Giuliani: ‘It’s Natural’ Troops Watch Fox News Because Fox Covers Iraq ‘In A More Balanced Way’
Giuliani: ‘It’s Natural’ Troops Watch Fox News Because Fox Covers Iraq ‘In A More Balanced Way’
While chatting with reporters on his press plane this week, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL), noting that many of the televisions at army bases in Iraq and Afghanistan were tuned to Fox News, jokingly asked, “Is this the commander in chief’s choice?” Missing the joke, the Fox and Friends denounced Obama’s “implication” that the Bush administration was “brainwashing” the troops.
At the same time, the Fox hosts insisted that it made perfect sense that soldiers overseas would prefer Fox News because “they’re getting a fair and balanced approach” to the war. Guest Rudy Giuliani declared that if Obama “has any understanding of how American troops think,” he’d know they feel that they “get a better shake on Fox” than the other “anti-military” networks:
GIULIANI: I mean, if he has any understanding of how American troops think, it would be natural that a large percentage of them would watch Fox. There’s the sense that Fox covers the war in Iraq and the situation in Iraq in a more balanced way. … But if you talk to enough of the troops there or their offices, and not 100% but you are going to see a very large percentage of them believe they get a better shake on Fox than some of the other networks some of which I think they believe is anti-military.
Watch a compilation of Fox and Friends’ coverage of the story this morning:
The Fox anchors repeatedly declared that the military offers “all cable channels.” However, when Brian Kilmeade checked with a source in Gen. Petraeus’ office, he reported that the military televisions offer “AFN [American Forces Network] news, which cycles through the various news broadcasts, and you can also get CNN International, and then we have Fox.” In other words, Fox is the only stateside American network accessible around the clock.
Host Steve Doocy comically asserted, “The best coverage of the war was on Fox.” A Project for Excellence in Journalism report in March found that Fox spent the least time discussing the Iraq War in 2007 of all three cable networks, devoting just 10 percent of airtime to the subject. Similarly, in 2006 Fox spent the least time on the war — giving it hardly any more coverage than it gave to Anna Nicole Smith.
A 2003 study by the Program on International Policy found that 60 percent of Fox viewers erroneously believed at least one of the following misperceptions: that Iraq and al Qaeda were linked, that weapons of mass destruction had been found in Iraq, or that the world favored the U.S. invasion.
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Julie-Who?
July 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pmGo Cheney yourself, As_hat.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pmJeebus, will these morons ever SHUT UP!?
July 24th, 2008 at 1:32 pmHost Steve Doocy comically asserted, “The best coverage of the war was on Fox.” A Project for Excellence in Journalism report in March found that Fox spent the least time discussing the Iraq War in 2007 of all three cable networks, devoting just 10 percent of airtime to the subject.
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Ahh, so that’s how Fox is able to give the most positive coverage of the quagmire in Iraq. They just don’t cover the bad stuff that’s happening there.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:33 pmHe still thinks he’s relevant…at all?
Amazing.
Give the man an A for effort, that is quite the imagination he’s got there.
Fair and Balanced has got to be one of the most Orwellian things I’ve ever heard uttered when it’s done in relation to Fox.
A major difference between the Right and the Left:
A left-leaning person reads 1984 as a warning against a nightmarish future.
A right-leaning person reads 1984 as a “How-To” instruction manual for governance.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:33 pmGiuliani: ‘It’s Natural’ Troops Watch Fox News Because Fox Covers Iraq ‘In A More Balanced Way’»
BwaaaaHaHaHaHa….BwaaaaHaHaHaHa!!! FAR FROM BALANCED!!! BwaaaaHaHaHaHa!!!! This is comedy at it’s finished for repukes.
Yeah, they toon all the TV on base in Iraq on Faux, gotta keep the propaganda coming 24/7.
But they may not be buying it anymore – Troops are donating to Obama way more than McSame…go figure.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:34 pmNow if only I could get the opinion of Fred Thompson…
July 24th, 2008 at 1:34 pmand there’s JK, providing our brief comic relief!
Thanks JK.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pmAnd Rudy is an expert on the thinking of military personnel because . . . Is this a product of his decades of military service?
July 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pmdbadass:
How about Alan Keyes? He’s pretty relevant too right? I mean, about as relevant as Giuliani and Thompson…
July 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pmHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!
Why it’s only natural that I sh*t myself every day! Using a porcelain bowl is counterintuitive.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:35 pmHi John Kerry:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:36 pmPlease hang around this time? What is it fear that prevents you?
dbadass Says:
Julie-Who?
July 24th, 2008 at 1:31 pm
Who indeed? It doesn’t ring a bell… Hmmm…..
Oh now I remember! He was that 9iu11ani guy from the primaries. Well, it looks like he cleaned himself up pretty good – he wasn’t doing too well the last time I read about him:
http://www.theonion.com/content/news_briefs/giuliani_spotted_sleeping
July 24th, 2008 at 1:36 pmOf course Giuliani is correct. I mean, John Kerry said so, in bold, with two exclamation points no less!!
I’m sold, how about you guys?
/snark
July 24th, 2008 at 1:37 pmWhat a coincidence! I happened to wake up this morning and ask myself, “Self, who do you suppose Rudy Giuliani thinks provides the most balanced coverage of Iraq?” Thank you, you ferret-faced freak for satisfying my curiosity. Now go explain how you know how the troops feel because you spent more time on the front lines than they have. Then feel free to perform an anatomical impossibility on yourself with your voluminous free time.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:40 pmOf course Giuliani is correct. I mean, John Kerry said so, in bold, with two exclamation points no less!!
