Earlier this month, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) took an extreme position on gay adoption, telling the New York Times he believes in “traditional” families even if it means leaving children in orphanages. “I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family so, no I don’t believe in gay adoption,” he said.
But in follow-up statement, McCain aide Jill Hazelbaker backtracked, stating, “McCain could have been clearer.” She added that the senator would support gay adoption if there were no alternative:
However, as an adoptive father himself…he recognizes that there are many abandoned children who have yet to find homes. McCain believes that in those situations that caring parental figures are better for the child than the alternative.
Interviewed on ABC today, however, McCain reverted to his original radical position, telling George Stephanopolous that he does not support gay adoption in any circumstance:
McCAIN: I think that family values are important, when we have two parent — families that are of parents that are the traditional family.
Q: But there are several hundred thousand children in the country who don’t have a home. And if a gay couple wants to adopt them, what’s wrong with that?
MCCAIN: I am for the values that two parent families, the traditional family represents.
Watch it:
McCain didn’t acknowledge that a two-parent family can also consist of same-sex parents. Unlike his spokeswoman, he also didn’t recognize that rejecting adoptions by same-sex parents means leaving thousands of children with no parents. As Winnie Stachelberg and Robert Gordon noted, about 130,000 children wait in the foster care system each year for a permanent home. And every year, half of these children are never placed.
In the interview, McCain repeatedly said that he is “for the values and principles that two parent families represent.” He also said preserving traditional families is “not the reason why I’m running for president of the United States.” Just seconds later, however, he reversed course and bluntly stated, “I’m running for president of the United States because I want to help with family values.”
McCain sounds more desperate every day
July 27th, 2008 at 12:52 pmYou mean like the highest divorce rate in the world?
You mean the typical American child having at least 2 dads and brothers and sisters from differend dads…..that kind of values and principals?
Spousal abuse…child abuse…..rampant in America…sorry trolls it’s mostly straight couples that are guilty….mom’s who stand by while it happens are just as guilty.
99% of all child molesters are members of a two parent family……
This is just gay bashing and it’s un-American.
July 27th, 2008 at 12:53 pm“I’m running for president of the United States because I want to help with family values.”
Um, and which family values was he using when he did the adultery thing with Cindy?
July 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmSenator, I’m interested in hearing more about your family values - you know, the values that permitted you to screw your current wife while still married to your previous wife. Please tell us why that’s OK.
July 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmOut of touch with the realities of the 21st century.
July 27th, 2008 at 12:54 pmSounds like John-Boy was wearing his best sunday-go-to-meeting flip-flops today.
July 27th, 2008 at 12:55 pmYes, much, much better to leave them with straight but abusive foster parents who are only in it for the government check… Sheesh!
July 27th, 2008 at 12:56 pmHere’s an interesting read about Johnny McTeleprompter’s adopted daughter:
http://www.hotpotatomash.com/2008/06/john-mccains-ad.html
July 27th, 2008 at 12:58 pmHe also said preserving traditional families is “not the reason why I’m running for president of the United States.” Just seconds later, however, he reversed course and bluntly stated, “I’m running for president of the United States because I want to help with family values.”
Please tell me again why anyone with half a brain would vote for this imbecile…….
July 27th, 2008 at 12:59 pmMcCAIN: I think that family values are important, when we have two parent — families that are of parents that are the traditional family.
If that’s what McCain defines marriage as, then he better start working on a law that outlaws divorce. Because pretty close to half the families in this country today are headed by a single parent.
I have several gay friends who have adopted, two couples and one single. I have to say that their children are by far better behaved, better educated and more loving than my hetro friends children are.
McCain is a twit. His need to pander to the right is not helping him and he doesn’t see it.
Now…is the MSM that is so biased towards Obama going to report on this? Crickets……
July 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pmYou gotta admit, this is delicious — the radical right, for so long the source of electoral power and moral sanctimony for Republicans, is finally coming to hamstring their candidate, who doesn’t buy their sh!t but knows he needs them behind him.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:00 pmAnd the psycochristians start chanting.
“Barr, Barrr, BARRRR“!
July 27th, 2008 at 1:01 pm“I’m running for president of the United States because I want to help with family values.”
And he is such a shining example of family values. I really don’t know how the right just ignores the uglies in McCain’s past.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pmFlip-flopping within a minute this time.
I don’t think this guy even knows what position to take; so he takes them both.
He did Hagee proud with at least half of his answer.
¶ AIO
July 27th, 2008 at 1:02 pmHate is not a family value!
July 27th, 2008 at 1:03 pmand the mcsame
gaffe machine keeps
rolling along.
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July 27th, 2008 at 1:04 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: I have several gay friends who have adopted, two couples and one single. I have to say that their children are by far better behaved, better educated and more loving than my hetro friends children are.
Aside for their inability to reproduce with one another, gays have receive an evolutionary advantage of having the qualities and insights of both genders. I imagine having an understanding of both male and female qualities would make one a better parent in teaching one’s children tolerance, and understanding.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:06 pmBilbo, it’s just a fundamental part of their skill set — to be able to ignore things that are inconvenient or contradictory.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:07 pmHow much time did Dobson’s Family Values Johnny Mac spend with his adopted kids when Cindy didn’t want to leave Arizona and he had to work in DC?
