Breaking: Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) indicted on seven criminal counts.
By on Jul 29th, 2008 at 1:08 pm
Breaking: Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) indicted on seven criminal counts.
In a few minutes, the Department of Justice will announce that Sen. Ted Stevens (R-AK) has been indicted on seven criminal counts. MSNBC’s Pete Williams reported that Stevens will be charged by the department’s Public Integrity section for making false statements to federal investigators relating to ongoing corruption probes. Watch it:
Last July, the FBI raided Stevens’ house. The senator is being investigated for doling out earmarks to his friends, among other abuses of his public office.
UpdateThe indictment can be found here.
UpdateThe indictment charges Stevens with "falsely reporting hundreds of thousands of dollars in services he received from a company that helped renovate his home. ...From May 1999 to August 2007, prosecutors said Stevens concealed 'his continuing receipt of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of things of value from a private corporation.'"
UpdatePBS has a timeline of the Alaska corruption scandal here.
UpdateProfessing his innocence in a statement, Stevens said, "I have temporarily relinquished my vice-chairmanship and ranking positions until I am absolved of these charges."
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July 29th, 2008 at 1:09 pmNo more republicans!
It's about damn time this started happening. I hope this is the start of a break in the flood gates to get this corruption routed out of our gvt.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:11 pmIf the government can run complex spying programs on the average citizen, they surely can root out systemic abuses in our nation's Capital. It's more than just Ted Stevens, may he pay for his selfish crimes.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:13 pmLock his wrinkled, old, lying ass up. Then lock up the rest of the BFEE, and we'll have a real start at something better.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pmRoot them all out, red or blue. Don't excuse their behavior with "politicians are still politicians".
July 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pmThere may be a Goddess afterall............
July 29th, 2008 at 1:14 pmThis just in... John McCain touts Stevens as a strong candidate for VP.
This just in ... McCain's campaign staff disavows McCain's statement.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pmYes, crippled dick, they can but, waaahhhpublicans have them beat at LEAST by three to one.
http://www.beyonddelay.org/
July 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pmYes, let's all patronize TK's need to divert attention from yet ANOTHER corrupt Republican member of the 110th Congress, and acknowledge that Democrats can be bad too.
It's just that with Democrats, it's more of an individual failing, whereas the Republicans make corruption and graft a plank in the party platform.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pmJust seven????
Damn, I'm disappointed.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:15 pmlet’s not for get that Democrats can be just as corrupt.
Thanks, TrickleDick, for trying to deflect blame, again.
More McCain Points(TM) towards your weekly BigMac.
PEACE
July 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pmLeave it to old dribbledick to come in with the childish 'but...but...he did it too' defense for corruption.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pmOh dear. *What* a tragedy.
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Not!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!
Rot in prison, you corrupt barstid.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:16 pmAnd don't forget the buggery, Ralphie... oh, those GOOPers and their penchant for pubescent buggery...
July 29th, 2008 at 1:17 pmI saw Trippie's link and I said to myself, "Self? What do you want to bet that's a link to a story about William Jefferson?"
Good thing I answered myself with, "No bet."
July 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
"And don’t forget the buggery, Ralphie… oh, those GOOPers and their penchant for pubescent buggery…"
and meth
July 29th, 2008 at 1:18 pmand male hookers
and public MENS rooms in airports
With any luck he'll die in prison.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:19 pmLeftside Annie Says:
I saw Trippie’s link and I said to myself, “Self? What do you want to bet that’s a link to a story about William Jefferson?”
Good thing I answered myself with, “No bet.”
It was a sure thing, Annie. And a two-year-old article at that. I'm surprised he didn't bring up the Teapot Dome Scandal. Oh, wait. That was Republicans.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:20 pmThat's true, TRoS, but I don't think they've had the guts to actually nail that plank into the platform yet. Buggery to them is more along the lines of "drowning government in a bathtub". It's something they all laugh about at fundraisers but don't publicly acknowledge.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:20 pmEXACTLY my point, Bozo...
Ya think them GOOPers would be a little more tolerant of other people's choices, considering just how many of 'em keep gittin' caught w/ their pants down, around their ankles, so to speak...
Thems that live in glass houses...
July 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pmJust desserts for this corrupt pig whose been feeding at the trough wayyyyyy to long...
July 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pmWill be interesting to see if he drops out of the election.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pmYeah, well, at least Spitzer frequented a FEMALE hooker, Trippie.
And really, you Repukes are unparalleled in the corruption department. Don't kid yourself, you moron.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:21 pmIs there a single Republican out there who hasn't been corrupted by greed??? Seriously??
July 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pmsoo....dribbleydick please make the connection for all the nice people between spitzer's prostitution ring and a senator on the take.
bet you can't do it in less than three notes.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
"It’s something they all laugh about at fundraisers but don’t publicly acknowledge..."
_____________
Yet privately can't wait to indulge in...
July 29th, 2008 at 1:22 pmHeeeey. What happened to the video??? It says it's unavailable!!!
July 29th, 2008 at 1:24 pmMost of the Senate electoral maps had Stevens in trouble or behind. This ought to make Senator Stevens just plain old DickHead Stevens, private citizen.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pmWhen convicted by a jury of his peers, he'll be Convict #45678 at the Federal Correction Institute in Karma, NV.
gumm, leftside,
It's sad when you know the Talking Points playbook better than the trolls, isn't it? Clinton did it, too, didn't fit (renting nights in the Lincoln bedroom talking point aside), so it had to be the foil wrapped cash in Jeff's freezer. Let's do everything we can to distract the attention away from how corrupt the "Culture of Corruption" really is.
Teddy, my man - done in by the tubes!!! Sucks to be you, huh?
July 29th, 2008 at 1:25 pm1 down.
10,000 to go.
What do you call 5,000 Republicans in the clink?
A good start.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pmPolitics and CORRUPTION seem to go hand in hand!
*SIGH* OsiSpeaks.com
July 29th, 2008 at 1:26 pmTripleKick 3 Says:
I didn’t defend Steven’s behavior. I hope he gets what he deserves. I simply think its extremely foolish to pretend that corruption is only happening on the “right”. After all, even beyond William Jefferson’s cold cash, this year has been pretty bad for both parties. Look at Spitzer, for example.
You're just trying to deflect attention from Stevens. The post and the thread is about Stevens, not about Spitzer or Duke Cunningham and the only reason to bring up Jefferson is to try to minimize the cesspool of corruption that is Ted Stevens.
And as far as that goes "this year" doesn't include the charges against Jefferson; your linked article is from 2006.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:27 pmDharma Says: "What do you call 5,000 Republicans in the clink?"
If they're all male, and you're lindsey graham, you call it a good time.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:28 pmJefferson & Spitzer V the DOZENS of GOOPers busted, arrested, outted... you name it...
Sorry, T3... no contest. This is the Year of The Disgraced GOOpers!!!
BTW, I don't ever recall ANYONE here defending Jefferson or Spitzer for their respective pecadillos. Elliot got what he deserved. At least he had the decency to resign and fade away, unlike Vitter, or Larry Craig.
As for Jefferson, I recall the Dem leadership asking him to resign and him refusing to. Why did the good folks of LA re-elect him? Gotta ask them.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pmAnd in more relevant breaking news . . .
July 29th, 2008 at 1:29 pmTripleKick 3 Says:
"WAAHHHHHHHHH, don’t start your name calling again. And again, I’m not even a republican, I just play a repuke troll on the internet."
There, I fixed for you. Now run along trolly, mommie has a nice cold juicebox waiting for you upstairs.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:30 pmTripleKick 3 Says: "We trust these people with so much and it sickens me that they take advantage of the people who they work for."
Why the disconnect from holding Bush, Cheney, Rummy, et.al. accountable then?
July 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
If they’re all male, and you’re lindsey graham, you call it a good time.
BWAAAAAAAAA!
How do you get Lindsey Graham, Larry Craig, Mark Foley and Jeff Gannon on a stool?
Turn it over.
How do you get them off?
July 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pmJerk one and they'll all come.
TripleKick 3 Says:
I didn’t defend Steven’s behavior. I hope he gets what he deserves. I simply think its extremely foolish to pretend that corruption is only happening on the “right”. After all, even beyond William Jefferson’s cold cash, this year has been pretty bad for both parties. Look at Spitzer, for example.
that's a nice white flag
you've got there, tk.
did you make it
yourself?
:)
thank you.
#
July 29th, 2008 at 1:31 pmYeah, TK, we just find it curious that you support a party that had four members resign in disgrace in the last Congress and the ones you focus on are William Jefferson (who has been roundly criticized here) and Eliot Spitzer, whose resignation was not the result of public corruption but of private indiscretions having no impact on the discharge of his duties as governor.
