Olbermann: White House sent me talking points too, ‘I still have them.’
Olbermann: White House sent me talking points too, ‘I still have them.’
Last night on MSNBC, host Keith Olbermann discussed Bill O’Reilly’s outrage at Scott McClellan’s recent revelation that the White House regularly gave Fox News talking points and that the channel’s pundits and commentators “were useful” to the Bush administration. O’Reilly called McClellan “crazy” and “a liar.” But Olbermann said that he knows from “personal experience” that McClellan “didn‘t make this stuff up”:
OLBERMANN: We know the White House sent out talking points. McClellan says this and I can tell you, from personal experience, I still have them. In 2004 — in retrospect, this looks like one of the great wastes of all time—they sent me a set of talking points, not fully understanding the nature of the show even in 2004, before I sat down and interviewed Joe Wilson. McClellan didn’t make this stuff up.
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Hang on to them, Keith. They’re needed for the Contra-Bush Library!
July 30th, 2008 at 4:04 pmKeith, of all people, should know that verifiable facts that disprove a right winger’s claim isn’t going to go very far in having that right winger admit to being wrong.
This is he credo of trolls everywhere.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:05 pmBill lives in a permanent state of denial. What else could it possibly be. Many people I know have been calling Faux news the “White house News Channel” for the last 7+ years.
Maybe someone else got them before Bill and changed their format or presentation, but I’d bet anything he has spewed their propaganda many times before.
Prosecute Bill O, Savage and Hannity for causing the reich wing nut job walking into that church in Tenn and blowing up the liberals.
If we hold record executives/artists responsible for their messages in music, why can’t we hold these guys responsible for their messages in the “news”?
July 30th, 2008 at 4:06 pmI wish he would make them public. I’d like to compare the actual talking points with transcripts of Fox News broadcasts from that time and see how close they match.
I remember back in the day when the White House just issued press releases. Now it’s talking points. What’s next — actual teleprompter scripts?
July 30th, 2008 at 4:08 pmBut, But ……. Clinton did it too!!!
July 30th, 2008 at 4:09 pm…….Right? ……… Right??
I thought Keith’s comment about what his show was all about and the WH didn’t even know it was quite telling.
I wonder if Colbert also got some. Heh Heh
July 30th, 2008 at 4:11 pmTo the 23% of American’s so sadly lost in self-deception, it’s time to wake up and face the day. The Emperor has no clothes, the ‘restore honor’ theme crashed and burned, this Administration is terminally inept, at best. As January 20, 2009 gets nearer and nearer these revalations will just keep coming. If a criminal probe is actually launched, into the Pardoned or the Unpardoned , woo-hoo; hang on to your hats kids, its gonna be a bumpy ride!
July 30th, 2008 at 4:12 pmImpeach Pelosi (is she impeachable???), Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
misshusseinmolly Says:…What’s next — actual teleprompter scripts?
McBudweiser can’t finish a sentence without a teleprompter.
In fact, he can’t finish a thought without Lieberman in his ear.
He can’t state a policy without flip flopping in the same speech.
Yes, the King of Fears doesn’t do computers, but he sure likes him some teleprompting.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:12 pmAnd you know, it’s not that the other news corps aren’t saying they didn’t get talking points, as well. They are just saying that it is reprehensible that you don’t state that you did when using them. Which is what Fox did and still does.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:13 pmWhy is Billo in such a tizzy? Did the truth hit too close to home…like say right in his pants?
Yea for Olberman, hope he drags them out but hey, don’t wait for the 23%ers to EVER wake up. Won’t happen, they can’t admit they worship an idol with clay feet.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:17 pmDon’t we all remember the many Daily Shows where Jon has clips of ALL the main news shows and they are all saying the same things on the same day. Must just be coincidence, I guess.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:20 pmNot to worry Keith. They will just say that you “took them out of context”.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:21 pmDoes this mean O’Biley’s, gasp! A LIAR??
