ThinkFast: July 25, 2008
ThinkFast: July 25, 2008
“A petition to send former White House deputy chief of state Karl Rove to jail over refusing a subpoena to testify before a House committee has gained over 100,000 signatures,” according to Robert Greenwald’s Brave New Films and online activists.
The EPA’s Inspector General’s Office has said that “voluntary pollution-reduction programs touted by the Bush administration as part of the solution to global warming have ‘limited potential’ to reduce greenhouse gases.” The “industry’s unwillingness to participate and unreliable data that casts doubt on claimed reductions are hindering efforts to control some of the most potent greenhouse gases.”
“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) on Thursday announced joint appointments to a landmark ethics review board” that will allow private citizens to review allegations against members. The co-chairman will be former CIA director Porter Goss, who “opposed launching an investigation into the Valerie Plame CIA leak case.”
“The American public is not buying the arguments of President Bush and the oil industry that new drilling will lower gas prices,” with 63 percent saying increased drilling is “more likely to enrich oil companies than to lower gas prices.” A separate Wall Street Journal/NBC poll found that voters trust Democrats over Republicans to deal with energy, 42 to 22 percent.
On the trail today: Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) continues his overseas trip in France today, where he will meet with French President Nicolas Sarkozy. Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) will speak in Denver, CO and will then head to Aspen to meet with the Dalai Lama.
Rep. George Miller (D-CA) pledged today to introduce legislation that would “block an eleventh-hour effort by the Labor Department to make it more difficult to limit workers’ exposure to chemicals on the job.” Miller said he was determined to stop the “secret rule” that has been described as “a parting gift” to industry from the Bush administration.
“Home foreclosure filings rose 14 percent in the second quarter, the eighth consecutive quarterly climb, and more than doubled from the same period a year-earlier, real estate data firm RealtyTrac said on Friday.” Home foreclosures were up 121 percent from a year earlier, “amid the worst U.S. housing market downturn since the Great Depression.”
The U.S. Embassy in Iraq announced yesterday “that it had expanded tenfold its program to help Iraqi employees of the American government here” to obtain visas and ultimately American citizenship. However, critics noted that the U.S. “had promised several times that it would try to speed up the process, and that it had not come through.”
And finally: Ted Stevens sticks by his “series of tubes.” In 2006, Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) was widely mocked after he described the internet as “a series of tubes” that “can be filled.” Asked this week if he stuck by that description, Stevens said, “I do,” before adding that he’s “still not sure about the difference between tubes and pipes.”
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Rove Threatened GOP IT Guru If He Does Not ‘Take the Fall’ for Election Fraud in Ohio, Says Attorney
Letter Sent to Attorney General Mukasey Requesting ‘Protection for Mr. Connell and His Family From This Reported Attempt to Intimidate a Witness’ After Tip from ‘Credible Source’
UPDATE: OH AG Reportedly Asked to Provide Immunity Protection…
Karl Rove has threatened a GOP high-tech guru and his wife, if he does not “‘take the fall’ for election fraud in Ohio,” according to a letter sent this morning to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, by Ohio election attorney Cliff Arnebeck.
The email, posted in full below, details threats against Mike Connell of the Republican firm New Media Communications, which describes itself on its website as “a powerhouse in the field of Republican website development and Internet services” and having “played a strategic role in helping the GOP expand its technological supremacy.”
Connell was described in a recent interview with the plaintiff’s attorneys in Ohio as a “high IQ Forrest Gump” for his appearance “at the scene of every [GOP] crime” from Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004 to the RNC email system to the installation of the currently-used Congressional computer network firewall.
Connell and his firm are currently employed by the John McCain campaign, as well as the RNC and other Republican and so-called “faith-based” organizations. In a phone call this afternoon, Arnebeck could not publicly reveal specific details of the information that triggered his concern about the threats to Connell. The message to the IT man from Rove is said to have been sent via a go-between in Ohio. That information led Arnebeck to contact Mukasey after he found the reports to be credible and troubling.
“If there’s a credible threat, which I regard this to be,” he told The BRAD BLOG, “I have a professional duty to report it.” In his email to Mukasey today, Arnebeck writes: “We have been confidentially informed by a source we believe to be credible that Karl Rove has threatened Michael Connell, a principal witness we have identified in our King Lincoln case in federal court in Columbus, Ohio, that if he does not agree to ‘take the fall’ for election fraud in Ohio, his wife Heather will be prosecuted for supposed lobby law violations.”
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6214
This sounds very familiar, like what Rove did to Valerie Plame. Why does Rove always go after the wives of these men? He is a jutless, vile little man that will do anything to stay out of jail. Also, how will McCain claim he didn’t know what Connell did in Ohio & Florida? I can hear the spin already. Is that why McCain has him on the payroll to help fix this election? Was anyone heard a word about this in the MSM? *silence* It looks like McCain will stoop to any level even cheating, so that he wins.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:01 amNZ students offer cash for Condoleezza Rice’s “arrest”
A group of New Zealand students has come up with a novel way of protesting against a visit by U.S. Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice, offering a cash reward for her “arrest” over U.S. actions in Iraq.
The Auckland University Students’ Association has offered NZ$5,000 ($3,700) for any student making a citizen’s arrest of Rice during her 36-hour stay that starts later on Friday. “It’s primarily symbolic, but it’s a protest against her actions as secretary of state in Iraq and the authorization of the torture of suspected terrorist detainees,” said the student body’s president, David Do.
Police said the stunt was disturbing, and warned no-one would be allowed to disrupt the visit. “We are obliged to ensure the safety and security of the visiting guest and we will not shirk from that task,” said District Commander Superintendent Brett England in a statement.
http://www.reuters.com/article/worldNews/idUSWEL32578720080725
I think it is a great idea. Hopefully the message hits home, that Condi at least has the presence of mind to realize other countries find her actions criminal. That she should be arrested and thrown in jail for real not as just a “symbolic gesture”. I take it she won’t be traveling outside the US after she is out of office, she won’t have diplomatic immunity anymore.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:04 amFR Great minds think alike. I am going to post anyway.
BLOGGED BY Brad Friedman ON 7/24/2008 3:59PM
Rove Threatened GOP IT Guru If He Does Not ‘Take the Fall’ for Election Fraud in Ohio, Says Attorney
Letter Sent to Attorney General Mukasey Requesting ‘Protection for Mr. Connell and His Family From This Reported Attempt to Intimidate a Witness’ After Tip from ‘Credible Source’
UPDATE: OH AG Reportedly Asked to Provide Immunity Protection…
Karl Rove has threatened a GOP high-tech guru and his wife, if he does not “‘take the fall’ for election fraud in Ohio,” according to a letter sent this morning to Attorney General Michael Mukasey, by Ohio election attorney Cliff Arnebeck.
The email, posted in full below, details threats against Mike Connell of the Republican firm New Media Communications, which describes itself on its website as “a powerhouse in the field of Republican website development and Internet services” and having “played a strategic role in helping the GOP expand its technological supremacy.”
