been a Centrist newspaper. Over the last seven years or so it has bent over backward not to look liberal, and has been the buttboy for the Bush administration.
I’ll never understand why they do that. As you can see, they never even get any credit from the right-wingers they are trying to appease.
July 22nd, 2008 at 1:56 pmdandbrew?
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:13 pmWhile you guys trade juinor high barbs with each other, our elected officials make out like bandits. Witch1 shared how generous those telecoms our with the Democratic National Convention. Is it a tit-for-tat for just passed telecom immunity?
I suggest people peruse the Sunday and Monday posts of ThinkProgress and consider the other high dollar muckety mucks they let off the hook. They include:
Ex-White House economic adviser Al Hubbard saying spoiled Americans gorge on “medical caviar”
Rev. Pat Robertson preaching Israel has “no choice but to attack Iran’s nuclear enrichment facilities”, likely before election day. (Update: Amanda Terkel is pouring through tape to confirm what I heard this morning, so this story could soon be posted)
The Honorable Peter G. Peterson’s $1 billion foundation (designed to cut Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid) awarded grants allowing American CEO’s to reform health care and teach college kids about shared sacrifice. (Not on the curriculum, the preferred tax status of private equity underwriters like Mr. Peterson, something he doesn’t want to sacrifice.)
House Republicans and Blue Dog Democrats caucus around the banner of deficit reduction. Pete Peterson attended their first joint session. Did the topic of carried interest come up?
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:26 pmHere’s a link to Witch1’s information:
http://www.democracynow.org/2008/7/22/whos_paying_for_the_conventions_corporate
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:30 pmGee, thanks for the heartfelt advice Nettles. How does it feel to be a 25% deadender in a political party headed for the scrapheap of history?
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:35 pmNaturally, the right wing is outraged that the “liberal” New York Times rejected McCain’s op-ed, falsely claiming that its decision is unprecedented. Lucky for them…there’s always Rupert Murdoch.
If they had any sense at all they’d realize that the New York Times did them a favor by not publishing McCain’s assinine remarks.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:41 pmshoeless Says:
Gee, thanks for the heartfelt advice Nettles. How does it feel to be a 25% deadender in a political party headed for the scrapheap of history?
poor nettles.
i almost feel sorry for him.
^
almost.
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it’s not a political party, btw.
it’s the john birch society.
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July 22nd, 2008 at 2:45 pmdandbrew:
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:54 pmI wasn’t a media major but if so why do I keep hearing about an alledged liberal bias?
Hi Jim
July 22nd, 2008 at 2:58 pmTHE POST IS A RAG!
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:02 pmJim Wilke:
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:03 pmWhat about education, labor unions, and the entertainment industries? Real Liberal bias there?
Jim Wilke:
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:10 pmI don’t mean to pester but what do you think regarding those other areas?
Quite appropriate! Garbage belongs with garbage!
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:18 pmWell that’s one newspaper the repugs don’t own.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:26 pmJim, the political ideology of reporters means nothing. The owners, publishers and editors of nearly all mainstream news media are right-wing corporatist Republicans. Those are the people who decide what gets covered, and how it gets covered.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:27 pmmcchimpy has a nerve to act as if he didn’t know he babbles.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:28 pmronguell Says:
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Now he gets it published with much more interest in it and also he exposes another case of media bias.
Did you know that the New York Post is owned by a foreigner?
Why do you hate America?
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:29 pmI see y’all are playing whack the troll.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:36 pmOh I see.
Telling the truth and helping the less fortunate is liberal.
HIDE LIBERALS HIDE!
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:39 pmThanks Jim Wilke:
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:41 pmJust one more question. Do you believe in the invisiable hand and the power of market capitalism? I trust I won’t have to ask the question that comes after that…
118. Jim Wilke Says:
You keep hearing about an “alleged liberal bias” in the media because it is real.
It must be true, because Rush, Sean, and BillO keep hammering that talking point into your dense skulls.
Let’s get the decks cleared once and for all: have the Times stop sending Zev Chafets to do magazine cover stories on Rush Limbaugh and Mike Huckabee; fire David Brooks and William Kristol; and stop giving op-eds to Max Boot, Ross Douthat, James Dobson, Edward Luttwak, Fred Kagan, Paul Bremer, Tunku Varadarajan, Doug Feith, Bruce Barlett, Ann Althouse, The Ole Perfesser, et alia.
http://alicublog.blogspot.com/2008_07_20_archive.html#2199534927850632788
Let’s talk about NewsCorp. Kingdom Holding Company, the financial investing arm of the House of Saud, holds a major position in NewsCorp. How do you like having your opinions influenced by the House of Saud through Faux News?