July 30th, 2008 at 4:23 pmBill O’Reilly- apparently “crazy” and “a liar”.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:33 pmAh, the Squawking Points of all the Bush-borg Parrots… Polly wants a fascist state, squawk, squawk… Kind of like those $10 mechanical talking parrots they used to sell a few years ago; they repeated everything you said..
Slightly O/T, Mr. Wolf Blitzer on CNN just described the latest McLame smear ad against Obama, trying to link him to Britney and Paris, as “bold.” Somehow, I can think of a few other ways to describe this pathetic stupid little McLame smear, but then, I’m not being paid millions of dollars each year to parrot right wing talking points…
July 30th, 2008 at 4:35 pmOf course the tools at fox would deny having talking points. Is a 10 lb robin fat? The rethugs are so completely brain washed, they are even given a single word to push. Remember the day “elitist” began? You heard Mary Matlin to Hannity to Elisabeth on The View say that “word”! None of the rethugs can think for themselves! They do what they are told, and they do it with a straight face. It’s the rest of us who are laughing our butts off at them! What fools!!!!!!
July 30th, 2008 at 4:39 pmA maverick is an unbranded cow
July 30th, 2008 at 4:43 pmQuagmire Says:
upside99 Says:
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But, But ……. Clinton did it too!!!
…….Right? ……… Right??
BullSh*t Keith. Produce them if you have them. Come on progessives, you love your proof. Prove it Keith.
BullSh!t, billo, prove you or anyone else at Faux never received any. Come on Repugs, you love you some proof. Prove it billo.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:44 pmTripleKick 5 Says:
Poor Olbermann, still trying to ride O’Reilly’s wake.
Poor TrippleKick, still proving he is an idiot by totally missing the point once again.
BTW, I’m still laughing at you, fool.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:46 pmHey Quag,
Taking a ‘librul’ handle I see (according to you).
And as I recall, the term ‘Maverick’, was Johnny Boy’s own term he used for hissown self. And loved it when the media picked up his talking points.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:47 pmQuagmire Says:
TripleKick 5 Says:
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Poor Olbermann, still trying to ride O’Reilly’s wake.
The new numbers came out and it wasn’t even close. When your show is based around negatives, “Worst Person” the American public who get it, get tired of it.
Actually, to continue your line of thought, the demographics for Faux and billo are very close to the people who also watch WW reslin’. So, if you say LIV are fans of both, then you have a valid argument.
BTW, who is your favorite ‘resler’?
July 30th, 2008 at 4:51 pmSo quagmire: If the consumer so much seeks the made for consumption bullshit of O’Reilly so badly why do you continue to claim a left media bias. Shouldn’t the market already have solved this? O’Reilly is a shill he doesn’t actually believe any of the shit he says. It is written by writers to appeal to the most base of the viewers. You must be able to see that. He just signs his check and goes home. It is no different than the Springer type shit that the right claims is warping the quality of the society.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:54 pmQuagmire Says:
Yep. I remember when McCain was running for the nomination against Bush. The media and the liberal talking heads all used the word “Maverick” to describe McCain. There was a montage of them all saying, “John McCain is a maverick”. The lefty talking points of the day.
“Lefty”? McCain the Maverick is “lefty”? Who writes your material?
That would probably explain why “the left” has been so critical of the Media for calling McCain a Maverick in this election.
Or not, depending on whether your planet has gravity.
And “quagmire” was another one. After the Iraq war started, the liberal talking heads and media referred to the Iraq war as a “Quagmire”. And I also remember the left using “Gravitas”. Do you all remeber those talking points put out by the left?
It was a quagmire, and it is a quagmire, and even Cheney said that as Gulf War I was winding down. Or maybe you weren’t born then.
July 30th, 2008 at 4:58 pmCan we get better trolls, please?
The ones we’re getting now just really are not working out.