Connell was described in a recent interview with the plaintiff’s attorneys in Ohio as a “high IQ Forrest Gump” for his appearance “at the scene of every [GOP] crime” from Florida 2000 to Ohio 2004 to the RNC email system to the installation of the currently-used Congressional computer network firewall.
Connell and his firm are currently employed by the John McCain campaign, as well as the RNC and other Republican and so-called “faith-based” organizations.
In a phone call this afternoon, Arnebeck could not publicly reveal specific details of the information that triggered his concern about the threats to Connell. The message to the IT man from Rove is said to have been sent via a go-between in Ohio. That information led Arnebeck to contact Mukasey after he found the reports to be credible and troubling.
“If there’s a credible threat, which I regard this to be,” he told The BRAD BLOG, “I have a professional duty to report it.”
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6214
**This is shocking. A state AG requests protection from the US AG for an IT specialist because of threats made by KKKarl Rove. I am sure Mucus-a$$hat will give this his full attention. How long have we let this worthless POS walk around free? How much worse do things need to get before our elected reps (complicit crooks?) do something? This is not a rhetorical question. There are still plenty of months before the election to campaign to NOT re-elect ANYONE who refuses to enforce the rules of law, investigate, prosecute and lock these bastards up. Represent US or get voted out – it’s that simple. I will not be happy if much of this is no in the process of being resolved when Obama takes office next January. Chew on this – what if Bush pardons everyone but the Dems who have been complicit in this lawbreaking and coverups?</em>
July 25th, 2008 at 9:04 am‘Imperial presidency’ hearing to feature 13 witnesses
Kucinich, Barr, Bugliosi among those testifying
The House Judiciary Committee has released a witness list for its hearing to examine “the imperial presidency” of George W. Bush.
Testifying Friday morning will be Rep. Dennis Kucinich, who has introduced several resolutions calling for President Bush’s and Vice President Dick Cheney’s impeachment; former Rep. Bob Barr, the Libertarian presidential candidate who led the charge to impeach Bill Clinton in 1998; Vincent Bugliosi, author of the just-released book The Prosecution of George W. Bush for Murder; and 10 other current and former members of Congress, constitutional experts and human rights activists.
“Americans have been waiting for Congress to hold the President accountable for his long list of misdeeds and misrepresentations. This hearing is a long overdue first step,” Kucinich said. “Congress enacted legislation authorizing the use of force against Iraq based on representations made by the White House. We now know that these representations were false and that the White House knew them to be false.”
The hearing, which was announced last week, seems to be the one Judiciary Chairman John Conyers promised to Kucinich after he introduced his second impeachment resolution aimed at Bush earlier this month. Any action on Kucinich’s articles of impeachment still seems unlikely, but the Ohio Democrat has previously said he just wants to be able to present his case.
Late Thursday afternoon, the committee released the full witness list, broken down into two panels.
Read the list:
http://rawstory.com//news/2008/Imperial_presidency_hearing_to_feature_13_0724.html
** Haven’t been able to find any more information about Kucinich’s unnamed witness. I hope that this gets SOME MSM coverage so the “average” citizens who do not follow progressive blogs and news sources find out about this. I think that it could help force Pelosi and her band of complicit crooks to start impeachment proceedings.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:05 am“A petition to send former White House deputy chief of state Karl Rove to jail over refusing a subpoena to testify before a House committee has gained over 100,000 signatures,” according to Robert Greenwald’s Brave New Films and online activists.
If Congrsss wants to see its approval ratings go double digits again, it WILL arrest Rove.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:06 am“A petition to send former White House deputy chief of state Karl Rove to jail over refusing a subpoena to testify before a House committee has gained over 100,000 signatures,”
I’ll believe KKKarl will go to jail when pigs fly.
But I’ll gladly sign the petition…
July 25th, 2008 at 9:08 amIraqi Teams Banned From Olympics
Just two weeks before the start of the Olympics, Iraq was told Thursday it’s not welcome in Beijing because of a political feud in Baghdad that angered the games’ guardians and exiled a country that arrived to a roaring ovation at the opening ceremony four years ago.
The International Olympic Committee told Iraqi sports officials in a letter that it would uphold its ban imposed in June after the government in Baghdad replaced its national Olympic panel with members not recognized by the IOC.
The IOC had called the move unacceptable government interference. “Clearly we’d very much like to have seen Iraq’s athletes in Beijing,” said IOC spokeswoman Giselle Davies. “We are very disappointed that the athletes have been so ill-served by their own government’s actions.”
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/24/iraqi-teams-banned-from-o_n_114828.html
If the IOC really cared about government actions what are they doing having the games in China. I’m sorry, this is hypocritical to an extreme. But the IOC thought that Odai, Saddam Hussein’s son, was an acceptable representative even though he “was accused of torturing athletes who came up short.” This is the one time an athlete can shine and not carry the sigma of the country they represent. I think they should be allowed to compete.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:09 am“The American public is not buying the arguments of President Bush and the oil industry that new drilling will lower gas prices,” with 63 percent saying increased drilling is “more likely to enrich oil companies than to lower gas prices.” A separate Wall Street Journal/NBC poll found that voters trust Democrats over Republicans to deal with energy, 42 to 22 percent.
Better tell the MSM. They are reporting that 65% of us want them to drill offshore and in ANWR. Big Brother must approve of their complicity.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:09 amRep. George Miller (D-CA) pledged today to introduce legislation that would “block an eleventh-hour effort by the Labor Department to make it more difficult to limit workers’ exposure to chemicals on the job.” Miller said he was determined to stop the “secret rule” that has been described as “a parting gift” to industry from the Bush administration.
About time a Democrat found his spine.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:10 amObama and the “Keeper of the Secret”
Bill Anderson
LRC Blog
July 24, 2008
It seems that every once in a while, our political classes and their media partners place the mantle of “Keeper of the Secret” upon a political figure. After he was assassinated (but not before) John F. Kennedy was given that title.
Alas, the title then fell to Jimmy Carter, but he apparently could not keep the secret, so we waited for Teddy Kennedy, but he had this little problem of not winning the nomination for president. Then it was John Jr., who had to take the New York Bar Exam at least three times before passing it but he, too, died before he could lead us to the Promised Land.
Today, Barack Obama is the official “Keeper of the Secret.” Yes, Obama KNOWS how to make socialism work; he can remake the Law of Scarcity, and he can bring peace and prosperity to everyone simply by manipulating the tax code and subsidizing fascist entities like Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac.
Today’s “The Messiah Has Arrived” speech in Berlin was just another example of this worshipful nonsense that the political classes foist upon people. I recently read a bumper sticker with Obama’s picture on it and “Hope” written under the picture.
I’m sorry, but the idea of a politician being the source of hope is too much. And Obama as the Messiah is just plain laughable, yet we can expect to see this kind of coverage for the next year or more, since I am sure he easily will win the presidential election. The last time we saw this kind of political adulation was when the Roman emperors claimed to be gods. That will be the next step for Obama. Stay tuned.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:11 amAnd finally: Ted Stevens sticks by his “series of tubes.”
