ThinkFast: July 28, 2008
ThinkFast: July 28, 2008
The White House has “increased its estimate for next year’s deficit to nearly $490 billion, a record figure that will saddle the next president with deepening budget problems in his first year in office.” The rising deficit “marks a sharp turnaround for Bush’s fiscal legacy. He inherited a $128 billion surplus when he came into office.”
According to government data, “more than 22,000 veterans have sought help from a special suicide hot line in its first year, and 1,221 suicides have been averted.” A recent RAND Corp. study found that nearly “one in five soldiers returning from Iraq and Afghanistan displays symptoms of post-traumatic stress disorder, putting them at a higher risk for suicide.”
A Transportation Department report to be released today “shows that over the past seven months, Americans have reduced their driving by more than 40 billion miles. Because of high gasoline prices, they drove 3.7% fewer miles in May than they did a year earlier, the report says, more than double the 1.8% drop-off seen in April.”
This week the Senate will take up a $10 billion “Tomnibus” bill containing 35 measures Sen. Tom Coburn — a.k.a. the Senate’s “Dr. No” — has tried to single-handedly block. Coburn has exploited the “unanimous consent” practice in the Senate to hold up bills he says are duplicative of other laws already passed.
On the trail today: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) will visit San Francisco and Bakersfield today for campaign and fundraising events. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) plans to meet a panel of advisers (including Warren Buffett, Paul Volcker, Lawrence Summers, and Robert Rubin) today to examine his campaign’s economic policies.
Due to insensitive remarks made by right-wing radio host Michael Savage about autistic children, “several big advertisers have pulled their commercials from the syndicated ‘Savage Nation’ radio show, and now, thousands of parents and protesters are urging Savage to step down, calling his words ‘hate speech.’” (Take action here.)
“The American military admitted Sunday night that a platoon of soldiers raked a car of innocent Iraqi civilians with hundreds of rounds of gunfire” in Baghdad on June 25. The military also acknowledged issuing a faulty news release “larded with misstatements, asserting that the victims were criminals who had fired on the troops.”
Despite Iraqi Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki’s calls for a timetable to withdraw U.S. troops, Gen. David Petraeus, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, “said in an interview with McClatchy that the situation in Iraq is too volatile to ‘project out, and to then try to plant a flag on, a particular date.’”
“With President Bush set to leave next week for the Olympics in Beijing, the White House is coming under increased pressure from lawmakers and advocacy groups to make a public statement of concern about the crackdown on human rights and freedom in China.”
And finally: Campaign buttons in Idaho show an unlikely pair: Sens. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Larry Craig (R-ID). “Apparently the button manufacturer picked a picture of the wrong Idaho Larry,” the AP notes, as the buttons were “intended to show Obama beside Larry LaRocco, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate.” “That sounds like it’s going to be a collector’s item,” said a LaRocco spokesperson.
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Thousands pour into SW Va. this weekend seeking free health care
They have come by the thousands. They walk through the gates of the fairgrounds, give their most personal information to complete strangers and are ushered off for a battery of tests and procedures. An expected 3,000-plus residents of Southwest Virginia and neighboring states are here through today for one reason — to get basic medical care they couldn’t otherwise afford.
A crowd began lining up in the wee hours of Friday morning for a coveted spot inside the fences at the Remote Area Medical clinic. Some would wait days for the free service. Some would never get in. For the majority though, organizers and doctors said, this would be the only time all year they would get medical treatment of any sort.
Remote Area Medical, based in Knoxville, Tenn., has provided medical care for the poor and uninsured in the United States and around the world since 1985. Since Friday, volunteer doctors, optometrists, pharmacists and dentists have been helping patients during 14-hour days. RAM organizers expect a record crowd this year, almost double of what they saw in 2000, the first year the expedition came to Wise. The group does a total of 16 expeditions in the U.S.
http://www.inrich.com/cva/ric/news.apx.-content-articles-RTD-2008-07-27-0204.html
Thanks should go to all the doctors that volunteered their time this weekend to help out so many people in need. Kudos to all the volunteers that feed the doctors and coordinate this incredible event.
This administration should be ashamed that so many people have to resort to waiting for days for medical treatment. That many more get turned away that desperately need medical care. Healthcare should be available for everyone.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:01 amThis is priceless, and very, very true. From Ben Stein:
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/07/27/preston.mccain/index.html
“Mr. McCain is running the absolute most pathetic campaign I have ever seen in my whole life,” Stein said in his unmistakable monotone delivery. “His campaign is just heartbreakingly pathetic. He is a very impressive guy. He is a brave guy, but he is running the most lackluster campaign I have ever seen in my entire life. I would have thought Bob Dole’s campaign would have set a record for poor campaigns, but this one is even worse. I mean it is shocking.”
July 28th, 2008 at 9:02 am**Sorry for the length but there have been new developments in the Ohio election rigging case. Make sure you read the original plus all of the links to get the full picture. Give them immunity…I bet they will sing like song birds! I hope this will embolden other whistle blowers to come forward with their stories (related to this or other crimes) before the Bush crime family (hopefully) leaves office.
Rove Threat to Blackmail GOP IT Mastermind Triggers Immunity Request to Ohio AG by Election Lawyers
By John Michael Spinelli
Originally posted at OhioNewsBureau
GOP Threatens “Valerie Plame” Style Strike Against Wife of IT Mastermind if He Doesn’t Become Fall Guy for Gaming the 2004 Ohio Election
COLUMBUS, OHIO: The little story about how the GOP cyber-gamed the Ohio presidential election in 2004 is growing by the day, spurred on to greater heights Thursday when an Ohio election attorney asked the Ohio Attorney General to provide immunity protection to Mike Connell, the GOP IT mastermind who built various computer systems they say not only won Ohio for President Bush in 2004 but led to many other wins for Republicans over the years of the Bush Administration.
A key figure in the grand strategy of the Grand Old Party to build a cyber system that could assure permanent control by Republicans of key offices, state and federal, is Mike Connell, an Ohio native some refer to as a “High IQ Forrest Gump” for his brilliance in masterminding the construction of various computer systems associated with election procedures and data security, including the so-called firewall in Congress.