July 27th, 2008 at 1:09 pmHow is that a normal family environment?
MCCAIN: I am for the values that two parent families, the traditional family represents.
McSplain why you divorced your wife and left your children in a one parent home then you pandering moron.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:10 pmI would humbly offer my observations when this issue first surfaced. Read more, please. http://www.tagg-lines.com/ 2008/ 07/ its-time-to-play-get-gays.html
July 27th, 2008 at 1:14 pmBilbo:
If that’s what McCain defines marriage as, then he better start working on a law that outlaws divorce. Because pretty close to half the families in this country today are headed by a single parent.
Reporters should go to an adoptions administrator to find out the financial costs to the state of keeping children in fostercare. That puts the ball in conservatives’ low-tax court. Do they want to spend their hard-earned tax dollars on fostercare, or let fosterkids be adopted by gays and singles, and perhaps lessen their own tax burden in the bargain?
July 27th, 2008 at 1:16 pmMcShame seems to be suffering from that rare disease called the Nothinknoise Syndrome. With such a problem the sufferer is unable to discern his thoughts directly and must rely on the roundabout method of thinking out loud so that he can hear himself which lets his brain register his thoughts. The only problem is that, unlike the 5 second delay of the television, he has no means of censoring his mouth. The adage about a fool and his mouth is becoming more applicable every day.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:17 pmDo you ever notice that none of the Reichwingers are able to grasp the fact that gay people have biological children too? All my lesbian friends have kids. Some while young and unrealized and some just to obey the biological imperative.
Here’s a newsflash! Gay people have the same need to have children as straight people and every other living thing on the planet. And just because a person may desire the physical affection of a member of the same sex does NOT mean their reproductive organs can’t fulfill their biological function.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pmMcCain Caves To Right Wing On Gay Adoption, Says Orphans Shouldn’t Have Gay Parents
The perfectly encapsulated Mc-ism:
McCave.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:20 pmYES IT CAN! Imagine that. heh
July 27th, 2008 at 1:21 pmAnd many black people feel that white couples shouldn’t be allowed to adopt black children because they won’t be able to give the child the cultural support he needs. Any comment McCrazy?
July 27th, 2008 at 1:24 pm“I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family…”
Yes, John, I’m fairly certain your children and first wife would have agreed with you, before you started whoring around and left them for the Queen of Beers.
PEACE
July 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pm.
W E D G E
I S S U E !
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July 27th, 2008 at 1:37 pmQueen of Beers…
July 27th, 2008 at 1:47 pmThat spencers mom’s funny…
;)
“I think that we’ve proven that both parents are important in the success of a family…”
I think we’ve proven that the quality of parenting is more important than the quantity. The success of the children of extraordinary parents proves that every day. And good parenting starts with TELLING THE TRUTH. ALWAYS!
Nothing else screws up a kid like lying to them. With the possible exception of denying them the love of a life affirming parent/s.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:49 pmFamily values… from a man who cheated on his first wife, divorced her so that he could marry a young, wealthy woman, who he referred to as a c*nt and who continues to have extra marital affairs. Those are family values that I can do without.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:50 pmI know at least one value that same parent households that would adopt would teach; tolerance, a great lesson if not the best for a young person.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:51 pmAt this point, McCain’s Tom Tuttle, of Tacoma Washington, after being re-educated by the communists.
Slap!
“In those situations, caring parental figures are better for the child than the alternative.”
Slap!
“I am for the values that two parent families, the traditional family represents.”
Slap!
“My country, ’tis of thee…”
July 27th, 2008 at 1:54 pmwhat about gay orphans?
July 27th, 2008 at 1:54 pmC’mon out daryyl, this ones got your name all over it.
I need him to explain how it’s OK to have double standards when you’re a sanctimonious elitist and also, how gay parents will raise children that will destroy civilization as we know it.
July 27th, 2008 at 1:56 pmWhere’s darryll when you need him?
#8 KayInMaine Says:
Did anyone else go to that link? It states Cindy McCain has 3 children. John, James and Meagen. Who are John and James? I thought they were his first wife children from a previous marriage that he adopted. How can be Cindy McCain’s children.?
July 27th, 2008 at 1:58 pmAnybody know ?
McCain? Caving in to the religious right wingnuts?
No one could have predicted THAT one!
Anytime John McCain opens his mouth these days, a bad day is sure to ensue–for John McCain. Me likey.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:03 pmFrom Wikipedia:
July 27th, 2008 at 2:05 pmDoes this mean he is also against single people adopting?
July 27th, 2008 at 2:05 pmBobwurst Says:
what about gay orphans?
July 27th, 2008 at 1:54 pm
An excellent question.
I was reading that Rep. Michelle “Syco-Shelly” Bachmann and her hubby (a “Christian grounded counselor” who implies he can “cure the gay”) have hosted like 5 million foster children. I thought, “those are some interviews that I’d like to see”.
Then I thought about the kind of damage a couple like that could do to a gay child or one with other issues which don’t fit their Faith. I’m quite certain they would never bring one to a real mental health professional because, if they had, they would be locked up.