I’m sold, how about you guys?
/snark
Oh yeah!! And, you know, I think we should bomb Iran like they say we should on Fox. Oh, and before I forget, the government can have all my rights to speak against it. Oh Bless Fox, Bless Bush!!!
/snark
Excuse me while I go clean my keyboard.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:43 pmTo paraphrase the great Fred G. Sanford:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:43 pmI trust the troll Jon Kerry as far as I can toss a ten ton banana.
Part of me says he’s really dbadass in disguise.
tony and lido
Well, of course they watch Fox News. All those stories about Britney Spears, missing blonds, and the latest “Girls Gone Wild” video are a nice distraction from the everyday grind and horrors of war that the troops live through every day.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:43 pmliberal traitor:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:44 pmWe have very little in common but I must say from experience that Alan Keyes is a quality orator. Weren’t there two Thompsons? The first one must have been pissed when the Law and Order gereatric entered. Still the L & O guy’s flash in the pan was amusing to watch.
I wonder if the troops are any better informed today than 2 years ago.
Zogby poll from Feb 28, 2004:
July 24th, 2008 at 1:44 pmAlmost 90% of U.S. Troops in Iraq think war is retaliation for Saddam’s role in 9/11.
Yah!, sure, ya betcha….Isn’t he the cross dresser that ran for pres.? Oh! I remember he’s the guy that said he saved N.Y…Seem’s the real first responder’s had an issue with him…Wasen’t there something about a girl friend, now wife and an apartment that was funded with tax payer money..Never mind it’s hard to keep track, these slug’s get around so much…..His comment’s are relevent how.?….Blessings
July 24th, 2008 at 1:45 pmObama got overwhelming troop support in Iraq & Afghanistan.
Ouch! Fox, that’s gotta hurt, eh?
All your years of cheerleading a corrupt admin is gone. Poof!
July 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pmFame can be fleeting, but infamy lives forever.
Rudy is an incompetent Fascist.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pmSomeone ought to tell JulieAnnie that McLame is stealing his schtick, you know, “noun, verb, surge”…
July 24th, 2008 at 1:47 pm“Giuliani: ‘It’s Natural’ Troops Watch Fox News Because Fox Covers Iraq ‘In A More Balanced Way’”
Spare me from the crossdressing and shag queen ex-mayor. Pass the popcorn please…
July 24th, 2008 at 1:48 pmpart of bentley1 is way off.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:48 pmOops, sorry, the poll is from 4 years ago.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:49 pm(I wonder if my math is any better than 2 years ago?)
dbadass Says:liberal traitor:
We have very little in common but I must say from experience that Alan Keyes is a quality orator. Weren’t there two Thompsons?
You are correct, sir. The Thompson Twins of the ’80’s era weren’t ‘really twins’, but then Fred Thompson ‘really wasn’t an actor or politician’.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:50 pmToo bad that “a more balanced way” isn’t more synonymous with “a more truthful way”. But truth is rather inconvenient for Fox, Giuliani, et al…
July 24th, 2008 at 1:51 pmI think “Rude”i should start up the Psychic Network again:
he knew the World Trade Tower was going to collapse!
July 24th, 2008 at 1:53 pmdbadass;
July 24th, 2008 at 1:54 pmI retract that statement.
tony and lido
dbadass:
I in no way was denigrating Keyes’ oratory skills. He certainly is a consummate speaker and debator, I’ve seen him speak once or twice. I find his positions appalling, but he is talented in expressing them, no doubt.
I merely was saying his bid for the presidency was as relevant then as Giuliani and Thompson’s are now.
July 24th, 2008 at 1:55 pmZimzone:
The Thompson Twins were a lot of fun in those days. I remain a fan!
It was magical how Thompson got hyped as some sort of Reagan-WraithRider who was gonna come in like some sort of Savior of the Rights clustermess they have created only to never leave the gates.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:00 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 2:01 pmWhy do reich-wingers always think they speak for others?
Because when you know it all it gives you the right to frame the argument? /snark
They don’t, it only seems that way.
They don’t give a rat’s a$$ what anyone thinks because they are correct and GOD is on their side (<—–most frightening words ever uttered by a human being next to “God hates…insert anything here…”)
July 24th, 2008 at 2:04 pmMaybe military guys like watching Fox because they can be assured of always seeing a blonde bimbo.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:06 pmI read some months ago about a soldier in Iraq, twenty years old at most, being asked what he thought of Rumsfeld’s departure. He could not identify Rumsfeld.
Way to go, Fox.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:08 pmliberal traitor:
I have only seen him speak once. If only he was using his impressive skills to advance a more centric agenda.
Irrelevent yes but the also rans still have to be given some props at their convention under the pretexts of building a stronger more dynamic party or some such made up shit that sounds good in a speech. There drinks have to be free also. Well except for Mitt and Mike. God said so!
July 24th, 2008 at 2:09 pmWow! The performance artist know as Daryll is in full swing. Great portrayal of a full on, right wing kool-aid drinker.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:09 pmDaryll: My wife and I wake-up to Fox News and usually fall asleep watching Fox News
– - Ahhh, then I see you’re using Fox News for birth control. Planned parenthood, indeed.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pmFox: Fair and Balanced!