Idiot.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:11 am#3 And the beat goes on Says:
FR Great minds think alike. I am going to post anyway.
Good Morning:) This one is over the top. It deserves an encore.
Good to see you…
July 25th, 2008 at 9:13 amThe only landmark in the new House ethics panel is the makeup, “Private citizens” means ex-members of Congress and paid staffers. The fox once again monitors the henhouse in Washington, D.C.
They have the gall to imply an average citizen is monitoring Congressional behavior. Nothing could be further from the truth.
“…four out of six members of the board for the newly created Office of Congressional Ethics (OCE) will be former members of Congress, including former CIA Director Porter Goss (R-Fla.), who will serve as co-chairman.
The other board members include Rep. David Skaggs (D-Colo.), who will serve as chairman of the board, former Rep. Yvonne Brathwaite Burke (D-Calif.), former Rep. Karan English (D-Ariz.), former House Chief Administrative Officer Jay Eagen and Allison Hayward, the former chief of staff to Bradley Smith, a Republican-appointed former chairman of the Federal Election Commission.
Two additional former members will serve as alternate appointees to the board: former federal judge and ex-Rep. Abner Mikva (D-Ill.) and former Rep. Bill Frenzel (R-Minn.).
July 25th, 2008 at 9:18 amHome foreclosures were up 121 percent from a year earlier, “amid the worst U.S. housing market downturn since the Great Depression.”
Mission Accomplished. The conversion of our society into a corporatist feudal system is just about there.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:18 amWhat did we miss?
Rachel Maddow was on the Today Show this a.m., interviewed by Dick Gregory. Rachel Maddow? WTF?
I mean, they usually give air time to some foaming-at-the-mouth reich-wing nut, like Trannie Coulter, or Joe Scarborough.
also, over at http://www.rawstory.com; Lawyer: Rove Incriminated Himself In Siegelman Case.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:21 amBen Stein compares Obama’s speech before 75,000 people to something Hitler would have done.
As if McPutz is going to give his in front of no more than 10-12 people.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:24 am“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) on Thursday announced joint appointments to a landmark ethics review board” that will allow private citizens to review allegations against members
It is about time. Notice how all of a sudden Congress is actually starting to do some “real” work. Too bad this hasn’t been going on since 2006, they may have really gotten important legislation passed much sooner. I can’t wait till most of them are thrown out after the election.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:25 amReactionary statements from McCain, et al, in regard to media coverage of Obama have become downright hilarious.
McChimp is whining about all 3 network anchors being on the trip, but none of them followed his escapades. He fails to mention, of course, that he asked them NOT to join him.
Hate Radio is whining the same tune, never mentioning the free pass they’ve given MsStupid.
Deal with it; your time is up & your candidate is a dunce.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:25 am‘The co-chairman will be former CIA director Porter Goss, who “opposed launching an investigation into the Valerie Plame CIA leak case.”’
July 25th, 2008 at 9:25 am(sigh)
I’m all for reasonable compromise, but What is Speaker Pelosi thinking?
Might French President Nicolas Sarkozy put a plug in for his step brother Oliver? The Carlyle Group’s chief of financial investments wrote a WSJ piece recently. He recommended federal regulations be eased in order for private equity (and their sovereign wealth fund backers) to invest in failing American banks.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:26 amunbelievable Says:
And finally: Ted Stevens sticks by his “series of tubes.”
Idiot.
What do Alaska and Oklahoma have in common, besides the oil?
Here in Oregon, we’ve got a great Democratic senator and a Republican. I don’t like Gordon Smith, but at least I don’t have to cringe in mortification every time he opens his mouth.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:27 amFreedom Rebel, read who Pelosi and Boehner appointed. There are no real citizens on the ethics panel, just ex-members of Congress and paid staffers. They stacked the panel with players and ex-players.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:29 amWhat is Dick Gregory doing interviewing people on the Today show? And why is he subbing for David Gregrory?
July 25th, 2008 at 9:32 amTed Stevens:
I just the other day got, an internet was sent by my staff at 10 o’clock in the morning on Friday and I just got it yesterday. Why?
Because it got tangled up with all these things going on the internet commercially…
They want to deliver vast amounts of information over the internet. And again, the internet is not something you just dump something on. It’s not a truck.
It’s a series of tubes.
And if you don’t understand those tubes can be filled and if they are filled, when you put your message in, it gets in line and its going to be delayed by anyone that puts into that tube enormous amounts of material, enormous amounts of material.
ROFL what the hell is he talking about?
July 25th, 2008 at 9:32 amWhy isn’t the GOP Spin Machine working overtime for McCain? Their strategy seems to be non-existant, and McCain is so incredibly inept that only the most retarded of fools would want him to lead a cub scout troop, much less a country. I wonder, what are we missing here? Dare I ask, what is the Repug 11th hour strategy? (Iran?… Another Northwoods?….)
July 25th, 2008 at 9:33 amDemocratic Convention To Include Interfaith Service Led By Pentecostal
Plans are coming together for the 2008 Democratic National Convention scheduled next month in Denver. But one question remains for the organizers to answer – what to do with those pesky atheists in the party. Specifically, should they be represented in the interfaith service someone deemed necessary to open the Convention? And in case you haven’t heard about that yet, not only will there be an interfaith service, but it will be led by a Pentecostal minister, Leah Daughtry.
If you don’t recall interfaith services at previous Democratic conventions, that is because this appears to be the first. Not surprisingly, atheists are asking whether they will have any role in such a service or whether they are correct to interpret this as exclusionary.
Personally, I am not overly worried about whether atheists end up being part of the interfaith service or not. On the other hand, I am worried about why an interfaith service is deemed necessary in a country founded on separation of church and state. I am even more bothered over the role of a Pentecostal minister in organizing the service.
If this article is accurate, as I believe it is, in describing the Pentecostal brand of Christianity as “a fast-growing growing branch of evangelical Christianity that emphasizes the supernatural, including healing, prophesy and speaking in tongues,” you’ll understand my concern. Modern Americans should be embarrassed by such a set of beliefs rather than trying to elevate them in status.
http://www.atheistrev.com/2008/07/democratic-convention-to-include.html
July 25th, 2008 at 9:35 amA bit more on Oliver Sarkozy’s Carlyle Group and their discussions with the Fed to invest in failing U.S. banks:
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=20601068&sid=aY30IWSXGovw&refer=home
July 25th, 2008 at 9:36 amKay Says
July 25th, 2008 at 9:11 am
The last time we saw this kind of political adulation was when the Roman emperors claimed to be gods. That will be the next step for Obama. Stay tuned.
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Nonsense. The last time we saw this kind of political adulation was for Ronald Reagan. When he resurrected the Republican Party from the shambles Watergate made of it, he was revered as a messiah. Even today, he’s considered one of the most influential politicians in the country, and he’s DEAD.