I am consistently terrified by the thought of all the fanatics who DO adopt.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:06 pmgummitch Says:
From Wikipedia:
She moved back to Arizona in early 1984,[10] and gave birth to her child, Meghan, later that year.[10] She subsequently had John Sidney IV (known as “Jack”) (born 1986) and James (known as “Jimmy”) (born 1988).[27] Her parents lived across the street and helped her raise the children while her husband was frequently in Washington;[19] she typically only saw him on weekends.
Thanks, never new that. Thank means he has 7 children in all? 2 adopted from firt wife. A daughter Sydney with first wife. 3 with Cindy and a adopted daughter with Cindy. Plus the two of them. A family of 9. Oh boy, one house for each of them.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:10 pmReading through the comments here, I’m reminded that James Dobson has now or is about to endorse McCain.
A man who is divorced and re-married and has engaged in multiple affairs for the entirety of his married life.
Dobson doesn’t care about Christ, but he sure likes winning. I’m so glad we’re going to deeply disappoint him this year, but Dobson and his ilk like LOSING almost as much as winning elections. Then they get to pontificate all day long about what victims good Christians are in our Godless society…
May they all burn in Hell for their obvious hypocrisy. Christ didn’t know them; he doesn’t know them now; and he’ll never recognize them as his people. From the way they act, you can only conclude they aren’t Christians at all, but stealth religious leaders.
Then again, the human brain’s capacity for self-delusion and denial is eclipsed by no other quality that I know of.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:11 pmMcCain adopted the sons two sons of his first wife and then had a daughter with her. All of whom were thrilled when he dumped their mother for Cindy after she bravely stood by his side during his POW years, not letting him know she had been in a disabling car crash so he wouldn’t worry, because she became less attractive after her accident.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:21 pmWhat kind of values were his children exposed too while Cindy was battling her addiction to pain killers?
July 27th, 2008 at 2:22 pmOK I’ll STFU now but the old coot is really pissing me off.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:22 pmThe Press/SCUM can be relied upon to make it at least appear that the margin is close enough that, should they finally decide to do so, the Oiligarchs and the Pollutocrats can steal it in the end if they choose to do so. That’s their job. They camouflage it under a blanket of greed–big bucks! for the campaign–but the job of the CorpoRat media, in the CorpoRat State is to advance the CorpoRat agenda.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:23 pmTripleKick 3 Says:
Hey, where’s that list of your previous login names? Are you having trouble remembering them?
July 27th, 2008 at 2:26 pmHeyyyy… that’s a niiiice straw man, TK.
Did you get the plans from Grit magazine?
July 27th, 2008 at 2:27 pmI just looked up “toady” in my picture dictionary and McCain’s picture was there!
July 27th, 2008 at 2:30 pmtripplesec….could you explain this from johnny’s interview in the context of your statement:
You seem to need some remedial reading classes. I know reading for comprehension is a drag but it really is a necessity if you wish to discuss those things here.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:33 pm#9 Exit Stage Left Says:
Please tell me again why anyone with half a brain would vote for this imbecile…….
I’m not convinced that any of his votes come from people with at least half a brain…
By the way, can anyone name 3 issues that McCain hasn’t completly changed his position on over the last 8 years? Everyone is allowed to change their mind sometimes - but it seems like something has changed McCains mind completely on just about everything.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:34 pmSimple way to turn this on McCain. He needs to be pinned against the wall. McCain will only permit those who fill the definition of a traditional two parent family to adopt. Thus, a single woman or a single man would not be able to adopt because they do not fill that role. Pin him down, would he deny them the right to adopt? What about a man or a woman whose spouse dies leaving them without a traditional two parent family? Is he saying that this is not really a fit environment for the child? I would just start running commercials implying, if not making such allegations. let him come back and explain why it is not true - i.e. he is just against gays.
July 27th, 2008 at 2:50 pmFlip flop
July 27th, 2008 at 2:56 pmflip flop
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unbelievable Says:
Hate is not a family value!
Oh but it is in the Rethuglican wolrd…
July 27th, 2008 at 2:59 pmErr…,,,world.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:00 pmMcCain is trying to randomize the election. There will be tape of the angry codger on both sides of every issue on the four page list. So depending on who sees what tape when will shape the the little lizard, er..chameleons image. He’s a compulsive gambler, so lets roll the dice!
July 27th, 2008 at 3:03 pmTripleKick 3 Says
July 27th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
Anyway, “gay parents” is a really a bit of an oxymoron so let’s not pretend for a second that, *with all other things equal*, that a child would be better off with gays than with traditional parents. That’s absurd.
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I don’t think anybody has ever said that a child is BETTER off with gays than with traditional parents — if “all other things [are] equal”, being gay in and of itself doesn’t make one a better parent. However, many people believe that a child is not necessarily WORSE off with gay parents. Being gay doesn’t necessarily make one a worse parent, either.
But this is just your straw man. I believe the point that’s on the table, which McCain is opposing, is whether or not gay couples should be permitted to adopt. Do you think that’s absurd, too? And if so — why?