Rove Alleged to Issue Blackmail Threat to Wife of GOP IT Mastermind
Arnebeck was especially concerned that Connell’s wife would be slapped with a GOP lawsuit alleging violations of lobbying laws if Mike Connell didn’t fall on his sword as the person responsible for building the system. “If this is true about Connell’s wife, we want to do everything to make sure every witness will be protected against any such threat,” said Arnebeck, who added that if Connell feels threatened by Rove threatening to go after his wife on a criminal basis, he might not talk to House Judiciary Committee as he once said he might do but instead will seek out defense counsel.
When Mr. Spoonamore, the cyber security expert Arnebeck has enlisted as a key witness and whose professional paths have crossed those of Connell, was asked a week ago whether the explanation that elections couldn’t be cyber stolen because they are run by two major parties, as Blackwell told the House Judiciary committee as an air-tight reason why conspiracy is only a reality in the mind of conspiratists, Spoonamore said with great emphasis that none of the board of election members, Republican or Democrat, or their staff wouldn’t have a clue that the election-system Matrix set up by pros like Connell was at work, undetectable to anyone, not the least of which would be board members who have no expertise in the software underlying the system they think they’re running. No one has really probed the voter database software that touch-screen vendors bundle in with the equipment each county purchases for them, failing to understand that vendor technicians, who come and go with no checks on them, could tilt the playing field of elections is so directed by their superiors, who are not any of the people who believe they are in control of the system.
my emphasis
July 28th, 2008 at 9:03 amhttp://www.opednews.com/articles/1/Rove-Threat-to-Blackmail-G-by-Rady-Ananda-080727-648.html
I wonder if that baby is crying because he realizes the kind of future Bush has created for him?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:04 amObama-McCain Matchup: Blowout Or Trench Warfare?
Pollster.com has at the top of its front page a chart suggesting that the presidential election is all but over.
The public opinion experts who run the site say states with 284 electoral college votes – 14 more than the 270 needed to win – lean to or firmly support Barack Obama; states with 147 lean toward or are in John McCain’s camp; and 10 states with 107 electoral votes are tossups.
In other words, the site suggests that Obama does not need to win a single tossup state — Colorado, Missouri, Florida, Virginia, Arizona, Nevada, Montana, North Dakota, North Carolina or Indiana — to take the oath of office on January 20, 2009.
There are some in the political science community (if community is the right word, perhaps it should be called a cauldron) who share this view and others who are less sanguine about the prospects of an Obama blowout.
One of the first shots is this dispute among academics was fired here on the Huffington Post. In an essay titled “The Myth of a Toss-up Election,” Alan Abramowitz (Emory), Tom Mann (Brookings) and Larry Sabato (Virginia), jointly declared:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/27/obama-mccain-matchup-blow_n_115232.html
July 28th, 2008 at 9:05 amBill Kristol’s column in the NYT this morning is titled:
‘Be Afraid. Please’
He referring to Obama, of course, but that title sums up the last 14 years of Republic’s stratergery.
Fear, smear, lies and manipulation. As noted above, Bush had turned a $128 Billion surplus into a $490 Billion deficit.
Meanwhile, McStake is spouting bullshit while regretting he ever demanded Obama go overseas.
Be careful what you wish for, McFlopper, you just may get it.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:06 amWhy we never need to build another polluting power plant
Coal? Natural gas? Nuke? We can wipe them all off the drawing board by using current energy more efficiently. Are you listening, Washington?
The more electricity a utility sells, the more money it makes. If it’s able to boost electricity demand enough, the utility is allowed to build a new power plant with a guaranteed profit. The only way a typical utility can lose money is if demand drops. So the last thing most utilities want to do is seriously push strategies that save energy.
A 2007 report from the international consulting firm McKinsey and Co. found that improving energy efficiency in buildings, appliances and factories could offset almost all of the projected demand for electricity in 2030 and largely negate the need for new coal-fired power plants. McKinsey estimates that one-third of the U.S. greenhouse gas reductions by 2030 could come from electricity efficiency and be achieved at negative marginal costs. In short, the cost of the efficient equipment would quickly pay for itself in energy savings.
In the past three decades, electricity consumption per capita grew 60 percent in the rest of the nation, while it stayed flat in high-tech, fast-growing California. If all Americans had the same per capita electricity demand as Californians currently do, we would cut electricity consumption 40 percent. If the entire nation had California’s much cleaner electric grid, we would cut total U.S. global-warming pollution by more than a quarter without raising American electric bills. And if all of America adopted the same energy-efficiency policies that California is now putting in place, the country would never have to build another polluting power plant.
Many of the strategies are obvious: better insulation, energy-efficient lighting, heating and cooling. But some of the strategies were unexpected. The state found that the average residential air duct leaked 20 to 30 percent of the heated and cooled air it carried. It then required leakage rates below 6 percent, and every seventh new house is inspected. Flat roofs on commercial buildings must be white, which reflects the sunlight and keeps the buildings cooler, reducing air-conditioning energy demands.
The best corporate example is Dow Chemical’s Louisiana division, consisting of more than 20 plants. In 1982, the division’s energy manager, Ken Nelson, began a yearly contest to identify and fund energy-saving projects. The first year of the contest had 27 winners requiring a total capital investment of $1.7 million with an average annual return on investment of 173 percent. Many at Dow felt that there couldn’t be others with such high returns. The skeptics were wrong. The 1983 contest had 32 winners requiring a total capital investment of $2.2 million and a 340 percent return — a savings of $7.5 million in the first year and every year after that.
http://www.salon.com/news/feature/2008/07/28/energy_efficiency/index.html
Great article by Joseph Romm. If every state adopted California standards for buildings and residential it would not only save us money on our utility bills but would lower our consumption of gas and electricity. This would be especially true for us in Ohio, where extreme weather conditions boost the consumption. We don’t have the luxury of moderate temperatures like California so our savings would be even more than the 40%. One example of great energy efficiency would be to get an new water tank. Most water tanks have a rating of .55 or less Energy Factor. A tankless system has an energy factor of .80 or greater. Upside, you are saving money and energy by not keeping water hot that is not being used.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:07 amBad day in Iraq:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7528117.stm
July 28th, 2008 at 9:09 am“With President Bush set to leave next week for the Olympics in Beijing, the White House is coming under increased pressure from lawmakers and advocacy groups to make a public statement of concern about the crackdown on human rights and freedom in China.”
