McClellan: Fox News Commentators Use The ‘Talking Points’ That The White House Sends Them
McClellan: Fox News Commentators Use The ‘Talking Points’ That The White House Sends Them
On MSNBC’s Hardball last night, host Chris Matthews asked former White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan if he saw “FOX television as a tool” to get the White House’s “message out” while he was in the Bush administration. “Certainly there were commentators and other, pundits at FOX News, that were useful to the White House,” replied McClellan, adding that they were given “talking points.”
Making a distinction between journalists like Brit Hume and commentators like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly, McClellan admitted that “certainly” the White House used Fox News talking heads as “spokespeople” with “a script”:
MATTHEWS: So, you wouldn’t use Brit Hume to sell stuff for them, but you’d use some of the nighttime guys?
MCCLELLAN: Yeah, I would separate that out, and certainly I, you know, they’ll say, that’s because they agree with those views in the White House.
MATTHEWS: Well, they didn’t need a script though, did they?
MCCLELLAN: No, well, probably not.
McClellan later told MSNBC’s Keith Olbermann that “it was done frequently, especially on high-profile issues” and that Fox often gave the White House “its desired results.” Current Press Secretary Dana Perino would only tell Olbermann, “I’m not aware of that.” Watch it:
Fox News’s close relationship to the Bush administration should come as no surprise to anyone, considering Fox’s Neil Cavuto once ran a segment asking if George W. Bush was “the best President.” But, as Olbermann notes, it “is one of those things you assumed to be true all along, yet you are shocked when the hard confirmation actually shows up on your door.”
Not only is Fox the network the White House turned to when Vice President Dick Cheney had to explain how he shot his friend in the face, but the network has also produced sympathetic documentaries on both Cheney and President Bush.
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Where can I get into the pool predicting what time the first Chimpy leg-humper shows up to trash McClellan's character without disputing his message?
July 26th, 2008 at 2:50 pmthis is HIGHLY ILLEGAL to use tax money to propagandize the populous.
July 26th, 2008 at 2:53 pmWinner of this year's Statement of the Obvious Award, Scott McClellan
July 26th, 2008 at 2:54 pmNot sure it's illegal on the premise of using Taxpayer money.
July 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pmI did not see anywhere they said the WH paid Faux.
However, it is slimee to say the least.
I had to laugh at the way Tweety defends his buddy, Brit Hume, that paragon of journalistic integrity.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:03 pmIs Dana saying that "in no time during her at least two year tenure at the White House Press Office did she prepare or pass on to Fox News commentators White House talking points?"
That's the problem with the Bushies, you have to ask the question exactly right to have a chance at an answer, honest or dishonest.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:06 pmIs Dana saying that “in no time during her at least two year tenure at the White House Press Office did she prepare or pass on to Fox News commentators White House talking points?”
She said, "I hadn't heard that," not "I haven't done that."
July 26th, 2008 at 3:08 pmThey feed Limbaugh too.
He was the first propagandist that I heard mention a high level meeting between Iraq reps. and Al Quida in Prague.
Folks, this country is in great peril.
¶ AIO
July 26th, 2008 at 3:09 pmI'm shocked, shocked I tell you to learn of gambling in this establishment! Fox News is less credible, reliable and informed than The Colbert Report, although it's unintentionally as funny.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:11 pmAnd all the trolls here are saying:
SO!!
July 26th, 2008 at 3:18 pmRandomChaos Says:
Not sure it’s illegal on the premise of using Taxpayer money.
I did not see anywhere they said the WH paid Faux.
However, it is slimee to say the least.
July 26th, 2008 at 2:59 pm
Nobody is saying that tapayer money was paid to Fox News Channel. Taxpayer money was spent paying the salaries of government employees, using government equipent, to disseminate misinformation to a privately owned media outlet for the express purpose of deceiving the public. That is, after all, what they have been doing all along.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:33 pmIt should come as no surprise to anyone to learn that FoxNews is the American version of Pravda.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:34 pmHow ironic. All these decades of demonising autocratic regimes, like the Soviet Union, when what Republicans wanted all along was recreate one such regime at home: Massive propaganda to mask failed policies, spying on their own citizens, curtail of individual rights, torture of prisoners to extract "confessions", cult of the personality of the Supreme (mis)Leader, concentration of power in the hands of said (mis)Leader, distortion of science for political purposes...
July 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pmGregor Samsa Says:
How ironic. All these decades of demonising autocratic regimes, like the Soviet Union, when what Republicans wanted all along was recreate one such regime at home: Massive propaganda to mask failed policies, spying on their own citizens, curtail of individual rights, torture of prisoners to extract “confessions”, cult of the personality of the Supreme (mis)Leader, concentration of power in the hands of said (mis)Leader, distortion of science for political purposes…
July 26th, 2008 at 3:41 pm
I agree, Gregor. The Republican Party has built its reputation on Reagan's (alleged) "heroic" defeat of the Soviet Union in the Cold War, only to have a Republican president turn us into the very thing they fought. By their own logic, we must all band together as Americans and defeat the Republican Party in November. It's what Reagan would have wanted. ;)
July 26th, 2008 at 3:46 pmGregor is absolutely Correct.
Even Bush agrees:
"If this were a dictatorship, it would be a heck of a lot easier,"
July 26th, 2008 at 3:49 pmBush said, pausing and then joking, "just so long as I'm the
dictator."
TripleKick 2,
What is lost on you is that McClellan hasn't revealed anything we didn't already know.
Duh.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:51 pmI wonder if CNN, and to a lesser extent MSNBC (Scarborough/Matthews) were also given talking points, or did they just follow suit because that's the direction the proverbial wind was blowing.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:53 pmI don't see a problem with "Talking Points".
Everyone is entitled to their side of the story.