Trolls that make sense once in a while would be nice, if you can find them.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:01 pmBoy, Keith sure does piss off the reichwingers! *snicker*
It’s ok, Quaggie – but you really ought to think of your blood pressure.
Perhaps a nice cup of chamomile tea, eh? And a nap. Yep. Just the ticket!!
July 30th, 2008 at 5:02 pmRalph?
Aren’t you being a little hard on our poor trolls? Poor things can’t even spell – and here you are, expecting them to make sense??
Oh, dear.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:05 pmQuagmire
Precisely what point are you trying to make here? That the talking points don’t exist? Seriously? You are trying to argue that this or any other administration did not feed information to the press to get its perspective out to the general public? If so you are fighting the wrong war. The point McClellan was making that rankled the FoxBots was that those talking heads were “useful” i.e. swallowed the hook. Having had to watch Fox “News” at my crazy inlaws’ house I don’t think that point is all that controversial either. The “talking points” part on the other hand is a no brainer.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pmQuagmire Says:
I’m waiting Keith. I know your in here.
It’s really sad when a troll has a total mental breakdown while posting on the web.
Hilarious as hell, but sad.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:06 pmTo the best of my knowledge, Faux’s favors didn’t require a written list in an envelope marked “tlaking points” in bold red letters. I think it’s fair to say that every White House press briefing is just a delivery system for talking points.
Here’s a newsflash for Bill0 and the trolls:
Every time a member of the media repeated Scotty’s, or Snowjob’s or Purina’s or the Chimp’s, words in glowing terms, they were helping the White House by spreading the effing talking points.
I look forward to hearing KO’s list, but, it’s irrelevant to Bill0’s ridiculous claim of “never receiving them”.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:07 pmSeriously. How many times has some blithering idiot said, “the surge has been a success” just in the last 24 hours? How many were on Faux? When’s the last time Bill0 said it?
If that’s not “helping the White House” by “repeating the talking points”, what is?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Can we get better trolls, please?
The ones we’re getting now just really are not working out.
Trolls that make sense once in a while would be nice, if you can find them.
Amen to that! You’d think the RNC could find some trolls who have at least walked and chewed gum at the same time. For 10 cents a post, these trolls are really stinking up the place.
Shoot, I’d give them 15 cents a post if they just went away.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:12 pmI agree. Keith should bring them out to show to us sometime here soon. They’re likely to be very informative!
July 30th, 2008 at 5:15 pmWayne Says:
Quagmire Says:
I’m waiting Keith. I know your in here.
It’s really sad when a troll has a total mental breakdown while posting on the web.
Hilarious as hell, but sad.
He was such a nice troll. It was a shame when his lack of knowledge finally became apparent to him. He died a slow, painful death, surrounded by his one loved one – Barby the blow up doll. Of course, she was deflated at the time, but he put her to good use anyway. She now rests under his mattress so the stains are easier to manage. RIP.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:16 pmLeftside Annie Says:
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Boy, Keith sure does piss off the reichwingers! *snicker*
It’s ok, Quaggie – but you really ought to think of your blood pressure.
He can’t help it. His dog keeps telling him stuff that really pisses him off.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:21 pmIt seems the trolls break down trying to comprehend hypocrisy too. It must be a design, or manufacturing, flaw. It’s not like it takes unusual stress to cause a failure.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:22 pmpete Says:
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Seriously. How many times has some blithering idiot said, “the surge has been a success”
Do you mean besides John McCain?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:24 pmCNN just had a mccain advisor on explaining what mccain REALLY mean’t to say on a subject yesterday. We need talking points to keep up with the changing menu from mccain. And he thinks Obama is vague ! mccain’s advisors can’t even keep it straight.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:29 pmWhat bothers the righties the most is the bush lies exposed every night by Keith. That really sets them off.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:30 pmTexaslady – evidently, McCain doesn’t speak for the McCain campaign…
Only in Bizarro Republican World.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:32 pmHmmm. I was just thinking – when Obama gets elected President, all our trolls’ heads are going to instantly explode. Or spontaneously combust, or some such…
I was thinking that the Christians have the RAPTURE, so maybe we should dub the coming mass troll extinction the RUPTURE. ;o)
July 30th, 2008 at 5:35 pmQuaggie, you’re so cute when you’re angry!!!!!