I will be boycotting the Chinese Olympics in t.v., despite being an ardent Summer Olmpics viewer. I’d like to invite other Americans, who control viewer ratings which impact advertizing, to do the same.
Even if it is nothing more than a symbolic gesture, it’s still a way of supporting the people of Tibet and the billions of Chinese who are treated appallingly by their government.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:09 amNew Study Shows Major Networks Tougher On Obama Than McCain
Haters of the mainstream media reheated a bit of conventional wisdom last week.
Barack Obama, they said, was getting a free ride from those insufferable liberals.
Such pronouncements, sorry to say, tend to be wrong since they describe a monolithic media that no longer exists. Information today cascades from countless outlets and channels, from the Huffington Post to Politico.com to CBS News and beyond.
But now there’s additional evidence that casts doubt on the bias claims aimed — with particular venom — at three broadcast networks.
The Center for Media and Public Affairs at George Mason University, where researchers have tracked network news content for two decades, found that ABC, NBC and CBS were tougher on Obama than on Republican John McCain during the first six weeks of the general-election campaign.
You read it right: tougher on the Democrat.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/27/new-study-shows-major-net_n_115240.html
July 28th, 2008 at 9:10 amWhen one considers the projected surpluses, even, to be conservative, trimming those projections by 10%, the difference between where we are and where we could be runs to the several trillions. Corpses, rubble, corruption, plunder and enormous debt – this is the legacy of the Cheney maladministration.
BTW, little is more insane than choosing as policy both war and tax cuts.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:11 amRingo Dingo goon golly Says:
The Olympics are a time to come together in good will, not a time for political statements, protests and boycotts.
Didn’t care for the 1980 boycott?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:12 amThe White House has “increased its estimate for next year’s deficit to nearly $490 billion, a record figure that will saddle the next president with deepening budget problems in his first year in office.”
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Obama will certainly have his work cut out for him when he takes office. And I suspect this is exactly what the Republicans are counting on.
It’s becoming more and more apparent that the GOP has no intention of winning the White House in November. They know that Obama will clean McCain’s clock, and they’re fine with that. They will give Obama four years to clean up the Bushco mess, and they will spend that four years hammering him constantly while they regroup. In four years, they will blame ALL budgetary, economic, foreign policy, and other ills on Obama and the Democrats while they campaign to take the WH and Congress back.
And the wingnut pundits are so anxious to get a Democratic scapegoat in place they can barely stand it.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:14 am“[D]uplicative of other laws already passed” – what a lying sack of pustular fecal matter.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:16 amwe’re all aware of the Bush freedom agenda. For Buddhist monks in Myanmar and Tibet, it’s the freedom to have your head cracked. However, Chevron keeps pumping millions of dollars to the Burmese junta and Bush will sit center stage at the Olympic opening ceremonies.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:16 amAnd the beat goes on Says: Mike Connell, the GOP IT mastermind who built various computer systems they say not only won Ohio for President Bush in 2004 but led to many other wins for Republicans over the years of the Bush Administration.
This does not surprise me, but I am very glad to hear that it is finally coming to light. Rolling Stone had published that brilliant article on why the exit polling is never as wrong as it was.
Bush has twice been an illegitimate President. But I’d be lying if I said that anything will happen to him or his devoted minions as a result of their having stolen the office from both Gore and Kerry.
Obama should FIGHT if he loses in November.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:17 amRingo dingo….and your source is?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:19 amRingo Dingo Says:
“No, I think that Jimmy Carter’s 1980 Boycott was among his most stupid decisions.”
Methinks I will pay for you to take an American History class at your local adult ed. center. Carter was not president in 1980.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:21 amCaption:
Ohhh, Dick is going to find this one tasty…
July 28th, 2008 at 9:21 amRingo Dingo Says:
Report the bad, but also report the good.
So have they caught Osama Bin Forgotten yet?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:21 amOH YEAH, HE IS IN PAKISTAN OR AFGHANISTAN, NOT IRAQ.
Bozo The Neoclown Says:
Ringo Dingo Says:
“No, I think that Jimmy Carter’s 1980 Boycott was among his most stupid decisions.”
Methinks I will pay for you to take an American History class at your local adult ed. center. Carter was not president in 1980.
He needs those reading comprehension classes he skipped before the history classes will do any good.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:23 amElaine Donnelly is one deranged individual if you ask me.
If this guy doesn’t have the eyes of a psychotic, I don’t know who does.
The Jerusalem Post has an interview with Obama.
Police seem to be afraid of a teenager with a broken back who, while laying on the ground (‘cause his back was broken), the police felt the need to taser him 19 times. The boy is 16 years old.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:23 amAnd here we have an accurate portrayal of the difference between the two campaigns – “gimme money for surreal smears” vs “let’s have independent experts examine our policies.”
July 28th, 2008 at 9:23 amWhile elections take place in even-numbered years, administrations change in the following January. The Olympics were in the summer, four months before the election of professional corporate shill, Saint Reagan.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:27 amIgnoranceIsNotBliss Says:
Police seem to be afraid of a teenager with a broken back who, while laying on the ground (‘cause his back was broken), the police felt the need to taser him 19 times. The boy is 16 years old.
I read that this weekend. It is amazing that these cowardly cops rather than try to get this kid to the hospital tazed him because he wouldn’t stand up on their orders. Kinda hard to stand when your back is f-king broken.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:30 amTazing someone with a broken back 19 times will NOT make them stand up, in fact tazing someone without a broken back usually makes them fall down.
Ringo Dingo Says:
No, I think that Jimmy Carter’s 1980 Boycott was among his most stupid decisions.
Because . . . I guess you were a fan of the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:31 am22. Actually, Bozo, Jimmy Carter was President until January 1981.
However, anyone who still believes – as Ringo Dingo apparently does – that the Olympics is about international goodwill, is hopelessly naïve.