My problem is with the so called News Media's lack of scrutiny, fact checking, opposing viewpoints, and naming the source.
Otherwise, it IS just propaganda.
July 26th, 2008 at 3:59 pmIt's what Reagan would have wanted
~Wayne A. Schneider
Heh. Now, that's ironic too ;-)
July 26th, 2008 at 4:00 pmIt is safe to assume the hate America right gives out daily marching orders of what is to be reported so they can all walk in lock step. We have seen this for years... especially with Faux. And if it is reported enough by enough outlets then it becomes truth. This fascism is our worst enemy in putting good moral intelligent dems in office.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pmWhy tell us now, Scott?
Is Fox News not living up to Bush’s and your current expectations?
You said the problem was the liberal media, remember Scott?
Is the problem really just anything that gets in the way of whatever you and George are doing?
Did this get in the way of what you and George are doing?
July 26th, 2008 at 4:05 pmObama McCain: differences on issues
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L8zPQEzWkOE
I read Scott's book. My take on it is that he came away very disappointed in the Republican party as a whole, not just the current admin.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:08 pmjoey Says:
Why tell us now, Scott?
Exactly...
These after the fact books and interviews... after death and destruction has occurred is outright criminal.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:14 pmNext chyron on FoxNews:
July 26th, 2008 at 4:16 pmHow much longer should Oceania be at war with Eurasia?
Barack Obama needs to declare that he will break up the Corporate Fascist Media War Machine Monopoly and put the 4th Estate back in balance with the voice of the local citizens!!
He will not see a second term unless he does this first. Otherwise, it's gonna be another hunting expedition on his first term just like Clinton! The MSM War Machine will not let up until Obama is gone!!
July 26th, 2008 at 4:16 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Dude, why do you bother coming here?
If it's to win people over to your side, have you succeeded in that, at all? No you haven't.
If it's to defend your father-figure / deity George Worst President Ever Bush, you fail at that too because all you do is recite the same crap all the rest of your sycophantic buddies spew.
If it's to bash liberals, you aren't even good at that.
So again, why do you come here? Are you some kind of masochist? because every time you come here with some kind of argument or attempt at debate, you get your ass handed to you, repeatedly.
So again, why do you come here? I'm sure there's a fantastic circle-jerk over at Little Green Nutjobs, Captain's quarters, or any of the other blogs that cater to your views. So go join them.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:22 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
The irony is lost on you Gregor. The actual irony is that this disgraced tool McClellan is being used by the left to sell *its* propaganda.
As always, the Repugs NEVER challenge what McClellan has said (They can't). They only attack the messenger, which proves what he says is true.
Gotta hurt to be one of them, right now. Scared and nothing they can do about it.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:23 pmThe "irony" is lost on you reich-wingers. The actual "irony" is that this disgraced tool herr dubyah uses faux and am hate radio to sell *its* propaganda.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:23 pm#30 Assuming Obama get's in office, right.?....Blessings
July 26th, 2008 at 4:24 pmThis is the biggest "Well, DUH!" news item this week.
Of course, it doesn't matter if it's illegal, only if the law is enforced....and we all know the likelihood of that with the current ironically named DOJ, don't we?
Not to mention Pelosi, Conyers and Reid acting on...*snicker*...congress taking action...*guffaw*....congress intervening..*snort*..BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
Sorry, couldn't get through that sentence with a straight face.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:25 pmFirst it's a given that Perino is lying. She is not the brightest light. She is a mouth piece, but she may not have been bright enough to figure it out. Most of us already know.
When the President invited all the talking heads to the Whitehouse it came out that most were Fox. And ALL OF THEM were right wing. It came out in the news. And a few brave souls even mentioned (in passing)that doing this might not be quite kosher. Sort of like....oh let's see. Propoganda.
This administration has already broken the rule regarding propoganda on American soil. This became public knowledge just a couple of months ago. When it came out that the Pentagon, against the law, had hired retired military to go on television and the news to talk up the war. Supposedly they were giving their professional UNPAID opinions as former military. Now we find out they were told what to say and were paid to say it. So all these years the military that went on to say how well this war was going, were paid to do it.
So for McClellan to say that commentators were given talking points is a real laugh. Actually most everyone I know already knew this. In fact over the years it has been talked about frequently. Most of us long since gave up expecting the media to check fact, or to report honestly. If they report at all. The media in this country is low. They were hijacked many years ago. And nothing has changed. We have a barely functioning free,objective press. They, like this country are CORPORATE.
The media sucks.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:26 pmLatest results....75 thousand in the Rasmussen tracking poll,
For the first five weeks after clinching the Democratic Presidential Nomination, Obama consistently led McCain by five or six points. Then, in the two weeks leading up to Obama’s overseas trip, support for the Democrat softened and the race got a bit tighter (see recent daily results). So far, the impact of Obama’s trip has been to restore the five or six point lead he enjoyed after capturing the nomination
July 26th, 2008 at 4:27 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
The irony is lost on you Gregor. The actual irony is that this disgraced tool McClellan is being used by the left to sell *its* propaganda.
This is a very telling post. First, TK admits that McClellan was a tool of the Bush administration. On that point, we can all agree. Then he claims that McClellan is now being used by the left to sell its propaganda.
This shows how victims of propaganda do not know the meaning of the word. Apparently, that is why they are taken in by the propaganda in the first place.
You see, if it is the truth, then it is not propaganda. Everyone has known for years that Fox News merely recites White House talking points, verbatim. This is not in question. Even TK knows this, but he likes it that way.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:28 pmThanks, Captain Obvious!!
July 26th, 2008 at 4:32 pm19. TripleKick 2 Says:
The irony is lost on you Gregor. The actual irony is that this disgraced tool McClellan is being used by the left to sell *its* propaganda.