Kitchy, kitchy koo!!
July 30th, 2008 at 5:36 pmAnd wasn’t this same White House the one paying to put in happy articles about Iraq and allowing a non journalist
July 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pmGannon to ask questions reflecting the White House views ? Sure smacks of Germany 1930’s with another butcher called Hitler.
Who’s Olbercrack?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:37 pmThat’s my big fear with trolls; as much as our world would benefit from a spreading of truth, troll systems just aren’t equipped to handle that kind of shock.
The pain and anguish that they’d experience in a moment of self-awareness — is that worth the small gain for truth? After all, it’s not like they really matter. I say let ‘em live in their delusions, as long as they don’t harm anyone else.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pmPoor Quaggie.
You really ought to rest now, sweetheart. You’re getting froth on your nice clean underoos.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:38 pmQuagmire Says:
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Tonight would be the perfect night to bring out the “talking points” and share them with his viewers. I call bullsh*t on the clown. He’s a liar, plain and simple.
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Why are trolls so stupid and defensive of their moronic heroes? Any fool would have figured this out years ago. Please watch the documentary “Outfoxed”. It has all the evidence you will need but idiots show contempt prior to investigation. You have already made up your mind…what does that make you quagmire?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pmAnd just how do you KNOW that Olberman is lying, that he doesn’t have talking points? Are you a producer on his show or do you have an inside track ? I see you left yourself and out by saying EVERYONE is given talking points. So is Olbermann lying or not ?
It must be very difficult to realize you have been lied too for 8 years by an ego driven, corrupt GOP. Not so grand anymore is it ?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pmWow. Not only can this troll not wean himself off of talking points, even when he’s bashing them, he can’t even keep the proper talking point with the proper thread.
Y’know, I think I’d even prefer a stupid troll to one who’s just phoning it in.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:40 pmThe stupid troll forgets that the “middle” wants and expects Obama to “head to the middle”. The “middle” is who we are and what once made our country the envy of the free world.
BTW. Anyone who thinks there has even been a “left” in this country since the 60’s has bought the lie of the ultra-right. You just can’t expect much from the bottom fifth of the curve.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:42 pmQuagmire Says:
Tonight would be the perfect night to bring out the “talking points” and share them with his viewers. I call bullsh*t on the clown. He’s a liar, plain and simple.
There are talking points coming from everywhere Strat. I do not deny that. I do not believe that any news source needs a direct link from the White House, House, or Senate leaders to get the talking points of the day. I’m saying that Olbercrack is lying when he states he has actual White House talking points.
I know I make fun of your posts. I do go a little too far sometimes with personal stuff which doesn’t elevate the debate one bit. I am working on this. I ask for your patience.
I prefaced my words with the preceeding because I am sure you are aware that ‘talking points’ aren’t actual words written on paper. The talking points KO is referring to are not an actual filed away sheet of ruled margin 8 1/2 x 11 paper.
They are words spoken to him – and others, or are floating around the punditsphere which they can pick and choose which ones to discuss or not. In the beltway, I am certain the players know which points are operative and which ones are not. Which ones are in play and which ones are not.
The right certainly gets their words from their sources, the left does the same. Sometimes the words match up, sometimes they don’t. Please don’t expect KO to bring out his notebook to show you the specific sheets of paper.
Both sides play the same game, at least to me anyway.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:45 pmTracy_5 Says:
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Olbermann won’t be able to produce those talking points. Anyone want to be that he can’t/won’t?