July 24th, 2008 at 2:10 pmHey drywall, try picking up a book you moron. you might learn something.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:11 pmThere is a god!
July 24th, 2008 at 2:11 pmHi Daryll! As always I wish you/yours the best.
I am not sure how best to say this but I think we might need to have one of those guy talks. Know what I mean?
Hi again aceomalley7.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:13 pmThat is some really random stuff. Would you like to explain to the class what it means to you? You know, what it means deep inside…
Daryll Says:
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I believe that Fox News informs and enlightens the troops as well as the American people.
I believe that sprites inform and enlighten the troops as well as the American people by sprinkling pixie dust on them while they sleep.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:18 pmHey Jim’s back. Be sure to report at the Mccain website that you’ve posted on mulitple threads.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:18 pmHi Jim
July 24th, 2008 at 2:20 pmIn a nutshell it’s bullsh!t artistry like this that is sinking our once great country.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:21 pmThe mctroll who posts the most times during the week gets a free dinner at Shmidht’s Sausage Haus in Columbus Ohio with grampa! Right Jim?
July 24th, 2008 at 2:22 pmFAUX SNOOZE: Propaganda for the Bush Killing Machine.
(and that’s it)
July 24th, 2008 at 2:23 pmDrywall, why are you reading the book written by a convicted felon who is an admitted subverter of the Constitution?, and an adulterer?
July 24th, 2008 at 2:24 pmDaryll:
July 24th, 2008 at 2:26 pmAdmittedly I just started it today but I have high hopes for The Fortune Cookie Chronicles”. I also enjoyed Glick’s “Faster” and Corson’s “Secret Life of Lobsters” this summer. Have you ever read Krakauer’s Under the Banner of Heaven? I think you might like it!
Daryll is AWESOME!
July 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pmDaryll says: I am currently reading Oliver North’s War Stories III.
Is that the part explaining how Reagan & North sold illegal weapons to Iran, or was it the part about the Sandinistas trading drugs for arms?
Did the good Colonel take his pay in weapons or drugs, Daryll?
July 24th, 2008 at 2:27 pmdbadass:
July 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pmCheck out the _Windup Bird Cronicle_ if yo get the chance. It’s old but a very good read. I read Cormac Mcarthy’s -The Road_ earlier this summer. And intense, and depressing, experience, but worth it.
WHAT RALPH SAID!
July 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pmI find Daryll’s parody more amusing on gay-abortion-religion threads. That comment was a bummer, Daryll.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:29 pmZimzone, it’s the part where he buys Fawn Hall all those negligiees that he later claimed he bought for his daughter, because his wife was too, ummm, large, to wear them….
July 24th, 2008 at 2:32 pmdrywall says:
We make mistakes. We fall down, but we get up. Oliver North is still considered a true patriot.
Only by other facists and haters of America’s core values.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:33 pmAlan Keyes? Any man who disowns his daughter because she’s a lesbian is an all-around POS as a human being. She was homeless because her daddy put party before family and country.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:35 pmLittle d never ceses to amaze me with his reich winged humor…bushco must ship the kool aid in by the case to his apartment so he and the little woman can have their shot’s in the A.M. and P.M. while watching fux’s snooze..It just doesn’t get any funnier than this…..Blessings
July 24th, 2008 at 2:35 pmLOL….yikes…Isn’t self delusion always grand….LOL…what morons..
July 24th, 2008 at 2:40 pmDaryll Says: What is an apartment?
Ah, some of that Christian meekness from Daryll, nice to see you show your weak side Daryll.
Did you Magical Invisible Faerie in the Sky tell you to talk down to people that have less than you do?
Or is it the Devil you so often mimic?
July 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pmSo the soldiers watch FAUX News to get away from the war coverage…
July 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pm#70 And who is ollie north? Oh I remember he’s the traiter to our country your reading a book about now…One of the guy’s you think is so wonderful..Guess it’s par for the course since you spend so much time reading about fairy tale’s and saintly people like lott in the bible…Yep! that would fit, incest. traiter’s, warmonger’s all look good from mom’s basement..Your really funny in a very weird way..BTW your much better on the abortion and gay site’s…LOL..Have another sip of bush’s brew little d, it’ll fix ya reich up….Blessings
July 24th, 2008 at 2:53 pmGee Daryll, with all that TV watching, when do you find time to read the Moonie Times?
July 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pmI seriously doubt that the troops are given a choice as to what news they listen to. Just like you have no choice when you are sitting in a bar attached to a hotel. Their TV’s are tuned to Fox. I once asked the bartender in a hotel to change to another station. He said he couldn’t, that it was a direct feed from their headquarters and it was the only station that the TV could be tuned in to. He also said that Fox pays them to run only their station. I found that interesting and frustrating. He was able to turn it off, though, which he did upon my request since we were the only two people in the bar.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pmWitch1, how are you doing? Get in touch with TheZoo.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:55 pmBobwurst:
July 24th, 2008 at 2:57 pmThanks for the suggestions.
I look forward to both as time allows. I have this list I keep of books suggested by others. It has served me well!