July 27th, 2008 at 3:04 pmThe scarey thing is that last night I was at a party of mixed ages and very bright 20 somethings said they thought Obama was scary and they were voting for McCain! I about lost it and lit into my list of reasons not to vote for McCain….they listened, had not much to say about my reasons but were spouting the talking points of the repugs. I was shocked. Any others experiencing this?
July 27th, 2008 at 3:16 pmI’ll say it. Any child is better off with a gay parent than a Republican parent. Teaching a child to be hateful and selfish and free of empathy if never going to be in his best interest as he grows.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:18 pmHear, hear, Shayne!
July 27th, 2008 at 3:22 pmMeanwhile…
Family values champions like Larry Craig, Mike Foley, Ted Haggard, Catholic organizations, and Federal Inmate Kent Hovind are encouraged to take in children by the dozen. To “save” them?
“We have always been at war with Eurasia”.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:32 pmGeorge Orwell
pax Says: “Any others experiencing this?”
I’ve encountered a few 20 to 30 somethings who aren’t troubled by conscience, they accept deceit and exploitation as part of the game, and their only fear is that the corporo-militarist consumer machine will break down.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:33 pm.
WHY DOES McCAIN’T HATE SINGLE PARENTS?
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July 27th, 2008 at 3:35 pmWhat’s even worse is that I’m pretty sure most Americans share his opinion ….
July 27th, 2008 at 3:44 pmIt’s flip-flop season you know. He changes his mind more often than I can flick the channels. can someone tell him to shut up for a while? http://angryafrican.net/ 2008/ 07/ 27/ views-on-the-weakly-news-xvi/
July 27th, 2008 at 3:46 pmHe is running for president because he wants to help with family values.
July 27th, 2008 at 3:59 pmhahahahahahahaha. LOL.
Pandering right wing nut jobs should not be allowed to adopt.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:08 pmMy dad is a retired Judge, and I know several Judges in the area. They all agree that the best part of their job is adoptions.
1. Everyone wants to be there.
2. The video cameras are in the hands of proud grandparents.
3. And any tears shed are tears of joy.
All of the above are true about adoptions by same-sex couples. It’s not important to children if they have two dads, two moms, or one of each. It’s important to them that they’re loved and wanted, and that Santa knows where to find them.
It’s really no more complicated than that, and all children should have that.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:20 pmMcSnappy Pappy could help Family Values, by seeking therapy rather than elected office. A big pile of money is not a family Value.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:21 pmOT Sorry,..Commondreams.org has an interesting article by John Pilger…”Obama, Prince of bait and switch”, many good comment’s as well…P.B.& J…Stand’s for Peace. Blessings and Joy…Not peanut butter and jelly like you all thought….P,B & J everyone.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:21 pmmoondancer wrote:
“He’s a compulsive gambler, so lets roll the dice!”
You’re damn right he’s a compulsive gambler. But NO GOOK DEALERS at the blackjack table allowed.
And your point about McSame putting up every single position on nearly every issue, in effect covering the entire spectrum of possibility, flipping and flopping at will, is spot on. It’s the Throw Everything Against The Wall And See What Sticks method of politicking. And it’ll never work, not this year.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:25 pmBy the way, can anyone name 3 issues that McCain hasn’t completly changed his position on over the last 8 years? Everyone is allowed to change their mind sometimes - but it seems like something has changed McCains mind completely on just about everything.
1. I was a POW
July 27th, 2008 at 4:38 pm2. My military service qualifies me to be president
3. I was a POW
By logical extension, gay women couples should not have the right to in vitro fertilization.
The “both parents” bit sorta screws the whole divorce thingy. Oooh, let’s make divorce for parents illegal. Also, neither parent is allowed to die. If one does, the children are placed for adoption, but not with gay couples, no siree.
July 27th, 2008 at 4:46 pmI am gay and have a biological child. I was married before I divorced and came out. Fortunately we broke up after our daughter was an adult (late teens). It was a friendly divorce. We did a very bad job of parenting. Magna Cum Laude grad of an Ivy League school; successful art dealer who has former Presidents and household celebs among her client list; fluent in several languages; a loving and thoughtful person; gives monies to charity; works anonymously in soup kitchens; a strong work ethic; never gave us any trouble as a teen… and is in A TOTALLY MONOGAMOUS HETEROSEXUAL RELATIONSHIP. But because I am gay I totally sucked as a dad. I should NEVER be allowed to adopt a child. My track record is hideous.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pmBostonian Queer in Dallas Says:
July 27th, 2008 at 5:01 pm
The nerve of you….
/sarc
July 27th, 2008 at 5:04 pmBQ in Dallas…
Don’t feel too bad about how you did as a parent, sometimes being the example of what we don’t want our children to become has it’s own worth.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:20 pmNo offense to you, or your lifestyle, I was once told that our most significant goal in life as persons is to escape our parents. In the sense that we may be able to see a particular folly of our parents, we may escape the same trap.
And by the same token we may be able to take the good from our parents, and seek along those paths.
#37 APEC not OPEC asked about McCan’ts children.
With his second wife, Cindy, he has fathered John, James, Meghan, and adopted Bridget.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:24 pmFrom his first marriage, there were two sons - Andy and Doug. They, however, are not McCan’ts biological children. His first wife was married to someone else before she married McSenile and he adopted her two boys.