Not a word about Tom Delay, or Bob Ney or John Dolittle or Scooter Libby or Claude Allen or Duke Cunningham or Lester Crawford or David Safavian...
In fact, the only corruption you decried was Democratic corruption, when no one here "pretended that corruption is only happening on the right".
Yet it's clear that the Republican disdain for the role of government in American life feeds an attitude that pillaging the treasury is justified. The call for government to be run like a corporation (ultimately, it has been run on the Enron model, unfortunately) has led to a Republican establishment that feels free to plunder public assets and resources for their own gain and the profit of their friends.
Sure, some Democrats fall prey to that temptation. But they have a slightly higher ethical threshold to overcome, because they generally see public service as noble, not as a necessary evil.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pmRight wingers wear corruption like wheels wear tires.
It's just how they roll.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pmOT but dharma, did you see the video on Youtube with grampy mclame and linsey at their press conference outside their sausage hut/fudge factory. ole lindsey was about to start shaking in ecstacy.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:32 pmralph - spot on, dude.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:34 pmSome Republicans are so corrupt that even the Bush Justice Department can't turn a blind eye forever.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:34 pmKool.
There's still enough time for Skippy to pardon him before he leaves office.
Anybody want to bet?
July 29th, 2008 at 1:35 pmSound Progress Says:
It’s been a year since William Jefferson was indicted. I wonder if this case against Stevens will take as long to get to trial.
not if bush
gives him a
pardon.
:)
good luck,
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July 29th, 2008 at 1:36 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
OT but dharma, did you see the video on Youtube with grampy mclame and linsey at their press conference outside their sausage hut/fudge factory. ole lindsey was about to start shaking in ecstacy.
Don't forget their third muskateer, Joe Lieberman!!!
July 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pmcontinuum Says:
Kool.
There’s still enough time for Skippy to pardon him before he leaves office.
Anybody want to bet?
Not unless he makes a large donation to the george dummya bush lie-0-berry relatively soon.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pmI hear Alaska is the only state not in a recession, and is booming economically. Those oil dudes are making bank off the backs of regular folks paying 4 bucks a gallon.
Ol' Ted just couldn't help it. LOL. Time for the Tube-Man to go.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:37 pmlol
the best any of the cowardly trolls can do is drag up the very few democrats that have been involved in corruption
the childish 'but they did it too!' defense
what a bunch of cowardly bed wetting sissies
July 29th, 2008 at 1:38 pmand yet...
July 29th, 2008 at 1:39 pmwhat was Steven's most cherished political goal?
Ted goes to jail and STILL gets what he's been wishing for.
how does that work?
Leftside Annie Says:
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Yeah, well, at least Spitzer frequented a FEMALE hooker, Trippie.
That's what makes it so disgusting to Republicans. They think female hookers are icky. They like their hookers to be male and to sit in the front row of the White House press conference room.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pmTed Stevens is at the top, and you all know what is famous for flowing downhill.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:45 pmNot just ted but his whole family is going to go down and so will some major GOP financiers and fellow GOpers.
The Governor might weather this as she's new on the job and is something of a pragmatist.
Ted's seat was already at risk from the known investigations and so was at least one House seat just from the general GOP hangover.
Alasks's probably going to go wholly "Blue" in November as a result.
Can you imagine how much Republican corruption would have been brought into the daylight in the past couple of years if they didn't have a stacked judicial system in their favor from the top right on down? For starters our Dear Leader and his sidekick the Dick would probably have been impeached/imprisoned long ago and their gang of merrymen would be clogging up the stockades and courts. Also there are all those loyal to Bush State Attorney's General proudly turning blind eyes to local Rightie illegalities. There's also that whole voter caging and balloting fraud. A much longer list indeed.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:46 pmSound Progress Says:
It’s been a year since William Jefferson was indicted. I wonder if this case against Stevens will take as long to get to trial.
What's up with Tom DeLay's trial? (from Wiki)
Current Status of the DeLay indictments
July 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pm
Sound Progress Says:
Gonzo simply forgot to fire this US Attorney. Not all of them are corrupt.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:47 pmTom Delay was indicted on September 28, 2005.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:48 pmAnd we're still waiting.
Big picture, guys.
How does this change the senate mix? Stevens will be resigning soon, and that leaves a big hole in the republican legislative tent. Or, at best he'll be prevented from voting while under indictment.
Joe Leiberman, do you hear footsteps?
July 29th, 2008 at 1:48 pmAlaska is another state of stupid Americans ; supposedly Stevens was running ahead in polling for re-election , prior to today .........
July 29th, 2008 at 1:48 pmSOOOOOOOOO, sound progress please explain for the nice people how the truth is "gay bashing"? Jeff Gannon was/is a whore. Jeff Gannon received a White House press pass with ZERO journalistic credentials.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:48 pmPlease show all your work.
thanks in advance.
ralph the wonder llama Says:
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Sound Progress Says:
But, gee, I thought that the Department of Justice was too political to indict a Republican.
Some Republicans are so corrupt that even the Bush Justice Department can’t turn a blind eye forever.
Hey, it's not the fault of the Justice Department. They have a manpower problem. The sheer volume of corrupt, criminal Republicans is so overwhelming that they can only focus on the most blatant Republican corruption.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:48 pmHe's a reich-winger, he's looking forward to the prison showers.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pmTripleKick simply fails to understand that this goes far beyond a little temptation of individual politicians. The Republican party has an open contempt for the rule of law. It starts with corruption on a far larger scale than seen, for example, in the Clinton administration. It came from the fusion of monied interests and the Republican party. The K street project undermined any moral underpinning that may have been in the party. It codified and internalized a culture of money for access and influence. Why the hell shouldn't Republican legislators sell themselves? It is the very soul of the Republican party.
We saw the same within the administration with the appointment of industry whores to take top poisitions in the agencies responsible for enforcing the laws against industry. Why not take a little money for yourself. The president is a whore, the VP is a whore and the administration is a whore. Remember those scandals in EPA, SBA and HUD where the law is just a piece of toilet paper used to wipe the ass of Republican Politics?
Hey, look at the record of the DoJ. Look at their respect for the law. Hatch Act? Never heard of it. Career civil service? Only if you are not only a Republican but the right sort of Republican whore. Look at the Siegleman case in Alabama. Yes, the Republicans have no respect for the law.
Now, look at the President and his "war on terror" and his justification of torture. Nothing more than a common criminal like Hitler, Stalin or Hussein. So why would you not expect corruption.
The Republican party attempted to create a permanent Republican majority in the same manner as Stalin operated his Communist Party with favoritism and exemption from the law for a small political elite.
Disband the Republican party. It is nothing more than a criminal organization.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:49 pmSound Progress
Trajan not only has to pay for hookers, he has to pay to jerk himself when he's alone.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pmI should have said "at least," instead of "at best."
July 29th, 2008 at 1:50 pmOh, my, Trippie!! Did I hurt your widdle feewings?
Awwwww, I'm so sowwy.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:51 pm.
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NOT. Suck it up, you moronic troll. You know you like it. Why else would you post here, where you're obviously not wanted?
Stevens won't resign. He loves living on the government dole.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pmSound Progress Says:
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Why the gay bashing shoeless? Not very progressive of you.
I wasn't gay bashing. As far as I'm concerned, Bush can have as many gay male prostitute fake reporters as he likes in the front row of the White House press conference room.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:52 pmMan. Ths indictment is going to have to go through a series of TOOBES first.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:53 pmSpitzer and Jefferson, Trippie?
THAT'S ALL YOU GOT, BUD. Give it up. You aren't going to win this one.
Not by a very looooooooooooooooooong shot.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pmMcWars Says:
Stevens won’t resign. He loves living on the government dole.
Problem is, he's damaged goods, and can no longer function to funnel tax boodle to constituents and contributors. I doubt if very many of his good buddies are answering his calls now.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:55 pmAhh yes the ol' "i'm not a Republican" LOL.
In AZ, we all of the sudden have bunches of gun-toting Christian Libertarians and Independents. Heh.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmdribble dick
once again, please make the connection between an elected official TAKING BRIBES and one involved in a prostitution ring.
Why do you insist on trying to sell happy horseshit that no one's buying?
July 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmYou're an idiot.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmTripleKick 3 Says:
ralph,
I’m not a republican. Its not that hard to remember, so please try.
If you didn't spend all your time attacking Democrats and supporting Republicans, that might be a bit more convincing. We're judged by our actions not by the labels we claim for ourselves.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmTripleKick 3 Says:
ralph,
I’m not a republican. Its not that hard to remember, so please try. Anyway, I fully agree that far too many republicans have disgraced themselves recently and clearly their brand has suffered accordingly. But don’t pretend Dems have some higher standard because we both know that’s not true. Spitzer was absolutely corrupt because he was involved with pushing through the anti-trafficking law.