Given the fact that the overwhelming majority of media outlets lean left, why is there so much outrage over FOX’s right leaning coverage? With the continued high ratings, it is obvious to me that there is a signifcant base out there who look to FOX for their news, rather than from the biased reporting of CNN, PBS, CBS, NYT, etc.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:58 pmIdiots. They’re the ones that are over there. I’m sure they can give us a more “fair and balanced” view of the war than these clowns can.
July 24th, 2008 at 2:59 pmThe whole mess over Iran-Contra is what stopped my mother from ever voting for a republican again. Being a military wife, she could smell the bullshit coming out of that administration a mile away.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:00 pm#76 gummitch…Thank’s for the notice..I’m still above ground and sucking air,LOL..That’s about it though…Not anywhere much…Tire easily, best bud is going in for surgery tomorrow so will be AWOL from everything for awhile….Send Blessings for me…..I bailed cause I am to left for most….Blessings to you..
July 24th, 2008 at 3:02 pmHe also said that Fox pays them to run only their station.
And what money gets exchanged between Bush and Murdoch to have Fox as THE channel for the troops? Is Murdoch paying for the privilege or does Bush give some taxpayer money to Murdoch?
This arrangement should end in 6 months time.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pmindyjones Says:
Given the fact that the overwhelming majority of media outlets lean left
Idiot, if they were left leaning Bush and Cheney would be out of office long ago, they are Corporate Controlled Media, all of them, that is why they are so afraid of the internet and blogs.
Cripes, these neocon clown bootlickers are such fools.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:06 pmindyjones Says:
Given the fact that the overwhelming majority of media outlets lean left, why is there so much outrage over FOX’s right leaning coverage? With the continued high ratings, it is obvious to me that there is a signifcant base out there who look to FOX for their news, rather than from the biased reporting of CNN, PBS, CBS, NYT, etc.
Given that, it would be a good question. Since your “fact” is wrong, your question makes no sense.
If Fox was to accurately identify itself as FoxPropaganda, people would be less agitated.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pmBuckie Boy,
Are you claiming that the media does not, largely, lean left? This idiot is looking to you for some enlightenment on this issue.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:10 pmHi Indyjones:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:11 pmI have been a student of this concept for awhile now. Why do you believe the media leans left? Please explain in detail the causal reasons for this hypothesized condition. Thanks!
Indyjones:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:14 pmIf there was such demand for right leaning media ala Fox, how could there be a dominant left media. Is the imaginary hand of the market just another made up piece of bullshit?
dbadass,
Being no expert on the matter, I will instead provide (see below) a study conducted by an expert at UCLA. I am not claiming that FOX is not biased – it most certainly is. But, let’s face it, O’Rielly is no worse than Keith Olbermann.
Media Bias Is Real, Finds UCLA Political Scientist
July 24th, 2008 at 3:15 pmBy
Meg Sullivan
| 12/14/2005 5:36:31 PM
While the editorial page of The Wall Street Journal is conservative, the newspaper’s news pages are liberal, even more liberal than The New York Times. The Drudge Report may have a right-wing reputation, but it leans left. Coverage by public television and radio is conservative compared to the rest of the mainstream media. Meanwhile, almost all major media outlets tilt to the left.
These are just a few of the surprising findings from a UCLA-led study, which is believed to be the first successful attempt at objectively quantifying bias in a range of media outlets and ranking them accordingly.
“I suspected that many media outlets would tilt to the left because surveys have shown that reporters tend to vote more Democrat than Republican,” said Tim Groseclose, a UCLA political scientist and the study’s lead author. “But I was surprised at just how pronounced the distinctions are.”
“Overall, the major media outlets are quite moderate compared to members of Congress, but even so, there is a quantifiable and significant bias in that nearly all of them lean to the left,” said co author Jeffrey Milyo, University of Missouri economist and public policy scholar.
The results appear in the latest issue of the Quarterly Journal of Economics, which will become available in mid-December.
Groseclose and Milyo based their research on a standard gauge of a lawmaker’s support for liberal causes. Americans for Democratic Action (ADA) tracks the percentage of times that each lawmaker votes on the liberal side of an issue. Based on these votes, the ADA assigns a numerical score to each lawmaker, where “100″ is the most liberal and “0″ is the most conservative. After adjustments to compensate for disproportionate representation that the Senate gives to low population states and the lack of representation for the District of Columbia, the average ADA score in Congress (50.1) was assumed to represent the political position of the average U.S. voter.
Groseclose and Milyo then directed 21 research assistants — most of them college students — to scour U.S. media coverage of the past 10 years. They tallied the number of times each media outlet referred to think tanks and policy groups, such as the left-leaning NAACP or the right-leaning Heritage Foundation.
Next, they did the same exercise with speeches of U.S. lawmakers. If a media outlet displayed a citation pattern similar to that of a lawmaker, then Groseclose and Milyo’s method assigned both a similar ADA score.
“A media person would have never done this study,” said Groseclose, a UCLA political science professor, whose research and teaching focuses on the U.S. Congress. “It takes a Congress scholar even to think of using ADA scores as a measure. And I don’t think many media scholars would have considered comparing news stories to congressional speeches.”
Of the 20 major media outlets studied, 18 scored left of center, with CBS’ “Evening News,” The New York Times and the Los Angeles Times ranking second, third and fourth most liberal behind the news pages of The Wall Street Journal.
Only Fox News’ “Special Report With Brit Hume” and The Washington Times scored right of the average U.S. voter.
