Glenn Beck: Slavery apology is an affront ‘to the principles of Christianity.’
Glenn Beck: Slavery apology is an affront ‘to the principles of Christianity.’
On Tuesday, the House passed a formal apology for slavery and racist segregation laws, recognizing that “African-Americans continue to suffer from the consequences of slavery and Jim Crow.” Yesterday, Glenn Beck spent nearly 30 minutes on his radio show mocking the apology. He continued expressing his outrage on his CNN Headline News show last night, during a discussion with Ron Paul. Paul wondered why Congress should apologize, since “we personally weren’t responsible.” Beck claimed that the apology “was a front [sic] to the principles of Christianity“:
RON PAUL: But when it comes to these apologies, you know, why should you and I make the apologies? Why should I apologize for you through a vote in the Congress? At the same time, you know, we personally weren’t responsible, you know, for that. [...]
BECK: Yes, I think it — honestly, it is a front — I’m a Christian. It’s a front [sic] to the principles of Christianity. Forgiveness. Forgiveness. This country, half of this country fought the other half and died to free and to say, enough. This is wrong. We were washed in blood. I know — I mean, good heavens. There’s nothing worse than slavery. Why are we doing this and concentrating on this now?
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July 31st, 2008 at 3:54 pmAnd why does he pretend to be a Christian?
I’m a Christian. It’s a front [sic] to the principles of Christianity. Forgiveness. Forgiveness. This country, half of this country fought the other half and died to free and to say, enough. This is wrong. We were washed in blood. I know — I mean, good heavens. There’s nothing worse than slavery. Why are we doing this and concentrating on this now?
Can anyone translate this for me? I don’t speak Moron.
Is beck trying to say that this is an AFFRONT to the principles of Christianity because the Bible says slavery is permissible as long as you enslave people from the next tribe?
July 31st, 2008 at 3:57 pmGlenn Beck is a drug addict born again who never went to college, sucked being a DJ, and sucks more at living.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:57 pmAh, he must have an advance copy of Darryl’s new book.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:58 pmI’m still awaiting an official apology from the current government of Egypt for failing to “Set My People Free” before Moses had to go and force it out of them with the Plagues and all.
Youre not Jewish. You insult me.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pmBen Gleck should be forced to trade places with an African American day laborer who lives in South Central Los Angeles for about a month.
Then he’ll have the answer to his question.
July 31st, 2008 at 3:59 pmRepublicans are racists.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pmOh, and I forgot to mention the improvement in the overall quality of his show, a win-win!!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:00 pmThis country, half of this country fought the other half and died to free and to say, enough. This is wrong. We were washed in blood. I know — I mean, good heavens. There’s nothing worse than slavery. Why are we doing this and concentrating on this now?
This is a politician.
His statement could be taken either way, seemingly endorsing either North, or South.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pmThe wingers are made up of the old John Birch Society, KKK, and any other bigots they can find.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pmMoses was responsible for the Plagues, Jeej?
I didn’t realize Moses was divine, too.
This sounds like a question for our resident Troll Bible Foxpert, Daryll. He should be here any second. I’m gonna make some microwave popcorn. Anyone wants some?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:01 pmAnd I demand a formal apology from the Republican party apologizing for releasing a plague on this country in the form bush, cheney, scumsfeld and rice.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:04 pmI’m gonna make some microwave popcorn. Anyone wants some?
Keep that stuff away from me. I used to work the movie concession stand, and that crappy butter smell makes me ill.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pmBozo, I second that demand, third and fourth it as well! Plus effing reparations to my children and theirs to pay off the debt these cretins have racked up.!!!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pmThat was quite the circular rant, ending up at “there’s nothing worse than slavery.”
And who is Mr. Beck a slave to? Ratings, maybe. When will viewers apologize for enticing him?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pmJesus was totally against apologizin’
July 31st, 2008 at 4:06 pm‘Forgive them Father…” isn’t meant as an apology… when you’re the son of God, you DEMAND forgiveness.
How can anyone apologize for the actions of others?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:07 pmYou have to love that Liberal media that gives this clown a show.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pmBeck claimed that the apology “was a front [sic] to the principles of Christianity“
– - I’m always taken a Beck by Glenn’s myopic views.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pmIf there ever is a Second Coming, I think Jesus is going to be royally ticked off at the way that right wingers have hijacked Christianity to justify their own pet peeves.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:08 pmI demand a formal apology from Ronald Reagan, for killing the Fairness Doctrine.
Where’s he buried?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:09 pmDary11:
July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pmMoses may have been super high so you might not wanna give too much credit. Besides it is just a story.
Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:
“How can anyone apologize for the actions of others?”
I would venture to say this isn’t a personal apology but rather, an apology from the government which kept slavery big business in this country for many years.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:10 pmTekka Don is great but I sort of doubt the TC recipe
July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pmI think what Paul was attmpting to ineptly say, was that the sins of the elders shouldn’t be visited on the descendants.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:11 pm“Divine help” is different than unleashing plagues, Jeej. Minor point, sure but I’m sure Daryll (the REAL Daryll) would take issue with your contention. Except of course, you’re both Chimpy leg-humpers, so most likely all will be forgiven.
And keep your paws out of my popcorn. It’s only for nice people.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:12 pmBECK: “… This is wrong. We were washed in blood.”
Oh, it’s a clue: wasn’t Daryll telling us he was “washed in the blood of jesus”?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pmAre GB and Daryll related or one in the same?
ralph please tell me you use real butter and maybe some brewers yeast as opposed to that “butter flavoring agent”. That shit is so low brow…
July 31st, 2008 at 4:14 pm“it is a front”
What an adorable malapropism. Cripes, he sounds like one of the kids from the Family Circus.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pmI’m sorry Dary11!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pmAll better now?
Wha… huh?
*** furrowed brow… pained look on face… scratching head…***
Jeebus… WHAT is this idiot Beck talking about?
Man, I’m gonna have a splitting headache all weekend now…
July 31st, 2008 at 4:15 pmBECK: “There’s nothing worse than slavery. Why are we doing this and concentrating on this now?”
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We are doing this because, as Congress said, “African-Americans continue to suffer from the consequences of slavery and Jim Crow”.