Spitzer didn't profit financially from it. Big difference.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmTK, you can claim anything you want but your posts reveal your character and politics far more clearly than you imagine.
I never said Dems have a higher standard. I said Dems have a higher threshold to overcome, because they don't inherently see government as the enemy, the way Republicans do.
Anyone who wants to obscure the issue can do so by citing individual cases of corruption on both sides and declaring them equal. But anyone who seeks a true picture of the situation might want to look beyond the anecdotal and calculate the sheer numbers of corrupt officials, and the extent of their corruption.
Once that is done, it's pretty clear who comes out on top.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:57 pmExcellently done, Ralph!!! Hear, hear. ;o)
~A
July 29th, 2008 at 1:58 pmAll far reich, GOPig reich-wingers claim they are "not a republican". But, seriously, who would really be caught admitting to that in public in the first place.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pmFurthermore prostitution is still illegal, and we can’t have our elected officials breaking the law, obviously.
What about prostitute toe sucker Dick Morris? He hasn't resigned. Oh by the way: Morris has famously been labeled year after year as one of the biggest tax delinquents in his home state of Connecticut, owing an estimated $280,000 in unpaid taxes.
July 29th, 2008 at 1:59 pmaww, dribbledick is STILL holding on to his 'they did it too!' defense
what a child
July 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pmForTruth Says:
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Ahh yes the ol’ “i’m not a Republican” LOL.
In AZ, we all of the sudden have bunches of gun-toting Christian Libertarians and Independents. Heh.
Strange isn't it. The internet is lousy with so-called "Libertarians", yet you can hardly dig up a Republican these days.
Despite this, come Nov. 4, millions of Republicans will mysteriously turn up at the polls, and Bob Barr will be scratching for a few thousand votes.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pmAs I mentioned, this will be cause for concern for Joe Leiberman, because there will be great pressure from senate republicans (privately, of course), for him to resign before the election, and not add to republicans electoral woes. If Stevens bails, Leiberman is a useless appendage.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pmForTruth Says:
Ahh yes the ol’ “i’m not a Republican” LOL.
In AZ, we all of the sudden have bunches of gun-toting Christian Libertarians and Independents. Heh.
And when they took off the W stickers from their trucks and cars, they didn't remove that circle of old glue the sticker left behind, lol. ( seeing a lot of those here in Texas )
July 29th, 2008 at 2:01 pmTripleKick 3
WE NEVER ASKED FOR YOUR CORRUPT GUIDANCE. LEARN TO STAY AWAY FROM PLACES WHERE YOU'RE NOT WANTED.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pmThanks, Annie
(ralph blushes)
July 29th, 2008 at 2:02 pmWayne Says:
And when they took off the W stickers from their trucks and cars, they didn’t remove that circle of old glue the sticker left behind, lol. ( seeing a lot of those here in Texas )
We should round them up and brand that damn W on their foreheads.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:03 pmWow, only 20 posts before someone mentioned William Jefferson's name.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pmI had the under at 35!
Maybe Chimpy will pre-emptively commute Stevens's sentence after he signs off on Jim D. Adkisson (I mean c'mon, he only shoots libruls). Then they can both recieve their medals from Chimpy on the South Lawn.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pmSo far, Obama's surfing a wave of voter discontent with republican policies and tactics. Stevens' indictment will add to that swell.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:05 pmbarfly
Please, don’t defend Spitzer ok? Just don’t.
You suggested a false equation of the two, and I pointed it out.
Quit whining.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pmI see what the problem is:
dribbledick doesn't like politicians who use FEMALE prostitutes!
MALE ones are ok.
And, as always: IOKIYAR
(dribbledick's claims to the contrary, it's obvious he's a republican supporter)
July 29th, 2008 at 2:08 pmTripleKick 3 Says:
ralph,
I’m not a republican. Its not that hard to remember, so please try.
You are such a liar. Just a freaking liar.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pmTripleKick 3 Says:
barfly
Please, don’t defend Spitzer ok? Just don’t.
what are you going to do about it?
shoot up a church?
*
pathetic.
@
July 29th, 2008 at 2:09 pmSays the reich-winger who spends her entire life defending criminal reich-wing GOPigs.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pmPlease, don’t defend Spitzer ok? Just don’t.
How did Spitzer financially benefit from introducing this legislation? How much did Stevens financially benefit from the dealings he was indicted for?
Please.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:11 pmSo using campaign funds to book hotels for prostitutes isn’t corruption?
Different topic. See my last post.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:12 pmTracy5 Says:
“….and Eliot Spitzer, whose resignation was not the result of public corruption but of private indiscretions having no impact on the discharge of his duties as governor.”
So using campaign funds to book hotels for prostitutes isn’t corruption?
For our Low Information Trolls, this is a post about Stevens and his issues. It is not a post about Lincoln, Washington, Jackson, Bill gates, Howdy Doody, Tricia Nixon, Melba Moore, James Bond, Carrot Top, Steemed Rice, Charmin, etc...
This is a post about Stevens. Is it so hard to try and do the right thing?
July 29th, 2008 at 2:13 pmTripleKick 3
You are a wingnut. You are a troll of premium republican grade. Little whiner you are. You've defended this nazi president of the last eight years, and you're concerned with dropping Spitzer's name on our threads?
I'm going to start flagging.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:14 pmYou must first be under the dilusion that all of the money that politicians wastefully spend at that ego filled whim and call it “serving the public” is a good thing.
With that attitude, it's no wonder you defend incompetents.
Like Pogo, they is you.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pmTracy5 Says:
“For our Low Information Trolls, this is a post about Stevens and his issues.”
Cry me a river.
I am in a particularly foul mood today - please do not provoke me.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:15 pmUmmm... Tracy5's comment about Spitzer using campaign funds to book hotels for prostitutes is misleading. There is nothing in the article that proves this to be true. it is suggested as a possibility, but that's all.
"Again, however, it is unclear whether that assignation matches either of the dates for which Mr. Spitzer billed his campaign."
Sorry, that borders on innuendo.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pmYes!!!! The "internet is like tubes (or was it trucks)" Repugnant Senator from Alaska is finally found out (officially-like)!
About damn time.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:17 pmHow does barfly's "defense" of Spitzer differ in kind from your "non-defense" of Stevens?
Just curious.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:18 pmSound Progress Says:
Hi, P. You're not fooling anyone.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pmTracy5 Says:
“Once that is done, it’s pretty clear who comes out on top.”
You must first be under the dilusion that all of the money that politicians wastefully spend at that ego filled whim and call it “serving the public” is a good thing.
there aren't many trolls out there.
just one little troll.
and he's a really poor speller.
:)
thank you.
@
July 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pmTracy5
Stick with your best of worst of your skill set, being a corporate shill.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pmthe 14 Whitewater convications
July 29th, 2008 at 2:19 pmConvications? A combination of conviction and convocation?
Is this a calling together to celebrate the perversion of the justice system by the religious right?
Um, Tracy, dear? You're quite obviously a LIV. It's "dElusion."
Learn to spell, OK? Sheesh.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:20 pmTracy5 Says:
If we all flag this troll, will he have to switch to Tracy6 next?
July 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pmLets find out, bwahahahahaha.
Um... yeah, since you conveniently missed the part where I said having no impact on the discharge of his duties as governor.
But that's a side issue. I said at the time and still say Spitzer's resignation was the only proper thing for him to do.
What the trolls keep trying to do is minimize this latest in a long string of Republicans under indictment for corruption. The thread is about Ted Stevens, who is up for re-election this year.
This can't help the Republicans in their bid to keep their losses to a minimum.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:22 pmDaryll Says:
Where’s William Jefferson?
Under your bed.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:23 pmDaryll, you're a day late and a dollar short on this thread. Have some dignity, man.
Jeez, it's like watching Willie Mays stumbling in the outfield in a Mets uniform.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:24 pmOooooo, good one, Trace!
I bet that raised the needle on the gigglemeter back at ol' Troll Central, huh?
July 29th, 2008 at 2:25 pmTracy5 Says:
“Stick with your best of worst of your skill set, being a corporate shill.”
And you can stick with yours…being a liberal.
i'll bet all of bill bennett's
casino winnings you don't
really mean that.
:)
July 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pmDaryll Says:
Where’s William Jefferson? I will be sending a message to my Congressman on the status of this investigation. Jefferson has to go!
The subject of the thread is Stevens, idiot.