The Olympics is about corporate greed and advertising. It’s a decadent sports spectacle with professional athletes who get millions in endorsements. It’s a jingoistic competition that brings out the worst nationalist instincts.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:31 amBe Afraid. Please.
The only Repuke I can think of dumber than Kristol is O’Hanlon.
Naahh, on second thought, Kristol takes the cake.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:33 amWhen they say $490 billion deficit, does that include the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan? Or are the two wars emergency supplementals again? Is the total really minus $650 billion?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:33 amRingo Dingo Says:
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Wow, one of you Bozos says something stupid, and the others jump on board with insults and recommends. Carter was President in 1980. He was president during the 1980 boycott.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:27 am
Too bad he wasn’t re-elected ; we wouldn’t be so dependent on oil.
Instead , a lot of Americans , typically , got suckered into voting for Ronnie Retard ; the GOP’s mythical president , who truly sucked ass (as most GOP presidents often do)……..
July 28th, 2008 at 9:33 amjasperjava:
July 28th, 2008 at 9:36 amI would add that the unneeded regular reconstruction of high tech athletic facilities brings with it ridiculous negative environmental implications.
Ringo Dingo Says:
How many history classes did you skip?
You still need reading comprehension classes, since yesterday you could not understand the difference between the word Troll and the word Troop. You disappeared fast after that gaff yesterday.
My comment was that history classes would do you no good without any reading comprehension skills.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:36 amjasperjava Says:
July 28th, 2008 at 9:31 am
So true. Great comment.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:40 amMCMetal Says: Too bad he wasn’t re-elected ; we wouldn’t be so dependent on oil.
Like the British who took the Oil Imbargo seriously and started beefing up tehir mass transit systems. You can comfortably live in London without owning a car. The only US cities where you can do the same are very liberal cities like San Francisco and New York.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:41 amRingo Dingo
July 28th, 2008 at 9:41 amThe c-in-chief is obliged to listen to the military, and weigh their opinions, but the president is supposed to look at the total regional/global strategy not just combat tactics. The military do not tell the White House what to do – or are you encouraging a military coup?
MCMetal Says:
Instead , a lot of Americans , typically , got suckered into voting for Ronnie Retard ; the GOP’s mythical president , who truly sucked ass (as most GOP presidents often do)……..
I still find it amazing that the American people were stupid enough to elect someone that though trees causes pollution, not cars.
“80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees.” Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979.
But then again, they elected Bush too, twice. Must be something in the water.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:42 amThe White House has “increased its estimate for next year’s deficit to nearly $490 billion, a record figure that will saddle the next president with deepening budget problems in his first year in office.” The rising deficit “marks a sharp turnaround for Bush’s fiscal legacy. He inherited a $128 billion surplus when he came into office.”
And this “news” to anyone ?
When has the assbag ever been successful at any endeavor ?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:43 amWayne Says:
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MCMetal Says:
Instead , a lot of Americans , typically , got suckered into voting for Ronnie Retard ; the GOP’s mythical president , who truly sucked ass (as most GOP presidents often do)……..
I still find it amazing that the American people were stupid enough to elect someone that though trees causes pollution, not cars.
“80 percent of air pollution comes not from chimneys and auto exhaust pipes, but from plants and trees.” Presidential candidate Ronald Reagan, in 1979.
But then again, they elected Bush too, twice. Must be something in the water.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:42 am
Observe how they are both Repubs , also ; coincidence ?
Not a chance in hell………
July 28th, 2008 at 9:44 amThe crying baby represents 73% of the American public.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:44 amShoulda read the link first. It says projection is not full funding for the 2 wars:
The actual 2009 deficit could climb still higher because the new projection does not reflect full funding for the wars. In addition, a worsening economy could add to the red ink by reducing tax revenue and increasing safety-net payments, such as jobless benefits and food stamps.
It also says the biggest deficit as a percentage of the economy belongs to Reagan.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:45 amFear is all the Republicans have. They know their base responds to fear, since they are mostly cowards and sissies.
Republicans think America is too weak to defeat terrorists without invading unrelated countries.
Why do Republicans think America is weak? Is it because THEY are weak and terrified? Me thinks yes.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:48 amto dingo-berry and other trolls –
An Olympic boycott is one thing; however, GDumbya’s “boycott” of world opinion for the past eight years is quite another.
Now, I know that you trolls will jump on me for being a surrender-monkey hate-America type. But the plain truth of the matter is that I love America enough to believe that we are actually a better country and a more influential force in the world when we are able to build coalitions and lead change that benefits people all over the world.
We have had more than enough of GDumbya’s “you’re either with us or against us” mentality.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:49 amGen. David Petraeus, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, “said in an interview with McClatchy that the situation in Iraq is too volatile to ‘project out, and to then try to plant a flag on, a particular DECADE .’”
There, fixed that right up.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:50 amWayne Says: But then again, they elected Bush too, twice. Must be something in the water.
Seems Bush stole both his terms.
Reagan, having been an actor, was a motivational speaker. People fell for that. They just rationalized his nonsense comments away, like too many people do when they ‘believe’.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:50 amRingo Dingo Says:
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Wayne Says:
Carter was not president in 1980.
Methinks Wayne is running out of Cheetos and clean underwear.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:45 am
I’ve read your posts……..
You have about as much chance of ‘thinking’ as Chimpy has being remembered as even a competent individual and/or president , chump………..
July 28th, 2008 at 9:50 am“. . . next year’s deficit to nearly $490. . . .”
The Conservative ‘starve the beast‘ plot is coming to full fruition!
July 28th, 2008 at 9:50 amSoviets invade Afghanistan in 1980?
I’m sure that if we had radical Islamic militants taking over a country bordering us, we would not invade [snark].
July 28th, 2008 at 9:50 amTP, it’s time to start banning by IP.
You’ve got Trolls changing names quicker than McCain’s policies!
If you want to maintain any volume in readership / posters, get your act together. Trolls are here to disrupt and throw insults; nothing more.
C’mon, TP, get your poop in a group & into the 21st Century.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:51 amCmon people, the trolls serve a purpose.
They let us know what talking points have been handed down.
They let lurking readers know how insecure and frightened the right wingers are.