Prince Alwaleed Received by Rupert Murdoch CEO of News Corporation during Business Luncheon in NY
(5/8/2008)
HRH Prince Alwaleed bin Talal bin Abdulaziz Alsaud, Chairman of Kingdom Holding Company (KHC) was received by Mr. Rupert Murdoch Chairman and CEO of News Corporation (News Corp.) at the company’s headquarters in New York on Friday 9th May, 2008 during a business luncheon. The Prince was accompanied by Mr. PJ Shoucair Executive Director for International Investments and Ms. Heba Fatani, Executive Manager of the Corporate Communications Department from KHC.
The meeting began as Prince Alwaleed and Mr. Murdoch discussed economic and investment issues especially in the media sector and the two discussed Rotana and LBC in which HRH holds a stake. Moreover, the meetings touched upon future potential collaboration with News Corp. In 2005, HRH announced his support for Murdoch by converting KHC’s non-voting shares to voting shares. HRH has a 5.7% (voting shares) in News Corp. and is the second largest individual shareholder in the company through KHC. Earlier this month, Prince Alwaleed who is also the Chairman of Rotana Audiovisual and Mr. Rupert Murdoch formed an alliance to bring Fox Movies to the Arab World through a partnership between Rotana and News Corp.
http://www.kingdom.com.sa/en/MC_PR_NewsDetails.asp?p=3&ID=156
Now you know why Fox never says a bad thing about the country where 15 of the 19 9/11 hijackers came from.
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:45 pmJim Wilke:
July 22nd, 2008 at 3:53 pmSo now that I have laid the premise out for you, might you explain the forces which you think have resulted in the domination of so many aspects of the economy by liberal thought? I have some ideas of my own but I curious about your thoughts
Thanks again-
ronguell Says:
dispite your chilish quacking clueless, the point remains. “Now he gets it published with much more interest in it and also he exposes another case of media bias.”
You might want to read this site more frequently and get an eductaion (as Fox would say), instead of posting uncorroborated opinion from sources who prefer that the facts match the Republican agenda/talking points.
But yesterday on CNN, Center for American Progress Action Fund Senior Vice President and former Clinton Deputy Press Secretary Jennifer Palmieri emphasized that even as a sitting president, Bill Clinton had “many” op-eds rejected by the Times:
When I worked for President Clinton, “The New York Times” rejected many op-eds written by him as a sitting president of the United States. They don’t just give up space to a candidate because their opponent has space. You can’t just go — you can’t go to “The New York Times” editorial page and say I want to say what’s wrong with the other guy. They want to leverage their space, which is very valuable, to force you to say something you haven’t said before. And I think that they turned down McCain not because they like Obama but because McCain, all he was doing in his piece was criticizing Obama and they wanted him to put him on the spot to say more.
http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/22/bolton-nyt-mccain/
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:00 pmJim Wilkes: Says stupid shit.
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:02 pmIt seems the authors of the study were both fellows at the ultra-conservative Heritage Foundation, AEI and the Hoover Institute. Surprise, surprise.
Jim Wilke:
I sort of have to go soon so I’ll give you my ideas. You and others have suggested that the media, education, labor, and entertainment are all liberal leaning. If this is so and market capitalism works via the hand thing then only a few possibilities exist.
1) there are very few folks that don’t lean left and thus by shear numbers they are poorly represented
2) the right is very good at much since they seem to keep getting out competed in the marketplace
3) the original premise of a leftward lean in this area is bunk
4) the power of market forces is bunk
Your thoughts?
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:04 pmFormer fellows at conservative think tanks issued flawed UCLA-led study on media’s “liberal bias”
Summary: News outlets including CNN cited a study of several major media outlets by a UCLA political scientist and a University of Missouri-Columbia economist purporting to “show a strong liberal bias.” But the study employed a measure of “bias” so problematic that its findings are next to useless, and the authors — both former fellows at conservative think tanks cited in the study to illustrate liberal bias — seem unaware of the substantial scholarly work that exists on the topic.
http://mediamatters.org/items/200512220003
Sounds like more psuedo-science from the climate deniers….
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:11 pmJim Wilke:
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:13 pmAny thoughts?
dbadass Says:
Jim Wilke:
Any thoughts?
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He’s checking with the RNC now…he should have a talking point soon.
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:23 pmWell I sure do look forward to that.