Because Beck is white, he’s probably never understood that he has benefitted from living in a system where he’s never been denied a job because of his color, always has been able to buy any house in any neighborhood he can afford because of his color, never been stopped while driving by the police and challenged if the car he was driving was his, never been closely followed by the store detective while out shopping, never been turned away from the polls because of his color, never been denied service in a restaurant because of his color, and the list goes on and on.
Beck and Paul have both reaped the benefits of our post-slavery culture, simply because they are white. They are probably unaware of it because they’ve never been anything else.
But too many people in this country have had to fight just to be able to ride in any seat on a city bus, to swim in a municipal swimming pool, to attend the school of their choice, to sit wherever they want to in a movie theater — things white people take for granted.
I’m in favor of an apology. Slavery was wrong, and we still feel the repercussions of it today. It’s time for official recognition of that.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pmchristians are okay with bullshit as food and murder as policy. otherwise, they wouldn’t be a part of a group of killers. it is so damn simple, pick what you stand for.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:16 pmHate-filled, smearing, bigoted Beck is certainly no Christian – certainly not a follower of Jesus’ teachings.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Beck and Paul have both reaped the benefits of our post-slavery culture, simply because they are white. They are probably unaware of it because they’ve never been anything else.
The Third Basers.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:17 pmdary11 Says
July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Agreed that it is just a story. But a story with some historical truth including the enslavement of Jews by Egypt. So, I want my apology.
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Fine, take it up with Egypt. But leave it out of this thread — we’re discussing our own country’s past here.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pmAgreed that it is just a story. But a story with some historical truth including the enslavement of Jews by Egypt. So, I want my apology.
Ahh… but the Government of Egypt can hardly be claimed to be a direct descendant of the Pharoh’s government as most historians agree that Egyptians themselves are ethnically quite different from the Egyptians of the Pharoh’s day… so that would be like asking the U.S. Government for an apology for enslavement in the native tribes in the U.S. in ancient times… funny, but I think the U.S. Government’s direct involvement in the perpetuation of and profit from the African slave trade is a wee bit different.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pmWell stated MissHMolly, you done stole all my thunder, and with class and grace, as usual..
July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pm“WE weren’t personally responsible…”
BUT… (drum roll)
“WE were washed in blood…”
Getting dizzy… hard time breathing… must. sit. down.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:18 pmOdd that many slaves were beaten to a bloody pulp like Jesus, and by their Christian plantation owners to boot!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pmWho is Beck kidding? The right is opposed to apologizing for anything, whether they did it or not.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:19 pmWhat kind of “Christian” is that fool Beck anyway?
Whatever kind he is, I’m NOT.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:20 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
And keep your paws out of my popcorn. It’s only for nice people.
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I wonder why the troll even wants popcorn in the first place… maybe it ran out of Cheetos.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pmRalph, my money is on that either
1) he is against us apologizing for what our parents did (To which I answer, the sins of the father are visited on the children, even to the 7th generation. And look at how many problems we have still that can be traced to the racism / slavery of the 1800s. The best biblical counter argument would be, I believe in Jeremiah, where a prophet belittled the idea that the children’s teeth are on edge because the fathers ate bitter fruit.
2) Or we should just be forgiven. In which case he is missing the idea that forgiveness between people often needs the matter to be brought up in order to let true forgiveness to occur. Also, ***IF WE CONFESS** our sins, then He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins…..
A theologian, Beck ain’t
July 31st, 2008 at 4:21 pmGlenn, if you want to live by the Old Testament, fine, but then call yourself a Jew, not a Christian. The New Testament, you know the basis for Christianity, has this theme woven through it, something about . . . do unto others as you would have done unto you . . . or is it turn the other cheek . . . or is it love they neighbor . . . darn it, i get soooooo confused. but, the point is – Slavery is the antithesis to Christianity. Beck, you wouldn’t know that because for you Christianity is just a tool to make a lot of money. And Americans think there’s a liberal bias to the media. Nope, just a stupidity bias, because if the media told the truth, we’d burn DC and most of the media outlets to the ground tomorrow.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pmGod, what’s that smell?
Ralph, I think it’s burning…
July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pmNo one better have eaten the Jesus Cheeto!!!!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:22 pmIm quite sure my refined nature *snicker* is keeping my athiest ass from taking steps to eliminate that SOB named Beck.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pmDbadass, re Jesus on a Cheeto – no worries. He incarnated on a kitten from Indiana last night.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:24 pm“dary11 Says
July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Agreed that it is just a story. But a story with some historical truth including the enslavement of Jews by Egypt. So, I want my apology.”
Dary11- perhaps you may want to take a western civ class at your local adult ed center. Slavery was fairly common in ancient times. HOWEVER, the slavery that built the new world was the first time in history slavery was based on race and not a result (typically) of losing a war.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:25 pm“dary11 Says
July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Agreed that it is just a story. But a story with some historical truth including the enslavement of Jews by Egypt. So, I want my apology.”
So? Go to Egypt, moron.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pmGlenn Beck is an affront to the principles of humanity.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:26 pmAh, Missy triplekick, and the afternoon burlesque show. This straight-man convention is boring as hell without a little comedy once in a while.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:29 pmWhy do people talk about slavery as if it’s something in our country’s past? It’s still going on here and now in the United States, from tomato farms in Florida to textile factories in Saipan.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pmIs our religous troll going to defend slavery?
This is sickening.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pmHow much would it hurt to apologize? And how is it that Congress fails to recognize that, as a body, it is representative of the government — a continuous structure — that was, at some point, VERY responsible for discriminatory laws.
No, I was not alive when slave ships sailed to our shores. I did not run a plantation nor own any slaves, and neither did my forebears, who were immigrants themselves in the early 1900’s from northern Europe. But am I not part of this country, do I not share in what has gone before, both for good and for evil?
How supremely arrogant of R. Paul and G. Beck to say, “Well, it wasn’t me!”
July 31st, 2008 at 4:30 pmhate to point this out, dribbledick but, all those nice racist democrats from the 40’s-60’s you’re pointing out to us RAN to the Republican party after 1964.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pmSo TJ (1-infinity) approves of slavery too. He likes Bush and slavery, at the same time?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:31 pm“Wait, is this the same Bozo that said: “Carter was not President in 1980?” It is, right?”
::::shaking head:::::::: dary11, we already covered this…i turned republican so, I guess you can forgive my little “mis-speak”.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:32 pmdribblydick, wasn’t it the presumed republican presidential candidate john mclame who voted against making MLK day a holiday?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:33 pmNot really sure what you were trying to prove with that post, TK.