They give us a chance to refine our rebuttals to their childish and cowardly positions.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:54 amMy theory is that repugnicants get elected by promising to lower taxes.
But they don’t have the will or muscle to cut spending (or get us into nation-draining wars) because it would be unpopular.
So they drive up deficits pretending to be conservatives. They dump their burden on our kids, and their kids.
It is pathetic that so many Americans fall for this shit over and over again.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:55 amCampaign buttons in Idaho show an unlikely pair: Sens. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Larry Craig (R-ID)
Would it be a far guess to say that these buttons were brought to you by the creators of those hateful t-shirts and Sock Obama?
July 28th, 2008 at 9:55 amR. Tommy, not to mention keeping firms like Haynes and Fruit of the Loom in business…
July 28th, 2008 at 9:55 amFrom the looks of the photo, even a very young child can be a good judge of character.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:58 amBabies should be afraid of monsters like Bush. If it was Cheney holding him up, I’d expect to see a sacraficial altar nearby.
July 28th, 2008 at 9:59 amWord is that Sen. Craig will attend the RNC convention…
He set up an office at the Mpls. airport…(rimshot)
July 28th, 2008 at 10:00 amDue to insensitive remarks made by right-wing radio host Michael Savage about autistic children, “several big advertisers have pulled their commercials
Savage may not be off the air, but he will notice a sizeable reduction in his paycheck come the 1st..
July 28th, 2008 at 10:02 amIraq Bombings Kill Scores, Wound Hundreds in Baghdad, Kirkuk
Suicide bombers struck a Shiite pilgrimage in Baghdad and a Kurdish protest rally in northern Iraq on Monday, killing at least 57 people and wounding nearly 300, police said.
Three female suicide bombers blew their explosive vests in the middle of pilgrims in Baghdad, moments after a roadside bomb attack, killing at least 32 people and wounding 102, Iraqi officials said.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/28/iraq-bombings-kill-43-wou_n_115280.html
So much for the “Surge Is Working” speech McCain gave.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:07 amMcWars Says:
Savage may not be off the air, but he will notice a sizeable reduction in his paycheck come the 1st..
Weiner forgot to do his homework. One of the big sponsors has been Home Depot. From the linked article:
Oops.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:08 amRingo Dingo Says:
More proof you need those reading comprehension classes.
Maybe you can point out where I said Carter was not president in 1980?
Ohhhh, you can’t…..
July 28th, 2008 at 10:09 amRingo Dingo Says: Debra Bartoshevich, the duly elected Democratic Party delegate for Hillary Clinton…
This is the best you can post? LOL Barrel scraping has sunk to a whole new level of desperation…
July 28th, 2008 at 10:11 amRingo Dingo Goon Golly Says:
Debra Bartoshevich, the duly elected Democratic Party delegate for Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin who vowed undying loyalty to the former first lady, has been dumped by the state party and barred from attending the Democratic National Convention in Denver next month.
Always selectively editing during the creative cut & paste. The committee vote was 28 to 0, because:
Yes, well, why should she go to the convention? It would be like having Lieberman make a speech.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:11 amRingo Dingo Says:
Debra Bartoshevich, the duly elected Democratic Party delegate for Hillary Clinton in Wisconsin who vowed undying loyalty to the former first lady, has been dumped by the state party and barred from attending the Democratic National Convention in Denver next month.
That little thing about breaking the rules for Democratic delegates by publicly pledging to vote for the Republican candidate usually will get you kicked from the Convention.
Did you leave that part out intentionally or is that reading comprehension problem popping up again?
July 28th, 2008 at 10:12 amRingo Dingo Goon golly Says:
Democrats move to quash overnight protest by 50,000 at DNC Convention.
Is that a lie or just a lack of comprehension? No overnight “protest” is planned or quashed. There is no permit for overnight camping, and it isn’t a decision by the Democrats.
Your kung fu is so weak you have to make sh!t up.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:13 amaww, poor ringo, always afraid, always whining, always republican
why are right wingers such huge sissies?
July 28th, 2008 at 10:14 amRingo Dingo Says: Democrats move to quash overnight protest by 50,000 at DNC Convention
Why is it that you support oppression by Republicans, but are wholly outraged when it supposedly happens to Republicans (not that I’m buying your story)? Hypocrite.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:14 amBimbo Dimbo needs to slow down on that whine, it’ll be drunk by noon the way it is ranting.
Maybe some vintners can bottle some Whiners’ Wine for our trolls.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:16 amCall whine wun wun and get him a waaaambulance!
July 28th, 2008 at 10:17 amRingo Dingo Says:
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Democrats move to quash overnight protest by 50,000 at DNC Convention.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/ news/ 2008/ jul/ 28/ mayor-says-no-to-tent-state-overnight/
July 28th, 2008 at 10:10 am
Since when has 1 mayor been the entire Democratic party , shitbag ?
July 28th, 2008 at 10:17 amThat was awesome to read, gum. Good morning to you.
I can’t tell you how proud I am of these groups and other advocates of the autistic. They’ve made a real impact.
Michael Savage believed it was ok to go ahead with his comments, believing society gave him permission. Oh, how the sleeping giant awoke to eat him alive.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:18 amDr. Hussein Matt Says: The shooter in Knoxville said the reason why he wanted to kill was because of his hatred for gays and liberals. He’s the newest hero of faux and drugbaugh.
A Christian actually had the nerve to say to me that Christians don’t want to go around killing people like Muslims do. Never mind stuff like this, or the overwhelming percent of Christians in prison for violent crimes (only 0.2% of people in prison for any reason are Atheists, who represent at least 15% of the population).
July 28th, 2008 at 10:18 am#66 gummitch Says:
Weiner forgot to do his homework. One of the big sponsors has been Home Depot. From the linked article:
Home Depot co-founder Bernie Marcus gave $25 million for the creation of Autism Speaks, in 2005, and sits on the group’s board of directors.
Oops.