I find it both amusing and pathetic that Obama’s popularity and his eloquence — which would be positives for anybody else — are spun as negatives by his detractors. Yes, he can draw a crowd and he can make a speech. And this equates him with Hitler and Roman wannabegod emperors? I can’t believe this is all his opposition has to work with.
Oh, and I haven’t seen any evidence that Obama wants to be God. If you have a link from an unbiased site where Obama has declared this as a personal goal, by all means — provide it.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:37 amI submit that what the World saw yesterday in Berlin was an ‘awakening’ of people committed to addressing this planet’s issues on a large scale through unity and compassion.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:38 amSure, the MSM, Republics & Hate Radio will question the very premise of a candidate, not President, speaking to an international audience. So?
If not now, when?
Obama projects hope. You can criticize, cajole, downplay or reject that premise, but reconstructing or changing the entire infrastructure of how government works is the mission most people think is important right now.
Go ahead & blast me for being a ‘hopium addict’, I could care less. What I care about is someone having the balls to call a spade a spade. End the doublespeak & corporate collusion. Restore honor & justice in this great Country.
We’re running out of time, but Obama is here now…just in time.
#22 stateofthedivision Says:
Freedom Rebel, read who Pelosi and Boehner appointed. There are no real citizens on the ethics panel, just ex-members of Congress and paid staffers. They stacked the panel with players and ex-players.
I stand corrected, I thought they were going to actually put “real people” on the panel. Not enough caffiene in my system yet. I thought their intent was to have “real” people that weren’t politicized to review. Now that would be a good course of action that is badly needed.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:40 amgummitch Says: Here in Oregon, we’ve got a great Democratic senator and a Republican. I don’t like Gordon Smith, but at least I don’t have to cringe in mortification every time he opens his mouth.
I wish I lived in Oregon…
July 25th, 2008 at 9:42 amRegarding #10
St. Ronny Raygun: “Morning In America”
George H.W. Bush : “A Thousand Points Of Light”
Presidential hopeful Bob Dole: “Erections for Everyone” (okay, that isn’t true)
King George W Bush 1st:
July 25th, 2008 at 9:43 am“God loves you, and I love you. And you can count on both of us as a powerful message that people who wonder about their future can hear.” –
“Families is where our nation finds hope, where wings take dream.”
“The best way to defeat the totalitarian of hate is with an ideology of hope — an ideology of hate — excuse me –with an ideology of hope.”
misshusseinmolly, the voice of reason once again. heaven forbid we have someone who wants to be president and is actually qualified to be a world leader…
July 25th, 2008 at 9:44 amANY religion does not blend with politics, because ANY organized religion is driven by the perception that everyone should follow their dogma, and those who do not believe exactly as they do are wrong (speaking of the mass consciousness of religions, not selecting individuals). In fact, every religion involving itself in politics has at its root the desire to create a theocracy. Thus, the concept of separation of church and state: to avoid a theocracy, which in ANY instance will deny all discordant religions. No religion is tolerant of another bleief that does not agree with their dogma. Period.
Religion has NO PLACE in politics.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:46 amre 34: Puddin Head, while what you say may be true for most religions, it is not true for Unitarian Universalists. We accept all religious beliefs, including the absence of belief. Come join us for worship and be saved…oh crap.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:52 amunbelievable Says
July 25th, 2008 at 9:35 am
Personally, I am not overly worried about whether atheists end up being part of the interfaith service or not. On the other hand, I am worried about why an interfaith service is deemed necessary in a country founded on separation of church and state. I am even more bothered over the role of a Pentecostal minister in organizing the service.
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And, as a Christian, I am offended by the exploitation of religion for pandering purposes. Jesus told us to go into our closets to pray, instead of making a showy display of piety. If, as I assume, some delegates seek spiritual guidance for the work they will be doing at the convention, there should be avenues where they can get what they need without making a carnival of it.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:53 amooops, my bad. I entered Dick gregory(although he would have been cool for that), I meant David Gregory.
Sorry about that.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:53 amFull Text Of Obama’s Berlin Speech:
http://tpmelectioncentral.talkingpointsmemo.com/2008/07/full_text_of_obama.php
July 25th, 2008 at 9:56 am
puddin head Says
July 25th, 2008 at 9:33 am
Why isn’t the GOP Spin Machine working overtime for McCain? Their strategy seems to be non-existant, and McCain is so incredibly inept that only the most retarded of fools would want him to lead a cub scout troop, much less a country. I wonder, what are we missing here? Dare I ask, what is the Repug 11th hour strategy? (Iran?… Another Northwoods?….)
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I suspect that the GOP Spin Machine has recognized the futility of polishing a turd where McCain is concerned. Therefore, they are focusing their efforts on trashing Obama instead. I fully expect to hear more negatives about Obama than positives about McCain this fall.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:56 amThe whole drill here, drill now bit was a complete scam perpetuated by the corporate media in connections with oil companies to mobilize Americans to pressure congress into opening up sensitive areas. It’s a strategy that is used to push through unpopular policies in a time of crisis.
These bastards involved in the scam should be thrown in jail, it’s completely undemocratic, anti-American and anti-human.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:01 ampuddin head Says: Religion has NO PLACE in politics.
The funny thing is that in teh beginning (of America), the Deists and Atheists were sided with the Evangelicals on this matter.
The freethinkers didn’t want religion polluting their politics, while the Evangelicals didn’t want politics polluting their religion. As a result, America became a secular nation.
Unfortunately, the Evangelicals changed their minds, as too many churches try to influence politics these days.
This is a major issue where I am disappointed with Obama’s refusal to acknowledge, much less accept and include non-religious America. We are, after all, the fastest growing ‘religious group’ in the nation.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:03 amWith Arizona Changing, McCain Focuses on Home
PHOENIX — As a general rule, Senator John McCain does not alert the news media when he eats breakfast in Arizona.
But on a Monday morning this month, Mr. McCain campaigned in a local diner, after a Sunday stop at his campaign office here, where he urged volunteers to “make sure we get our voters registered, to make sure we are organized.”
In the sea of uncertainty that defines American politics, presidential candidates have generally been able to count on the residents of their home state, Al Gore’s loss of Tennessee in 2000 being a notable exception.
But a variety of factors have made Mr. McCain’s chances in Arizona less assured than they ordinarily would seem, which his campaign has acknowledged.
The number of independent voters in Arizona has risen 12 percent since 2004, and those voters have helped send a Democrat to the governor’s mansion and given the party four of the state’s eight Congressional seats — including two in 2006, one in a historically Republican district.
At the same time, Arizona Democrats, like many of their counterparts around the country, have outpaced Republicans in voter registration, adding almost 20,000 voters to the rolls since March, compared with the Republican majority’s 8,600 new voters. The second-term Democratic governor, Janet Napolitano, remains wildly popular.
Last month, the McCain campaign startlingly added Arizona to its list of 24 “battleground states,” a fact that state Democrats have clung to like sprinkles on a soft-serve ice cream cone.
http://www.nytimes.com/2008/07/24/us/politics/24arizona.html?_r=1&oref=slogin
July 25th, 2008 at 10:05 amIf you don’t think changing presidents can change the direction of a country then maybe you have been asleep for the last 8 years.