One would think that if Ms. King was really seeking to rail against the “decades of destruction which continue to plague our communities today” that she blames on Democrats, she would have included some recent examples.
Y’know, like, more recent than 40 years ago perhaps?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pmHmmmm. Does that mean women don’t have to apologize to men for Eve having sampled that forbidden fruit?
Hmmm… I think women have done there penance for that made up story already…
Do the German’s owe an apology to the Jews?
How about the Cambodian Government? Do they owe an apology to their people?
I’d say yes, they do.
The only difference between our stories dary11?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:34 pmMine are real- as was slavery.
dary11 Says:
“I heard Beck for about 20 minutes yesterday…He said that was one of the primary reasons we needed to control illegal immigration, because it was used to enslave Hispanics on tomato farms in Florida”
Last time i checked slaves didn’t get paid but, i’m pretty sure migrant workers picking crops in Florida do.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pmWOW. Just….WOW.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pmSo Beck doesn’t want to apologize for slavery, huh?
Maybe he could begin with a small step. Perhaps he could just apologize for being Glenn Beck. That would be a good start.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:37 pmYeah Triple- still having a hard time understanding what’s ‘unchristian’ about an apology… any thoughts?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pmdary11 Says:
“False, false, false. Urban legend. Of the seventeen Southern “Dixiecrat” Senators, only one changed parties.”
Please point out in my original post where I mentioned senators.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:41 pmInteresting how Bozo makes a good point about racist Democrats in the South, and Gigi reduces that exodus (well-documented, by the way) to a “representative sample” of seventeen elected officials.
Gigi, maybe you’d better check out how many Southern Democratic Congresspeople were replaced by Republicans in the elections of 1966 and ‘68 after Johnson pushed through the sweeping Civil Rights legislation in ‘63 and ‘64.
Then come back and report what you’ve learned.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:42 pmAnyone who doesn’t think the effects of slavery and Jimmy Crow are still having social and economic impact needs to hang out on the corner of Alameda and Central in downtown Los Angeles, or for that matter, any urban corner of a large city, for a week, and report back to us what they experienced.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pmAnd Jesus hates him some ‘pologizin… huh, Daryll?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pmDarlyy, I’m talking to and about YOU!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pmNothing surprising in re Beck, but I continue to be baffled that the anti-abortion doctor Ron Paul inspired as much support as he did. Then again, I never saw one Ron Paul sign that wasn’t standing amid overgrown weeds in front of abandoned houses.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pmDaryll Says:
Mr. Beck is right. It is nobody’s responsiblity, in this generation, to apologize for slavery to me or others who are brown-skinned/dark-skinned individuals. I was not affected by slavery, neither were the lazy welfare cases and drug dealers who claim they weren’t able to become successful because of slavery.
It’s always about you, isn’t it, Daryll? The economy is fine because you’ve got lots of money. The job market is fine because you’ve got a job. And racism doesn’t exist because you’ve lived a life of privilege. Thanks for clearing that up.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:45 pmIf that was her intent, then why did she not say a word about any legislation or policy more recent than 1968?
She said nothing about how “democrats have not been a friend to blacks in recent memory” unless by “recent memory you’re talking about 1963.
Let’s deal with the words on the page, not your fanciful reading of them. Please point out a single sentence in the article that talks about any historical event more recent than 1968.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:46 pmThat’s one of the stupidist things I’ve ever heard.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:46 pmParodyll!!!!!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:50 pmMy love, c’mon over here and give me some faux brown sugar loving!!!!
Daryll Says:
” can tell you, based on the attitudes of these residents, they are in their current position because of laziness and lack of self-reliance, not slavery or Jim Crow.”
BWAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAH
July 31st, 2008 at 4:50 pmIt has nothing to do with not having the same access to a quality education like in the ‘burbs, right? People like living in squalor, right?
I think that Becky is going after Feith’s title of “Stupidest blanker on earth”.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pmDarlyy says
“Let us move on and be accountable for our lives.”
OK, you owe my kids about $40,000 each for being a supporter of an illegitimate war that is going to cost THEM about that much to pay off well into their adult lives.
Play and pay, Mr. Accountability.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pmNobody in this generation committed slavery. Let us move on and be accountable for our lives. Listen to the words of Dr. Bill Cosby.
Baloney.
There was a documented case of slavery in LA, about seven years ago. And the slavers were American hispanics.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pmPaodyll purposely forgets the fact that the Dixiecrats became Republican.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:51 pmNow shake that fine piece of faux brown booty for me!!!!
Amen, during those times Democrats wanted to maintain segregation. Also, it was a Republican who abolished slavery.
And the Constitution.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pmNobody in this generation committed slavery.
Actually, slavery is a growing problem but I see where you’re going…
July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pmNobody who’s still alive heard Jesus speak, and yet I’d bet you’d argue his words still affect us in the present… is it harder to believe that something as hateful as slavery as recent as 1860 would still affect us in the present?
Daryll Says:
Mr. Beck is right. It is nobody’s responsiblity, in this generation, to apologize for slavery to me or others who are brown-skinned/dark-skinned individuals. I was not affected by slavery, neither were the lazy welfare cases and drug dealers who claim they weren’t able to become successful because of slavery.
Great, let’s apply this to Christianity’s Original Sin. Why am I a sinner just because Eve took a bite of the apple?
July 31st, 2008 at 4:53 pmDaryll Says:
Amen, during those times Democrats wanted to maintain segregation. Also, it was a Republican who abolished slavery.
It’s just too bad that the Republican party of 1861 was nothing at all like the Republican party of 1968 or 2008. Y’all need to read about Nixon’s Southern Strategy. Try the Wikipedia article for starters.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pm
Well, Daryll, I’e worked with some of these people who were in prison and gangs and who have turned their lives around. They will be the first ones to tell you that laziness has nothing to do with the way their lives have turned out, nor does a lack of self-reliance. The conditions in the neighborhoods, in their homes, the lack of employment, the inability to choose freely where to live, the lack of community resources and especially, screwed up home lives are the reasons they drifted toward gangs and landed in prison.
These are not people who blame others for their troubles. They may have at one time, but now they recognize that the conditions in which they grew up were completely antithetical to healthy moral development. In short, they hardly had a chance. Their stories are not unique, except for the fact that they’ve been able to overcome their stories and help others.
