Comments on: Kagan: ‘The only way’ to ‘force’ Iran to halt its nuclear program is an ‘attack.’ http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 17:27:56 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5111342 pete Thu, 24 Jul 2008 20:10:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5111342 A clever person would ask. How many "Christian nations" are being occupied by "Muslim troops"? and; How many "Muslim nations" are being occupied by "Christian troops"? I believe that's a fair measure of their, relative, aggressiveness. A clever person would ask. How many “Christian nations” are being occupied by “Muslim troops”? and; How many “Muslim nations” are being occupied by “Christian troops”?

I believe that’s a fair measure of their, relative, aggressiveness.

]]> By: pete http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5110810 pete Thu, 24 Jul 2008 17:55:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5110810 The only nuclear power that frightens me is Bushco. They have displayed more recent evidence of insanity than, even, the Iranians who don't have them anyway. It could be said that, if one is smart enough to build a nuke, one is sane enough to realize using it would result in the annihilation of one's country. Whereas someone intending to use a nuke would acquire it clandestinely. If you want to worry about nukes? Worry about Pakistan. Chimpy's buddy Musharraf seems committed to bringing chaos to a nuclear power and our occupation of Afghanistan has already spread the violence across the boarder. By the time our next President takes office the mission could well be to secure Pakistan's nuclear weapons from a horde which we armed. The only nuclear power that frightens me is Bushco. They have displayed more recent evidence of insanity than, even, the Iranians who don’t have them anyway.

It could be said that, if one is smart enough to build a nuke, one is sane enough to realize using it would result in the annihilation of one’s country. Whereas someone intending to use a nuke would acquire it clandestinely.

If you want to worry about nukes? Worry about Pakistan. Chimpy’s buddy Musharraf seems committed to bringing chaos to a nuclear power and our occupation of Afghanistan has already spread the violence across the boarder. By the time our next President takes office the mission could well be to secure Pakistan’s nuclear weapons from a horde which we armed.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5110614 stateofthedivision Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:58:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5110614 Hey Ace, it's called empathy. Learn some. Hey Ace, it’s called empathy. Learn some.

]]> By: the brown acid http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5110442 the brown acid Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:20:04 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5110442 <strong>But you'll really have showed us, right Ace? I wonder if you can feed a starving family on "I told you so(s)" alone?</strong> But you’ll really have showed us, right Ace? I wonder if you can feed a starving family on “I told you so(s)” alone?

]]> By: the brown acid http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5110438 the brown acid Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:19:06 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5110438 <em>aceomalley7 Says: Get ready for the bombs to fall on Iran…I can’t wait for you pricks to start whining and whimpering…</em> <strong>Get ready for the collapse of the US economy, $12 a gallon gasoline, your SUV becoming a $25,000 lawn ornament you had no business buying in the first place, civil unrest, terrorist attacks both domestic and foreign, and a potential world war 3 scenario we can't and won't win.</strong> aceomalley7 Says:

Get ready for the bombs to fall on Iran…I can’t wait for you pricks to start whining and whimpering…

Get ready for the collapse of the US economy, $12 a gallon gasoline, your SUV becoming a $25,000 lawn ornament you had no business buying in the first place, civil unrest, terrorist attacks both domestic and foreign, and a potential world war 3 scenario we can’t and won’t win.

]]> By: aceomalley7 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5110400 aceomalley7 Thu, 24 Jul 2008 16:12:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5110400 Get ready for the bombs to fall on Iran...I can't wait for you pricks to start whining and whimpering... Get ready for the bombs to fall on Iran…I can’t wait for you pricks to start whining and whimpering…

]]> By: rmwarnick http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5110100 rmwarnick Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:45:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5110100 I vote to put Fred Kagan in a B-1 bomber and drop him on Iran-- without a parachute. I vote to put Fred Kagan in a B-1 bomber and drop him on Iran– without a parachute.

]]> By: tballou http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5110042 tballou Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:29:52 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5110042 What a pathetic combination - Andrea Mitchel and Fred Kagan. What a pathetic combination – Andrea Mitchel and Fred Kagan.

]]> By: stateofthedivision http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109998 stateofthedivision Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:10:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109998 The head of Israel's Defense Forces meets with Dick Cheney, U.S. State Department officials (likely Paul Wolfowitz), and Admiral Mullen (Chair of Joint Chiefs of Staff). http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331078904&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull The head of Israel’s Defense Forces meets with Dick Cheney, U.S. State Department officials (likely Paul Wolfowitz), and Admiral Mullen (Chair of Joint Chiefs of Staff).

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1215331078904&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109992 Fred Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:08:55 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109992 <blockquote>Rick Y Says: But if you’re in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons, are you peace oriented?</blockquote> Rick, no one here has indicated that they favor Iran having nuclear weapons. We just don't think war is an answer for anything other than self-defense. Reference: North Korea.....they had shut down thier nuclear activites and were being monitored by the UN until bush reniged on the peace accord with them. Now they have nukes and we are back to trying to make peace with them. In a better world than we live in now, Iran would not feel the need to possess nuclear weapons....who makes them feel as if they need this leverage?