Good Morning Gunmitch :) I personally loved the irony. I’m glad Bernie kicked Savage to the curb. What Savage also didn’t research is that 1 in every 150 children are diagnosed with Autism. That means that almost every single sponsor has a child, a relative or knows a parent of a child with Autism in their employment. He shot himself in the foot with his comments this time; hopefully it will finally be his downfall.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:19 amDavid Petraeus, top U.S. military commander in Iraq, “said in an interview with McClatchy that the situation in Iraq is too volatile to ‘project out, and to then try to plant a flag on, a particular date.’
So, David Betrayus is saying that he won’t honor the requests of the people running the country he is currently occupying. If we refuse to leave, after being asked to leave, you can expect many more US casualties.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:20 amRingo Dingo: You’re still a piece of troll shit with no influence on this election.
What’s on the menu at the Republican National Convention? Burnt toast?
July 28th, 2008 at 10:24 amRingo Dingo Says:
Just like you were yesterday when you jumped in to celebrate American troops getting their “asses kicked” (your words) in Afghanistan.
Celebrate? You f-king dumbass, I am pissed that Bush dropped the ball on getting the real Al Qaeda in Afghanistan, while invading Iraq for a bunch of lies, and as a result we are losing ground in Afghanistan, where the real Al Qaeda still is.
If you have ever read my posts ( comprehensively ) before you would realize I have been complaining about the way Bush has been screwing up and the horrible treatment of our war wounded since TP opened its blog.
More proof you need reading comprehension classes, you dumb f_ck.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:25 amRingo Dingo Says: And yet, she was still banned.
You’re saying that Republicans have NEVER banned anyone? Because you can’t criticize Democrats unless you also criticize Republicans for the same act. Hypocrite.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:29 amRingo Dingo Says:
Well, there’s that “commander on the ground” that Obama said he’d listen to, and it appears that commander agrees with Senator McCain.
Obama said he would “listen” to the commanders on the ground, he did not say he would do what they want. Funny thing though, Betrayus is the only “commander on the ground” in Iraq who agrees with McBush. The remainder see the wisdom in getting the hell out of Iraq. We are not in a war in Iraq, we are occupying the country against the will of it’s people. We have been asked to leave, so we must leave.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:29 amRingo Dingo Says: The ACLU has sued the DNC and the City of Denver over their planned treatment of protesters.
So you only like the ACLU when it suits your needs? Hypocrite.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:30 amSo the troll repeats numerous times that Carter wasn’t president in the 1980s. Actually, that’s pretty easy (and depressing) to forget, since we were all made to believe that Reagan WAS the 80s, with no room for Carter.
Carter was too good for the 80s anyway.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:30 amOn Petraeus:
“We occasionally have commanders who have so many good weeks, (they think) it’s won. We’ve got this thing. Well we don’t. We’ve had so many good weeks. Right now, for example we’ve had two-and-a-half months of levels of violence not [seen] since March 2004,” he said from his office at Camp Victory.
Camp Victory, eh?
“Well that’s encouraging. It’s heartening. It’s very welcome. But let’s keep our powder dry. . . .Let’s not let our guard down.”
Petraeus spent 17 days in August of 2007 engaged in promoting the success of the surge to the media (including a trip to Australia during their elections) and testified to Congress the following month during which he provided cooked figures to present highly optimistic and faulty diagnoses and prognoses—just as he is now effectively claiming some of his own junior commanders are supposedly doing.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:31 amCorrection — that Carter was president in 1980
July 28th, 2008 at 10:33 amRingo Dingo Says:
Report the bad, but also report the good.
So dingbat, how are those benchmarks coming along? You know, the benchmarks the “surge” was supposed to ensure happened? None of them have been fully achieved. Some of them have had minor progress, most haven’t had any progress.
But, as you and your ilk keep saying “the surge is a success” even though it hasn’t met any of it’s goals.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:34 amFreedom Rebel Says:
This administration should be ashamed that so many people have to resort to waiting for days for medical treatment. That many more get turned away that desperately need medical care. Healthcare should be available for everyone.
Good morning Freb. Unfortunately these sadistic reublican ba$tards are incapable of shame or empathy.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:35 amRingwormed Dingo:
Yes, Gummich, there is much creativity in your select cut and paste. You missed this.
“Bartoshevich said she was open to persuasion by Obama and pleaded for the opportunity to listen and to cast her vote for Sen. Clinton in Denver.”
And yet, she was still banned.
Never mind her ignoring the rules of the Wisconsin Democratic Party to pledge to support the winner of the Democratic primaries at the Convention, eh?
Get those reading comprehension classes soon, Ringworm
July 28th, 2008 at 10:36 amThe White House has “increased its estimate for next year’s deficit to nearly $490 billion, a record figure that will saddle the next president with deepening budget problems in his first year in office.” The rising deficit “marks a sharp turnaround for Bush’s fiscal legacy. He inherited a $128 billion surplus when he came into office.”
And what do we have to show for it? New roads, better access to health care, more school supplies for our children? We have nothing to show for it other than a war nobody wants. Nice going.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
July 28th, 2008 at 10:38 amCampaign buttons in Idaho show an unlikely pair: Sens. Barack Obama (D-IL) and Larry Craig (R-ID). “Apparently the button manufacturer picked a picture of the wrong Idaho Larry,” the AP notes, as the buttons were “intended to show Obama beside Larry LaRocco, the Democratic candidate for U.S. Senate.” “That sounds like it’s going to be a collector’s item,” said a LaRocco spokesperson.
I don’t care who you are, that’s funny right there. :-D
We need a fresh new Larry. Vote LaRocco!
July 28th, 2008 at 10:38 am#dbadass Says:
I would add that the unneeded regular reconstruction of high tech athletic facilities brings with it ridiculous negative environmental implications.
The visibility today at the Olympic site is a half mile. They are suffering one of the worst smog attacks this year. How fun for the athletes. It amazes me that the Olympic committee chose China for the games. They had to know about all the inherent problems they would face with China as the host.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:40 amRingo Dingo Says:
Thank you. Finally. We have a winner!!! Now try concincing Wayne.
First you will have to show where I ( not someone I quoted ) stated Carter was NOT President in 1980.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:41 amStill waiting, Ringworm
Yes, that post didn’t turn out too well. But it came with a correction, and you still deserved to be flagged, troll poop.
Wait, “troll” and “poop”? That sounds redundant. I meant “poop.”