But anyone who blames poverty on “laziness” — they’re the ones being lazy. Lazy and self-satisfied. And decidedly unChristian.
But then, we knew that.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:54 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
Last time i checked slaves didn’t get paid but, i’m pretty sure migrant workers picking crops in Florida do.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:35 pm
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Yes, but not much. They usually earn about $7/day, most of which goes to paying rent for their rodent-infested cot in the plantation’s barracks, paying off the massive debt they owe the coyote who brought them across the border, and buying food and water from the store usually owned by one of the relatives of the plantation owner. So their net pay is zero, sometimes less than zero. And while they may not be kept in shackles and chains, it’s made very clear to these migrant workers that they are not to attempt to escape or contact authorities unless they want an “accident” to happen to one of their children in Guatemala or Oxaca.
So, yeah, it’s slavery. And it still happens today.
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Daryll Says:
Illegal immigrants are not slaves. They are criminals. They weren’t unwillfully brought to this country.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:44 pm
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Guess you’ve never heard of trafficking, huh?
Nice Christian compassion, though. You’re a real saint.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:55 pmOh yeah? Ever hear of the Marianas Islands?
Ask Duke Cunningham about it. I think he can accept visitors now.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pmIt is amazing to me that if Glen Beck says something – even something totally outrageous and wrong, our trolls rush to his defense. No quarrel with what he said, no ‘parsing’ of his true intentions – just blind loyalty.
Goose-stepping morons following a failed sports guy over the edge of sanity. Do you guys need a push!
July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pmOOOHOOHOO, Daryll keeps whipping out his wikipedia and showing it to us. Apparently this assclown didn’t read the caveat emptor Wikipedia posted at the top of his “source,”
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Fair enough. But it looks like you can’t back up your assertion about the article, huh?
I think the most profound apology is the effort to make things better for the aggrieved. the Democratic Party has a decent record of that over the past forty years.
The Republican Party, not so much.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:59 pmDaryll Says:
“Has your child recently felt the affects of a terrorist attack?”
Thanks for asking, yes, they have. Because of a home-grown reichwing-whack job terrorist gunning up a church, my kids are afraid to go to church.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:59 pm#78 -dary11 – did you even BOTHER to read the link you posted to the Dixicrats? Or does history evade your understanding?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:01 pmQuick quiz.
Q. How did Germany achieve a position of world leadership after WW2?
A. By spending 60 years apologizing for past wrongs.
The fact is that taking responsibility for things like slavery, genocide of the Native Americans, and invading the wrong effing country, will make us stronger. The sooner we realize that, the sooner we awake from our national nightmare.
However, the “party of accountability”, through their stubborn refusal to accept any degree of responsibility for anything, is determined to turn us into a tyrannical power. So long as they exist as a political body? We are doomed to a policy of frightened isolation and arrogant expansion. For our mentally challenged trolls, those are incompatible goals which weaken our entire nation.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:02 pmDaryll,
So I’m on the hook for the apple but you’re scott free on the slavery issue?
More of your I-got-mine Christianity?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:03 pmEver heard of the Thirteenth Amendment?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:06 pmDaryll:
Proof?
Suspension of habeaus, illegal wiretapping of american citizens, abrogating Geneva conventions, to name a few we know about.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:08 pmTeleman,
July 31st, 2008 at 5:09 pmThe way I see it, original sin refers to women who give births to the like of darylls who have yet to learn the fine art of “swallowing the evidence”
Daryll actually seems to believe that if he’d been brought up in a project in the Bronx by a single mom who very easily could have had substance abuse problems (being lonely living in a project can have that effect) that he would have turned out just as successful as he is now.
Yikes.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pmGlenn Speck is an affront to all of humanity………..
July 31st, 2008 at 5:10 pmBozo The Neoclown Says:
Daryll Says:
“Has your child recently felt the affects of a terrorist attack?”
Thanks for asking, yes, they have. Because of a home-grown reichwing-whack job terrorist gunning up a church, my kids are afraid to go to church.
Mine too. Daryll is not a christian – in any sense of the word. His true feelings for his fellow human beings is clear as can be. Jesus turned the other cheek. Jesus assisted the less fortunate. Jesus gave his own life for our salvation.
Daryll is the anti-christ.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pmDaryll Says:
There are libraries all over the United States. No excuse. Tell those hoodlums to separate from the negative crowd and prepare themselves for life.
Sez the man who went to college on his Grand-daddy’s trust-fund.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:12 pmDaryll Says:
Again, they are not being brought here through American will. They have over-stayed their welcome.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:02 pm
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You don’t consider the profit motive of American agribusiness conglomerates “American will?”
Or is it just “Christian self-reliance?”
July 31st, 2008 at 5:13 pmDaryll Says:
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Darlyy says
“Let us move on and be accountable for our lives.”
OK, you owe my kids about $40,000 each for being a supporter of an illegitimate war that is going to cost THEM about that much to pay off well into their adult lives.
Play and pay, Mr. Accountability.
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Has your child recently felt the affects of a terrorist attack? If not, you should be thanking the soldiers and the other war supporters like myself. I will apologize to you when you, a Democrat, apologize for enslaving my ancestors.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:57 pm
Should we also ‘thank’ you all for limiting/restricting the freedoms that were available to all Americans of past generations and will never be the same for future generations ?
I’ll personally thank you all …………By shipping your un-American mutt asses out of the country
July 31st, 2008 at 5:15 pmDaryll Says:
There are libraries all over the United States. No excuse. Tell those hoodlums to separate from the negative crowd and prepare themselves for life.
Do you have the slightest inkling of what “life” is or like in the ghetto/projects , you ignorant , self-aggrandizing , pampered pansy ?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:18 pmHmm, St D. I do apologize, not as a Democrat, but as a human being and an American who is totally ashamed of what my ancestors did, not only in enslaving blacks in the south, but also in committing genocide against the aboriginal peoples of North America.
Now, where’s my $80 grand for my kids to pay off the debt that your chymperor racked up in Iraq?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:19 pmDaryll, 3 simple questions.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:21 pmWhy wouldn’t Jesus apologize for the years of suffering?
What does an apology cost?
Why is Jesus still relevant but slavery old news?