Isn't this the same "disgraced tool" that used to sell bush's propaganda? The problem TripleKick has is that McClellan's still selling it, only not as the truth anymore.
("This week on 'This Old White House: When Tools Go Bad!")
July 26th, 2008 at 4:34 pmdixie blood Says:
Barack Obama needs to declare that he will break up the Corporate Fascist Media War Machine Monopoly and put the 4th Estate back in balance with the voice of the local citizens!!
I fear if Obama does this himself, the media will destroy him as at this time there are not enough seeing the truth and especially ready to see the truth.
But the fascist MSM desperately needs to be exposed and this is our job for the time being.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:37 pmBelieve it or not, propaganda can consist of factual information. Propaganda is simply selling an agenda in order to sway a large number of people. You don't have to lie to do it. Of course, this does not apply to the current administration in the slightest.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:38 pmWe can't begin to fix Faux, or mitigate the damage caused by Reichwing filth, so long as Katie Couric has a job.
It's impossible to enforce standards which no longer exist.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:39 pmFar too dangerous for Obama to act unilaterally, dixie.
Besides which, so long as Reichwing hate speak brings in the big bucks? Nothing will change. The only way to get the message across is to stop buying their crappy product.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:42 pmyou know the trolls get points with the mccain website for baiting us, right?
July 26th, 2008 at 4:42 pmLadies and gents, next, in a Herculean tour de force to stretch imagination and distort reality to their limits, Mr. Wilke will say "Clinton did it too!".
Stay tuned to find out how many words he will need to say it.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:43 pmNote: The Tribbleprick sock puppet has been downgraded to "harpy". All he does is crap on the dinner table and fly away when confronted.
Any engagement, aside from ridicule and contempt, is wasted.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:46 pmAnd another source of damage to Obama:
Last week Thom Hartmann talked about phonied up emails he is getting from the right.. he gets these as he purposely signed up as a R on some sites just to keep informed of what they are doing.
The swift boating has started and Obama's numbers are down today
Apparently think tanks are sending out in masses what appear to be credible emails from a soldier, an Obama rally goer...making accusations Obama is a racists and making comments that smear Obama's image.
Comments like:
I am a white person, Obama did not shake my hand at the rally as he did a black person and gave me a snear.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
And we must always remember that we are dealing with people who make the argument that 200,000 Germans, waving American flags and screaming their appreciation for an inspiring speech, were buying into "anti American propaganda".
Note to uniformed jackasses: European polls after Sen Obama's speech in Germany have shown that their opinion of the U.S, and it's future, went up a good deal. And the thousands of cheering U.S soldiers in Iraq would seem to indicate that they are not overly concerned that Sen. Obama might "surrender on the brink of victory" as McSpin and his legion of trolls would like to believe.
July 26th, 2008 at 4:59 pmI’ve been banned countless times, while never once violating TP’s TOS, and I’m always coming back. =)
And you're proud of this, basement dweller? Lulzy.
By the way, hate groups hate based on prejudice. TP hates based on reality. pwned again, take your ball and go home.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:04 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Brown acid,
I’m here simply to counter your leftosphere propaganda hate site. The inconsistencies and selective outrage demonstrated here are beyond the pale and need to be countered by alternative, sensible, informed views.
When you find those alternative, sensible, informed views via your fox news educaiton (sic), please enlighten us.
TripleKick 2 Says:
While TP doesn’t commit violence (yet), it does preach violence and it does make physical threats on our president and many conservative posters daily.
Yes and we all know the far-right never preaches violence. Regular pillars of peace you are.
(bomb bomb bomb Iran?)
Tripplekick2 Says:
Many here with extreme leftist entitlement attitudes don’t dare let their weak views be challenged, and rather than debate
Wait a second there cowboy...when have you ever debated? You just drop a propaganda point here like a turd on a lawn and run off. Sad excuse for debate.
I win. Try again.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:10 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Brown acid,
I’m here simply to counter your leftosphere propaganda hate site. The inconsistencies and selective outrage demonstrated here are beyond the pale and need to be countered by alternative, sensible, informed views. Obviously extremists aren’t going to agree with someone like me who’s not in their “cult” but that’s not why I’m here. I see little difference between this extreme hate site and the kkk or other extreme hate groups, as O’Reilly recently and accurately pointed out. While TP doesn’t commit violence (yet), it does preach violence and it does make physical threats on our president and many conservative posters daily. I’ve been threatened countless times, as well as my family, from your so-called “tolerant” left TP community.
Its a joke that this pravda-wannabe is tax exempt. Many here with extreme leftist entitlement attitudes don’t dare let their weak views be challenged, and rather than debate, many here simply curse and make threats. I am not here preaching my side of things, I’m simply exposing the fallacies and inconsistencies of the extreme far left, anti-american community.
I’ve been banned countless times, while never once violating TP’s TOS, and I’m always coming back. =)
that was long,
boring,
and fact free.
*
you must enjoy the smell
of your own farts too.
$
come back.
:)
July 26th, 2008 at 5:12 pmNo surprise whatsoever, but worth hearing. Fox = propaganda. We always knew. The sleaziest station on TV. And they pretend they're news?? Too funny.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:14 pmTriplekick says:
I’m simply exposing the fallacies and inconsistencies of the extreme far left, anti-american community.
That's RICH! The side that destroys the Constitution, practices bigotry and hate, starts illegal wars and occupations, covers up treasonous crimes, like war profiteering and outing covert CIA agents. I do believe you have serious dillusions, Dude!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:14 pmTriplekick- a multitude of inane posts. This troll only wants to disrupt & attack. Why isn't he/she/it just banned? A total loser with its responses, background info, etc. No knowledge whatsoever. Do we really need to keep reading this goofball's lack of any knowledge or intelligence? Most of us have better things to do than to read the garbage this Bush troll spews.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:19 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
joe cantwell
I’m not particularly a fan of your predictable and repetitive posts either. I’m sure they make you feel important but you never have actually engaged in any real conversation. Just another hit-and-runner with bad punctuation. Thanks for chiming in though.