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July 30th, 2008 at 5:47 pmIt has been documented before Scott and Keith that this happened. Please watch the documentary “Outfoxed”. There is plenty of evidence to the talking points being distributed to Roger Ailes who tells his talking heads what to repeat over and over each day.
It is great to see truth finally coming out and more will come out to expose this administration as the most corrupt, beating out nixon. Those that had the courage to speak out, the Generals forced out of the military for dissenting will be the true heros. Hopefully a cell is waiting in GITMO for bush/cheney.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pmThey are words spoken to him – and others, or are floating around the punditsphere which they can pick and choose which ones to discuss or not. In the beltway, I am certain the players know which points are operative and which ones are not. Which ones are in play and which ones are not.
And Flippy McSpin checks with Western Union every week or so for an update.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pmTracy5:
July 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pmSorry but you lost me a bit with the typos. I make a lot too. What where you trying to say? Whatever happened to models 1 through 4?
Can anyone explain to me why wingnuts insist on typing “algore” with no space? I mean, it seems kind of childish to me, for no good reason.
Anyone?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:50 pmtexaslady Says:
It is great to see truth finally coming out and more will come out to expose this administration as the most corrupt, beating out nixon. Those that had the courage to speak out, the Generals forced out of the military for dissenting will be the true heros. Hopefully a cell is waiting in GITMO for bush/cheney.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:49 pm
Our only real hope, should our worst suspicions about Bushco come true, is that there are enough honorable flag officers left to say, “no Sir, we are not going to do that” and make it stick. I hope that’s why there haven’t been more of them resigning over Bushco’s disastrous military policies. They may be all that stands between us and “banana republic” status.
July 30th, 2008 at 5:54 pmOur trolls don’t recognize sarcasm either? Do they get anything?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:55 pmBiased? I wonder why I have never had any problem. Do you mistake bias for something else? So you are the poor underdog eh? I love that one. You know the one I mean- the rightous warrior battling against the odds. Probably a big fan of the Star Wars series…
July 30th, 2008 at 5:57 pmQuagmire Says:
I hear you Strat. But if you take what he says litteraly, “Olbermann: White House sent me talking points too, ‘I still have them.’” Has them where? He is implying that he has something.
Yep. I know. I noticed that very same thing too. Maybe he does have them bound in a book. Good reading, ya think?
July 30th, 2008 at 5:58 pmThe trolls want to bet? Would they care to wager how many hours of video there is of Bill0 “helping the White House” by “repeating their talking points”? Would the care to make book on how many independent observers would say that Bill0’s contrived outrage proves him a “liar” and an “idiot”.
The only remaining question is, did the same brand of paint load their developing minds with lead and mercury or, were they contaminated by separate sources?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:00 pmBut that doesn’t explain this particular construction. I can see “Al Bore” or even “The Goricle” — those are still childish, but at least make sense in a third-grade-recess kind of way.
What is with all the trolls deleting the space?
Or is it just the favored construction of a single troll who shows up here under several different monikers?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:01 pmHey Jim if you get off on f’ing up the planet, you might wanna check out the deadzones. There is a good one working in the Gulf…
July 30th, 2008 at 6:03 pmPete – you honor bush by using a capitol letter for his name that is why I will not refer to him with respect. I would think that a true republican would be sickened by what bush has done to their party. But no, those with tunnel vision cannot admit they were lied too.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pmSince when has global climate become a movement rather than a phenomenon?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:06 pmThe wingnuts would not believe Keith if he had bush’s signature on the notes…they can’t admit they honor a loser who would sell them out in a minute. Wait a minute he already has, let them pay for this disasterous 8 years on and on.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:07 pmSo Tracy5:
July 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pmWhen you get a chance might you entertain that simple request back on that other thread?