Or we could act like Evangelicons and simply kill them but I don’t think it will come to that. The corruption of the Evangelicons, brought on by their acquisition of a degree of power, will relegate them to the trash heap along with their Puritan ancestors. Corrupt Faiths don’t usually work any better than corrupt governments.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:22 pmTeleMan Says:
Daryll Says:
There are libraries all over the United States. No excuse. Tell those hoodlums to separate from the negative crowd and prepare themselves for life.
Sez the man who went to college on his Grand-daddy’s trust-fund.
Respectfully, I don’t believe Daryll went to any college, at least one that is accredited. He may have purchased some cliffnotes books so he can appear current, but let’s face it; Daryll doesn’t display the qualities which I would attribute to a formal education.
Nope. I don’t buy one bit. He may have been pampered. That happens when Mom and Dad feel their child is ’special’, and requires additional support to overcome the taunting of his classmates. He may be special, just not in a good way.
Educated people do not listen to and parrot Glen beck’s screeds. They just don’t. Homeschooled bedwetters listen to and parrot Glen Beck’s screeds.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:24 pmIs it not ironic that someone who would gladly eliminate all science, and most anything remotely “secular”, from public schools would express concern about education.
Here’s a newsflash. IGNORANT FUNDIES HAVE NO PLACE IN DISCUSSIONS ABOUT EDUCATION!!!
Silly tit.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:26 pmExcellent point, StratRat. Parroting Glenn “the stupidest warm blooded creature on television” Beck should, not only, disqualify one from the discussion, it should be grounds for banishment to Monster Island!
At the risk of sounding like I’m promoting eugenics, we really need to take measures to eliminate those particular strands of DNA from the gene pool. I just can’t imagine a teaching method which can cure that level of stupidity.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:32 pmTripleKick X Says:
“Its pretty clear that democrats as a party owe blacks a big apology.”
We’ll do you one better… unless there is there a black Republican Presidential candidate that I’m somehow unaware of.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:32 pm666lattes Says:
TripleKick X Says:
“Its pretty clear that democrats as a party owe blacks a big apology.”
We’ll do you one better… unless there is there a black Republican Presidential candidate that I’m somehow unaware of.
No, no, no. TripleIck claims to be a “libertarian.” So we’re referring to the Black Libertarian candidate . . .
July 31st, 2008 at 5:33 pmDon’t put words on my pen. I don’t think the house apology was “necessary” but I think it was worthwhile, especially seeing as it wasn’t JUST for slavery but also for discrimination as embodied in Jim Crow laws that were only made illegal in my lifetime.
I trust you hold the same amount of outrage as you express here for the waste of time that Joe LIEberman introduced in the Senate commending the Success of The Surge™, no?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:34 pmThere is no 100% black Democratic Presidential candidate either.
Lame.
Just.
Lame.
(btw, you guys are really, really scared of losing, huh?)
July 31st, 2008 at 5:39 pmPS- you should be scared.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:40 pmWell, it’s a lot easier to pretend to be Libertarian than owning up to the failure of this Administration. That’s for sure. I mean, with all of these Libertarians around nowadays, you’d never know that people actually voted for this mess, actual “irregularities” aside.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:40 pmThat would be important if Democrats focused on race.
I suppose it still may be important to others who focus on race…
July 31st, 2008 at 5:40 pmdary11,
So, you’re in the “Obama’s not black enough” crowd, I see. Which candidate do you support, btw?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:42 pmdary11 Says:
There is no 100% black Democratic Presidential candidate either.
Jesus wouldn’t care what color a person was. Seems you do care what color Obama is. Is this another example of you turning away from Jesus and his teachings? Yep.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:44 pmOf course, operating under the assumption I’m a good deal older than Daryll, I will get to talk to God first. I’ll be sure to tell Him about Daryll. Let’s see…
1. Disrespecting elders. That’s a sin.
2. Passing judgment on others. That’s a sin.
3. Overstaying his welcome. That’s a sin.
4. False prophesying. That’s a sin.
5. Facilitating and celebrating the murder of innocents. That’s a sin.
And that’s just the teaser. The really sad part? Daryll’s stunted intellect won’t allow him to confess those sins, so, all indications point to Daryll spending eternity in Hell for his arrogance and lack of compassion. And it wouldn’t have to happen if he actually tried to comprehend the Buy-bull instead of just skimming for the parts which support his lust for hate.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:44 pmTripleKick X Says:
“The success of the The Surge is obvious to all ”
So, there has been sufficient political progress and we can now leave Iraq? Or, do you mean that it was a success in ways other than the stated goal?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pmThe Surge is obvious to all but the most stubborn partisans and I think Joe just wants to rub their nose in their urine.
What makes you believe the SERGE was successful? tick, tock, tick, tock…….
July 31st, 2008 at 5:45 pmOT-
Why are we in Iraq?
July 31st, 2008 at 5:48 pmOT-
Why are we in Iraq?
Bush and Cheney’s ego and wealth….
July 31st, 2008 at 5:51 pm#
StratRat Says:
OT-
Why are we in Iraq?
Bush and Cheney’s ego and wealth….
July 31st, 2008 at 5:51 pm
And the unifying influence of a common enemy. The PNACers fed us the Muslims just like Hitler fed the Jews to the Germans.
July 31st, 2008 at 5:56 pmOT-
July 31st, 2008 at 5:58 pmWhy is Beck still on the air?
His ratings are terrible,
his rantings are worse,
why does CNN prop up this Top 40 Dj with philosopher pretentions but wading pool depth and asphalt reflection?
Glenn Beck is a Mormon. Isn’t that “a front” to the princples of Christianity.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:04 pmTripleKick X Says:
ralph,
Yep, the lieberman surge commendation thing is also a waste of time. The success of the The Surge is obvious to all but the most stubborn partisans and I think Joe just wants to rub their nose in their urine. There must be better things to do.