How long before these guys start equating the left's bashing of their father/hero/god figures to hitler's persecution of the Jews?
Godwin's law is getting dusty. Tripple, be a dear and humor us.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:20 pmAgain with the "leftist" crap? Here's a newsflash: the only "leftists" left in this country are those given the label by Bill0 and his ilk. It has nothing to do with politics.
And why does Bill0 hate the "far left loons" so much? Because the "leftists" report exactly what he says. They dare to believe that people are accountable for their words and deeds.
I'll tell you what. When an American Leftist holds foreign nationals without trial or invades the WRONG EFFING COUNTRY! We can talk. Until then, all arguments from behind and to the Right of Bill0's left nut are irrelevant.
The neocons made their play and their greed and incompetence got them caught. Again. Karl's "permanent majority" debased the GOP, the Presidency and the Nation. The "party of accountability" turned out to be a bunch of chickenshits, mindlessly clucking "I didn't do it" with blood on their hands.
There is only one logical conclusion, in light of record disapproval ratings and 200,000 enthusiastic Germans; the neocons shot their wads and bought a lemon. Just like their first two attempts in the Ford and Bush41 administrations, they have convinced the U.S. and the World that ANYONE is better than them.
P.S. European opinion of the U.S is important because they constitute our major allies and trading partners. Without their goodwill we become a Third World Nation.
Could even a brainless sock puppet be unable to grasp such a simple concept?
July 26th, 2008 at 5:22 pmOh and Triple, one key tenet of libertarianism is opposing wars (Drug wars, wars on terr...err brown people, etc), since during war time our civil liberties are always curtailed while our tax burden skyrockets (2 things a libertarian is supposed to hate). Guess you missed that part?
July 26th, 2008 at 5:23 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
upside,
As i’ve explained to you before, I’m a libertarian. I’m not on McCain’s side, nor the GOP’s. The libertarian ideology is all about sticking to the constitution so spare me your lecture.
You are full of sh!t, Trip. You are so against Obama and are licking McDepends' balls, just like you have Dubya's. Why even pretend to say otherwise? We have NEVER seen a single comment from you negative to those two AssKlowns.
And you still haven't given us anything that backs up your wacko 'anti-American' claim regarding Obama's speech, meaning either you just take the Repug talking points ver batum or you can't find any.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:24 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
No I just hate morons - case in point....
July 26th, 2008 at 5:24 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
joe cantwell
I’m not particularly a fan of your predictable and repetitive posts either. I’m sure they make you feel important but you never have actually engaged in any real conversation. Just another hit-and-runner with bad punctuation. Thanks for chiming in though.
yw, tk.
btw, can you
help mr. hong out?
+
thank you.
*
you're very brave.
:)
July 26th, 2008 at 5:24 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
the brown acid Says:
By the way, hate groups hate based on prejudice. TP hates based on reality.
At least your man enough to admit that TP is indeed a hate site. Actually you hate on ideology and values.
out of context?
iokiyar.
#
good luck.
@
July 26th, 2008 at 5:27 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Pete,
According to reports I heard, the only real cheering and enthusiasm was expressed when Obama gave the line where he eluded that the US should not torture. The torture thing is absolutely anti-american propaganda, mostly spread by Euros and far-lefties at home.
Rather than "reports" from your wingnut buddies, why not listen to the actual speech? Of course, that would mean that you'd have to apologize to us and to Obama for the distortions you post here, but man up and do it.
I just don’t get it why the those on the left appear to be so concerned about how we’re liked in Europe.
You don't get much, do you?
Ever hear of NATO? European countries are our traditional allies and trading partners. The first Gulf War was a joint effort with a number of European allies and they've been instrumental in Afghanistan as well.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:27 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Pete
Regarding Bill O’Reilly. He speaks on his radio show and his TV show for 4-5 hours every day. He clearly isn’t hiding his speech from anyone and therefore its silly to think that TP helps to expose him. He’s popular because of his speech and he’s right to call out moveon.org’s and daiyKOS as hate sites when they are so obviously biased and viscous, hateful and often anti-american. Now I’m not here to defend him, however I don’t have any problem with his speech and I think its completely silly for sites like MMFA to waste their time parsing him in hopes of finding a weasely gotcha and then whine for him to be kicked off the air simply because of his views. That attempt to control speech is reminiscent of the soviet days and has no part in America.
c-
you completely
left out bill's love
loofahs and falafels.
*
any honest discussion
of billy must include
these facts.
*
tk, don't fear the truth,
open your mind and let
it guide you.
*
better luck next time.
^
July 26th, 2008 at 5:34 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
blah blah blah i love george bush slurp slurp blah blah i love bill o reilly jerk jerk blah blah blah hatesite liberal leftist stalin censorship clan rally nazi communist islamofascist enabler blah blah blah blah whine whine whine
that about sum up your argument?
I find it sad that the side who condones torture (hell you have a hard-on for it so long as muslims are the target) and readily spreads hate speech has such thin skin when it comes to being hated on. The hypocrisy is dizzying.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:35 pmSorry for hurting your widdle feelings. I guess Im a big mean old liberal.
TripleKick 2 SAYS:
I just don’t get it why the those on the left appear to be so concerned about how we’re liked in Europe. Is it because of the socialist countries there?
* So, it doesn't concern you that we, US, are viewed as the biggest terrorist threat in the world
* Our country is the only industrialized nation that does not provide health care to it's people
* We have to go to international news to get the correct fats
* Other countries look at us with disbelief as we ALLOW our pensions to be robbed
* our higher education system is so that only those from the rich and wealthy gene pool can afford college
the list is long and an Obama administration will begin to correct our problems created by Reagan, Bush St, some by Clinton and expecially Bush the sociopath.