Actually Obama conferred with a few of those who resigned from bush’s administration regarding the economy so yes, there are many honorable people who will help put America back where she was 8 years ago.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:09 pmtexaslady Says:
Pete – you honor bush by using a capitol letter for his name that is why I will not refer to him with respect. I would think that a true republican would be sickened by what bush has done to their party. But no, those with tunnel vision cannot admit they were lied too.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:04 pm
No respect intended I assure you! But, grammar dies hard in old farts. And I still capitalize President in hopes of a better future and seek to avoid confusion by never using the term in reference to the idiot in the White House. BTW, once it’s fumigated, I will have nothing against the White House.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:10 pmHey Quag and Tracy,
Would this radio talking head meeting with Dubya count as a Talking Point distribution?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:11 pmQuaggie, if you’re as pissed off at the current administration as you say you are — then why on earth are you here defending them every day?
Honestly, dear, nobody is stupid enough to buy *that* pile of crap. Except maybe Tracy_5. ;o)
July 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pmAl Gore never invaded the wrong effing country and has not presided over what is, arguably, the steepest decline in our nations history. What’s your point?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:12 pmPssst, Tracy! The “Democrat’s talking points” is the TRUTH.
Sucks to be you, doesn’t it? Stuck defending a gaseous cretin like Billo?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pmTracy_5 Says:
“Would they care to wager how many hours of video there is of Bill0 “helping the White House” by “repeating their talking points”?”
And you win if we can’t cite Olbermann squawking the Democrat’s talking points…fair?
The Democrats are the current administration? No kidding. Or maybe you can’t distinguish between a political party having talking points and the GOVERNMENT using the media to spread its talking points.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pmIs there any evidence that the Democratic Party is giving Olbermann talking points?
you like to ask for proof when it comes to liberals but when you make the same statements, where is your cherished proof?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:20 pmTruth hurts, Tracy, doesn’t it? Bush talks a game about how he is such a compassionate conservative and how the bills he vetoes will only hurt the American people, but you have been so blinded by the shell game that you can’t see when Bush talks about people, he means the ELITISTS who make money off your back…and the backs of others…
July 30th, 2008 at 6:22 pmpete Says:
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Seriously. How many times has some blithering idiot said, “the surge has been a success”
Quagmire Says:
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BTW, the surge is a success.
OOPS! There’s another blithering idiot.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:23 pmAgree Leftside Annie, with all the conservative talking heads to defend billo is astounding. What a total jerk who also said he would apologize if invading Iraq turned out wrong. Well haven’t heard that apology.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:24 pmLeftside Annie Says:
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Pssst, Tracy! The “Democrat’s talking points” is the TRUTH.
Sucks to be you, doesn’t it? Stuck defending a gaseous cretin like Billo?
Tracist and O’Racist. Birds of a feather.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pmI don’t think anyone is inferring that they HAVE to use them. But the evidence is pretty solid that they CHOOSE to use them, verbatim in most cases.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pmPete – hope fumigation will be enough to rid the White House of the stench of 8 years corruptness. Do you remember the GOP saying they return honor to the White House ? It must be sickening to be a reputable republican these days.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pmso when Fox News receives talking points from the White House and uses them, it’s okay…
Do Republicans have any other standards besides IOKIYAR?
If you watch Olbermann, you can see that he does get on the Democrats’ cases at times when they cave into Bush’s demands…has Fox News even criticized Bush or any of his cronies?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:31 pmIt’s not just Fox News. The entire MSM takes White House press releases and relays them to the public as actual news.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:33 pm“Now a noun and a verb” says nothing about the compression of the name. However, I see that its source is Rush Limbaugh, so it makes sense that it’s childish.
And that trolls would repeat it mindlessly.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:36 pmExamples, please?
July 30th, 2008 at 6:37 pmtexaslady Says:
Pete – hope fumigation will be enough to rid the White House of the stench of 8 years corruptness. Do you remember the GOP saying they return honor to the White House ? It must be sickening to be a reputable republican these days.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
As a person who was once proud to say I leaned right, I can assure you that anyone with a conscience is sickened and disgusted by what The GOP has come to represent. (They lost me the second I saw Jerry Fallwell influencing policy.) And I think very few reputable people still identify themselves as reps or conservatives any more.