So, can you explain to us how the surge is a success. How many of the benchmarks have the Iraqis successfully completed (not just sticking their toes in the water, having completed). None? Well then, I guess that the Surge isn’t a success. I don’t remember the surge being defined as “achieving lower troop fatalities”, because that’s all you are basing your “success” on. And that is the result of entirely different things than the escalation of troops. We are paying them not to shoot at our troops, we are keeping our troops on the bases and the Shites have completed their ethnic cleansing of the neighborhoods of Baghdad. Then there’s the truce al Sadar called. And finally, troop deaths are always lower in the summer because it is hotter than the hinges of hades and everyone stays inside. Take away all those things and I’m betting that the death toll for our troops would be right back up there.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:06 pmTo be more precise, StratRat… Bush’s ego and Cheney’s wealth.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:14 pmWhat’s great about the “surge is a success” meme is that we can apply the same logic to withdrawal. For every horror McSpin makes up, ala “if we had left when Obama wanted to, AQI would possess the oil fields”, we get to respond, “if we had left in 03 Iraq would be the second leading economy in the world and would be so grateful they would give us half their oil for free”.
Both statements have equal value because both are based on hypothetical conditions which did not, do not, and can not, exist.
PS. We must also never neglect to remind the Reichwingers that casualties went up, dramatically, for several months of the escalation. This implies the current reduction is dependent on other factors.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:19 pmok, DARLYY, Where’s my effing 80 large? (see # 137)
July 31st, 2008 at 6:42 pmTripleKick X Says,
So, there was sufficient political progress made because of the “surge”? Beyond agreeing that they want us out, that is…
“LOL” indeed.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:47 pmI suppose Becky and the trolls are convinced that we will never need to pay for INVADING THE WRONG EFFING COUNTRY either.
BTW. I’ve read the BOM, Becky. Anyone who Believes a word of that (bleep) should not be classified as “sentient”. And anyone who would consider the input of such a simpering idiot should just be ashamed of themselves.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:52 pmAmerican casualties are down in Iraq because the troops aren’t patrolling the streets. That doesn’t seem to validate that the surge is working. If it’s working why are the Generals not letting them out on the streets? And are Iraqi casualties down? I don’t think so. And there’d be even less American casualties if the troops weren’t there at all.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:56 pmTripleKick X Says:
Who cares, most of us choose not to read the links provided by officious, lying trolls.
July 31st, 2008 at 6:58 pma. Completion of ethnic cleansing.
b. Growth of Iraqi security forces.
c. Bribery.
d. Sadrist stand down.
e. Exhaustion.
f. A 9% increase in offensive U.S. combat strength.
g. Formation of new alliances.
h. Redeployment to the new hot front of Afghanistan.
And I could go on. Yet, despite all those things, civilian casualties have gone up for three consecutive months and June was a bloodier month than June of 04, 05, or 06. And violence in Afghanistan has increased by orders of magnitude.
So. Please remind me. What success are they blathering about?
EXTRA CREDIT: WTF does the surge have to do with acknowledging a great shame in our country’s past? And how could that possibly be damaging to our future?
July 31st, 2008 at 7:03 pmRight on pete!
I especially liked this bit…
EXTRA CREDIT: WTF does the surge have to do with acknowledging a great shame in our country’s past? And how could that possibly be damaging to our future?
July 31st, 2008 at 7:06 pmTripleKick X Says:
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Shaynerd, that’s precisely why TP is a wasteland of uninformed and angry “progressives”.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:00 pm
In direct contrast to FAUX viewing , lying partisan GOP tools such as yourself ?
There are bricks more well informed and far more intelligent than you…
July 31st, 2008 at 7:11 pmSometimes I get kinda irked when people assert that we just invaded Iraq willie nillie.
No, we were pretty determined to invade Iraq all along, you’re right there Triple… Bush definetly invaded the country he wanted to.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:13 pmwhat was willie nillie was the execution of the invasion, the planning of the occupation, and the justification of the operation… all of those things were sadly lacking and extremely amateurish.
Too bad the country Bush wanted to invade had nothing to do with terrorism before the invasion, though.
Oh, no, we didn’t invade “willie nillie”.
We invaded “georgie dicky”. Pretty much the same thing, actually.
It’s funny how much stock you guys put in UN resolutions when it seems to suit you, considering how revered was interim ambassador John Bolton who suggested blowing up –how many storesi? Ten? — from the UN building.
Really funny.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:14 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
And finally, troop deaths are always lower in the summer because it is hotter than the hinges of hades and everyone stays inside.
Just totally wrong, Bilbo, and easy to prove it so.
http://icasualties.org/oif/
Summer has nothing to do with casualties, every summer month in 2007 US deaths topped 80 a month as the surge was beginning. A year later, we have won and you and Obama just can’t admit it.
Take away all those things and I’m betting that the death toll for our troops would be right back up there.
You are betting and Obama is hoping. He has no answer for the drop in violence. Nothing would make him happier than carnage in Iraq this fall – it would assure him victory. A sad place to be.
What if ZERO Americans died in Iraq in October 08? Would that make Obama happy or not? Can you answer that honestly?
July 31st, 2008 at 7:15 pmTripleKick X Says:
Shaynerd, that’s precisely why TP is a wasteland of uninformed and angry “progressives”.
And yet, here you are.
Don’t get me wrong, going round and round with you can be good, but why are on earth would you stay – and keep returning to the place which is full of uniformed progressives? Is it that you have nowhere else to go? Or do you believe we can be convinced of your ‘deal leaders’ wisdom and divine guidance? It has to one or the other.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:17 pmShayne Says:
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American casualties are down in Iraq because the troops aren’t patrolling the streets. That doesn’t seem to validate that the surge is working. If it’s working why are the Generals not letting them out on the streets? And are Iraqi casualties down? I don’t think so. And there’d be even less American casualties if the troops weren’t there at all.
The opposite of all you say is true. Petraues counter-insurgency plan got our troops out of huge bases and into the neighborhoods. That caused an increase in casualties at first, and now the the improved security.
As for Iraqi casualties, they too are down.
http://icasualties.org/oif/IraqiDeaths.aspx
July 31st, 2008 at 7:21 pmet tu Keltoi? Are you really going to plunge into the sewer with Tribbleprick? For shame!
July 31st, 2008 at 7:22 pmPoor little POS trolls.
Note, class, how they swarm to a subject they can’t defend and try to derail, with varying success, the topic? Notice how they desperately try to equate a rare, and tenuous, “success” to a truly great failure?
But the true troll always falls to the same inherent defect. They always return to another indefensible topic rather than honorably admit defeat on the first.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:29 pmKeltoi the answer for the drop in violence is threefold: the Surge™, neighborhoods successfully ethnically cleansed over the previous two years of villence, and large cash payments to warlords. Of these, i would guess that The Surge™ is probably the least responsible.