The most centrist outlet proved to be the “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer.” CNN’s “NewsNight With Aaron Brown” and ABC’s “Good Morning America” were a close second and third.
“Our estimates for these outlets, we feel, give particular credibility to our efforts, as three of the four moderators for the 2004 presidential and vice-presidential debates came from these three news outlets — Jim Lehrer, Charlie Gibson and Gwen Ifill,” Groseclose said. “If these newscasters weren’t centrist, staffers for one of the campaign teams would have objected and insisted on other moderators.”
The fourth most centrist outlet was “Special Report With Brit Hume” on Fox News, which often is cited by liberals as an egregious example of a right-wing outlet. While this news program proved to be right of center, the study found ABC’s “World News Tonight” and NBC’s “Nightly News” to be left of center. All three outlets were approximately equidistant from the center, the report found.
“If viewers spent an equal amount of time watching Fox’s ‘Special Report’ as ABC’s ‘World News’ and NBC’s ‘Nightly News,’ then they would receive a nearly perfectly balanced version of the news,” said Milyo, an associate professor of economics and public affairs at the University of Missouri at Columbia.
Five news outlets — “NewsHour With Jim Lehrer,” ABC’s “Good Morning America,” CNN’s “NewsNight With Aaron Brown,” Fox News’ “Special Report With Brit Hume” and the Drudge Report — were in a statistical dead heat in the race for the most centrist news outlet. Of the print media, USA Today was the most centrist.
An additional feature of the study shows how each outlet compares in political orientation with actual lawmakers. The news pages of The Wall Street Journal scored a little to the left of the average American Democrat, as determined by the average ADA score of all Democrats in Congress (85 versus 84). With scores in the mid-70s, CBS’ “Evening News” and The New York Times looked similar to Sen. Joe Lieberman, D-Conn., who has an ADA score of 74.
Most of the outlets were less liberal than Lieberman but more liberal than former Sen. John Breaux, D-La. Those media outlets included the Drudge Report, ABC’s “World News Tonight,” NBC’s “Nightly News,” USA Today, NBC’s “Today Show,” Time magazine, U.S. News & World Report, Newsweek, NPR’s “Morning Edition,” CBS’ “Early Show” and The Washington Post.
Since Groseclose and Milyo were more concerned with bias in news reporting than opinion pieces, which are designed to stake a political position, they omitted editorials and Op Eds from their tallies. This is one reason their study finds The Wall Street Journal more liberal than conventional wisdom asserts.
Another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom was that the Drudge Report was slightly left of center.
“One thing people should keep in mind is that our data for the Drudge Report was based almost entirely on the articles that the Drudge Report lists on other Web sites,” said Groseclose. “Very little was based on the stories that Matt Drudge himself wrote. The fact that the Drudge Report appears left of center is merely a reflection of the overall bias of the media.”
Yet another finding that contradicted conventional wisdom relates to National Public Radio, often cited by conservatives as an egregious example of a liberal news outlet. But according to the UCLA-University of Missouri study, it ranked eighth most liberal of the 20 that the study examined.
“By our estimate, NPR hardly differs from the average mainstream news outlet,” Groseclose said. “Its score is approximately equal to those of Time, Newsweek and U.S. News & World Report and its score is slightly more conservative than The Washington Post’s. If anything, government funded outlets in our sample have a slightly lower average ADA score (61), than the private outlets in our sample (62.8).”
The researchers took numerous steps to safeguard against bias — or the appearance of same — in the work, which took close to three years to complete. They went to great lengths to ensure that as many research assistants supported Democratic candidate Al Gore in the 2000 election as supported President George Bush. They also sought no outside funding, a rarity in scholarly research.
“No matter the results, we feared our findings would’ve been suspect if we’d received support from any group that could be perceived as right- or left-leaning, so we consciously decided to fund this project only with our own salaries and research funds that our own universities provided,” Groseclose said.
The results break new ground.
“Past researchers have been able to say whether an outlet is conservative or liberal, but no one has ever compared media outlets to lawmakers,” Groseclose said. “Our work gives a precise characterization of the bias and relates it to known commodity — politicians.”
dbadass,
How would you explain FOX news’ high ratings?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:16 pmdbadass,
It is easily explained and all you have to do is answer this question: do you think George Soros is into making money or is more intent on pushing an agenda?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:18 pmindyjones Says:
dbadass,
How would you explain FOX news’ high ratings
Ignorance on the right.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:19 pmBuckie Boy,
What a plausible and intelligent answer. I am, my friend, enlighted. You must be have quite the IQ!
July 24th, 2008 at 3:20 pmUnfortunately as a retired Sailor I know this to be somewhat true, i.e., “they feel that they “get a better shake on Fox” than the other “anti-military” networks”; at least for the more Gung Ho individuals, that is. Rest assured that there are more out there who know the truth and that they won’t get it from Fox.
“Trudy” Rudy is just reflecting the typical attitude of the GOP towards the military; they’re only good for wars or votes. I am tired of being irate when I hear someone “praise” the military for protecting our country in Iraq when the real culprit is alive and well in Pakistan and shifting his plans to Afghanistan and and once again the Neo-cons aren’t doing anything about it other than having a ball using Ossama’s name to inspire fear when Fox uses it in place of Obama’s name.