You can search with "the google" yourself for the status of the Jefferson case. ( hint: hasn't gone to trial yet )
July 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pmlol
right wingers are always ready with the 'they did it too' childish defense
anything to deflect from theiir support of the most corrupt party in the history of the United States
they don't have the intellectual integrity to admit that they have been fooled by fools
July 29th, 2008 at 2:26 pmTracy5 Says:
“Stick with your best of worst of your skill set, being a corporate shill.”
And you can stick with yours…being a liberal.
And if I remember correctly, during this last 7+ years, the liberals or progressives have been proven right about all the major issues facing our country today. ALL OF THEM. So whether you realize it or not, you just gave us all a compliment. I'll thank you on behalf of all the DFH.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pm14 corrupt Democrats. 16 if you count the Clintons who pardoned them.
Google "Reagan administration convictions."
You really want to go there, P?
July 29th, 2008 at 2:27 pmDaryll Says:
Where’s William Jefferson? I will be sending a message to my Congressman on the status of this investigation. Jefferson has to go!
July 29th, 2008 at 2:21 pm
Face it, Darryl. Us vs. Them will do you no good when it's You vs. God.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:28 pmYou do, and we were.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:28 pmYou're not a real troll, are you?
You're a progressive, pretending to be a rally lame troll pretending to be a lame progressive.
You're including a Madison Bank CEO, a Madison appraiser, a real estate broker and a real estate agent among "corrupt Democrats"? Do you even get the concept of "public officials"?
That is some weak-ass shit you're peddling, Twajie. Maybe even weaker than usual.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:29 pmSomeone call whine wun wun, daryll needs a waaambulance
These right wing sissies are so predictable
O, and btw, daryll, your 'god' is fiction.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:30 pmI guess Rep. Jefferson has the same kind of scruples that keep Senator Larry Craig from making good on his promise to resign.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:31 pmThanks, Jim Wilke, for being willing to try the case on a blog and declare Sen. Stevens innocent of all charges.
That certainly saved the taxpayers a bundle, what with dispensing of the need for a trial and thorough examination of all the evidence and all.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:33 pmSo Jim Wilke and Ted Stevens are dating? They do make a ugly couple.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:36 pmtk won't defend teddy
but jimmy will!
funny stuff.
:)
keep trying jimmy.
ted need's all the
friends he can get.
*
good luck.
@
July 29th, 2008 at 2:36 pmParodyll!
July 29th, 2008 at 2:37 pmGet your scrawny faux brown booty over here and give me some sugar!
Tracy5 Says:
"If we all flag this troll, will he have to switch to Tracy6 next?
Lets find out, bwahahahahaha.”
That would fit your obvious support of censorship."
Actually, Tracy, that would show our commitment to clean air and a healthy environment. No one wants to see or smell your shite.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:39 pmI don't know for a fact. Perhaps I should have said "no EVIDENT impact on the discharge of his duties as a governor".
How do you know it didn’t have any impact?
If you have evidence that a prostitution bust affected a single act of Spitzer as governor, please, let us examine it.
Otherwise, let's try to stay on topic, shall we? I realize that without Spitzer and Jefferson, you Republicans and "not-Republicans" have nothing else to say, but the topic of the thread is STILL the long-anticipated indictment of Ted Stevens, Republican Senator from Alaska.
Anything to say on that topic, aside from "they ALL do it"?
July 29th, 2008 at 2:40 pmTed Stevens: So Dirty Even The Bush Administration Had To Indict Him.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:41 pmThe Justice Department has just handed down a grand jury indictment against Republican Senator Ted Stevens (.pdf) consisting of seven felony counts of making false statements. Basically Stevens is being charged for failing to disclose over $250,000 in gifts he received from 1999-2006, as well as improperly favoring fishing legislation that would benefit his son. For more on the specifics, PBS NOW covered the story extensively in November of last year.
Tracy5 Says:
“If we all flag this troll, will he have to switch to Tracy6 next?
Lets find out, bwahahahahaha.”
That would fit your obvious support of censorship.
a strange world she lives in.
her comments are posted and
she cries, "censorship!"
*
good luck.
!
July 29th, 2008 at 2:41 pmRight. Instead let's focus on the troll's assertion that real estate agents are THE EXACT SAME THING as elected public officials abusing the public trust. At least when it comes to grasping for straws in some Democratic corruption dodge.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:43 pmYou go ahead and do that. But you might want to rethink the name of your organization. Jefferson has already been indicted.
But who are you and what have you done with Daryll?
July 29th, 2008 at 2:46 pmTracy5 Says:
“….the liberals or progressives have been proven right about all the major issues facing our country today. ALL OF THEM”
Such as?
prove your own points first
before you ask others to do
the same.
:)
good luck.
@
July 29th, 2008 at 2:47 pmralph, we are talking about a waaahhhhpublican here, they are notoriously 5-10 years behind the times. for example, the seem to think what bill clinton did has ANY bearing on current events eight to 16 years later.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:48 pmLeave it to Jim Wilkie to blindly support his own boy, Teddy Stevens. This guy has been a joke as a crook as long as he (and his crooked son) have been in politics.
But maybe Jim will benefit from his "bridge to nowhere" or all the overt efforts to stifle the environmental cleanup efforts against ARCO and BP on the North Slope.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:50 pmListening to T5 go on and on about Elliot Spitzer, one could almost come to the conclusion that Elliot DIDN'T resign... almost...
July 29th, 2008 at 2:50 pmCry_Havoc Says:
Think:
1. To have or formulate in the mind.
2. a. To reason about or reflect on; ponder:
b. To decide by reasoning, reflection, or pondering
3. To believe; suppose
4. To expect; hope:
Progress:
1. Movement, as toward a goal; advance.
2. Development or growth
3. Steady improvement, as of a society or civilization
—To expect development
—To reflect on the steady improvement of a society
—To believe in growth
Are any of you TP hate mongers living up to your namesake? Not at all. All you do is search for a conservative gaff, or scandal, or scapegoat - and then use that as a jumping off point for spreading your discontent. You don’t juxtapose the incident with a proposal of change, you look at it and go “NYA NA!” That’s not development, that’s childish. When someone comes in with a dissenting view of your hate, you call them names, expounding on your already inflated egos. You don’t talk about change AT ALL. You talk about how you HATE everyone that doesn’t agree with your narrow view of world politic.
You too easily embrace the role of victim as a means of shedding responsibility or asserting your own entitlement. You claim moral superiority over those not so victimized.
Cut the crap. You’re just like Obama. You talk about how the system is wrong, but you offer no means of change except to say “What we currently have is wrong, and everyone is power is corrupt”.
As a nation, lib or con, we long for order, that we are not simply subject to blind impersonal forces that we have no control over. We need to believe that we can shape our individual and collective destinies, WHILE rediscovering the virtues of hard work, personal responsibility, and patriotism.
If you don’t believe in the current establishment, use your voice (you know, the one that was earned in the blood of your ancestors). Use it towards optimism. Use it to find common ground with your neighbor, even with your enemy. Use to extoll the virtue of this great nation, even if you don’t agree with the current leadership.
If you fail this simple, nationalistic call to arms, than you’re no better than the mudslingers that we all despise. You have the responsibility not just to be a good american, but a good human. Don’t let us all down.
BTW ~ Allow someone with actual knowledge to fill you all in - TK is a libertarian, a renounced republican. I’ve argued with him for years as an independent, a reformed democrat. So stop your idiot projecting and start listening. Even though someone is not the same political orientation as you, they may have something interesting to say, if you just listen.
is the letter
you're planning on
leaving behind?
*
July 29th, 2008 at 2:51 pmyes, and Clinton made me do it. Viola! instant republican i guess that means you can forgive any mistake i make right, sound progress?
July 29th, 2008 at 2:53 pmBTW ~ Allow someone with actual knowledge to fill you all in - TK is a libertarian, a renounced republican. I’ve argued with him for years as an independent, a reformed democrat. So stop your idiot projecting and start listening. Even though someone is not the same political orientation as you, they may have something interesting to say, if you just listen.
And you have proven that lots of words don't make you smart.
Sheesh, one idiot troll coming to the defense of another idiot troll. A couple of big time bedwetters, here.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pmJim Wilke:
July 29th, 2008 at 2:54 pmOJ was innocent
Cue the train wreck in 3...2...1...
July 29th, 2008 at 2:55 pmSo the following were not used by you (or whoever compiled the list you cut-and-pasted) to bolster the impression of many corrupt "Democrats"?
Chris Wade: Whitewater real estate broker (multiple loan fraud) Bill Clinton pardoned.