Obama will change the direction again….for the better. Guess you just want to keep going the direction we have been going.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:06 amThe Denver Post has announced the plans for the DNC Free Speech Zone for the Denver Convention.
“The fence around the public demonstration zone outside the Democratic National Convention will be chicken wire or chain link, authorities revealed in U.S. District Court today. That may allow protesters to be seen and heard by delegates going in and out of the Pepsi Center during the convention.
But the American Civil Liberties Union and several advocacy groups have filed an amended complaint to their lawsuit against the U.S. Secret Service and the city and county of Denver that says protesters and demonstrators may have their First Amendment rights violated by security restrictions.
The ACLU has said it wants to avoid the conditions that existed during the 2004 convention in Boston, where protesters were caged, infuriating First Amendment advocates.
The first phase of the lawsuit asked the court to compel the city and the Secret Service to disclose the information on protest restrictions.
During today’s hearing before Judge Marcia S. Krieger, the attorney for the groups, Steve Zansberg, said the city and the Secret Service had provided the information sought in Phase One.
The second phase of the lawsuit will address whether the restrictions are unconstitutional. Zansberg also represents The Denver Post on First Amendment issues, though the paper is not a party in this dispute.
The groups agreed to go to trial on those issues on July 29 and the judge will visit the site the night before to assess the restrictions.
Guess Pumas and folks that are planning to March on the DNC better be prepared to be caged. Of course, I’m not sure how well Pumas do in cages. Hopefully, this court challenge will stop further erosion of first amendment rights. According to another article in the Post, these are some changes being requested by the ACLU and 13 other groups.
An increase in the size and location of the public demonstration zone in Lot A of the Pepsi Center so that people in the zone can access delegates through sight and sound and an electrically-powered sound amplification system.
Change the parameters of the zone to accommodate more people marching to the Pepsi Center during the convention.
Stop searches of people or possessions where such searches are based on a person’s entry into the zone rather than “probable cause” or “reasonable suspicion.”
Allow for the distribution of leaflets and pamphlets to the delgates.
Allow for parades that pass by the Pepsi Center along the south side of Chopper Circle and the adjoining east side of Ninth Street during times when the delegates are present.
Allow alternative parades requested by Recreate 68 to the federal courthouse on Aug. 25 and by Escuela Tlatelolco to Sunken Gardens Park on Aug. 26.
Right now, protesters will be kept in an area where they will not be able to leaflet convention attendees. They will not be allowed to parade when conventioneers are entering or leaving the Pepsi Convent Center. They will at least be seen. However, this effectively blocks any access protesters will have to their supposedly democratically elected representatives.
So much for Free Speech.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:07 amRove is former White House Deputy Chief of Staff, not “chief of state.”
July 25th, 2008 at 10:09 ammisshusseinmolly Says:
I suspect that the GOP Spin Machine has recognized the futility of polishing a turd where McCain is concerned. Therefore, they are focusing their efforts on trashing Obama instead. I fully expect to hear more negatives about Obama than positives about McCain this fall.
There was some funny McCain stuff in the morning paper. He was speaking at a cancer survivor event (Lance Armstrong program) and was all puffed up about being there. “My opponent, of course, is traveling in Europe.” I guess it would have been OK if Obama had been traveling in Colombia.
And then there was McCain complaining about Obama’s Berlin speech, which apparently should only be done by a president, not a candidate. “I’d like to make a speech in Europe . . . ” except, my friend, no one would show up!
And, further good news: according to the Republicans, Arizona is a battleground state. Arizona!
July 25th, 2008 at 10:10 amIf the solution to the oil problem is to drill more oil, why doesn’t the government require all US-owned oil fields that have already been discovered, but are not yet in production to immediatley begin production (I have no figures on the numbers here, but reports indicate that GW himself owns an oil field, with oil in it, that is not currently pumping oil).
July 25th, 2008 at 10:10 am10. Kay Says:
The troll named Kay is back. Just couldn’t resist. Using right wing methods and rhetoric, the troll named Kay is distorting what Obama said and the response to what he said. It is the right wing and trolls like Kay who call Obama the “messiah”. The fact is, they are either racist or jealous that people truly like Obama and find his message of hope uplifting. But to conspiracy nuts like Kay, his message of hope is threatening.
What is it with you troll Kay. Are you a racist? Or are you just stupid? Your anti Obama rants are ignorant and boring.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:11 ampuddin head: “In fact, every religion involving itself in politics has at its root the desire to create a theocracy”
I’d say ‘every hierarchical religion has at it’s roots the desire to create a theocracy”. The major re;igions, Christianity and Islam are absolutely political organizations and always have been.
The Roman Catholic church anointed and appointed rulers in Europe and manipulated successions for their own ends. They derived their original ‘authority’ from the Roman Empire.
I;d argue that because the Muslim faith has no single leader it’s influence is rather dispersed and the majority of Muslim nations are still very tribal and clannish, feudal basically so the political power of the entire faith has been and still is fractured and localized, genrally operating within defined borders.
The Roman Catholic Church was built up from the Roman Empire and was able to exploit it.
Religion’s can’t help but be political. What was it Jesus supposedly said? “Where two or more are gathered in God’s name that is a church” ?
By the same token ‘where two or more are gathered in the name of anything, that’s a political party‘.
But as you say, it’s the goddammed dogma that’s the issue. And also the false piety.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:13 amOooooh, first letters and now petitions, I’m sure our Democratic leaders will do whats right now.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:14 amKay,
Instead of trashing Obama, like the McCain camp, why not support McKinney? Why not talk about her strengths and what she will do as President? Seems the higher road.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:15 amHouse Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) on Thursday announced joint appointments to a landmark ethics review board” that will allow private citizens to review allegations against members. The co-chairman will be former CIA director Porter Goss, who “opposed launching an investigation into the Valerie Plame CIA leak case.
That is just laughable.
Ethics review board, with private citizen — good.
Porter Goss — WTF?
Talk about cutting yourself off at the knees…
July 25th, 2008 at 10:15 amAlso,
Thanks again for the statistics.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:15 amgummitch Says: Here in Oregon, we’ve got a great Democratic senator and a Republican. I don’t like Gordon Smith, but at least I don’t have to cringe in mortification every time he opens his mouth.
gummitch – I’m interested in why you don’t cringe in mortification every time Smith opens his mouth. I cringe because I know that either a lie or a distortion of the truth will come out of his mouth.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:16 amKay is still having a hard time with those aour grapes. His candidate Hillary Clinton couldn’t cut the mustard so he figures sabotaging the Obama campaign would be the next best thing for this country. Oh sorry kay, third best behind voting for Nader riiiigggghhhhttt?
July 25th, 2008 at 10:17 amKay Says:
The last time we saw this kind of political adulation was when the Roman emperors claimed to be gods. That will be the next step for Obama. Stay tuned.