It’s time for a Change and here’s one Veteran who served in the first Gulf War who is for Obama. We should have never gone into Iraq and we should all boycott Fox.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:20 pmWell Indyjones:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:21 pmI would first say that you are dodging the question which garners no respect. To answer yours, I would think that mostly this is a reflection of a marketing campaign which has preyed upon a base of a market which prior to Fox had not been tapped.
What does George Soros have to do with the fundamental question?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:22 pmLots and lots of really stupid people, indy, like YOU.
Simple, really. Also like you.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:23 pmindyjones here dumbass…
People who watch Faux believe still -
That Obama is a muslim
That Iraq was tied to 9/11
That Obama is secretly a terrorist
That Iraq did indeed have weapons of mass destruction
That the occupation of Iraq has nothing to do with oil
That the price of gas is because of those Arabs
Need I go on…yes my IQ is quite high, does yours even register?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pmDaryll Says:
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I believe that Fox News informs and enlightens the troops as well as the American people.
Yeah, but you also believe you can fly naked through the sky to visit an invisible superhero and his boy wonder, who live in the clouds.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pmAhh…the world according to ARN: Every conservative is a TRAITOR SKKKUMSUCKING POS who SHOULD BURN in HELL for ETERNITY.
I envision you as some overweight, middle-aged man sitting at his cpu in a pair of yellowed BVDs
July 24th, 2008 at 3:24 pmSo indyjones, does George Soros control the unions, the entertainment industry and education? Face it, the invisible hand has decided that this is what the consumer wants. They don’t want the stupid shit your selling.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:26 pmindyjones Says:
dbadass,
How would you explain FOX news’ high ratings?
There are some people in this country who like to have their rightwing opinions affirmed on a constant basis, which is the function of Fox”News”.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:28 pmI would pay good money to be a fly on the wall when a soldier in Iraq watches the pablum being spewed at him by Faux Snooze and gets that “WTF are they for REAL” when it registers what they are saying.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pmDaryll says: I sincerely do not know what it is?
Ok, you truly are a performance artist, didn’t believe it before, but they are right.
Well, you do a bang up job being a totally sick anti-christian christian.
Kind of funny though, how you call your actions of “Devil” the work of “God”.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:30 pmDoes anyone other than me find it odd that Julie Annie is sitting there pitching Faux Snooze on Faux Snooze?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:33 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
Does anyone other than me find it odd that Julie Annie is sitting there pitching Faux Snooze on Faux Snooze?
Probably looking for work. You know, as an “objective expert.”
July 24th, 2008 at 3:39 pmThe 700 club….ROFL…The moral majority relegious telavangelest that are raking in million’s of your relegious follower’s money..That’s funny…That’s hilarious in fact…Send them some more so they can buy more high priced suit’s and build a bigger church and hire more station’s to brain wash more bible thumping follower’s…Gees little d I thought you were smarter than that….The 700 club keep’s 98% for what’s his name and send’s 2% to the kid’s…Oh well, keep on sending so they will get more tax free billion’s….Blessings
July 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pmPeople who watch Faux believe still -
That Obama is a muslim
Buckie Boy says
People who watch Faux believe still -
That Iraq was tied to 9/11
That Obama is secretly a terrorist
That Iraq did indeed have weapons of mass destruction
That the occupation of Iraq has nothing to do with oil
That the price of gas is because of those Arabs
Need I go on…yes my IQ is quite high, does yours even register?
Buckie Boy, You are wrong kind sir. I watch FOX daily I believe none of the assertions you have made here. Take your high IQ and give me another “logical” reason.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:40 pmThere are some people in this country who like to have their rightwing opinions affirmed on a constant basis, which is the function of Fox”News”.
And I suppose you frequent TP and the Huffington Post for news?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:42 pmidiotjones – it has been proven in poll after poll, reichwing tool.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pmLeftside Annie says
Lots and lots of really stupid people, indy, like YOU.
Simple, really. Also like you.
This is the typical left-wing smear approach. If you can’t debate on fact, resort to name calling.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:43 pmBuckie Boy,
Please, direct me to some nonbiased, poll and research data that confirm your hyptoheses.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:44 pmArn,
FOX has an eganda … I am not dipsuting that but I contend that most news outlets do. Do you think, ARN, that TP promotes propaganda?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:46 pmDoes TP have an agenda, ARN?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:47 pmindyjones Says:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pm“Does TP have an agenda, ARN?”
You’re comparing apples to oranges, sweetcheeks. Please show me where TP claims to be a news broadcasting organization.
indyjones Says:
Buckie Boy, You are wrong kind sir. I watch FOX daily I believe none of the assertions you have made here.
Hmmm, so you are a right-wing extremist for no apparent reason. Interesting.
July 24th, 2008 at 3:50 pmindyjones:
July 24th, 2008 at 3:55 pmyou still seem to be dodging. Did I not atleast offer a response to your question? Come on my friend, try to hold yourself to some minimal intellectual standard… What explains the alledged control of so many areas of society by “liberals?” I am calling bullshit on this premise. If it is true than it must be what citizens in a free nation want othwerwise the invisibale hand is invisible because it too is bullshit. Pony up here buddy!
Shoeless says,
Hmmm, so you are a right-wing extremist for no apparent reason. Interesting.
Why would you think that? Because I do not fit the stereotype you guys have developed in characterizing your opponents? Hmmm. BY the logical you apply I would think that all liberals believe there are 57 states, that it is ok to have sexual relations and lie about it, etc….?