And do not ask why I do not leave the country if I don't like it... many, many other countries would not have US.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:36 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
the brown acid
Don’t presume to lecture me on libertarianism from a leftist liberal site, ok? Makes you sound silly. I know exactly what my beliefs are and they never follow some dumb political party that likes to hold sings and wave their banners.
I was a card carrying member of the libertarian party when you were still a lump of goo in your father's sack. Alright there buddy? I ditched the philosophy when I realized it was all bait and switch. Come for the social beliefs, stay for the corporatism. No thanks.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:36 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
the brown acid
Don’t presume to lecture me on libertarianism from a leftist liberal site, ok? Makes you sound silly. I know exactly what my beliefs are and they never follow some dumb political party that likes to hold sings and wave their banners.
why do hate singing?
*
would you like to send
people who sing to the
cornfield?
+
July 26th, 2008 at 5:37 pmTripplekick, maybe you need to go back to Cato, Reason, and Lewrockwell and re-read their position on wars. K?
July 26th, 2008 at 5:37 pm#44pete Says:
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Far too dangerous for Obama to act unilaterally, dixie.
pete,
I'm not seeking "unilateral" action from Obama but a concerted effort amoung the NOT YET SOLD OUT and youngbloods coming onboard in the new Congress.
And it will take us, the people, insisting on this! Getting our voice back is CRITICAL to our democracy! He can lead and we can back him up!!!!!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:38 pmDribblydick2 says:
I know exactly what my beliefs are and they never follow some dumb political party that likes to hold sings and wave their banners.
Man, I must have you frothing at the mouth for you to be this incoherent. Admittedly, I might miss a punctuation mark or two in the heat of discussion, but god damn sunny boy, what the hell does that last statement even mean?
Hold sings and wave their banners?
LOLWHUT?
July 26th, 2008 at 5:40 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Now I’m not here to defend him, however I don’t have any problem with his speech and I think its completely silly for sites like MMFA to waste their time parsing him in hopes of finding a weasely gotcha and then whine for him to be kicked off the air simply because of his views. That attempt to control speech is reminiscent of the soviet days and has no part in America.
First of all, the Soviet government controlled speech. I know y'all think that Stalin was big on petitions, but really, it's not true. Ralph was just messin' with you.
Second of all, you should try actual reading Media Matters some time, and you'd realize (or you could, if you were capable of objective thought) that they don't do "gotchas" and they don't "parse". The post nice long transcripts for that very reason -- so whining from people like you, or Weiner, or O'Reilly about being taken out of context become obviously laughable.
And finally, it's particularly amusing to listen to you accuse ThinkProgress and the commenters here of being "hateful". That's really one of the most obvious cases of projection I've seen in awhile. You can hardly contain your bile.
If you've been posting here a long time, as you say and which I do not doubt, why not list your previous login names? Just so we know who we're dealing with. Or is that too scary?
July 26th, 2008 at 5:41 pmSeriously Tripplekick, just give it up already. Making you look like a buffoon is like shooting a halibut in a shotglass, with a twelve guage!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:43 pmbrown acid,
yeah the singing thing has
me scratching my head too.
has tk gone coo coo for
cocoa puffs?
:=)
July 26th, 2008 at 5:46 pmThe Brown Acid,
Why do trolls like TK have to pretend to be Libertarians when they post here? Do they think we don't see through their silly game?
Or maybe, deep down, they are ashamed of being a Repug. I sure would be, given the past 7 1/2 years.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:48 pmUpside99, I think it's a weak attempt at garnering sympathy. When you look at the beliefs on social policies, libertarians and progressives share many, many sympathies (With one notable divergence on gun issues)
I think maybe TK believes that if he adopts the Libertarian mantle he can look more credible? Then again, who knows..
July 26th, 2008 at 5:49 pmDamnit people, you're allowing TripleKick 2 to disrupt the thread.
Why in the hell does everyone give in to these right wing people? Enough already. We see it every day in Congress. Stop it!!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:50 pmThat this happened - no surprise. That a Bush talking point started ringing from multiple neocon outlets at the same time was established years ago.
However, that they denied this: doesn't this serve as proof that they lied to the American people ?
July 26th, 2008 at 5:52 pmMy apologies IgnoranceIsNotBliss, I figured everyone here already knew the enlightenment the thread had to offer, so I was using it as a means to bait Tripplekick into posting so I could keep flagging him for kicks. Didn't mean to take the gem out of your donut :(
July 26th, 2008 at 5:52 pmWhat does it say about Dick Cheney if he has to use fear & force to get those around him to do what he wants them to do? Oh that's right! It means he wants illegal shit done and the people he's asking to carry it out don't want to, because well, it's illegal.
Good gawd Dick! Have ya done anything ethical or moral in your freaking life!!!!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:52 pmpete,
Obama could also just insist that Fu(ks nOoze be declared an illegal unregistred 527 group by the FEC!!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:52 pmAs time goes on we will learn more to indicate an even closer relationship between Fox and the White House than yet realized.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:55 pmNATO - which, by the way, McCain is calling to help out in Afghanistan. There's also a little thing called "trade" which is generally helped by having good relations between countries. There's also a need to battle terrorism (not in the ridiculous fashion that the Bush Administration and McCain want to) - so it's generally helpful to, again, have good relations with other countries.
And if you're really a Libertarian, then Obama is a much better candidate than McCain - McCain wants to continue the role of America abroad that Bush started and is bankrupting our country. If you're a Libertarian, then you'd notice that Bush and McCain are both for taking away your freedom on a grand scale. Obama wants to get us out of Iraq, and, while I can't agree with him on FISA, is closer to the Libertarian platform thank McCain. More importantly, Obama is more reality-based candidate.