July 25th, 2008 at 9:11 am
That’s bullshit, Kay.
Seek help. Please.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:18 ammea culpa kay, mckinney not nader. apples and oranges IMHO
July 25th, 2008 at 10:18 am#29 Zimzone Says:
Go ahead & blast me for being a ‘hopium addict’, I could care less. What I care about is someone having the balls to call a spade a spade. End the doublespeak & corporate collusion. Restore honor & justice in this great Country.
We’re running out of time, but Obama is here now…just in time.
Good Morning Zimzone :) I won’t blast you. People need hope, not just here but around the world. You are right, Obama gives them that. Our “War-Mongering” President has hurt so many other economies. When we become prosperous again, we buy from all their countries more. That doesn’t include all the government contracts also to be had.
I also agree that Obama will have good objectives to fix the world’s view of our country, while we “restore our honor & justice”. He has his work cut out for him, I do believe that he can rise to the occasion.
Have a good day !!
July 25th, 2008 at 10:19 amKay Says:
Now you step beyond your irrational hatred for Obama and are attacking the entire democratic party?
You have shown me your true colors and I think you are just here to cause disruption. That is the definition of a troll.
I will flag you from now on for the types of posts you have been submitting here today.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:19 amDare I ask, what is the Repug 11th hour strategy? (Iran?… Another Northwoods?…
I still say they are going to pull a switch at the convention. They have McCain out there now as their sacrificial lamb. They they will say he’s too sick at the convention and choose Romney. The Republicans will get fired up because Romney IS NOT McCain and the Democrats will be fighting a new, fresh candidate two months before the election.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:19 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: I still say they are going to pull a switch at the convention.
How can they legally do that when McCain won the votes to be the nominee? Plus, he wants it soooo badly that you know he wouldn’t go quietly.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:23 amAre there laws about the party nominees? (really?) I would have thought that a political party could change that at their own peril (I mean, technically, you are supposed to be able to write in whoever you want to vote for — though with electronic voting machines I don’t know if that’s possible anymore — so much for an appearance of actual democracy).
July 25th, 2008 at 10:28 am“House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-CA) and Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) on Thursday announced joint appointments to a landmark ethics review board” that will allow private citizens to review allegations against members. The co-chairman will be former CIA director Porter Goss, who “opposed launching an investigation into the Valerie Plame CIA leak case.”
What exactly are private citizens supposed to review when Pelosi can’t be bothered to invesitage anyone, including members of the most corrupt party on record?
http://progressiveworldreview.com
July 25th, 2008 at 10:29 amunbelievable Says
July 25th, 2008 at 10:23 am
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says: I still say they are going to pull a switch at the convention.
How can they legally do that when McCain won the votes to be the nominee? Plus, he wants it soooo badly that you know he wouldn’t go quietly.
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You’re right in that no switch could take place without McCain’s cooperation. But would his cooperation more likely come as a result of bribes? or threats? and will Cheney still be running the show?
July 25th, 2008 at 10:30 amCaption:
‘I owe my entire career to your lying, Karl’
July 25th, 2008 at 10:36 amMcCain meeting with the Dalai Lama?
July 25th, 2008 at 10:38 ampuddin head Says: Are there laws about the party nominees?
There are election laws. They can’t just change the results of an election. Not that stopped them in 2000 or 2004…
July 25th, 2008 at 10:39 amKay Says:
[...] And Obama as the Messiah is just plain laughable
listen to RUSH much?
July 25th, 2008 at 10:42 ampuddin head Says
July 25th, 2008 at 10:28 am
Are there laws about the party nominees?
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I don’t know about that, but your question brings to mind the fact that Howard Dean has said that the Democratic pledged delegates MAY VOTE THEIR CONSCIENCE instead of voting for the candidate they are pledged to on the first ballot. While I don’t expect too many defectors, I imagine the flexibility is there just in case the presumptive nominee starts eating live babies on the U.S. Capitol steps immediately prior to the convention.
But are the rules the same for the Republicans? If they are, then the GOP powers would have to figure out a way to get delegates to defect from McCain in droves. Still a tall order.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:42 amrather, i should say:
you listen to RUSH too much.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:43 amvinylspear Says: McCain meeting with the Dalai Lama?
McStake thinks the man is Catholic…Jewish?…Sunni?
Whatever…he’s religious, so McStake needs his support.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:48 amRep. George Miller (D-CA) pledged today to introduce legislation that would “block an eleventh-hour effort by the Labor Department to make it more difficult to limit workers’ exposure to chemicals on the job.” Miller said he was determined to stop the “secret rule” that has been described as “a parting gift” to industry from the Bush administration.
I guess I’m still a little naive. The extent to which bush and the rich republicans consider rank and file Americans an expendable commodity never ceases to amaze me :(
July 25th, 2008 at 10:50 amCan you imagine how the media would be getting their panties in a bunch if it was Obama meeting with the Dalai Lama?!
I can imagine the headlines now…
July 25th, 2008 at 10:53 ammisshusseinmolly Says: You’re right in that no switch could take place without McCain’s cooperation. But would his cooperation more likely come as a result of bribes? or threats? and will Cheney still be running the show?
I can’t imagine what McCain would want more than being President, so I imagine we should expect him to go hunting with Dick Cheney around August 20th or so?
July 25th, 2008 at 10:54 amFreedom Rebel Says:
This sounds very familiar, like what Rove did to Valerie Plame. Why does Rove always go after the wives of these men?
That’s easy. Because he is a chickensh!t coward. I hope Tubby McTreason dies in prison.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:54 amFreedom Rebel Says:
I take it she won’t be traveling outside the US after she is out of office, she won’t have diplomatic immunity anymore.
I hope she dies in prison too.
July 25th, 2008 at 10:56 amZimzone Says: Whatever…he’s religious, so McStake needs his support.
That might be debatable, since many Buddhists think that belief in any god is pointless since it is impossible to prove that a god exists… :)
July 25th, 2008 at 10:56 amBush and the rich Repugs consider the entire world an expedable commodity: if you are not making them money you are a liability. Kind of a corporate bottom-line version of “You’re either with us or against us”. Asset or liability (and the only assets of value to them are other rich people or corporations that are “playing ball” with them). The “rank and file Americans” are worthless trash to them. You all require wages, and houses, and food, and other stuff like that. It would be so much better if everyone in the rank and file were just slaves. Like it would be so much easier if GW was “Dictator” (gee… didn’t he say something to that effect?….)
July 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amdumb and dumber.
all in the same person.
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thank you.