God, I love all these family values, how will we ever keep them “straight”?
79 posts about a gay subject and no Darull. WTF??????
July 27th, 2008 at 5:25 pmMaybe Sen. McCain should ask Cheney’s daughter if gay couples make good parents — either biologically or through adoption.
oh. whooops. my bad.
Republicans don’t want to face real-life situations of specific people. How dare anyone bring up the fact that the vice president’s daughter is one half of a two-woman parenting home. By choice and by design.
egads.
I’ll try not to let it happen again.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:27 pmDaryll’s at the adoption agency, trying to sort some shit out….
July 27th, 2008 at 5:29 pmIt looks like the trolls are taking Sunday off.
Daryll is probably shaking the Devil off.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:31 pmNevar,
Good Luck to him with that. I don’t think anyone can sort that deep.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:32 pmNevar Says:
BQ in Dallas…
Don’t feel too bad about how you did as a parent, sometimes being the example of what we don’t want our children to become has it’s own worth.
No offense to you, or your lifestyle, I was once told that our most significant goal in life as persons is to escape our parents. In the sense that we may be able to see a particular folly of our parents, we may escape the same trap.
And by the same token we may be able to take the good from our parents, and seek along those paths.
You missed the irony in my post. I do not feel anything but pride for how I raised her. And please learn NOT to use the word lifestyle. We are born this way. A lifestyle is something chosen.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:34 pmRalph says:
Daryll is probably shaking the Devil off.
That is some kinky sh!t you posted, Ralph!
Heh Heh
July 27th, 2008 at 5:34 pmShake it Daryll, shake it!
July 27th, 2008 at 5:34 pmShake that cosmic thang!
I wish McCain would stop adopting so many political positions. OK, no, I don’t, because that’s going to help make him a political orphan.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:35 pm“And please learn NOT to use the word lifestyle. We are born this way. A lifestyle is something chosen.”
Got it… thank you. Sincerely.
July 27th, 2008 at 5:36 pmThe “Shake the Devil Off” thing never gets old. I am sure Daryll is proud that his words have been elevated so
July 27th, 2008 at 5:40 pmSpeaking of kids…how come we never see Senator “Cindy” McCorp and his Sugar Momma with the black kid they adopted and Botch exploited in SC in 2000??
IS IT BECAUSE THEIR KKK, CHRISTIANISTA, RIECHWING, CORPORATE, FASCAST, RACIST, REPUGNISCUM BASE WOULD WILT AWAY?
Botch The Scumbag helped the stupid in SC believe he fathered a black child in push polling!!! Playing on RACISM!!!
Just sayin’…
July 27th, 2008 at 5:49 pmSo does anyone get that McCain’s statement also slams 1-parent families ?
July 27th, 2008 at 5:56 pmBostonian Queer in Dallas Says:
Nevar Says:
You missed the irony in my post. I do not feel anything but pride for how I raised her. And please learn NOT to use the word lifestyle. We are born this way. A lifestyle is something chosen.
He’s usually more perceptive than this, BQ. Could be suffering from brain damage from fighting forest fires and inhaling too much smoke.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:05 pmThat, and the fact I’m not used to deeper sarcasm than mine….
July 27th, 2008 at 6:07 pmIs America this stupid? Honestly, this man’s campaign can only be an intentional joke. Every day he provides yet another damaging sound byte on the latest hot-button issue. His kind used our teevees to convince us Saddam Hussein was the guy. CBS edited this man’s lies! (CBS = “See B.S.” -Naz) Come on people - the real story is the intended public reaction/distraction - republicans know all too well that they are screwed by association this November. I too long for 1-20-09 but, moving on should not include ignoring those that continue to damage this country.
“Without justice, there can be no peace. He who passively accepts evil is as much involved in it as he who helps to perpetrate it.” - MLK
-Congress needs be reminded of this!
There has been news online about Diebold-enabled election tampering but corporate news will never go there- so until something is done to stop our next “fantasy election” -(see attached) we need another approach. If Congress is at least willing to hear about Bush/Cheney impeachment, considering all the evidence they heard I think it’s only fair that until these 2 leave office we should have daily reports on their activities, agendas, etc.. Right? No more criminals claiming executive priviledge. (Fiengold and Kucinich could be privately briefed -to protect our freedoms, national security or any others stupid neocon claim) Should we really allow these 2 world devastators (and admitted polluters) to continue on unchecked?
It’s a class war.
http://www.alternet.org/workplace/92431/?page=1
July 27th, 2008 at 6:09 pmAnother genius McSame move . . . look just like the religious nutballs that got us into this mess. The Indies will SO run to him now. LOL Worst campaign ever.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:10 pmI am still trying to understand why conservatives like to trot out the “traditional family” talking point when discussing same-sex marriage and gay adoptions.
If I go by their Bible, “traditional marriage” is one man and as many women he can get his hands on. This has been the case for most of human history, and in most cultures. Why, even beacons of conservatism (eg Gingrich) have been known to philander.