Larry Kuca: Madison real estate agent (multiple loan fraud)
Robert W. Palmer: Madison appraiser (conspiracy). Bill Clinton pardoned.
not to mention:
David Hale: banker, self proclaimed Clinton political supporter: (conspiracy, fraud)
Neal Ainley: Perry County Bank president (embezzled bank funds for Clinton campaign)
John Latham: Madison Bank CEO (bank fraud)
Eugene Fitzhugh: Whitewater defendant (multiple bribery)
Charles Matthews (Whitewater): Whitewater defendant (bribery)
Good to know you stand behind your posts.
July 29th, 2008 at 2:57 pmSo what's the deal. If a corrupt rightie is indicted the bnest response is to look elsewhere for corrupt folks of other ideologies? Seems sort of a weak defense don't you all think? Come on get with the program!
July 29th, 2008 at 3:01 pmYou can always tell the mental age of the arguer when they resort to the "well, he/she also did it" form of debate.
You can hypothetically have a ratio of indictments for Dems to Repubs as 300:1, it still does not take away the fact that Senator Stevens is charged with seven counts of criminal activity.
And repeating the name William Jefferson does not take away the fact that Senator Stevens is charged with seven counts of criminal activity.
And posting as a concern troll acknowledging that non politicians for Clinton were found guilty nearly two decades ago does not take away the fact that Senator Stevens is charged with seven counts of criminal activity.
Two words:
July 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pmGROW
UP
Cry_Havoc Says:
Joe ~ do you ever make a point? or do you just mumble esoteric nonsense all day?
Statrat: you’re just proving my point
Main Entry:
mum·ble
Pronunciation:
\?m?m-b?l\
Function:
verb
Inflected Form(s):
mum·bled; mum·bling \-b(?-)li?\
Etymology:
Middle English momelen, of imitative origin
Date:
14th century
intransitive verb
: to utter words in a low confused indistinct manner : mutter
transitive verb
1 : to utter with a low inarticulate voice
2 : to chew or bite with or as if with toothless gums
cry, something written
can't be mumbled.
*
here's my point for you:
learn, do.
@
good luck.
#
July 29th, 2008 at 3:03 pmBy all means, please offer more distractions to further demonstrate your troll-ness.
And JIm Wilke, I don't recall anyone saying that Stevens had been found guilty. I DO, however, recall you implying that he is innocent. Unfortunately for the Republicans (I forget -- are you a Republican? Or are you one of those "not Republicans? It's so hard to keep track of you guys)... anyway, unfortunately for the Republicans, an indictment of a sitting Republican Senator, but the Bush DoJ, isn't likely to help the Republicans retain that seat in November, is it?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:04 pmTracy5 Says:
"That Spitzer was corrupt and that his sex scandal was not just an error in personal judgement? Done."
Imagine that, Tracy knows more than the imaginary judge in Spitzer's imaginary trial. Go figure.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pmWow. That was easy.
I had no idea that to prove one's point, all one had to do was declare one's point proven.
This debate stuff just got a whole lot easier!
July 29th, 2008 at 3:05 pmCry_Havoc:
July 29th, 2008 at 3:06 pmSorry what is it exactly that you seem to be whining about?
Y'know, C_H, I think the phrase "useless cog in the machine of hate that you have helped fester here" tells us about all we need to know about your personal politics.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Wow. That was easy.
I had no idea that to prove one’s point, all one had to do was declare one’s point proven.
This debate stuff just got a whole lot easier!
It's working on the Russia thread as well. The troll simply announced that he was right, everyone else was wrong, and anyone who disagreed with him was just too stupid to follow along.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:07 pmCry_Havoc Says:
"TK and I had a friend like you growing up"
Well, dbadass, I think that one statement sums it up, he's been surrounded by retards all his life.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pmCry_Havoc:
July 29th, 2008 at 3:10 pmWhere do you stand on "actual" issues?
I wonder if Sen. Stevens will call for "quick justice" and a quick trial date, or try and push it until well past the election?
I guess it all depends on if he sees his chances at acquital being better than being found guilty!
July 29th, 2008 at 3:11 pmStat Rat, you have no actual, factual knowledge of my own personal politics, my intelligence, nor the control of my bladder at night. You don’t make a reasonable point, but shift into more name calling and evil rhetoric.
You are what you write. I can't help it if you continue to appear confused and illiterate. You should blame homeschooling, not me.
BTW, who are you, anyway? Aren't you due back in juvenile hall pretty soon? The class monitor is gonna be pissed. better hurry.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:12 pmYour meager contributions to this forum don't make me want to know anything about your personal stand on the issues. Your description of TP as a "machine of hate" lines up pretty well with the attitudes of such luminaries as Bill O'Reilly and Rush Limbaugh and, since it's not very well aligned with the reality-based universe, one could fairly conclude that the rest of one's opinions are valued on the same exchange rate.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:16 pmCry_Havoc Says:
"last I checked, that was in line with a majority of the US population."
Were you home skooled? in what universe is 22% the "majority"?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:17 pmOkay Cry_Havoc but I note that you have elected to employ the word "actual" as a caveat so before you argue that any one I pick doesn't fit your "actual" agenda, why don't you clarify that?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:18 pmTracy5fingers Says:
Well you have to annunciate to people like Cantwell sometimes. BTW Spitzer was corrupt.
Wow.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pmralph the wonder llama is correct.
This debate stuff is pretty easy. Just look at T5f's rebuttal that I highlighted.
So when T5f is not hanging with his "black" friends, or making a small fortune as an architect, does he avoid speeding tickets my explaining to the police officer "I wasn't speeding. Period. End of discussion."?
Interesting that T5 says:
and then in the next breath posts:
Pathetic, Trace. Just pathetic.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:19 pmCry_Havoc Says:
grrr… short sighted
With all that hate, don't you have a church to shoot up? I bet you have all those same books in your library too.
The right side is becoming an extinct species. It is now up to historians or archeologists to try and understand it.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:20 pmCry_Havoc Says:
Stat, if I appear “confused” or “illiterate”, it’s because your weak mind is to small to grasp what I’m saying.
Perhaps you appear "confused" and "illiterate" since you don't know when to use the preposition "to" as oppossed to the adverb "too"?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pmCry_Havoc Says:
Another idiot flavor aid drinker…
you have no idea who I am, nor who my friends are (except TK, as I have offered) - either presently, or in the past. And to call them retards is short sided on your part. To call people that you don’t know “retards” proves my point about this being a hate site, instead of progressive.
Well that helps clarify things for me. Cry_Havoc is our old "friend", Mr Pee, and TK is CT or whatever he used to call himself.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:22 pmI did already. What is your real agenda here?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:25 pmCry_Havoc Says:
Stat, if I appear “confused” or “illiterate”, it’s because your weak mind is to small to grasp what I’m saying. I guess it is human nature to hate that which you don’t understand… If I was religious I might have to pray for you.
pathetic
I'll say it again - You are what you write.
The opinions we have of you don't come from our words, they all come from your words. Your words determine our opinions of what you stand for and what political positions you will defend. If you mix and match varying episodes in US government - which have taken place sometimes DECADES ago - then you should expect some pushback as this thread is about one man in particular. Your attempts to bring in ancient history as a retort to our words makes it seem as though you cannot stand toe to toe with us on the topic of this thread.
Let's keep the topic of the thread pure and moving forward.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:29 pmCry_Havoc (and then for a Wahhhhhhmbulance) says:
All I’ve asked today is that you stop the name calling and mudslinging.
Which was preceded by this little gem:
Another idiot flavor aid drinker…
No, actually, you started the mudslinging by calling us "haters" and "idiots".
July 29th, 2008 at 3:31 pmBut as usual, when we sling back, you play the victim.
Poor poor poor poor Mr. Concern Troll!
StratRat, I just think it's funny (and quite revealing) that C_H thinks that your mind is "weak" and "to small grasp" what he's saying.
Talk about a perception problem.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:32 pmmaybe you might try a different approach "fool". See otherwise I will be once again forced to call bullshit. Go back reread and ask yourself am I fostering the dialogue I claim to seek.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:33 pmCry_Havoc Says:
"My goal now, is to get to break the chain of verbal violence and get these fools to see that there are both wrongs and rights on both sides.
Wow, you must been working on your badge for hypocracy..."breaking the chain of verbal violence" by calling people "fools"
I agree with stratrat, you are pathetic.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pmAnother way you can tell a posters mental age is when, after they fail to debate a particular topic well, add that it was only a distraction, to which we easily fell for.
Pathetic.
Two words:
July 29th, 2008 at 3:35 pmGrow
Up
Bozo The Neoclown Says:
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Cry_Havoc Says:
“last I checked, that was in line with a majority of the US population.”
Were you home skooled? in what universe is 22% the “majority”?