July 22nd, 2008 at 4:30 pmMcCain has nothing intelligent to say- just smears & attacks. Why does he never offer real, presidential-possible comments on anything? And I mean, ANYTHING? McCain has only the Repub attacks talking points, over & over– & over. & Over. He apparently has nothing of his own to offer. He was given the opportunity by the NYT and he and his followers, intead of providing a thoughtful op-ed piece, went ape-sh*t because the writing was so cliche-ridden, attack-filled, etc. McCain- try writing something intelligent that actually lays out your ideas! Until then- too bad, go away.
July 22nd, 2008 at 5:20 pmI love it when the right-wing gets pissed off. The more pissed they are, the more hypocritical they get.
July 22nd, 2008 at 6:48 pmJim Wilke Says:
The media is dominated by liberals, big business is dominated by conservatives. This ain’t exactly news.
How daft.
“Media” is big business. While some reporters might have a liberal outlook, their corpro-centric editors and network owners squelch any “liberal” viewpoints, before they get on the air (or in print).
You’re just whining.
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:04 pmJim Wilke Says:
Hey Jim, I see you’ve gotten your pants pulled back up. Innocent Bystander really caughtr you flat-footed didn’t he/she?
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:17 pmInnocent Bystander Says:
Former fellows at conservative think tanks issued flawed UCLA-led study on media’s “liberal bias”
Summary: News outlets including CNN cited a study of several major media outlets by a UCLA political scientist and a University of Missouri-Columbia economist purporting to “show a strong liberal bias.” But the study employed a measure of “bias” so problematic that its findings are next to useless, and the authors — both former fellows at conservative think tanks cited in the study to illustrate liberal bias — seem unaware of the substantial scholarly work that exists on the topic.
Comments, Jim?
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:18 pmConservative Pundit Dick Morris: “You don’t tell a president to the United States candidate what to write.” [Hannity and Colmes, 7/21/08]
But they refused to print Clinton pieces as well. Seems like they’re biased towards republicans, given the vast amount of column space they’ve given them these last eight years.
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:23 pmMost of the outlets were less liberal than Lieberman but more liberal than former Sen. John Breaux, D-La. Those media outlets included the Drudge Report, ABC’s “World News Tonight,” NBC’s “Nightly News,” USA Today, NBC’s “Today Show,” Time magazine, U.S. News & World Report, Newsweek, NPR’s “Morning Edition,” CBS’ “Early Show” and The Washington Post.
That right there should have raised red flags for you, Jim. I wonder why they included Drudge? Did he hit on one of the “researchers?”
July 22nd, 2008 at 7:26 pmAlso from Media Matters:
When Carlson asked him to explain the study, Milyo misrepresented his own study. Milyo noted that the study did not look at editorials, then said, “Of course, but that’s how bias sneaks into news coverage. The reporter doesn’t say, ‘I think this.’ He says, ‘According to our expert, say, Barbra Streisand, this is true.’ Right? It’s the choice of the experts that allows the opinion to get in.” But Milyo’s example of Streisand — as though a news organization would actually cite her as an “expert” — is flawed, considering that the study examined only mentions of think tanks and advocacy organizations (not of individual experts). Milyo ended his interview by telling Carlson, “My wife’s a big fan [of Carlson].”
Comments?
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:39 pmJim Wilke Says: Enjoys making himself look stupid and moronic.
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:42 pm157. Jim Wilke Says:
What is conservative misinformation?
Conservative misinformation is news or commentary that is not accurate, reliable, or credible and that forwards the conservative agenda. This misinformation distorts the public dialogue on important issues and obscures the truth.
Thanks for the PSA…as examples, you might want to include some of your stinkers, along with a few from your troll-losers buddies who disrupt post here.
July 22nd, 2008 at 8:43 pmbarfly, given that MediaMatters and related groups are being PAID to distribute anti-McCain material, well, that should tell you everything you need to know.
Simply post a refutation of their work, regarding this questionable study from UCLA, by the study’s authors. I’m sure they can debunk the debunk, right?
And why haven’t you posted it by now?
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:12 pmHere’s a gem, from these supposed scholars:
UCLA’s December 14 press release announcing Groseclose and Milyo’s study quoted Groseclose as follows: “A media person would have never done this study. It takes a Congress scholar even to think of using ADA scores as a measure.”
I think he meant “congressional scholar.”
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:29 pmAnd here’s what they have to say about this study, at the conservative site, Volokh Conspiracy:
http://volokh.com/posts/1184443141.shtml
July 22nd, 2008 at 9:43 pm“He’s been completely wrong on the issue,” Mr. McCain said, offering a reminder to voters that Mr. Obama is “someone who has no military experience whatsoever.”
Well, neither did Bush Jr. or Reagan.
Your point being…?
July 22nd, 2008 at 10:09 pm