The idea of a “traditional marriage” (man & woman who never get divorced, or have sex outside marriage, etc.) is a fairly recent invention and exists mostly in the minds of conservatives, who are trying to lend credence to their agenda by making appeal to a nonexistent tradition.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:11 pmMapleStreet Says:
So does anyone get that McCain’s statement also slams 1-parent families ?
July 27th, 2008 at 5:56 pm
Yeah, I noticed that. I guess I messed up raising the men on my own. Should have sent them to an orphanage….
July 27th, 2008 at 6:12 pm“Libs…”
July 27th, 2008 at 6:20 pmDaryll? Is that you? Sorry about your condition, try eating a bowl of prunes.
It was never a question of “if” McCain would cave. Even the “when” was presumed to be before the Republican convention and before he announced his VP choice. Frankly, I’m surprised he didn’t do this while Obama was in Iraq so it would only get play in the right-wing Blog world.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:22 pmHi Conservapation:
July 27th, 2008 at 6:22 pmYou lost me a bit. “See your ways and pave the way for McCain”?
Well I am sure the American Dental Association is happy to hear the news
July 27th, 2008 at 6:24 pmLet McCain lead??? With all the different positions he has taken and the way he spins issues, the only leadership role he is qualified for is to run the carousel at a state fair. Even then, he would probably lie about the cost and the length of the ride.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:25 pmNo I just had no idea idea which ADA you meant as the topic is McCain’s shifting position relative to gay adoption.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:31 pmPost #106 is too asinine in its basic premise to even respond to directly. Some trolls should write fiction for a living as there seems to never be an end to the tales they can pull from behind their tails.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:32 pmWhat a minute, do non”libs” not send their kids to college?
July 27th, 2008 at 6:32 pmThis is certainly looking promising. Hey ralph, check this out!!
July 27th, 2008 at 6:33 pmThe Vapid Con must be a parody. No one is that stupid.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:33 pm“Do you want only pretty young people to have jobs?”
Not all. A lot of us people who are pretty old want jobs, too.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:34 pmThe anti-constipation medication must have kicked in for one particular troll.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:36 pmWell, I can see that once again I am wrong. It is possible for someone to be that stupid.
Mea culpa
July 27th, 2008 at 6:39 pm…his cup runneth over.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:40 pmZooey Says:
Well, I can see that once again I am wrong. It is possible for someone to be that stupid.
I’ve warned you about that optimism thing, Zooey.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:41 pmThis troll must be wearing a headset playing a constant loop of “breathe in, breathe out.”
Make sure you don’t knock it off his head — he’ll die!!
July 27th, 2008 at 6:41 pmNow it makes sense. By “libs” you must mean Libertarians. Apparently they really do have a beef with the ADA. Here I always thought they were just potheads and tax whiners
July 27th, 2008 at 6:45 pmConservapation Says:
PatrioticLiberalChristian
Aha! That means I am correct then. It means you dont want to hire the deaf or dismembered job seeker.
HoHo! It actually means that that which was correct then is deaf to this dismembered truth relevant to that seeker of it.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:46 pmAre you disabled, Constipation Evaporation?
July 27th, 2008 at 6:47 pmI am curious how McCain feels about disabled gay adoption…
July 27th, 2008 at 6:47 pmZooey Says:
“Are you disabled, Constipation Evaporation?”
Only mentally…he IS a conservative, afterall.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:49 pmConservapation Says:
McCain wants to strengthen ADA.
Is that so he can collect a bigger disability check?
July 27th, 2008 at 6:52 pmRather than reply to the troll I will instead adress this to Bostonian Queer in Dallas.
BQ, I truely hope your daughter was not affected by your grammer. I do not remember the technical explanation of your word usage but I think your statement And please learn NOT to use the word lifestyle. would correctly be said And please learn to NOT use the word lifestyle. Hopefully her fluencey in languages has given her better English skills.
snark/
Your post is excellent.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:52 pmI am curious how McCain feels about disabled gay adoption…
It is perfectly acceptable and, in fact patriotic, if it occurs on a Tuesday morning during the pre-awakening of a compassionate conservative surge but only after the conditions on the ground floor of all the apartment buildings are free of constipation.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:53 pmThat was quick. His IP must have been recognized.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:54 pmThe troll’s mom must have called him for dinner.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:55 pmI’m so confused. I’m trying to find the post that led to the most recent discussion — Constipation Evaporation, etc.
Did it get flagged, or am I just more blind than usual?
Thanks.
July 27th, 2008 at 6:58 pmPatty, the Con troll evaporated. You didn’t miss anything. :D
July 27th, 2008 at 7:01 pmThe Conservatron was disabled.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:03 pm“No We Can’t..elect McCain” Ad #124
Roll video: McCain said preserving traditional families is “not the reason why I’m running for president of the United States.”
Narrator: If McCain won’t even help preserve traditional families, imagine how little he’ll do for the other 50% plus American families. Vote for Obama.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:06 pmNevar:
July 27th, 2008 at 7:07 pmI like that! I also liked you @120. Are you home for any length of time or do you get sent right back out?
I’ll be home until fires start popping out up north, Idaho, Washington, Montana, etc.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:11 pmIf they do…
Fire season is over here in N.M., monsoon season, it rains every day.