Rick Y Says:
But if you’re in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons, are you peace oriented?

Rick, no one here has indicated that they favor Iran having nuclear weapons. We just don’t think war is an answer for anything other than self-defense.

Reference: North Korea…..they had shut down thier nuclear activites and were being monitored by the UN until bush reniged on the peace accord with them. Now they have nukes and we are back to trying to make peace with them.

In a better world than we live in now, Iran would not feel the need to possess nuclear weapons….who makes them feel as if they need this leverage?

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109990 shoeless Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:08:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109990 <em>Rick Y Says: But if you’re in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons, are you peace oriented?</em> <strong>STOP IT! IRAN HAS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM! WHAT PART OF THAT DON'T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!</strong> Rick Y Says:

But if you’re in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons, are you peace oriented?

STOP IT! IRAN HAS NO NUCLEAR WEAPONS PROGRAM! WHAT PART OF THAT DON’T YOU UNDERSTAND!!!

]]> By: atheo http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109986 atheo Thu, 24 Jul 2008 14:07:43 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109986 More of the same: http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7338 More of the same:

http://www.wakeupfromyourslumber.com/node/7338

]]> By: Rick Y http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109942 Rick Y Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:59:31 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109942 If the government of Iran was as peace oriented as the commenters on this forum, we'd all be safer... But if you're in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons, are you peace oriented? And if you favor nuclear power in Iran, do you favor building a nuclear plant near you? How about the Mojave Desert? If the government of Iran was as peace oriented as the commenters on this forum, we’d all be safer…

But if you’re in favor of Iran having nuclear weapons, are you peace oriented? And if you favor nuclear power in Iran, do you favor building a nuclear plant near you? How about the Mojave Desert?

]]> By: Art http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109906 Art Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:44:42 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109906 To "force" them we must attack. Hmmm! I wonder what we should do if we wanted to "persuade" them? Or is that even an option that was considered? To “force” them we must attack.
Hmmm!
I wonder what we should do if we wanted to “persuade” them?
Or is that even an option that was considered?

]]> By: tokin librul http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109882 tokin librul Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:37:48 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109882 As long as Fred and the rest of the Kagan Klan are in the very front rank of the invading columns, I guess I wouldn't mind if the US/Israel invades Iran... As long as Fred and the rest of the Kagan Klan are in the very front rank of the invading columns, I guess I wouldn’t mind if the US/Israel invades Iran…

]]> By: Game of Life http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109858 Game of Life Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:25:29 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109858 It's one thing for a country to defend itself and another thing for a country to invade and occupy another's country. chimpy and the rest of the nuts are doing the latter. How anyone can defend pre-emptive bombing or pre-emptive pardons is ridiculous. What chimpy is engaged in is called greedy, bloodthristy, supremacist ideology. The stuff losers are made of. The stuff repugs are proud of. Cowards! It’s one thing for a country to defend itself and another thing for a country to invade and occupy another’s country. chimpy and the rest of the nuts are doing the latter.
How anyone can defend pre-emptive bombing or pre-emptive pardons is ridiculous.

What chimpy is engaged in is called greedy, bloodthristy, supremacist ideology. The stuff losers are made of. The stuff repugs are proud of. Cowards!

]]> By: Uncle Ho http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109836 Uncle Ho Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:12:01 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109836 kagan should be dropped on Tehran, from 35,000 feet and no parachute. kagan should be dropped on Tehran, from 35,000 feet and no parachute.

]]> By: Fred http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109826 Fred Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:07:09 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109826 I suspect that all of this is part of a plan to steal attention away from Obama. They are very envious of the attention he is receiving here and abroad. I am sick of people who think war is a solution for anything. I suspect that all of this is part of a plan to steal attention away from Obama. They are very envious of the attention he is receiving here and abroad.

I am sick of people who think war is a solution for anything.

]]> By: shoeless http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109824 shoeless Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:06:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109824 And the warmongers are being aided by the supposed "liberal biased" mainstream news media who have been studiously ignoring this fact. And the warmongers are being aided by the supposed “liberal biased” mainstream news media who have been studiously ignoring this fact.

]]> By: misshusseinmolly http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/comment-page-2/#comment-5109814 misshusseinmolly Thu, 24 Jul 2008 13:00:32 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/07/23/kagan-the-only-way-to-force-iran-to-halt-nuclear-program-is-an-attack/#comment-5109814 shoeless Says July 24th, 2008 at 8:25 am WEAPONS GRADE URANIUM CANNOT BE MADE AT A PLANT WHICH PRODUCES FUEL GRADE URANIUM! ___________________________________________________________ Of course, the warmongers and the drum beaters are counting on Joe Citizen to be unaware of that fact. This way, they can use the words "nuclear program" as much as possible to conflate nuclear energy with nuclear weapons. shoeless Says
July 24th, 2008 at 8:25 am
WEAPONS GRADE URANIUM CANNOT BE MADE AT A PLANT WHICH PRODUCES FUEL GRADE URANIUM!
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Of course, the warmongers and the drum beaters are counting on Joe Citizen to be unaware of that fact. This way, they can use the words “nuclear program” as much as possible to conflate nuclear energy with nuclear weapons.

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