But, if you're not carrying water for McCain, then vote for Barr - that would do both us and the rest of the world a great deal of good.
July 26th, 2008 at 5:57 pmPete,
Under Botch law Obama could declare the entire Fu(ks nOoze network staff to be enemy combatants and arrest them all as "Enemies Of The State." Just shut down the propaganda machine!!
I can get on board with that and ski behind the boat!!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:58 pmIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
Damnit people, you’re allowing TripleKick 2 to disrupt the thread.
Why in the hell does everyone give in to these right wing people? Enough already. We see it every day in Congress. Stop it!!
sorry iggy
but tk does a better
job than most of promoting
the progressive cause.
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nothing moves the force
of enlightenment and knowledge
like the force of ignorance and bigotry.
@
tk, is our force of ignorance and bigotry.
he will help our campaign this fall.
he just doesn't know it.
:)
July 26th, 2008 at 6:00 pmdixie blood, it will be interesting to see if the new administration chooses to use all of their shiny new executive powers in hilarious and creative ways.
Then we'll see the people who helped give those powers to the executive branch crying the loudest.
July 26th, 2008 at 6:01 pmdixie blood Says:
Obama could also just insist that Fu(ks nOoze be declared an illegal unregistred 527 group by the FEC!!
July 26th, 2008 at 5:52 pm
I understand and couldn't agree more, but, my point remains that there's little to be done under existing conditions. So, the only way to make a meaningful statement is to hit them in the pocket books. If Congress wanted to give some power back to the People, they would follow the course I regularly recommend to my Rep and Senators. A bill to require cable/dish providers to offer true "ala carte" service.
Wouldn't it be nice to be able to call your cable company and say: "I refuse to pay a penny to Faux. Please remove Faux News from my service package and adjust my bill accordingly"?
I don't subscribe to cable, personally, just to avoid supporting "corporate media". Don't worry, I'm not organizing a boycott and I most certainly would subscribe if I could pay for only the channels I want.
I just think it would be far more effective, and offer fewer opportunities for abuse and retaliation, than to try and regulate based on content. To borrow a phrase from the Reichwingers, "let the free market decide".
July 26th, 2008 at 6:08 pmthe brown acid Says:
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dixie blood, it will be interesting to see if the new administration chooses to use all of their shiny new executive powers in hilarious and creative ways.
"shiny new executive powers?"
Is the "new administration" McCorp or Obama? If it's McCorp he will use his "shiny new executive powers in hilarious and creative ways."
Obama will NOT be "hilarious and creative" and will not find "shiny new executive powers" to exploit!
July 26th, 2008 at 6:10 pmAnd we must never forget Bill0's fair and balanced proclamation that:
"There's no such thing as a moderate. Anyone who calls themselves a moderate is just a liberal who's afraid to admit it."
There's not really any logic to appeal to in such people.
July 26th, 2008 at 6:12 pmDixie Blood, what the neocons going to say when they're rounded up as enemy combatants because of their threats against Barack? Oh I can't wait! Personally, I don't agree with any president having such powers, but since Georgie paved the way for all future presidents, then I guess the neocons are going to have to suck it up and take it like the girly-men they are.
July 26th, 2008 at 6:13 pm#94 pete,
"[...]hit them in the pocket books[...]
I'm onboard with that always...git'r'dun!!!
July 26th, 2008 at 6:18 pmTK,
Again, what in Scotty's book do you say is incorrect?
We have asked and have never had an answer from you or anyone else.
And interesting that it has been in the top 10 on the Best Sellers list since it was out, so I guess maybe there are more than a few of these:'except very silly people who don’t realize that they, the liberal consumer, are being fed a load of bull' out there reading it.
I will say, Trip, you are an interesting specimen.
July 26th, 2008 at 6:18 pmMeanwhile...
Floppy McSpin says,
"My Friends. How can I win if Faux never manages to catch Obama in one of their predicted screw-ups? Can't they just make more crap up, my friends? My friends, if they want to be fair and balanced they should make stuff up that's more stupid than the stuff I say. The American public. MY FRIENDS the American public, should not be allowed to see a candidate that doesn't (bleep) up worse than I do."
July 26th, 2008 at 6:22 pmPosts Containing Lots of Truth With Links To Back It Up...
...is considered...
HATE SPEECH TO THE RIGHT WING KNUCKLEDRAGGERS OF AMERICA!
Nice going there, TripleKook. *rolling eyes*
July 26th, 2008 at 6:27 pmthe brown acid Says:
TripleKick 2 Says:
Dude, why do you bother coming here?
If it’s to win people over to your side, have you succeeded in that, at all? No you haven’t.
If it’s to defend your father-figure / deity George Worst President Ever Bush, you fail at that too because all you do is recite the same crap all the rest of your sycophantic buddies spew.
If it’s to bash liberals, you aren’t even good at that.
So again, why do you come here? Are you some kind of masochist? because every time you come here with some kind of argument or attempt at debate, you get your ass handed to you, repeatedly.
So again, why do you come here? I’m sure there’s a fantastic circle-jerk over at Little Green Nutjobs, Captain’s quarters, or any of the other blogs that cater to your views. So go join them.
OR getting paid as part of the DoD propaganda campaign:
http://www.iwar.org.uk/iwar/
July 26th, 2008 at 6:28 pmDo I really need to point out that NO ONE has claimed Scotty lied, misrepresented, occluded, obfuscated or was inaccurate?
Making the observation that "Scotty doesn't like us anymore" is not a defense. "Scotty's a lying bastard and I can prove it" is a defense. But no one has offered it.