We’re dry as a bone up here, Raven. I wouldn’t be surprised if you end up this way.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:14 pmGot your headset on, ADA? I don’t want you passing out on us…
July 27th, 2008 at 7:15 pmIt’s baaaaack!
July 27th, 2008 at 7:15 pmWhy does this incarnation think everyone here is a Libertarian?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:17 pmGet this troll, no one here answers to you. Take your victim act somewhere else.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:21 pmThat sounds like a numb pair of choices. Well whatever I will go with option A
July 27th, 2008 at 7:22 pmHow about Option C?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:23 pmSteve Benen is keeping the Official McCain Flip Flop list. I think it might be up to a whopping 70 flip flops now!
July 27th, 2008 at 7:24 pmNow what are you talking about? Pretty women?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:24 pmUh huh, last time I looked it was Republicans cutting every program that benefited the disabled. I haven’t heard about the special program for pretty people.
So ADA, do you have a real or perceived disability?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:26 pmSo ADA cont:
July 27th, 2008 at 7:28 pmDO you want me to answer the question or would you rather flail about some more?
I find it strange that with all the areas a thread about McInsane and Gay parents has to offer trolls with IQs of turnips we attract one who wants to hijack the thread with the topic of Americans with disabilities.
I wonder if this new troll’s concern has anything to do with having fantasies about having sex with people with missing limbs? What is that called? Mono something… I can’t remember. OH NO I can’t remember! I hope I’m not turning into a republiscum. Now THAT would be a disability!
July 27th, 2008 at 7:29 pm“People with Disabilities = victim act?”
I see how it is. You think you represent ALL people with disabilities.
Wrong!
The “victim act” comment was special for you, dingleberry.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:30 pmDo you have a dingleberry disability, ADA cont?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:33 pmDo you have to use the special cushion?
Well I think the answer is really quite simple. We will just have to wait and see what happens as per ADA in a Obama administration. Now what specifically has McCain had to say as to the ADA? Also as someone concerned about ADA such as yourself, how do you feel about the Libertarian opposition to it? Lastly do you think apotemnophilia should be recognized as a disability?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:35 pmI could be wrong, but in the clip, McCain does not oppose gay adoption. Only promotes the idea of 2 parent adoption, which could be a gay couple.
But, he’s less than straight forward.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:38 pmADA seems to be seriously sidetracked and fixated on some OT issue. Gee, I wonder why?
More McCain Posting Points towards that McDepends bobble head dashboard doll?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:39 pmIn the early 1980’s, the Reagan Administration, as part of its general deregulatory effort, attempted to weaken Section 504 and PL 94-142. The Administration’s effort was spearheaded by the Commission of Regulatory Relief, chaired by Vice President George Bush. A broad coalition, including people with disabilities, parents, legal and professional advocates, and service providers, organized quickly and was successful in protecting both Section 504 and PL 94-142.
Ronnie was all about helping the “differently abled” Come on ADA cont, At least get your terms correct
July 27th, 2008 at 7:40 pmAnswer this question, ADA: Why do you think the Obama administration will gut the ADA? What makes you think McCain won’t?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:41 pmOh, now I’m a privileged neocon.
**eyes rolling**
July 27th, 2008 at 7:43 pmBrilliant, ADA, just brilliant.
Time to start flagging this moron — again.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pmbackup Says:
I could be wrong, but in the clip, McCain does not oppose gay adoption. Only promotes the idea of 2 parent adoption, which could be a gay couple.
But, he’s less than straight forward.
That’s very polite of you. What he is really doing is completely avoiding answering a direct question. He’s “for” the “family values” (which is designed to reassure the Religious Right) but he’s not about to come out (heh) and definitively state that he’s against gay people adopting children, because there is some faint, pale chance that some gay person out there might vote for him.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pmI never had a clue, Zooey….
July 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pmZooey Says:
Brilliant, ADA, just brilliant.
Time to start flagging this moron — again.
It always was that time.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:46 pmADA cont Says:
If we cant improve the quality of life for people with disabilities I may just vote for McCain to finish this country off so that the non-disableds arent the only ones to go down.
The logic circuit is fried on this model.
Hope they kept the warranty card…
July 27th, 2008 at 7:46 pmADA cont:
July 27th, 2008 at 7:47 pmI assume you recognize the ridiculous self contradictory statement you just made right? So about that apotemnophilia?
Doing research on what?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:48 pm“…and doing research.”
You could study dingleberries.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:48 pmADA cont Says:
I hate this country. I’m thinking about moving to a country more disability friendly and doing research.
Bu-Bye.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:49 pmDon’t let the door hit you in the ass. Could make a mess of your disability.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:50 pmNevar Says:
I never had a clue, Zooey….
July 27th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
Seriously?
July 27th, 2008 at 7:51 pmADA cont Says:
barfly is a pos making generalities. He hates the true diversity of america.
And ADA knows nothing about me. But you do have a problem with logic…
July 27th, 2008 at 7:51 pmSomebody call a waaaaahhhhmulance for man in the rigging.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:53 pmAbout as serious as the troll du jour…
July 27th, 2008 at 7:54 pm;)
Man in the rigging,
I hope you don’t have any accessibility issues, cuz you’re gonna be even more unhappy in Europe.