July 28th, 2008 at 10:44 amZimzone Says:
Caption:
Ohhh, Dick is going to find this one tasty…
This gets my nomination for “post of the day”. Kudos :)
July 28th, 2008 at 10:44 amZimzone Says:
TP, it’s time to start banning by IP.
You’ve got Trolls changing names quicker than McCain’s policies!
If you want to maintain any volume in readership / posters, get your act together. Trolls are here to disrupt and throw insults; nothing more.
C’mon, TP, get your poop in a group & into the 21st Century.
I have come to the conclusion that it is by design they don’t ban by IP. They feel important when threads get up to 300 or so posts, even though most are by trolls. I think TP is competing with HP where a thread can easily get to 1,000 posts. Since they can’t do it without the trolls, they allow them to keep coming back week after week.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:46 amDr. Hussein Matt Says:
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The shooter in Knoxville said the reason why he wanted to kill was because of his hatred for gays and liberals.
Uh oh. Has anyone heard from Daryll since the shootings?
July 28th, 2008 at 10:48 amRingo Dingo Says:
Give it up Wayne. Your D- in American History has just been revised downward to an F. Now go upstairs and clean your room or your mom won’t buy you any more Cheetos. Better luck in school this year.
Cutting and pasting is so easy for you, why can you not show proof of what i said Ringworm?
maybe because of your reading comprehension issues and that fact you are claiming I said something I didn’t?
How Republican of you.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:49 amRingo Dingo Says: The ACLU has sued the DNC and the City of Denver over their planned treatment of protesters.
As they will be doing when the RNC announces the same tactics to deal with protesters. Since confining protesters to a fenced area has been the norm for the Republicans for years, I seriously doubt they are going to change their tactics this convention.
I feel very bad that the Democrats feel they have to use these tactics to control the crowd, but they are concerned about security due to the right wing encouraging people to go to Denver and engage in violent protests. That is Limpdick’s wet dream, violent protests at the Democratic convention.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:53 amGive the troll a break. Its only trying to enjoy what’s left of its power trip of the last eight years. Because it won’t live to enjoy it again — only whine.
Here are some examples:
Congress passes Social Security tax increase for high-income earners.
Ringo: I’M CALLING LIMBAUGH! I’M CALLING LIMBAUGH! WAH!
Congress passes DREAM ACT
Ringo: WAH! WAH! WAH!
Congress approves energy overhaul, major breakthrough in green initiatives.
Ringo: MARK LEVIN, WHAT’S YOUR NUMBER??!?!? WAAAAAAHHH!!
Congress passes health care reforms, President Obama expected to sign.
Ringo: I WUNNA BE THE ONLY ONE LEFT ON THE PLANET! VETO THE BILL REPUBLICANS! YOU CAN FIND SOME WAY TO DO IT WITH YOUR 10 SEATS! WAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH!!!!!!!!!
July 28th, 2008 at 10:53 am#95 Exit Stage Left Says:
Freedom Rebel Says:
This administration should be ashamed that so many people have to resort to waiting for days for medical treatment. That many more get turned away that desperately need medical care. Healthcare should be available for everyone.
Good morning Freb. Unfortunately these sadistic reublican ba$tards are incapable of shame or empathy.
Good Morning Exit Stage Left :) So true. Plus they are greedy.
There is no profit in a single-payer program, hence Republicans will never support it. The executives of HMO’s and the rest of the insurance industry would be rendered obsolete. That day can’t come soon enough for me.
Good to see you, hope you had a good weekend!!!
July 28th, 2008 at 10:55 amWow, if this is the best troll the RNC can muster, they are really in trouble this year.
Bwahahahahahaha
July 28th, 2008 at 10:55 amDon’t waltz into any country and reveal yourself as a republican, Ringo. You could be extradited to the Hague.
July 28th, 2008 at 11:02 amRingo Dingo Says:
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Recreate ‘68. Has a nice ring to it.
July 28th, 2008 at 10:55 am
You mean when imbeciles like yourself started to vote in a string of 5 successive GOP criminals ?
You must be awfully proud of that record , skid mark……
July 28th, 2008 at 11:11 amCaption contest:
Bush, “So Kucinich, you want to impeach me you little sonuva…”
Presidential Aid, “Uh, Mr. President that’s a baby.”
Bush, “My bad. Hey kid, you ever read “My Pet Goat”?…good stuff. Uh Oh, I think he made a stinky.”
Bush Aid, “You truly have a gift, Sir.”
July 28th, 2008 at 11:15 amCaption Contest:
Babies are afraid of clowns.
July 28th, 2008 at 11:21 amthis 7/23 opinion piece was in my local paper saturday…
they’re never gonna give up till they have it ALL…
Stop the Raid
July 23, 2008 10:01 AM EST
by JACK KEMP – The future of Social Security presents not just a crisis for America, but an even bigger opportunity. For Social Security reform done right is a huge opportunity for a historic breakthrough in the personal prosperity of working people.
[...]
…a new book, “Stop the Raid,” … which explains how the federal government has raided the Social Security trust fund over the years, using the money for other government spending.
http://www.theconservativevoice.com/article/33443.html
and yet, no surprise, kemp says nothing about the REAL fix:
STOP RAIDING THE SS TRUST FUND…
how would those “private accounts” have faired over this latest stock market ride? how are your 401k’s doing?
…
July 28th, 2008 at 11:40 amCredit where credit is due, Ringo Dingo was right and Bozo was wrong. Carter was president in 1980.
July 28th, 2008 at 11:50 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
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… HP where a thread can easily get to 1,000 posts.
i don’t read the comments there… does it get that high because of trooll FEEDING… like it does here at TP?
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July 28th, 2008 at 12:03 pmOh Dingleball, don’t go away mad, just go away.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:04 pmOn Friday, Senate Republicans blocked a bill to rein in speculation in the oil markets. They want more drilling and nuclear power. And late on a Friday afternoon. I suppose they hope no one caught it. It almost worked. Monied power: 1, Average Americans: 0.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pmUS military trying to block all war images from coming home.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:08 pmSounds like somebody’s got a Unitarian Church to shoot up somewhere.