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July 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amAnd the beat goes on Says:
Chew on this
I bet KKKarl hears of lot of that in prison :)~
July 25th, 2008 at 10:58 amExit Stage Left Says:
… “block an eleventh-hour effort by the Labor Department to make it more difficult to limit workers’ exposure to chemicals on the job.” …
I guess I’m still a little naive. The extent to which bush and the rich republicans consider rank and file Americans an expendable commodity never ceases to amaze me :(
remember that EPA report that lowered the value of human life?
ties in nicely, huh…
July 25th, 2008 at 10:59 amcaption contest:
“All swelled up with patriotic feeling and ready to be humped like a frog.”
quote borrowed from “Brokeback Mountain”
July 25th, 2008 at 11:00 amWhen I stop to think about it, it makes sense.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:01 amThe Dalai Lama will meet with him to try convince McCain that compassion must be embraced along peace and non-violence as the only long term solution.
The Dalai Lama is emotionally and intelectually beyond the mind set of war so he is trying to set that example for the McCain warrior.
#75 Exit Stage Left Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
This sounds very familiar, like what Rove did to Valerie Plame. Why does Rove always go after the wives of these men?
That’s easy. Because he is a chickensh!t coward. I hope Tubby McTreason dies in prison.
Good Morning Exit Stage Left :)
I agree, and I also think he assumes it is his achilles heel. What guy isn’t going to do everything he can for his wife when she is being threatened. You are right, the coward should rot in jail forever.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:01 amAny one watching the impeachment hearing on C-Span.? It’s on now, the people for have not testafied yet, so far just a bunch of rep’s blovating against..Watch as all this unfold’s…..
Beautiful day here in the Pacific North west…..Hope it is as well where everyone here is..
Could all here lighten up a bit, it’s getting more tiresom reading you group think attack’s on Kay than when we join together to get rid of troll’s..Don’t we all get to post our thought’s or have you all become like the right winger’s and I just didn’t notice…A little patience please, not everyone, including me agree with all here all the time….Thank you and you all have a great day….Blessings ~ Peace….
July 25th, 2008 at 11:02 ampuddin head Says: The “rank and file Americans” are worthless trash to them. You all require wages, and houses, and food, and other stuff like that.
Never mind that we consume their products, there by making them wealthy. Without us, they’d have nothing. They better start appreciating us, as the dawning of Socialistic Democracies in all other Industrialized Nations will eventually marginalize them.
Karl Marx was right.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:02 amre 77: Yes, but to the American Christian right, by visiting some foreign holy man he shows that 1) he is religious minded and 2) that he can reach out to other religions
July 25th, 2008 at 11:04 am(while in reality the “christian base” he panders to are very closed-minded to other religions, they don’t want to appear that way, and pay a lot of lip service to be open and acceptable of other’s beliefs. That’s why, they would argue, a Christian theocracy (need to get off that horse today… damn!) in America would be just fine — because THEY are so open minded and accepting. Kind of like “Fair and Balanced FOX”).
Freedom Rebel Says:
It is about time. Notice how all of a sudden Congress is actually starting to do some “real” work.
Good morning Frebster :)~
The repukes are just warming up for when there’s a Dem in the white house.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:05 am“Ooooh, Barack Obama is the messiah! He’s toooo popular!”"
July 25th, 2008 at 11:06 amWell, I’ve met him. Know friends of the family. He’s a nice guy. Smart, but in Hyde Park and at the University of Chicago, he’s an equal rather than a superior. And he’s comfortable, like most really intelligent people are, with people as smart as he is.
The Democratic party did not offer him the presidency in a landslide. Everybody complained how long it was, but it showed that, as opposed to all the personality crap fostered by the media and the Republicans, two candidates with neatly the same positions got nearly the same number of votes.
I’m pissed at Obama over FISA. Very pissed. I’m also opposed to his stand on faith-based programs, and I was angered at his campaigns back of the hand to Gen. Wesley Clark.
But thanks to the performance of John McCain, the media, and the hate-filled right blogosphere, I’m far far less uncomfortable about voting for jim in November, and helping him beforehand.
Keep it up, bozos. You’re doing a great job.
I want to see McStake in one of those Buddhist robes, carrying flowers & strewing petals ahead or his footsteps.
Is McCain a secret Buddhist?
July 25th, 2008 at 11:07 am#85 Witch1 Says:
Any one watching the impeachment hearing on C-Span.? It’s on now, the people for have not testafied yet, so far just a bunch of rep’s blovating against..Watch as all this unfold’s…..
Beautiful day here in the Pacific North west…..Hope it is as well where everyone here is..
Good morning witch 1 :)
Good to see you. You said it prefectly when you stated that rep’s are “bloviating”. More action and fewer words, I’m with you.
It’s a beautiful day in Ohio, thanks. Have a good day:)
July 25th, 2008 at 11:08 amZimzone Says:
Deal with it; your time is up & your candidate is a dunce.
I think you’ve come up with the perfect word for the buffoon: DUNCE.
I plan to steal it: McDunce ;)
July 25th, 2008 at 11:09 amunbelievable Says: I wish I lived in Oregon…
The Left Coast is waiting with open arms for all progressives
July 25th, 2008 at 11:10 am#88 Exit Stage Left Says:
Good morning Frebster :)~
The repukes are just warming up for when there’s a Dem in the white house.
That day can’t come soon enough for me. Obama is going to have his hands full cleaning up all the agencies from the DOJ to the EPA. I know I have high expectations, but I do also realize there will be a few bumps along the way. With the Republicans fighting him at every turn.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:15 amBack at ya Freedom Rebel, good to read you here and glad you are having good weather..I have the hearing on, puter up and running and sitting by the phone waiting for new’s of my buddy who is in surgery in N.H. as I type…Will not be around much….Blessings all…Peace
July 25th, 2008 at 11:17 am100,000 signatures on a petition but Bush will say he doesn’t listen to any “focus groups”. Except one. Karl Rove.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:25 amKucinich on C-Span now….Blessings, we really need them now..
July 25th, 2008 at 11:25 am#95 Witch1 Says:
Back at ya Freedom Rebel, good to read you here and glad you are having good weather..I have the hearing on, puter up and running and sitting by the phone waiting for new’s of my buddy who is in surgery in N.H. as I type…Will not be around much….Blessings all…Peace
I hope your buddy comes through surgery well. :)
July 25th, 2008 at 11:42 amThank You Freedom Rebel….I’m scared beyond word’s for her, she’s like a daughter to me…Blessings
July 25th, 2008 at 11:48 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
gummitch – I’m interested in why you don’t cringe in mortification every time Smith opens his mouth. I cringe because I know that either a lie or a distortion of the truth will come out of his mouth.
I only meant that at least he’s not a complete moron. I don’t trust him as far as I could throw him (which actually would be a fair distance), but he’s not an idiot like Stevens or Inhofe.
July 25th, 2008 at 11:54 amHey #1 my thoughts are with you and your friend today. Blessings.
July 25th, 2008 at 12:24 pmThank you Shayne…Still no word, she’s been in surgery for over 3 hour’s….Blessings
July 25th, 2008 at 12:35 pmJim Wilke Says:
Wow, a survey commissioned by the Wilderness Society finds that Americans don’t support more drilling for oil. What a shock………every other poll says the opposite.