Look at rigging boy complain about this country’s alleged lack of fortitude — on his very own computer.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:56 pmYou will never be like them. This country doesnt have the fortitude. But hey when’s the next iphone coming out? heh.
Since ADA stands for Americans with disabilities, it seems they do have the fortitude, silly.
July 27th, 2008 at 7:57 pmI should have known that, Nevar. ;)
July 27th, 2008 at 7:57 pmADA cont:
July 27th, 2008 at 7:57 pmI am curious as to the nature of your disability. Does it interfer with your ability to answer questions? You must really have hated Reagan.
You’re neither progressive nor disabled, ADA con, you’ve wandered all over the map here this afternoon, and have made no more sense than a slug trail on a pup tent.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:00 pmRigging boy,
No one here hates the disabled. That’s just you and your self-loathing.
You’re no progressive. You’re just a whiner.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:00 pmEurope might be progressive, dingleberry, but it ain’t accessible.
Why do you hate people in wheelchairs?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:03 pmConservADA: “Nice try. Go to red state you pos.”
Is that where you’re from? What’s it like?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:05 pmADA, you must LOVE McDepends; he is 100% disabled. Are you drawing down a kewl 58 large for your ‘disability’?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:05 pmgummitch. you are right. John McCain should support gay adoption. If he can’t come out and support it, in fear of losing the anti-gay vote, he’s not showing leadership.
John McCain, do you support gay people/couples being able to adopt children or don’t you?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:08 pmADA, why are you so ashamed of your disability? Won’t even share with us your situation. But to the point of this thread, are you gay, do you consider that a disability? We don’t, so you can open up to us, K?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pmADA doesn’t even know what this site is about. :-D
It’s so amusing that you accused barfly of making generalizations.
Jeebus, none of us even knows anyone with a disability!
July 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pm(That’s sarcasm, ADA)
If we cant improve the quality of life for people with disabilities I may just vote for McCain to finish this country off so that the non-disableds arent the only ones to go down.
So you hate the disabled so much you’d “finish them off” with a McCain presidency?
And you claim to be disabled?
That’s some serious self-loathing you’re carting around. You should seek professional help for your low self-esteem issues.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:09 pmI don’t think ADA cont is able to answer any questions. I don’t think it has anything to do with their “disability” though. Besides this is getting sort of boring…
July 27th, 2008 at 8:10 pmObviously this troll’s disability is mental. What’s the chance that it’s anger comes from listening to rightwing talk radio and Michael Savages rant about ADD.
Maybe the troll can get it together enought to explain it’s interest in the ADA, particularly to whether it is disable or whether the concern is for a loved one or friend.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:13 pmSometimes slug trails make interesting designs. But after awhile it’s just another mess to clean up.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pmSoon to appear at the “no comments” site: TP Hates Disabled Columbian Jews or some such inane thing
July 27th, 2008 at 8:14 pmTP really needs to do more than two posts on a Sunday. No talking heads today…? Maybe McCain was on every show…
July 27th, 2008 at 8:20 pmWhat Zooey said…
July 27th, 2008 at 8:22 pmWe need at least one global warming thread on Sunday to get us through….
July 27th, 2008 at 8:23 pmHow bout energy independence?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:24 pmIt appears ADA went out to the garden to eat a worm.
Ta ta!
July 27th, 2008 at 8:24 pmhttp://www.wecansolveit.org/
everybody’s seen this right?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:26 pmHow about energy collaboration?
It’s one thing to be an energy glutton, as the US is at present, seeking to exploit and consume the whole worlds energy resources.
The opposite extreme is to believe we can be energy independent.
Neither are sustainable. Sharing energy and resources across the globe, with a fair share for all, is sustainable.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:30 pmI think Gore makes these points:
Our dependence on oil has serious economic impacts (700 billion dollars going overseas for oil)
It’s causing significant environmental impact (burning carbon)
And, our dependence on the middle east (and others, like Venezuela) for oil, threatens our security.
It seems that there could be a unifying solution that could address all these concerns simultaneously.
I think it should be at the top of the agenda.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:31 pmSeen it, Captain, and have signed it.
Nevar, what are you? Some sort of Commie Pinko? ;)
July 27th, 2008 at 8:32 pmHere is a question for McCain. A pregnant woman wants her gay friends, married in Massachutes, to adopt her baby upon its birth. If not, she would have an abortion instead. Would you be opposed to the gay couple, legally married in Massachutes, from adopting their friend’s baby?
July 27th, 2008 at 8:33 pmI like the idea of switching the U.S. to better, cheaper, cleaner energy alternatives and passing new technologies to the rest of the world.
But, obviously, it’s a long way to go from being the biggest user of oil and the largest carbon emitters, to a leadership position on cleaner alternatives.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:34 pmI’m a dreamer.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:36 pmJust read an article in the economist.
Someones developed a new solar cell that employs some quantum physics mumbo jumbo and gets 10 times the energy than the previous generation.
More innovation like that and maybe alternatives are plausible answers to our energy needs.
July 27th, 2008 at 8:38 pm