Why no thread on the Terrorist attack in Tennessee??
July 28th, 2008 at 12:09 pmRingo misses the point that bush fired every commander that disagreed with him……betrayus will not be working for Obama.
Justs as bush has assumed (inefficiantly to say the least) the mantle of commander in chief, Obama will soon be that commander in chief and the commanders in the field will work for him, not the other way around.
I know this is disappointing news to the right but you will just have to learn to live with it.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:11 pmWell then I guess that means you on the right are ready to take credit for the thousands of serious mistakes you have made then, am I correct?
Credit where credit is due……your words.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:16 pmFred:
Well then I guess that means you on the right are ready to take credit for the thousands of serious mistakes you have made then, am I correct?
Credit where credit is due……your words.
Reel it back in, Fred, I’m pretty sure Luis is on our side.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:25 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins @ 101
I wonder what will happen if a dozen or more atheleyes can’t compete because of air quality. That could have consequences for China and the oil industry if hundreds of millions of people around the world start realizing how screwed up the world atmosphere really is.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:39 pmI am particularly annoyed by the endless construction of winter olympic facilities in fragile habitats. How many liquid nitrogen luge runs does the world need. Enough of this crap. Can’t the world just setlle on rotating the games through just a view preexisting facilities. It is stupid and wasteful.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:45 pmahh, the Bush legacy……….
the gift that just keeps on giving.
July 28th, 2008 at 12:49 pmReport: Empty prison in Iraq a $40M ‘failure’
By BRIAN MURPHY and PAULINE JELINEK, Associated Press Writers
Mon Jul 28, 6:26 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_on_re_mi_ea/iraq_vacant_prison;_ylt=AmoS5edkuVg2R0kLzs4Zz.ms0NUE
BAGHDAD – In the flatlands north of Baghdad sits a prison with no prisoners. It holds something else: a chronicle of U.S. government waste, misguided planning and construction shortcuts costing $40 million and stretching back to the American overseers who replaced Saddam Hussein.
“It’s a bit of a monument in the desert right now because it’s not going to be used as a prison,” said Stuart Bowen, the special inspector general for Iraq reconstruction, whose office plans to release a report Monday detailing the litany of problems at the vacant detention center in Khan Bani Saad.
Speaking of deficit…
Turkish officials link bombings to rebel Kurds
By CHRISTOPHER TORCHIA, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jul 28, 9:31 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_on_re_mi_ea/turkey_explosions;_ylt=ArhqG4DgEOg0DDUslUmXy6qs0NUE
ISTANBUL, Turkey – Turkish officials suggested Monday that Kurdish militants were the main suspects in bomb blasts that killed 17 people in a crowded square, with Turkey’s prime minister saying it could be a reprisal for air raids on guerrilla positions in northern Iraq.
The rebel Kurdistan Worker’s Party, or PKK, immediately denied involvement and attributed Sunday night’s attack to “dark forces,” an apparent reference to hardline Turkish nationalists who allegedly seek to foment chaos in order to strengthen the political influence of the military.
Remember? Two days ago Turkey attacked kurds in Iraq. Violence ALWAYS follows you home.
Iowa town become flash point in immigration debate
By HENRY C. JACKSON, Associated Press Writer
Mon Jul 28, 5:02 AM ET
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080728/ap_on_re_us/immigration_raid_protests;_ylt=Au5FxdSbLOZFeoFRi2.Xrqms0NUE
POSTVILLE, Iowa – As the chants of 1,000 or so people roared near the center of town, Dave Hartley stood on the periphery wearing a look of wonder and bemusement.
The 50-year-old Postville resident said he never expected this sleepy community of about 2,200 to become a flashpoint in the debate over immigration. As a three-hour protest concluded just blocks from his house, he spoke regretfully about what the town had become.
“It’s not their fault,” he said of the protesters. “It just didn’t need to get to this, to a boiling point.”
The results of the Bush cabinet’s heavy handed policy against immigration.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:14 pmthere will be one
less troll visiting
tp from now on.
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good luck.
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July 28th, 2008 at 1:31 pmtombaker at 12:09 pm
The shooting in Knoxville was important enough for Hartmann to lead off with it.
On the deficit: add to all this the 150 billion stimulus that won’t be around next spring when they deduct it from the tax refunds.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:34 pmDrudge is reporting tha columnist Robert Novak is hospitalized with a brain tumor and is suspending his work for a while.
July 28th, 2008 at 1:53 pmHmmm.
Radio host, Ed Schultz is on the rampage today — where in blazes are all the Democrats who should be defending Barack Obama against the scurrilous attacks from McCain.
July 28th, 2008 at 2:24 pmObama said he would’t be swiftboated – and he does reply to these comments – but he doesn’t get nasty. Where are his surrogates who should be willing to take some flak for Obama?
The Dems want to take the WHite House, but they aren’t fighting for it — are they waiting for McCain to just fall over?
Fred Says:
Luis M Says:
Credit where credit is due, Ringo Dingo was right and Bozo was wrong. Carter was president in 1980.
Well then I guess that means you on the right are ready to take credit for the thousands of serious mistakes you have made then, am I correct?
Credit where credit is due……your words.
Me on the right? Not a chance. But I’ve apologized a few times when I made mistakes misquoting people here on TP, and I do think Ringo Dingo deserved an apology for being accused of not knowing the years when Carter was President.
I don’t like it when trolls here move the goal spots when debating someone, but I don’t like it either when regular posters do it to visiting people, be them trolls or rightwingers or whatever. That’s my two cents anyway.
And yeah, I agree, I do think that the right-wingers need to apologize for the thousands of mistakes they have made :) Too bad the “liberal media” won’t go after them.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:00 pmPeople drove 40 billion miles less while gas prices soared? What happened to demand impacting price?
http://stateofthedivision.blogspot.com/2008/07/state-of-market-forces-demand-down.html
Of course this is being spun to benefit private industries efforts to develop U.S. infrastructure:
http://peureport.blogspot.com/2008/07/gas-prices-big-oil-profits-soar-while.html
July 28th, 2008 at 3:35 pmOMG…Love the photo.
July 28th, 2008 at 3:55 pm