July 26th, 2008 at 6:29 pm#102 - Pete,
Thanks for reminding of one more reason to toss McCorp to curb!
When he says "my friends" my gawd-damed spine curls and I get douch chills!!!
July 26th, 2008 at 6:30 pmpete Says:
Do I really need to point out that NO ONE has claimed Scotty lied, misrepresented, occluded, obfuscated or was inaccurate?
Making the observation that “Scotty doesn’t like us anymore” is not a defense. “Scotty’s a lying bastard and I can prove it” is a defense. But no one has offered it.
That's because Bush and his WAR CRIMINALS have INDEED committed TREASON against the USA.
And hide behind all their crimes, and even covering up Pat Tillman's FRIENDLY FIRE DEATH, by "executive privilege".
Fcku YOU, MURDERER Bush, you COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
Burn well with your MASTER Satan...
July 26th, 2008 at 6:33 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Please point out where McClellan has lied. Then tell us where the Bush Crime Family has ever told the truth about anything at all. Rubber necked trolls have no basis for throwing stones for they live in glass housed. Now get lost.
July 26th, 2008 at 6:39 pmTripleKick 2 Says:
Do you mean to say that your hate posts are somehow fine, but mine are unacceptable? That would figure. I’ve never once used any foul language here on TP, never once made any threats to anyone. Not sure what you’re talking about especially since the content of many of your posts are often vile and contain unacceptable language given that children can access this site.
Vile? Moi?
If you could only read, you could perhaps detect the bile in all of your comments. There are a few angry people around here, but your comments are the ones that steam with hatred and irrationality. I've never threatened anyone, either, and certainly not anyone as impotent as yourself. If you're offended by occasional swear words, you could always just go away.
I'll ask again: which previous login names did you use? Or are you still afraid to answer?
And did you ever go to YouTube and actually listen to Obama's Berlin speech and its reception from the 200,000 in attendance? Or are you still content to rely on "reports"?
July 26th, 2008 at 6:52 pmAnd what part of it, exactly, is nonsense? Please, do tell.
July 26th, 2008 at 6:53 pmUp is down. Black is white. Assenting opinions carry the most weight. Cause and effect have been reversed in Reichworld.
Here's the deal. Bill0, Sean, Karl, Irving Kristol's bouncing bundle of joy "Bloody Bill", and a host of others throughout media, have one thing in common.
The myth of the "Noble lie". If one examines their mission statements back to the late 40's, one will find that they intentionally lie with the expressed purpose of controlling the fear and rage of the ignorant masses.
It's a little realized fact that lying is the oldest, and most effective, method of mind control. Garbage in, garbage out.
The "new" take on the method is for the modern media to browbeat the sheeple with the message, "you are too stupid to form conclusions. Here they are. This is no time for individual reflection". And America has bought it, up till now.
I gain some hope from the fact that Faux's Nielsen ratings hold less significance in light of Chimpy's 71% disapproval rating.
P.P.S. The narrow window of perception provided by the authoritarian mindset doesn't allow for the realization that opposition to a, out of control, far right regime does not equate to liberalism. I think it's fair to say that TP posters cover a wide range of ideologies.
So far as I can tell, few are terribly "leftist". Most have a common goal. A return of accountability in our government. That's it. Some respond more strongly to some issues than others. But I think it's also fair to say that TP posters wouldn't care if God himself sat in the Oval Office. WRONG IS WRONG!
Neocons, psycoChristians(TM), trolls and other authoritarians can't let that simple fact penetrate their bubbles of delusion. Their side can do no wrong so any criticism is because the critic "hates" them. Need I really say, again, that it's the crimes, committed by Bushco in our names, that drive the perceived "hate".
Wake the eff up! The neocons have charted a course which will result in punishment that will make the Civil War look like a minor spat unless we purge the criminals from our government. Without a drastic change in course the civilized nations of the world will take the decisions out of our hands. Is anyone stupid enough to believe that we can't be isolated, much like the condition which helped destroy the Soviet Union?
July 26th, 2008 at 7:02 pmGot stuff to do. Have fun!
July 26th, 2008 at 7:08 pmSo the FOX is really just W's little pink poodle. I knew it all along.
July 26th, 2008 at 7:14 pmP.P.P.S. Does anyone here actually listen to Bill0 and his ilk? Personally, I've never tuned him in for a second and wouldn't even know who he is if he didn't assault reason on a daily bases. That's where the net really shines. I don't need to sift through hours of hateful babble to get to the most recent outrage.
Though, when available, I try to find audio/video which provides context before I reach a conclusion about anyone's commentary. Can anyone from the Reich make that claim regarding "librul" commentators?
July 26th, 2008 at 7:18 pmRupert Murdoch should be criminally charged with illegally propagandizing the American people.
There are laws against doing this.
Murdoch is Australian. He's a foreign agent. (Plus, he has close business and family contacts with the Communist Red Chinese).
For years, Murdoch has used our airwaves, owned by all American citizens, to spread his right-wing filth, lies and deceptions, shoveling this crap into the minds of anyone gullible enough, and weak-minded enough, to watch Faux News.
Murdoch's goal is obvious...Robber Baron Monopolism.
Murdoch views himself as one of the "owners" of the New World Order...which prompts him to keep expanding his "empire." He just bought the Wall Street Journal. He's just sunk his neo-Communist totalitarian claws into the Associate Press. And the Republican-controlled FCC sees nothing wrong with Murdoch, a foreign agent, gobbling up prime U.S. news media real estate, since the Republicans running the FCC are just as un-American and un-patriotic as dear old Rupert...who is just as crazy as any megalomaniac before him. Poor Rupert. Poor, poor Rupert.
July 26th, 2008 at 9:12 pmIf Dribbledick 2" is talking about gullible people then we know he's just projecting again. He should be able to hang on until the WH issues new talking points.