On Bushworld.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:38 pmCry_Havoc and for a Wahhhmbulance Says:
My real agenda is to discuss topics in an open, intelligent forum. As I do tend to be slightly conservative, I asked around for a liberal site that would give me another viewpoint, and TP was suggested. Unfortunately, since I’ve been here, I’ve seen very little intellectual, open discussion. All I’ve seen is the community jump on and verbally pummel anyone with a dissenting viewpoint.
Yet he started posting with this gem:
Are any of you TP hate mongers living up to your namesake? Not at all.
Yes, that's a great way to start an "intellectual, open discussion, now isn't it?
Two Words:
July 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pmGROW
UP
And calling us "hate mongers" right off the bat is a great way to do that.
Really? Who would ever have guessed. You hide it so well with your anti-hate-monger rhetoric.
Perhaps if the opposing viewpoints were presented with a little intelligence and a little less obvious attempts at distraction, such a discussion could flourish.
We do have such discussions here sometimes, but the conservatives who take part in those offer respectful, thoughtful opinions and consider what we have to say without the name-calling you say you despise, when you're not indulging in it yourself.
And in true right-wing fashion, C_H proposes to "break the chain of verbal violence" by engaging in it -- but for a righteous cause.
I admire the sentiment, but I don't think you're capable of it. At least, not if your current output here is an indication (and it usually is).
July 29th, 2008 at 3:39 pmSee now I have to call bullshit because that is just more of the same nonsense masked in some sort of pretend awareness. When an individual truly recognizes a mistake they don't continue to project their mistake onto others in the guise of I may have been wrong but it is because of them. I have no use for the likes of those types of folk. I call BULLSHIT upon thee.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pmYep. All you have to do is offer yourself up as a sacrificial fool, and your buddy Innertubes Ted is safe as a kitten.
of course, why one would expose oneself as a blithering, hypocritical idiot for the sake of a corrupt Senator thousands of miles away is a bit of a puzzle. but it's apparently worth it for Tracy.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:41 pmDRxJ,
July 29th, 2008 at 3:42 pmTracy once told me his age is 35. That puts his formative years squarely in the 80's. He is a Reagan brat, so he never matured.
Tracy-another thumbsucking bedwetter who can dish but, can't take.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pmThat's right. We don't tolerate idiocy or bullshit very well.
It's a character flaw, I guess.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:43 pmTracy5fingers Says:
That is because liberals claim to be tolerant…but they aren’t.
Whoops, another talking point spoon feed to the uneducated listener.
Jeebuz, did we learn nothing from the Tenn church shootings?
Oh, my bad. I just adhered to T5f self proclaimed amusement of distraction.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:44 pmwho here other than myself thinks tracy and cry are the same person and they are sitting here having an in depth discussion about liberals with themselves?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pmHow can you be so sure?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:45 pmTracy5 Says:
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“All I’ve seen is the community jump on and verbally pummel anyone with a dissenting viewpoint.”
That is because liberals claim to be tolerant…but they aren’t.
Who ever said liberals are tolerant of lies and propaganda? We don't understand your tolerance for that BS.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:46 pmCry_Havoc Says:
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and, btw, what other point does this thread pose than a few republican senators were caught with their hand in the cookie jar.
i don’t think anyone is going to say what they did was right, so all that this thread is really for is to talk bad about republicans, and cry out about how everything the right does is corrupt.
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July 29th, 2008 at 3:47 pmIf so why not just split?
apparently, cry_havoc seems to think it's perfectly o.k. for elected officials who are elected BY THE PEOPLE TO REPRESENT THE PEOPLE whore out their votes by taking graft from corporations
July 29th, 2008 at 3:48 pmCry_Havoc Says:
They are, as long as you agree with them…
Funny, I was going to say the very same thing. :)
Also Cry_Havoc @216. I appreciate your sentiments and I went too far in my energy level in responding to some of your posts. That was not right, and we all can probably benefit by checking our emotions at the door. You probably deserved better than what I threw at you.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:49 pm#237,
July 29th, 2008 at 3:50 pmI think that is a plank in the Republican party platform.
Ah the mistake of the individual that is so confident as to think they are the one being spoken to
July 29th, 2008 at 3:51 pm239
July 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pmI could care less as I you have yet to show that I you are any challenge
Cry_Havoc for a Wahhhhmbulance Says:
Why not split? You would like that wouldn’t you? It’s nice and comfortable when no one disagrees with you, when you’re not challenged and actually forced to think.
Well, so far, you've offered nothing challenging and thought provoking, but I will give you partial credit for being an opposer, albeit not an intelligent one.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:52 pmmethinks cry_havoc is on the verge of a nervous breakdown.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:53 pmFirst, the little troll complains about how bored it is on this thread. Then, when someone suggests the little troll dips out since it's sooo unhappy, it goes all sybil on our asses about how that would "make us happy"
Ah, but there you're wrong. It's boring when everyone agrees.
We'd much prefer to par with intelligent dissenting voices. But in the absence of those voices, we'll content ourselves with beating on you and TK.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:54 pmCry_Havoc for a whaaaaamublance Says:
Bozo - like Clinton didn’t do it, or any slew of other Democrats.
Clinton didn't do what?
And please name these "slew of Democrats".
Are is that too thought provoking and challenging for you?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:55 pmHey everybody. Did you hear that Ted Stevens got indicted today?
OT: Big earthquake in Los Angeles this morning. 5.4 or something like that. Big booooom!
July 29th, 2008 at 3:56 pmTracy5:
"Considering the ONLY reason for TP to have this Steven’s corruption issue as a topic for discussion is have an “I agree” blurb fest"
Might you substantiate this declaritive or is this just an opinion?
July 29th, 2008 at 3:57 pmStratRat Says:
OT: Big earthquake in Los Angeles this morning. 5.4 or something like that. Big booooom!
Oh dear.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:57 pmWhere's parodyll to hold me during the rapture?
Unlike many of your colleagues on the Right, we prefer to stay informed.
I'll never understand why elements on the Right make such a virtue out of ignorance.
July 29th, 2008 at 3:59 pmNO NO NO NO Mr.wahhhhhhmulance.
I just asked you two questions about what Clinton didn't do, and the names of the slews of Democrats.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:00 pmEasy enough, I thought.
You can't just turn around and ask another question. Not in a normal debate.
But then again, everything you've posted is not normal. Far from it, in fact.
Tracy5:
July 29th, 2008 at 4:02 pmWhereas you seem to be implying that Senator Obama is presening lies and propaganda might you be so kinds as to be more specific? Thanks
Cry_Havoc:
July 29th, 2008 at 4:04 pmDid you want to get back to some sort of focused discussion? It seems you just wanna play a left right game. A game I might add in which you seem to have a less than objective view
Need I go on? It just proves that there is corruption on both sides of the line. It’s up to us whether we feed into it, or try to change it.
We certainly agree on this....
July 29th, 2008 at 4:04 pmTo bad the real bad guy's haven't been charged, impeached and jailed yet...Peace, Blessings and Justice.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pmEdward Moore Kennedy, James McGreevey, Eliot Spitzer? Yes, troll, you need to go on...and explain how these three examples you "provided" are on the same par with a senator whoring out his votes to corporate interests.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pmCry_Havoc~ when Spitzer broke TP had three days of threads on the issue... no one complained that that was unfair mud-slinging at the time.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:05 pmlet slip the dogs of bore...
Smoking is a miserable habit. I advise checking that behavior as it is a real detriment to your health and a strain on a piss poor healthcare system.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pmYou're wrong. I tolerate and even appreciate regulars like Keltoi and backup (most of the time) who are contrary voices. But they approach topics with some curiosity and interest in what I think, as opposed to trolls like you and TK and C_H, who approach everything combatively.
Whenever any of you trolls let out a plaintive cry for "civility" or "intelligent, open discussion" it always rings false because that's not what you're here for. if it were, you'd approach every topic differently than you do.
And your sad whine of "you don't tolerate me because I disagree with you" is pure crap.
Speaking personally, I don't tolerate you because of the WAY you disagree -- dishonestly, cowardly, and irrationally. That makes you a target around here, and rightfully so. Y'know, one doesn't need to tolerate EVERYTHING, good or bad, in order to be "tolerant". That's the kind of stupid short-circuited reasoning that trolls tend to cling to.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:06 pmI am becoming a little concerned about the llama.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:11 pmC_H, that is a really sad list of Democratic corruption you got there. I presume that's the Greatest hits there, right?
Let's examine it:
You have to go back 40 years to include Chappaquiddick.
You go back a dozen years to include Democratic fundraising scandals.
You have to go down a generation to cite the SON of newly-elected Congresswoman (no date given, but it is in fact 2004).
And you include the conviction of Don Siegelman in Alabama -- see, this is where staying informed might have worked in your favor. Siegelman has been released pending appeal after massive evidence of improper prosecution and politicization of the case by the Bush DoJ.