Here’s a note from WSJ article TP cited:
By margins of 22 to 31 percentage points, voters in each of the states — Michigan, Colorado, Minnesota and Wisconsin — said they support
nd when we allow this drilling, and the inevitable spill occurs, the polls will shift in the opposite direction. You know this, as well as I. It seems you’re pushing quite hard for drilling in Alaska. One would think you had a personal financial stake in the matter, given the way you keep harping on it. How about it?
July 25th, 2008 at 12:56 pmHey! In the impeachment hearing, singer David Crosby’s in the audience!
July 25th, 2008 at 1:06 pmIt is obvious that Jim Wilke is a shill for big oil. Trat him as such.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:10 pmDon’t the Alaskan resident’s get a shared profit check every year for timber, oil and other revenue…Seem’s to me they get check’s that include a benefit for how many children they have as well..Anyone.?……Blessings
July 25th, 2008 at 1:25 pmJust a quick hello to all!
I’m here in muggy Orlando for a business conference.
Last night’s entertainment was Frank Caleindo(?), a comedian who does impersonations of celebrities.
He started off his routine by asking if anyone present was a fan of the current President.
In a room full of approximately 3,000, no one applauded. NO ONE!
PRICELESS!
It even took Frank by surprise (who then proceeded to impersonate Dubya to a friggin’ T)
Oh well, back at it.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:28 pmAs usual, take care all! And no, I have not seen nor pi$$ed on the infamous sign!!!
How about the idiot freak? Is he going to jail? The lying war criminal idiot who ruined this country and the world, will punishment come his way? Jailtime, death or both? The media already covers Obama as if he were the President. Bush’s legacy is nothing but a series of failures. The idiot reeks of failure. Death to the idiot!
July 25th, 2008 at 1:41 pmsee, here is a prime example:
Nader to ask Pa. court to reopen presidential nomination case
Philadelphia Inquirer – 10 hours ago
By Amy Worden HARRISBURG – Ralph Nader said yesterday that he would ask the Pennsylvania Supreme Court to reopen a case connected with the Democrats’ successful challenge to his 2004 presidential nomination petition.
FOUR YEARS…
HE FOOKS AROUND ABOUT IT FOR FOUR YEARS…
i don’t know any more that this, from the googlenews page, and that’s all i need to know…
FOUR YEARS. NUTTIN’.
July 25th, 2008 at 1:56 pmCaption:
“Sad to see my brain going into the slammer”
July 25th, 2008 at 2:09 pmThat would be $1,900.00 per family member if I remember correctly….All except the native tribe’s live there by choice..Native’s have lived there for generation’s..The few native’s predominately durive their living by the old way’s of fishing, pelt’s and hunting…I’m sorry, having known many previous Alaskan resident’s and heard from them I do not agree with your assesment’s…Further your post’s regarding your information using gail norton were of no value knowing her past and present affair’s…I do send you Blessings
July 25th, 2008 at 2:41 pmFred Says:
Now you step beyond your irrational hatred for Obama and are attacking the entire democratic party?
Well, first things first. I never said I have hatred for Obama. At best, I am wary of Obama. Especially in light of his change in positions re: FISA and Afghanistan.
Second of all, I have never been/never will be a racist. You don’t know me, so you cannot ascribe those qualities to me.
Most of all, I am a taxpaying citizen of this country — and I have every right to assert my positions.
For the DNC to erect cages for protesters is barbaric. If having a contrary opinion is worth of being called a troll, so be it.
Re-investigate 9/11
July 25th, 2008 at 2:46 pmImpeach.
World Court Tribunal.
How about requiring the oil industry develop and drill the 68 million acres of federal land they already have leases on before they are allowed access to ANWR and to offshore areas?
Also, the Energy Deparment’s Energy Information Administration show that if ANWR and off shore drllling were allowed this year, it would take four years (2012) to settle the leasing rights, three to five years (2015-17, not counting for intangibles) for oil production to actually begin, and then ten years for the oil produced to have a marginal impact on domestic markets (2027-30).
Lastly, how is it that GW Bush goes from his 2007 position of getting America off their oil addiction to his 2008 position of “we need more oil, dammit!”
I hope to God that this guy doesn’t open up a drug treatment center after he leaves office.
July 25th, 2008 at 4:15 pmPorter Goss and Nancy Pelosi making him head of the investigation. It figures. He would not investigate the Plame case, so of course there is not a chance for a real watch dog of any kind.
Especially in a do nothing Congress. What a joke. I bet the old shredding machine is running hot with over use. Getting rid of all documents that prove the Congress might have done wrong by us.
What a joke. Just another stupid, inane bit of theater to convince the voters things had changed when they will not. As long as the current crop of legislators, Pelosi in particular is running this corrupt congress nothing will be done. They will try and misdirect as much as possible. To keep from doing any authentic, substantive change. Especially one that covers:campaign finance reform, lobbyists, impeachment, or oversight of pork barrel spending etc.
The list is so long of what congress should be watching, there is no need to make a list. Just watch everything. Especially each other.
Pelosi must be the biggest phony is a congress full of phonies. And that is saying something.
July 25th, 2008 at 4:44 pmlike here?:
http://resourcescommittee.house.gov/images/stories/Documents/truth_about_americas_energy.pdf
And I would still like to know: why drill in ANWR and off shore when the impact on prices is both marginal and not felt until 2027-2030?
And why this change by Bush from taking on America’s addiction to oil to just keep feeding it?
July 25th, 2008 at 5:59 pmjw,clearly you are out of touch as well…I never mentioned racial or length of time you have lived anywhere..I also did not mention my attachment to any political party…Your’s seem obvious…May I suggest the oil companies use the present 28,000 leases they have tied up now before they go for another land grab of monumental praportion..That figure is from the senate hearing’s…
It was also stated by several oil companie’s that none of the oil you so desperately want drilled for in Alaska would go by pipe line but by barge to Japan, China and other foreign port’s….Same hearing’s..
Since you have a financial stake in this matter, getting your yearly check and all I hardly think you are a good link to what’s best for the country, Alaska and the world concerning oil companies and their miserable track record…
One last comment, very few people in the world have a choice of where they live..Birth, availability to water, food, job’s and all resourses dictate that…So it is in Africa it is also true of many in Alaska…I assume nothing except you are trolling for your own self intrest…
July 25th, 2008 at 7:24 pmSorry….after Alaska would ..should read NOT go by pipe line….
July 25th, 2008 at 7:27 pmWhoops, here’s that ANWR link again:
http://www.eia.doe.gov/ oiaf/ servicerpt/ anwr/ pdf/ sroiaf(2008)03.pdf
July 25th, 2008 at 7:53 pmPlain and simple. Everyone, including Republicans, knows that Rove is guilty as sin on numerous accounts. However, this ridiculous game both sides are playing, has turned the undeniable fact that Rove deserves to be in prison, on it’s head. It’s so damn simple. The Democrats need to stop being some god-damned calculating and timid, and The Republicans need to be so god-damned calculating and arrogant. This isn’t a game! Shame on both sides. Not everything is a popularity contest.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:18 pm