I suspect if there were no deaths in Iraq in October it would make all Americans happy, including Obama. It would mean our troops could come home.
(BushCo has screwed up so much that McCain would be fighting an uphill battle with or without Iraq, even if he didn’t keep making that hill steeper with his abysmal campaigning.)
July 31st, 2008 at 7:35 pmTripleKick X Says:
“Regardless, the sucess has been widely reported, even in liberal news sources. You guys were just wrong about the surge, but that’s ok, no one’s perfect.
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/ tol/ comment/ leading_article/ article2796318.ece”
AAAHhhhhhh dribblydick, you might want to get back on your meds if you for a skinny minute any “source” you provide owned by News Corporation (the parent company of faux noise) is “liberal” in any way, shape, or form. But, thanks for playing.
http://www.londontimes.com/
July 31st, 2008 at 7:40 pmpete Says:
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et tu Keltoi? Are you really going to plunge into the sewer with Tribbleprick? For shame!
Actually, Pete, I am busy making a sweet suit of Scythian armor and just checked in. Bilbo saying that casualties were down cause it was too hot for Arabs to fight in Arabia and Shayne saying Iraqi casualties weren’t down were just too much when both are just simply, factually wrong.
Back to the lamellar.
K-out.
July 31st, 2008 at 7:45 pmGlen Beck is a Mormon, what does he know about Christianity?
July 31st, 2008 at 7:54 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
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Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
And finally, troop deaths are always lower in the summer because it is hotter than the hinges of hades and everyone stays inside.
Just totally wrong, Bilbo, and easy to prove it so.
http://icasualties.org/oif/
Summer has nothing to do with casualties, every summer month in 2007 US deaths topped 80 a month as the surge was beginning. A year later, we have won and you and Obama just can’t admit it.
So, you’re basing that on last summer alone?
Sounds like a little cherry-picking’s going on.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:43 pmI was going to say some dumb stupid things but Daryll and dribbledick have that taken care of already.
July 31st, 2008 at 8:56 pmIs it true that Glenn Beck, as a born-again Mormon, has to serve the Manichewitz wine at all his boss’s bar mitzvahs?
July 31st, 2008 at 9:03 pmI think CNN owes us all an apology for affronting us with Glenn Beck’s presence on the air at all.
July 31st, 2008 at 9:16 pmNote also, our summer trolls seem to disappear about the time one would expect Mommy get’s home from work. Coincidence?
July 31st, 2008 at 10:02 pmNot even Jesus would sit down to a beer with Glen Beck.
July 31st, 2008 at 11:14 pmHey liberals.
I apoligize for my great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandfather comming to America to help the revolution that gave this great country its start. I know that the freedom that this country gives its citizens is far too much for you to handle. I know that you had hoped our founding patriots were much more socialist or communist in their views.
Sorry about that.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:01 amBy the way.
I am so sorry to PETA that my great-great-great grandfather (who has been dead for a very long time) walked across the plains and killed a buffalo or two to feed his family.
Sorry PETA.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:04 amohh crud,
I left out the environmentalists. Sorry to you that my great-great grandfather (who is dead) bought and drove a Model-T Ford that spewed carbon in the air.
Sorry environmentalists.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:07 amTimmeh, the only apology you need to make is for being such a twerp.
That’s really the only thing we’ll hold you accountable for here at TP.
(Of course, all of your moronic opinions, factual misstatements and lame attempts at humor are included in that one failing.)
August 1st, 2008 at 12:15 amSlavery and the by-products of slavery (jim crow, segregation, DWB etc) still affect African-Americans to this day. An apology is a good start but isn’t a final chapter on racism.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:15 amOhh crud again. I left out the African Americans.
I am sooo sorry that the democrats started the KKK that killed so many of your people… http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=9a0_1211006548
Even though my great-great grandfather (who is dead now) was a Republican and had absolutely nothing to do with the hateful democrats, I apologize.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:17 amCommon ralph. We should be apologizing for everything that dead people did well before we were born. Isn’t that the political expedient thing to do? The PC thing to do?ou
What a bunch of crap.
This is what our politicians are spending their time on while the country goes to he@!?
While Iran is testing missles that can carry a nuclear warhead, our politicians are issuing apologies for something that they had no part in.
While our boarders are wide open and only God knows who is coming in, our politicians are worried about topics like this?
While 700 billion is leaving this country every year because of our dependence on foreign oil, our politicians are worried about history?
And you liberals think bigger government will solve all of your problems?
August 1st, 2008 at 12:25 amRalph,
You should tattle tale on me to my sponsors so that you can get me taken off the internet, like you leninist useful idiots are doing to Savage :-)
I know how much your kind hates different opinions.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:28 amtim even one of your heroes, loofahboy was shocked that African-Americans are civil. So according to your idols African-Americans became civil last year.
All one has to do is read repug’s blogs and know racism is well and alive.
Next look how these racist aholes are treating people of color; war, rape, looting, lying, murder ya name it.
tim, face it your party is dangerous.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:29 amGame of Life Says:
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Slavery and the by-products of slavery (jim crow, segregation, DWB etc) still affect African-Americans to this day. An apology is a good start but isn’t a final chapter on racism.
Funny how you libs talk about racism. In fact, you libs are the only ones keeping it at the forefront of social consiousness. Seems to me, everyone else has already gotten past it. It took a Rupublican (Lincoln) to break ground and force you dems to stop the racism.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:31 amGame of life…
Racism will always be with us no matter how hard you try to change it. However, racism in the liberal context is pointed squarely at the so called evil conservative white man. And nothing could be further from the truth.
All races have racist elements. All races play the race card. Just listen to Obama’s favorite rapper ludacris http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/30/AR2008073002960.html Do you think ludacris likes whitey?
Africans Americans are just as guilty of racism as Hispanics and Whites.
But after listening to you liberals one would surmise that the white man is the only racist.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:40 amYeah, the black man’s really been keepin’ us down. Amen my good man!
August 1st, 2008 at 12:42 amWow… and winner of the Confused Idiot of Night Award is…
***drum roll…***
(Envelope being opened…)
Tim43!!!!!!!
Much applause… confetti released… flashbubls going off.
Com’on on down, son, and get yer prize!
August 1st, 2008 at 12:49 amI apologize to all of those born into more privileged circumstances who feel threatened, or feel repressed guilt due to my existence. Sorry about that.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:56 amer’ once again I must apologize.