Frankly, you would have served your case better by simply repeating vague insistences that "Democrats are just as bad".
July 29th, 2008 at 4:13 pmWhy's that, db? Am I indulging the trolls too much?
It's a bad habit, I know.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:15 pmWow.
A son of a Democrat slashing tires is equivalent to a Republican "whoring out votes for corporate interests", as is a former gay Democrat who was NEVER found guilty of sexual harassment.
Interesting "slew of Democrats" you got there. And I'm not sure who has the list, I think it's Democrat Soldier, but you'll be amazed once you read it about the ratio of Repubs to Dems corruption.
Okay, enjoy filling your lungs with carcinogens and tar!
July 29th, 2008 at 4:16 pmCry, Tracy, What are your visions of the future, what you wish for, what you think will happen? BTW, Cry, I hope you had a highly enjoyable smoke break.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:17 pmTripleKick 3, Please tell me your vision(s) of the future.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:20 pmralph the wonder llama:
Just messing with you my friend. Killing em with kindness is the best way. Keep up the good work as I have to get to mine...
best-
July 29th, 2008 at 4:21 pmTK, you misunderstand the term "tolerance" but that's to be expected. You misunderstand a lot of concepts, including "off topic".
Thanks for introducing that link to an article on a single incident as evidence of the widespread lack of tolerance among the "left".
Very convincing.
And by your same standard of logic, we've all seen how the right tolerates liberal ideas, huh? They kill people in church.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:21 pmWasn't that incident used to equate the White-House-involved phone-jamming incident in New Hampshire that same election? That one brought federal charges to a bunch of Republican operatives, as I recall.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:23 pmStevens just resigned from two committees. As I said, Joe Leiberman might have cause to worry...
July 29th, 2008 at 4:23 pmTracy5 Says:
“Might you substantiate this declaritive or is this just an opinion?”
Scan thru this thread and you will see that there are basically three types of posts. A. Those who say “I agree with the Steven’s indictment” and B. Those who point out the hypocrisy on the left and C. Those who complain about those who brought up the hypocrisy.
I'm not in any of those categories.
Try again.
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July 29th, 2008 at 4:27 pmAh but you make a mistake by suggesting that those at TP who posted this control what commenters say. Your argument was to the purpose of the thread. Arguing that your declaritive might be substantaited by responses to the thread puts the cart before the horse and shows a lack of higher level thinking
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July 29th, 2008 at 4:29 pmYou continue to make wrong assumptions when you select a brush which lacks a fine tip
Yeah we have a couple, but most of them are trolls or "fake progressive" trolls.
The point is, Trace, this thread is here because news broke and TP wanted to keep us informed. They offer these forums for us to comment and discuss. They didn't force anyone to comment. It's not their fault that some people enjoy the prospect of watching the "Permanent Republican Majority" go down in flames, nor is it their fault that some posters chose to deal with the news by distracting from it with (really lame) crap about corrupt Democrats.
Your original comment was "the ONLY reason for TP to have this Steven’s corruption issue as a topic for discussion is have an “I agree” blurb fest" and I pointed out that, no, the reason this is here is because it is news -- news that will affect the coming election and probably the future of the nation in some small way.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:31 pmBack to Stevens. Tripplekick, do you think the power balance in the Senate will shift before the election, since it looks like Stevens will step down before November? We've heard no spokespersons for Stevens, declaring his innocence. Why?
July 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pmOkay, dbadass -- you said basically the same thing I said, only in far fewer words.
I hate you.
Omigod! This IS a "hate site"!
July 29th, 2008 at 4:32 pmdbadass Says:
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Tracy5:
Whereas you seem to be implying that Senator Obama is presenting lies and propaganda might you be so kinds as to be more specific? Thanks
You should know by now that Tracist has nothing. Tracist has a mysterious reason for his opposition to Barack Obama sitting in the Oval Office. But he never shares it with anyone.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:36 pmHussein McCain Says:
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TripleKick 3, Please tell me your vision(s) of the future.
Oh, I know that one. It is the same vision of the future shared by all authoritarian, right-wing, extremists.
"If you want a picture of the future, imagine a boot stamping on a human face - for ever."
July 29th, 2008 at 4:40 pmStevens just resigned from the Commerce and Appropriations subcommittees, where he was ranking member.
How about that Stevens, eh guys?
July 29th, 2008 at 4:43 pmtracy5
tracy4
wants her dna back.
:)
good luck.
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July 29th, 2008 at 4:43 pmCry_Havoc Says:
you know what, screw it.
screw what?
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July 29th, 2008 at 4:45 pmbarfly Says:
Stevens just resigned from the Commerce and Appropriations subcommittees, where he was ranking member.
But but but but, a son of a Democrat slashed some Republican tires 4 years ago.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:47 pmPlease barfly, stay on topic. (snark)
Bullshit. The only reason you have any interest in the way I think is to figure out how you can attack it.
on the McNabb tread this morning, you posted a comment that was nearly verbatim a statement on wikipedia, yet you you passed it off as your own. Unless you wrote that article on wikipedia, that was dishonest.
Cowardly -- trying to obscure the indictment of a sitting Republican Senator by attempting distraction is cowardly. Discuss the topic or STFU.
Irrationality -- I can just cite almost every post you've ever made as evidence of that. But for one example, the article you just linked to, describing a single act of university student protest, as evidence of the "intolerance of the left". That is no more rational than my follow-up of citing the Knoxville church shooter as evidence of the violence of the Right.
I'd be surprised if you demonstrated a clear understanding of the difference between a fact and an opinion.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:48 pmI just think it mighty strange that Stevens, nor a surrogate, has come forward to claim his innocence. That's big. It means something's going on behind the scenes, some thing with the potential to rebalance the power formula in the senate. I think he's getting ready ro resign, since we've heard nothing from him.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pmTracy5 Says:
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“Might you substantiate this declaritive or is this just an opinion?”
Scan thru this thread and you will see that there are basically three types of posts. A. Those who say “I agree with the Steven’s indictment” and B. Those who point out the hypocrisy on the left and C. Those who complain about those who brought up the hypocrisy.
Oh, poor stupid Tracy, you forgot:
D - Use the hypocrisy 'excuse' to ignore culture of corruption exhibited by Republicans
E - Ignore that Democrats are happy to bring down corrupt politicians - except when they were framed and railroaded by Karl Rove as happened in Alabama
F - Deflect from the fact that one of the GOP MORAL SENIOR SENATORS is a complete crook and fraud by 'excusing' it through the lame 'hypocrisy' excuse.
G - Whine about Liberals and point the fingers elsewhere when consistently the GOP is found to be natural born criminals even when the GOP runs the justice department...
So tell me Tracy5, are you ASHAMED of Stevens? Because by all measures his values are the GOP values, and so are yours based on your willigness to EXCUSE him for his crimes...
July 29th, 2008 at 4:49 pmOh, and T5, can you explain what "INITIAL insult" you were referring to in your link?
I made a statement of Obama's, you asked me where Obama made that statement, and I humored your lack of initiative, and provided you with quotes and links. I included some gentle chiding, but no name-calling, no insults.
And I proved my point with facts.
Your response, as I recall, was to criticize the interpretation of one of the quotes and to ignore the other. A decent argument in a debate would have taken into consideration the totality of my point, and refute it. You only took on what you saw as the easy part, and you didn't do a very good job on that one anyway. So maybe it's best that you just ignored the rest as if it wasn't there.
July 29th, 2008 at 4:55 pmTracy5 Says:
“All I’ve seen is the community jump on and verbally pummel anyone with a dissenting viewpoint.”
No, not just "dissenting viewpoints", but those put forward based upon LIES and INNUENDO.
That is how you RapeTards operate. Like Rush, O'Dildo, Bush, Rove, Cheney, etc. One LIE after another, followed by TREASON.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:12 pmThis thread has as many trolls as the worst days of P and CT when all the progressives left. This thread isn't about Obam T5, and it's not an open thread and you don't run the site. If you don't like the topic then STFU and get the hell out of here. We're not here to amuse you.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:43 pmI would prefer him spilling his guts to prison. There's a whole mountain of dirt here and he knows much of what's buried in it.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:44 pmThere's a strong suspicion that two of the trolls infecting this thread ARE P and C**T.
Not sure about that, as the one who would be C**T hasn't been abusive enough yet to be convincing.
July 29th, 2008 at 5:49 pmSince he had nothing real, Tracist just made up a bunch of supposed lies by the black man who is running for President. Tracist, tell the truth. Why do you hate the black man running for President?
July 29th, 2008 at 5:53 pmTrace, you really don't get it.
