Upon what evidence do you rest your conclusion? How is Russia’s position in relation to global influence adversarial compared to every other nation? How is Russia’s supposed adversarial position relevant to this discussion?

If anything, the story helps McCain for those who are informed on the Russia issue.

What is this “Russia issue” to which you refer? Since you offer no citations nor links to support your assertions, are we to resort to Rune-casting to divine your meanings?

For all I know, you could be talking about Russia’s eligibility for joining the European Union. Should Russia be admitted to the EU, Russia would certainly stand to benefit economically.

And there you have it folks. Have many more leaders and diplomats that Grandpappy McCain is going pissed off?

I don’t want to be the “nice guy”…I want to be the “fact guy”. I want hammer those bastards with the cold, unadulterated FACTS about where we are today, and where we’re headed. I don’t want to bring up John McCain’s POW experience, except to point out, as starkly as possible, that he is now flip-flopping and willing to subject detainees to the same torture he endured while in that hell-hole. Ask him to explain why we should be allowing these techniques to extract information that he himself said, from his own experience, is UNRELIABLE. Mr. McCain, why should we continue to allow this practice, when even the military tribunals are disallowing the resulting testimony from the prosecutions of the detainees?
I want to go after these clowns with their own words. Make them defend the indefensible. Their votes.

John McCain was just like hundreds of American airmen who walked out of those prisons. A great number of them, if not all of them, “spilled their guts” to a degree. Do you think McCain, as a front line soldier, had some kind of useful information that helped their war effort? Any more than the hundreds of other airmen did? The greatest “help” that McCain gave them was the P.R. boost and bargaining chip of holding the son of an Admiral.

ha ha

Especially since McCain wants to kick Russia out of the G8. They won’t talk to him anytime.

With all due respect to you, John McCain would not have left that prison with his skin intact had he not ’spilled his guts’.
What pisses me off is how the Right is trying to say now that he stood up to the ‘Gooks’ and they got no info. from him.
That’s just not true.

¶ AIO

Obama’s a muslim is there anyway….it’s their talking point. Most Americans are not interested in a coherent, rational, argument about our candidates strengths versus McCain. We have plenty of them but we had them in 2000 and 2004 also, did we not?

If I can paint mccain as what he is, a fool who could not get through the academy without interferance from his daddy and even then graduated 4th from last in his class then I will.

You seem to want to win but be a nice guy. We are the nice guys and it has gotten us beaten. I intend to hammer them until they bleed. You play nice if you want.

If you wanted to see Obama go down in a landslide defeat, then you couldn’t pick a better move than to have him question McCain’s patriotism, using as evidence: “Surrendering to the enemy and signing anti-American documents as a POW is “foreign policy breadth”….which is the original argument I’ve been positioning against.

Ami angry? Absolutely. I am furious about what has been happening to my country. I counter the false stories about Obama EVERY DAY with my coworkers and family members. I guarantee you that you will not convert anyone with cheap points about his being shot down. You have to have a real reason why Obama is better. Cheap shots about getting shot down just get answered with crap like “well,Obama’s a muslim…”

Well then get busy doing that instead of holding my feet to the fire…..I will support you….you seem intent on shutting me down….Why? Get with the program then and post some anti-false claims by the right instead of tearing people down here for being angry…..are you not angry.

You seem to miss the entire point of the conversation….mccain was shot down because he was a poor pilot and he was captured and he says tortured. He spilled his guts as anyone probably would have done but it nothing to be proud of and imply that it gives you forign policy experience is it?

If anything, the story helps McCain for those who are informed on the Russia issue.
________________

Good lord, you utter fool. McCain doesn’t even know Czechoslovakia doesn’t exist anymore and thinks Iraq& Pakistan have a common border. It’s not a question of whether or not McCain has a valid stance on “the Russia Issue”, but rather, does Johnny even know where he is half the time?

Pushing back against false claims is one thing, I support that 110%. Perpetuating false claims in the mold of a swift boat attack is a whole different matter.
Our ideas are better, our candidate is better, our IDEALS are better, than a Rovian attack on McCain’s patriotism, based on his POW experience.
If you want to question McCain’s commitment to the ideals of Democracy, or even his patriotism, using his voting record and statements regarding the Iraq war, torture of detainees, wiretapping American citizens, etc…then let’s go to town on that front. But not any statements or propaganda extracted from him while under torture.

July 29th, 2008 at 2:04 pm
____

Considering that they sell us about 420,000 barrels of oil a day, I’d say they’re much more of a frenemy than an adversary.

DvlsAdvocat Says:
Just because they set their rules, it doesn’t mean we have to play by them. That is the same thought process that brought us Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo

No, that’s the same thought process that allowed the right to bulldoze us in 2000 & 2004. We didn’t push back….prime example Kerry not pushing back against the swift boaters. We can’t be nice while they behave the way they do and expect the electorate to see the differences.