It is good, the internet, we learn how truely despictable the republiscums are and how truely ignorant their supporters are also.
July 26th, 2008 at 9:18 pmright, we at TP lynched thousands of African-Americans...we at TP firebombed the Birmingham Church, murdered civil rights leaders...
yes, Triplekick, I see the light now. We ARE the worst hate-group the country's ever known...
July 26th, 2008 at 10:04 pmOn his radio show today, O’Reilly claimed that Gore was now associating himself with the most “hateful group in the country.” “And I’m including the Nazis and the Klan in here,” said O’Reilly.” He then claimed that attending Netroots Nation was “the same as if he stepped into the Klan gathering”:
you seem to agree...
July 26th, 2008 at 10:06 pmI think its completely silly for sites like MMFA to waste their time parsing him in hopes of finding a weasely gotcha and then whine for him to be kicked off the air simply because of his views. That attempt to control speech is reminiscent of the soviet days and has no part in America.
never mind the Bush administration and its follower's attempts to intimidate the press and anyone who dissents...
it's only Pravda when you project the Bush administration's sins onto the left...
July 26th, 2008 at 10:12 pmAs our troll points out, without realizing it's significance, Bill0 has several hours per day to defend his unAmerican views.
Yet, blind worship of the Reich demands the defense of the Message! "America loves Bill0 enough to give him several hours of air time per day so he needs defense on the blogs because he won't admit he's a far Right loon who hates all that's best about America"! Scream the defenders of that which they claim needs no defense.
What a bunch of silly tits.
Then they have the utter gall to accuse dissenters of diverse views and experiences, of being uninformed, unpatriotic, lock-step partisans or even subversives. You can't be more hypocritical and unaware than that.
Their poor, shuttered, brains don't allow them to see that most don't give a rip about ideology. It's the policies stupid. The failed, ill planned, clumsily executed, misdirected, disastrous policies which have brought unprecedented shame to our country.
Here's a news flash. The needless, willful, damage caused by Bushco is measured in blood, death, destruction and terror. Many people, including people who REALLY MATTER have reached the obvious conclusion that Bushco engaged in a clumsy attempt at a colonial land grab. If he had filled them in on his real plans they would have laughed him off the continent. Most of the world knows colonialism doesn't work.
Everyone who knows a bit of history, including the people of Iraq and Afghanistan, knows that the best we can hope for is to get our people out of harms way without too many additional bloodbaths.
Then, if we kiss as$ for 50 years or so, Americans might be able to walk most of the Earth in honor and safety. But in some places we will always be "The Butchers". And even Bush and Cheney in adjoining cells won't change that sad fact.
Though people who are forgiving may, correctly, reserve their hate for Bushco. There's even some hope that people who have been misguided by their own leaders will cut the average American citizen some slack if we hold our own criminals accountable.
July 26th, 2008 at 11:13 pmThank you for posting this. I was wondering once I heard about this why the folks over on the blog that's supposed to be monitoring Fox didn't jump on it right away. in fact they didn't post post anything about it until they saw that you had posted it. Proof that that blog is pretty worthless and you folks are getting the job done. Thanks again.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:24 amTripleKick 2 Says:
Pete,
According to reports I heard, the only real cheering and enthusiasm was expressed when Obama gave the line where he eluded that the US should not torture.
Too bad you didn't actually listen to the speech.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:29 amAnybody seen CNN's coverage of the Conyers Rules of Impeachment hearings? It was as if the CNN staff had been told by the White House and the RNC to smear Democrats as broadly and disingenuously as possibly. The American republic is dead folks. We live in frightening times.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:54 amFox News wasn't alone in that regard. Add NBC into that mix. After all, we know from the Libby trial that Dick Cheney like to use Tim Russert for that same reason. And let's not forget Judith Miller at the NYT, Bob Woodward at the WP and Bob Novak as well.
July 27th, 2008 at 10:01 amGovernment using the media for propaganda, to use them to purposefully and intentively lie to the people, is not just illegal...it's another crime for this current Administration's insanely long list of offenses.
July 27th, 2008 at 10:03 amWhat? Do you mean to tell me this morning's political gabfests aren't all over this? Not a peep about Novack's hit and run? And Katie Couric still has a job?
I'm ready to call "shenanigans". Does everyone have a broom?
July 27th, 2008 at 11:07 amFox is the Bush house organ and they are going to be very, very unhappy if Obama wins and makes Rachel Maddow press secretary.
July 27th, 2008 at 12:30 pmNot only does the White House feed its talking points to FixedNews network, but Fox has hired the former Whitehouse strategist, Karl Rove, as a political adviser. He was the guy who wrote the talking points when he worked in the Whitehouse. That was his part of his job. Now he gives them as a commentator on Rupert's network.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:25 pmBrit Hume is spared in this one? Well, only in the sense that the White House didn't need to give him their talking points. He wrote them up better for Bush than the White House spin-folks ever could. It would have been much more streamlined for Hume to give his own White House talking points to the rest of the minions at Fox.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:14 pmIf this is all true. That is not good. I was reading another article on Gas Price.
Who is really profiting from High Gas Prices? The Arabs? The Oil Corporations?
My heart cries.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:01 pmAll you bleeding-heart liberals can rest assured that Fox News will stop broadcasting White House talking points on January 20, 2009. Then you'll see a return to the same hard-hitting journalistic approach to the executive branch that Fox took during the Clinton administration.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pm"Making a distinction between journalists like Brit Hume and commentators like Sean Hannity and Bill O’Reilly..."
Ha. Ha. Brit Hume is a joke. He's a journalist like I'm a spaceman from Venus.
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July 28th, 2008 at 2:56 am“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.” Dr. Joseph Goebbels, Reich Ministry for Public Enlightenment and Propaganda 1933~1945
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