You say:
I have an interest in the way you think SPECIFICALLY because I disagree with your talking points and liberal positions.
When I have an interest in the way someone thinks, I usually ask them questions about how they arrived at their conclusions. I engage them in discussion. In short, I SHOW interest. I don't say "That’s you BS opinion".
Your words show you to be a liar.
The dishonesty was presenting someone else's words as your own. You of course ignored the counter-argument that wikipedia offered, but you didn't give anyone an easy opportunity to evaluate both sides.
You didn't point out any "hypocrisy". You pointed out that scattered Democrats have run afoul of ethical situations and occasionally the law. That has nothing to do with Ted Stevens getting indictment. There is no "hypocrisy" there. If someone had said Democrats are perfect, you would have a case for hypocrisy. But no one did. Rather than face up to a Republican Senator getting indicted, you went immediately for the "but they do it too" distraction. that's cowardly.
And yes, that is my opinion, BS or not.
The article I was referring to was an error. I attributed it to you when it was actually offered by Tk. My apologies.
But as an answer for your question "If you think it wasn’t rational then why did you cite it?" it's a little sad that I have to explain it, but I used it as an example of an irrational argument whose irrationality you might appreciate.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:15 pmTrace, you said INITIAL insult. You even capitalized INITIAL like that. That sounded to me like I started off insulting you.
I didn't. I offered you links that you demanded, things that you could have found yourself to answer the question you had, but you didn't. This tells me it wasn't the information that you sought -- you figured you could trap me in a sloppy comment.
The links I and others offered you were pretty solid evidence that Obama had said essentially what I characterized him as saying, yet you chose to come back and parse words in a not-very-convincing attempt to prove me wrong.
This I found stupid.
Yes, my opinion, BS or not.
You did not refute the NYT quote. On this we agree. Yet the dispute was whether Obama had said something along the lines of the "conditions on the ground" caveat that you guys love so much. The NYT quote should have been enough to demonstrate this, especially since you did not dispute it. Thus the Bloomberg quote, and your tortured parsing, was irrelevant. Hence my characterization of it as "stupid".
Your continued focus on an irrelevant wording dispute when my point had already been demonstrated -- this is the kind of behavior that tells me you don't give a shit about how I think except for devising a strategy to attack it.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:43 pmIsn't corruption in a time of war treason?
Hmmm, sure sounds like it to me.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:48 pmYay! More wasteful spending! The Repubs are notorious for that. What a zoo.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:49 pmYes Jim, they will have to prove that he's guilty... I'm a big fan of free and fair trials, I think Stevens deserves one, and I can think of a few others that deserve a trial as well.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:50 pmThe DOJ thinks they can prove he's guilty- that's why they've indicted him.
The indictment is news, that's why there's a thread.
Well, Jim Wilke, if the facts of the case are as you describe them, then Sen. Stevens doesn't have a thing to worry about.
It's just odd that a Justice Department well-known for its "heavy preference" for prosecuting Democrats should bring such a case against a powerful Republican senator in the middle of a reelection campaign.
But I'm sure he has nothing to worry about. It's all a big misunderstanding.
Jim says so.
July 29th, 2008 at 6:59 pmWhat a great example of "Republican-style" government:
Nothing but greed for one, and the middle finger to us all.
July 29th, 2008 at 7:06 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Well, Jim Wilke, if the facts of the case are as you describe them, then Sen. Stevens doesn’t have a thing to worry about.
It’s just odd that a Justice Department well-known for its “heavy preference” for prosecuting Democrats should bring such a case against a powerful Republican senator in the middle of a reelection campaign.
We had a troll here some months ago (probably still around) that claimed the Bush Justice Department was persecuting some Republican because they were "obviously" run by Liberals. Boinnnnnng.
Bound to show up and make the same claim about Ted.
July 29th, 2008 at 7:07 pmT5 = paid per post.
July 29th, 2008 at 7:15 pmT5 = banished... I eagerly await the arrival of T6!
July 29th, 2008 at 7:42 pmWow,
When PBS writes articles about a person, that person knows they are truly screwed!
Rep. Ted Stevens (Alaska)sponsored "The Bridge To Nowhere".
Yet that's not what screwed him.
The indictment charges Stevens with "falsely reporting hundreds of thousands of dollars in services he received from a company that helped renovate his home.
From May 1999 to August 2007, prosecutors said Stevens concealed 'his continuing receipt of hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of things of value from a private corporation.'"
The senator is being investigated for doling out earmarks to his friends, among other abuses of his public office.
Finally, Bushco is being indicted.
Troubled
July 29th, 2008 at 7:50 pmPerhaps this has been noted in a previous post or three....
Stevens said, "I have temporarily relinquished my vice-chairmanship and ranking positions until I am absolved of these charges."
This is exactly what Tom DeLay said.
July 29th, 2008 at 7:53 pmTom, Tom DeLay, remember him?
Wonder when his trial comes up.....
I have never knowingly submitted a false disclosure form required by law as a U.S. Senator.
So that's what took so long: he was trying to find the right weasel words.
Never knowingly -- right.
July 29th, 2008 at 8:17 pmJim Wilke Says:
barfly, Stevens response was issued within minutes of his indictment.
And I would question the timing - I don’t believe a sitting Congressman has ever been charged with so little time left before an election.
Meaning what? Mukasey's responsible, so if there are any shenanigans, it's by his ok.
Link?
His senate site doesn't give the time the release was made.
July 29th, 2008 at 10:30 pmJim Wilke Says:
barfly, Stevens response was issued within minutes of his indictment.
And I would question the timing - I don’t believe a sitting Congressman has ever been charged with so little time left before an election.
Maybe. But Don Siegelman, with the "help" of Karl Rove, was marched out in an ORANGE JUMPSUIT and SHACKLES, which I don't
believe has EVER happened to a person of the rank of Governor of a state.
So, some cheese to go with your WHIIINE?
Stevens will get a FAIR TRIAL, which is more than Siegelman got, according to over 50 US Attorneys or ALL political stripes.
Rove is NEXT, and big Bubba needs a new PLAYMATE in prison...
July 29th, 2008 at 10:31 pmAgain, Jim Wilke, if the facts of the case as you understand them, then Ted Stevens has nothing to worry about.
Still, I find it puzzling that the DoJ would bring an indictment in a case that was so easily dismantled. I mean, even a simple commenter on a progressive blog can reduce it to dust with his evidence.
July 29th, 2008 at 11:05 pmJim Wilke knows everything about everything. Apparently he taught the Wright Brothers how to fly.
July 30th, 2008 at 12:37 amWell, Shayne, he knows"several" of the 667,000 people in Alaska.
That's gotta count for something.
He seems awfully concerned that we at TP know what he sees as the truth. Not sure why that is, but he sure is putting a lot of energy into the effort.
You'd think that if he were as confident of Stevens' innocence as he claims to be, he wouldn't be trying so hard to convince us (and himself).
July 30th, 2008 at 12:46 amHi Jim
July 30th, 2008 at 2:58 amI am interested in truth, justice and the American way. And before anyone asks, no, I don’t work for Ted Stevens
I was gonna ask if you worked for Superman...
July 30th, 2008 at 3:30 amI too am interested in truth and justice, that's why I will be watching this trial (and those to follow) closely.
It's our duty as citizens of a republic to hold our elected officials accountable for their actions... that's the American way- glad to hear you're on board, Jim!
It seems Stevens is in electoral trouble, as well:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/29/AR2008072902227.html?hpid=topnews
The longer he stays, the more damage he does to republicans' chances in Nov..
While Alaska hasn't voted a dem into the senate since the '60's, Alaskan voters will be faced with the possibility of being kicked away from the pork trough for six years, should they elect a republican to his seat, and the senate goes to a 60+ democratic majority.
Tough choice.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:30 amJim Wilke Says:
And this bridge has huge support in Anchorage - the bridge would reach from Anchorage across Cook Inlet and is badly needed.
Jim, why are you for big government spending?
July 30th, 2008 at 10:46 amJim Wilke Says:
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This state is 21% the size of the rest of the US and the infrastructure needed is sadly lacking. Roads, schools, airports, hospitals, we are hundreds of years behind the rest of the country.
The port needs to be expanded and that can only come from “big government spending.”
Jim, why do you love socialism?
July 30th, 2008 at 11:20 amJim Wilke Says:
The port needs to be expanded and that can only come from “big government spending.”
Why? If there is financial incentive, private enterprise could do the job. And if the payoff isn't enough, perhaps local government could sweeten the deal, with tax incentives.
July 30th, 2008 at 1:30 pmSuddenly Alaska isn't full of rock-ribbed conservatives, who despise government handouts, because they come at too high a cost?