July 24th, 2008 at 3:56 pmindyjones Says
“that it is ok to have sexual relations and lie about it, etc….?”
If it was good enough for newt gingrich, then it’s good enough for me!
July 24th, 2008 at 3:58 pmindyjones:
July 24th, 2008 at 4:02 pmYou’re all over the place buddy. Come now let’s try to stay focused shall we?
indyjones Says:
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Shoeless says,
Hmmm, so you are a right-wing extremist for no apparent reason. Interesting.
Why would you think that? Because I do not fit the stereotype you guys have developed in characterizing your opponents?
OK, then why are you a right-wing extremist?
July 24th, 2008 at 4:07 pm#126 Bozo, good point’s but you left out many including mcclueless who had an affair with his present wife while being married to the 1st wife, juiliana the cross dresser, all the one’s that prefer boy’s and closeted gay’s..Where is that list that was posted about all the rep’s and their sex crime’s when we need it.?..Some one post again please….Know it’s lengthy but worth the reread…Blessings
July 24th, 2008 at 4:09 pmindyjones,
Bushco told 935 lies in the run up to the Iraq war.
They have performed countless impeachable offenses.
Clinton gets impeachment trials for lying about a BJ.
Why hasn’t the librul media done squat?
July 24th, 2008 at 4:35 pmindyjones:
you still seem to be dodging. Did I not atleast offer a response to your question? Come on my friend, try to hold yourself to some minimal intellectual standard… What explains the alledged control of so many areas of society by “liberals?” I am calling bullshit on this premise. If it is true than it must be what citizens in a free nation want othwerwise the invisibale hand is invisible because it too is bullshit. Pony up here buddy!
I posted earlier the study that showed a liberal meduia bias. It is widely known that a disproportionate percentage of college faculty and administrators tend to lean left. In corporate America, there is probably more of conservative base. I am not here complaining about liberal media bias – it is, what it is. My complaint is with the clan at TP attacking one of the few conservative outlets rather than acknowledging the fact that bias occurs on both sides and to a signifcant degree.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:39 pmdbadass says,
indyjones:
You’re all over the place buddy. Come now let’s try to stay focused shall we?
Again, typical left wing approach to debate. Just because you say it, doesn’t mean it’s true. tell me how I am all over the place, as you suggest, and I will go ahead and connect the dots for you.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:41 pmTeleMan Says:
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indyjones,
Bushco told 935 lies in the run up to the Iraq war.
They have performed countless impeachable offenses.
Clinton gets impeachment trials for lying about a BJ.
Why hasn’t the librul media done squat?
What would you like them to do? They cannot introduce articles of impeachment so I do not know ere you are going with this.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:44 pmTeleMan Says:
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indyjones,
Bushco told 935 lies in the run up to the Iraq war.
They have performed countless impeachable offenses.
Clinton gets impeachment trials for lying about a BJ.
Why hasn’t the librul media done squat?
What would you like them to do? They cannot introduce articles of impeachment so I do not know ere you are going with this.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:44 pmWitch1 Says:
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#126 Bozo, good point’s but you left out many including mcclueless who had an affair with his present wife while being married to the 1st wife, juiliana the cross dresser, all the one’s that prefer boy’s and closeted gay’s..Where is that list that was posted about all the rep’s and their sex crime’s when we need it.?..Some one post again please….Know it’s lengthy but worth the reread…Blessings
You missed the point…
July 24th, 2008 at 4:45 pmEven though many of the journalists may be liberal, the management decides the direction of the company. And many of the “journalists” gave the Bush admin the benefit of the doubt after 9-11.
The closest news we have that is “librul” would be Countdown and The News Hour on PBS. From what I’ve seen on CNN, ABC, CBS & NBC, they are still leaning a bit right (mostly).
July 24th, 2008 at 4:48 pm90% of all news media is controlled by 5 companies.
TeleMan Says:
indyjones,
Bushco told 935 lies in the run up to the Iraq war.
From the article:
“The study says Bush made 232 false statements about Iraq and former leader Saddam Hussein’s possessing weapons of mass destruction, and 28 false statements about Iraq’s links to al Qaeda.
Bush has consistently asserted that at the time he and other officials made the statements, the intelligence community of the U.S. and several other nations, including Britain, believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.”
July 24th, 2008 at 4:50 pmTeleman says:
The closest news we have that is “librul” would be Countdown
Closest? My goodness. Keith Olbermann leans so far to the left it is ridiculous!
July 24th, 2008 at 4:51 pmTeleMan Says:
Even though many of the journalists may be liberal, the management decides the direction of the company.
There are a number of outspoken, clearly liberal journalists out there who seem to exercise no control of their respective ideologies. There are also a number of prominent actors and celebrities who use their position to influence how people vote. The worst part about the latter is that a good number of these celebs barely have a high school diploma, if at all.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:55 pmindyjones Says:
What would you like them to do? They cannot introduce articles of impeachment so I do not know ere you are going with this.
If the media would just report on the impeachment articles it would help shift public sentiment about the issues. How much coverage of Kucinich’s impeachment proceedings have we seen? Almost zero. If the media did its job and researched the facts and reported the truth instead of this he-said-she-said crap, the more informed populous would demand accountability.