It’s only the truly unbalanced, the sick and malformed, who still cling to those titles. Sullying the terms for all time.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pmLook, Trace, even if we grant, for the sake of argument, your contention that Olberman repeats “Democratic talking points”, Olberman is hardly the equal of Faux News. Olberman is on air for five hours a week.
Faux News has twenty-four hours a day to “catapult the propaganda”.
It’s arguments like these that you advance that make you seem so silly and overmatched.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:39 pmpete, that’s why I value your contribution here. Your points are always reasoned and well made, and they come from a different place than most here.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:41 pm“…has Fox News even criticized Bush or any of his cronies?”
Only when they aren’t radical enough. Faux will never forgive them if they don’t attack Iran.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:41 pmThanx ralph.
Why does our troll keep on about KO? I’m pretty sure he didn’t call anyone a “liar” or “idiot” for describing what he does.
Bill0, on the other hand, went off like a rabid weasel because someone suggested he didn’t just pull all his material out of his as#.
Heck! Bill0 should be overjoyed at the implication there’s a source for his bile. Being a mindless dupe of the White House is a slightly higher form of creature than extreme Reichwing hatemonger. I think it would elevate Bill0 somewhat in most people’s eyes.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:47 pmThe troll crap has gotten so thick around here the last couple of days wouldn’t it be better to just flag them and talk about them and not to them. Obviously they are unable to learn anything.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:54 pmGolly gee whiz Wally, The White House doesn’t interfere with the news media like that.
/sarc
July 30th, 2008 at 6:55 pmGotta hand it to Traxy. She’s persevered through thick, and well, thicker.
July 30th, 2008 at 6:56 pmIf you assume that O’Liely, only was sent talking points and he didn’t use them, his denial of even that, only underscores the pathology of his lies.
July 30th, 2008 at 7:18 pmlet O’Reilly keep digging his own grave with his piehole.
EVERY b.s. detector in America knows why he’s making such a big deal out of this.
July 30th, 2008 at 7:25 pmThank you Keith for nailing it!
July 30th, 2008 at 8:05 pmI’m suggesting that for every Olberman, MSNBC has a Scarborough. Chris Mathews is far more right than he is anything else. Rachel Maddow doesn’t have a show on the network. She’s an occasional commentator, and a very bright one. Dana Milbank is also only an occasional reporter. But MSNBC is hardly a “mouthpiece for the liberal Democratic party”. For one thing, there IS NO “liberal Democratic party”. It’s very nearly as corporatist as the Republicans. For another thing, if MSNBC was a “mouthpiece for the liberal Democratic party” it would not have fired Phil Donohue when his was the highest rated show on the network.
Face it, Trace, there is no “liberal media”. It’s all corporate, and it’s all cowed by BushCo, has been since 2001. The only reason Olberman is allowed to do his “Special Comments” is because viewers respond to them, the political atmosphere isn’t poisonous for them any more and they get ratings. That’s all.
Just throwing out names that you think are “liberal” doesn’t make your point. David Shuster, for instance, shows no liberal bias in his reports, and you haven’t demonstrated any. He’s a real journalist, unlike Bildo, but since he’s willing to report on the less savory aspects of a criminal administration, wingnuts like you think he’s a “liberal”. His reports are not unfairly presented. He’s professional with his guests.
From the article to which you linked:
“I really do take on people with power,” (Mathews) said. “Deceit is what drives me crazy, either by Bill Clinton or the hawks in this administration.”
If the government fails the people, it is the media’s responsibility to report it, is it not?
Your “liberal media” meme is losing air by the minute, Trace. Best find a new one. Good luck.
July 30th, 2008 at 8:06 pmQuagmire, your problem is, your core belief is ‘I hate liberals.’ It’s not a cohesive position.
I’ve met and had interesting debates with all sorts of people with conservative and/or right wing positions: Objectivists, Libertarians, what I call Heinlein SF conservatives, rock-ribbedsocial conservatives, Bill Buckley conservatives, Fundie conservatives, Bell Curve conservatives.
The thing is, that the libertarians would hate me for my mutualist ideas but agree with me n privacy and reproductive choice. The Objectivists would rant and rave but run down religion worse than I ever did. There were social conservatives whose anti-immigration stands were matched by their isolationism. The Heinlein SF conservatives hated touchy-feely liberals–but hated fundies just as much and liked anyone who was a fan of space exploration.
But that started to change in 1980 with Reagan. Up until then, I subscribed to the National Review, but was dismayed to find that a formerly magazine ofsharp jaundiced social commentary became a mag fill of ‘Yay! We won! Look at us! and just loved everything Reagan did. There were conservatives who were just plain horrified when America became a debtor nation under Reagan, but you wouldn’t find it at NR any more.
And Newt Gingrich sealed the deal. The only Republicans were movement Republicans: if you didn’t toe the line you were thrown out.
And it made (and makes) no sense: Social Darwinism but no real Darwinism; fiscal conservatives saying deficits don’t matter; Fundamentalists Christians supporting a President who never goes to church and lets his daughters rngage in underage drinking bouts with Ashton Kutcher–and elitists who flaunt their MENSA memberships supporting idiots.
If you had an actual ideology, Quagmire, there would be places where you and I would agree, whether you were a fundie or a Randophile–but you’re nothing more than a movement conservative whose position is dependent on mine because we’re the enemy.
Doesn’t it bother you, to have a high opinion of your own intelligence and to be subordinate to fools and upper class twits of the year?
July 30th, 2008 at 8:14 pmTracy_5 Says:
Actually giving them to Olbermann?…no, but if you watch his show you will immediately see that he repeats them on a nightly basis.
Just like O’Reilly, and wingnut propaganda.
July 30th, 2008 at 8:42 pmTweety is no “librul”. He’s a yapping little lap dog who snarls and barks at people who show “weakness” and licks the face of anyone who strokes his ego. Plus he may be the rudest interviewer to ever hold a gig so long. I can’t imagine why any rational person would want to do his show any more than Bill0’s. I’d punch the smug SOB in the nose the first time he interrupted an answer.
July 30th, 2008 at 8:59 pmDid T5 mention Dana MIlbank as a “a demoratic and raging liberal”?
What a coincidence.
Oh, those “raging liberals” in the media….
July 30th, 2008 at 9:03 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Did T5 mention Dana MIlbank as a “a demoratic and raging liberal”?
What a coincidence.
Oh, those “raging liberals” in the media….
July 30th, 2008 at 9:03 pm
I do so wish they would learn to keep up with the talking points.
July 30th, 2008 at 9:24 pmEveryone to the right of Hannity is a liberal in Tracy’s world…never mind that LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES here are the best to judge which media talking head is liberal or not…
liberal has come to mean anything that the extreme wingnuts don’t agree with…Chuck Hagel became a liberal when he expressed opposition to the war in Iraq, even though he consistently gets a high rating from conservative groups…
July 30th, 2008 at 11:44 pmSomeone needs to get laid…
July 31st, 2008 at 12:12 amKeith has been smoking reefers with the rest of us LAZY LIBS,looks like Billo is caught in another lie, how will he get out of this one.Billo should come clean and tell the truth, I know it`s hard to do on the Reich side but it can be done….
July 31st, 2008 at 9:25 amWho knew National Geographic and the HSN received talking points, too? http://www.236.com has all the news, not covered here by Olbermann.
http://www.236.com/news/2008/07/31/236_exclusive_fox_news_not_the_1_8029.php
July 31st, 2008 at 5:35 pm