July 24th, 2008 at 4:56 pmindyjones Says:
Closest? My goodness. Keith Olbermann leans so far to the left it is ridiculous!
The Neocons have pulled our country so far right that anything to the left of Cheney you folks call liberal.
Truth neither leans left or right. It just is.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:00 pmindyjones Says:
There are also a number of prominent actors and celebrities who use their position to influence how people vote. The worst part about the latter is that a good number of these celebs barely have a high school diploma, if at all.
The right has their Hollywood supporters too. They are all US citizens too and thus have a right to express their views.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:02 pmTeleMan Says:
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indyjones Says:
Closest? My goodness. Keith Olbermann leans so far to the left it is ridiculous!
The Neocons have pulled our country so far right that anything to the left of Cheney you folks call liberal.
Simply not true. I consider the likes of Al Franken, Bill Maher, Arianna Huffington, Bill Moyers, Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann to be overtly liberal. There are, of course, others, but the propoaganda displayed by these folks rivals or even surpasses anything you would find on FOX.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:10 pm“Bush has consistently asserted that at the time he and other officials made the statements, the intelligence community of the U.S. and several other nations, including Britain, believed Hussein had weapons of mass destruction.”
Bushco shopped for the intelligence that suited their needs. Not finding what they wanted, they had Douglas Feith create The Office of Special Plans which stovepiped unvetted intelligence directly into the Whitehouse.
And yes Bush, himself, made 232 false statements while his admin (a.k.a., Bushco) made the other 703 — in only a year and a half.
Dat’s lotsa lying!
July 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pmWell indyjone’s it’s kinda hard to respond on topic when you bounce around like a typical ping pong ball troll…Everyone know’s the media is dominated by reich winged broadcaster’s profesing to be new’s when in fact the are just geared for sensationalism, no new’s, ever…But you keep on just the war you are, your fun to watch and read, just like little d you provide us entertainment…..Blessings
July 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pmARN says
No, they promote TRUTH, FACTS and FREE SPEECH. American values.
Do you honestly believe this?
July 24th, 2008 at 5:11 pmARN,
There is an ongoing log of Olbermann’s many lies. Would you like me to share some with you?
July 24th, 2008 at 5:15 pmSimply not true. I consider the likes of Al Franken, Bill Maher, Arianna Huffington, Bill Moyers, Paul Krugman, Keith Olbermann to be overtly liberal. There are, of course, others, but the propoaganda displayed by these folks rivals or even surpasses anything you would find on FOX.
So, what, we’ve got about a dozen vs. all the talking heads in the MSM, along with the pentagon officals spouting their contractor’s paid point of view.
The liberal media is a lie!
July 24th, 2008 at 5:18 pmArn says,
Yes, they report the TRUTH about your TREASONOUS “heroes”.
Arn, my friend, you are the King of misinformed projection.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:19 pmTeleman says
So, what, we’ve got about a dozen vs. all the talking heads in the MSM, along with the pentagon officals spouting their contractor’s paid point of view.
Please identify for me some of the far right talking heads to which you are referring?
July 24th, 2008 at 5:21 pmArn Gunnutes Says:
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indyjones Says:
ARN,
There is an ongoing log of Olbermann’s many lies. Would you like me to share some with you?
No, you have already shown me you are a LIAR, TRAITOR to the USA, and I have no doubt your “sources” are PROPAGANDA outlets.
Okay……
July 24th, 2008 at 5:24 pmPlease identify for me some of the far right talking heads to which you are referring?
Holy Crap. I don’t have time to list them all.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:26 pmI’m got other things to do, troll.
Arn and Teleman,
And so it ends. Arn does not care to review facts – unless they are reported by the fair and balanced TP. And Teleman has “other things to do.” Good day, my friends!
July 24th, 2008 at 5:31 pmYou are leaving before you explain why you are a right-wing extremist? I guess I was correct. You are a right-wing extremist for no apparent reason.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:41 pmAny study that calls sludge “left of center” by whatever rationale has discredited itself before it ever gets started. Oh yeah and comparing the media to the congress of the last ten years as your baseline for liberal/conservative – you’re kidding right.
July 24th, 2008 at 5:59 pmOn the other hand, Giuliani is suggesting that he has an understanding about how troops think because, um, he was a mayor of a major American city when it was attacked by terrorists?
July 24th, 2008 at 9:45 pmFOX nSnews is watched by troops because it is ordered to be on by Cheney.
It is a business deal and FOX got the no bid contract.
Just like Rush Limp-paw is broadcast on Armed Forces Radio in Iraq. Remember when Rush was calling the Iraqi’s “Rag heads” and such. No problem. Unless your an Iraqi having to deal with Americans.
There is not much call for American soldiers in a dangerous occupation to want to listen to a guy talk tough but couldn’t serve the military himself because he had a boil on his butt cheek.
Yeah, that Rush is a real soldiers soldier. Think about it?
Would you want a Rushbo watching your back ? A Hannity to depend on for calling reinforcements before he panics and runs?
July 24th, 2008 at 10:46 pmStick to drag, Rudolph.
http://www.light-to-dark.com/rudolphs_twins.html
July 24th, 2008 at 11:22 pmME: ‘Giuliani Is An Idiot’
July 25th, 2008 at 12:52 pmIt’s Nosferatu! Drive a stake thru it’s evil heart!!!
July 26th, 2008 at 12:16 am