This time I apologize to the liberals. I mistakenly believed that you could understand the stupidity of apologizing for something that you had absolutely no control over.
I mistakenly believed that you liberals would understand that there are more pressing issues that the government should be focused on right now other than apologizing for political expedience
My mistake, I forgot that I was talking to liberals.
August 1st, 2008 at 12:57 amIt’s a government apology, not a personal apology. I don’t think the apology took too much time or effort away from pressing issues.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:01 amThis time I apologize to the liberals. I mistakenly believed that you could understand the stupidity of apologizing for something that you had absolutely no control over.
But you could acknowledge the benefits you’ve gotten from the racist system. That’s not too much to ask.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:06 amI mistakenly believed that you liberals would understand that there are more pressing issues that the government should be focused on right now other than apologizing for political expedience
Like what? Drilling in ANWR? That scam is already falling flat, with dropping gas prices.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:07 amCome on Tim, is that all ya got?
August 1st, 2008 at 1:14 amSome black men keep themselves down just as some white men keep themselves down, hussien. You can thank the likes of Louis Farrakhan, Jesse Jackson and his side kick Al Sharpton for keeping many black men down. They continually preach to their listeners to be victims and blame the white man for all of their social ills.
Lets be real folks, when you blame someone else for your ills, you never learn to take responsibility for yourself. Thus, you never learn how to rise above dependence.
There are plenty of black men that have shunned this message and risen above the dependence and the victimhood that the hate filled rappers, black social leaders and the democratic party keeps them under. Slavery has not existed for 150 years but according to you liberals we supposed to apologize to those who have not risen above dependence?
Sounds like guilty white liberalism to me. Makes sense given that the majority of slave owners were democrats.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:23 amInstitutionalized chattel slavery hasn’t existed in the U.S. for over 150 years, but government-backed discrimination existed into the early 1970’s. Up until then racial covenants were often required by the FHA before housing developers could receive government insured loans.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:35 ambarfly Says:
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Like what? Drilling in ANWR? That scam is already falling flat, with dropping gas prices.
You think that high oil prices are just simply going to go away? This is a temporary drop barfly? What happens in five years? Ten years? Would you continue to have us send 700 Billion to countries that hate us? Or, would you consider drilling for our own resources thus keeping the billions here in America?
You can add, guarding our borders and protecting our country from ANYONE entering, especially terrorists.
Additionally, deal with the Iranian missle tests from tankers recently that will eventually be pointed at a US city from the Atlantic or Pacific. Remember, they want a world without American and Isreal. Do you what that too barfly?
How about dealing with our overcrowded schools and teaching our kids math and science rather than pushing social issues down their throats? I know tha you libs like that topic.
Nah, why would the politicians want to deal with any of the important topics when they can simply keep the focus on race while continuing to do absolutely nothing?
August 1st, 2008 at 1:37 amer’ yeah, you mean racist programs like the reverse discrimination of “affirmative action” that was started in the 60’s?
August 1st, 2008 at 1:43 amtim, get some clifnotes and read up on your idol lincoln.
you will be surprised at how racist idol was.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:44 amYeah right Game of Life.
Can you also teach me about the Republican Martin Luther King while I am searching for my book on the “racist” Abraham Lincoln.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:49 amOn a roll. Silly but still on a roll…
August 1st, 2008 at 1:55 amhahahaha
tim you are funny and a typical repug. What was allen, anus, and the rest of your ilk calling people of color. You know damn well repugs, including paul are dangerous to the people of the world.
Only people with power can be racist. People who invade and occupy other’s land are your bedfellows.
This is why your racist repugs are going down. Don’t cry and lie.
Look how racist and lonely you are.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:56 amNo, Tim, I mean exclusion from decent housing, courtesy of the U.S. government. Also there was exclusion from entire towns and counties, enforced by local police, into the 1970’s.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:57 amGettin’ tired Tim?
August 1st, 2008 at 2:15 amWait guys, next timmy will say African-Americans are treated fairly when it come to hiring them as firefighters and cops.
Name one white person who has been shot over 50 times because of a cellphone or wallet.
How many whites are raped with a plunger by officers of the law?
How many Canadians are beaten because they crossed the border?
These are norms for racist like you.
The Quakers and the abolitionists are the first people to apology for slavery. I know there wasn’t any in your inbred family.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:19 amTim, Did you ever notice how there were no black quarterbacks or coaches in the NFL when we were kids? Do you think that the required motor skills and intelligence have only recently been acquired by black men?
August 1st, 2008 at 2:21 amTim43 Says:
Yeah right Game of Life.
Can you also teach me about the Republican Martin Luther King while I am searching for my book on the “racist” Abraham Lincoln.
There you go lying and crying again.
You should be tired, timmy. Defending racism is tiresome.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:24 amI am sort of bummed that I missed his run. Looks pretty amusing
August 1st, 2008 at 2:24 am.
Who was Jesus’ slave that He need not apologize for?
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August 1st, 2008 at 2:25 amTim, It’s never too late to learn or to improve your critical thinking skills.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:30 amHe went to mommy to cry his eyes out. We probably shocked him with all the truthiness.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:11 amTim43 Says:
You think that high oil prices are just simply going to go away? This is a temporary drop barfly? What happens in five years? Ten years? Would you continue to have us send 700 Billion to countries that hate us? Or, would you consider drilling for our own resources thus keeping the billions here in America?
There are hundreds of already-drilled wells, that were capped by the oil companies in the late Seventies. That oil is still sitting there, waiting for extraction. The only reason it hasn’t been refined, is the high sulphur content of the crude, which would require an investment, to upgrade present facilities to handle it. This drilling push is a scam, to get at the easier-to-refine crude in ANWR, and the coasts.
You’re a dupe.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:16 amAdditionally, deal with the Iranian missle tests from tankers recently that will eventually be pointed at a US city from the Atlantic or Pacific. Remember, they want a world without American and Isreal. Do you what that too barfly?
They aren’t that crazy. They know what we would do in retaliation – regardless of who’s president.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:19 amRecently I read a book The Slave Trade by Hugh Thomas. A couple of facts from the book.
Slaves accounted for 3/4 of West Africas exports in 1807. Africans were exporting their own people for profit. The abolition of the slave trade by Britain, and the US in 1807 hit African nations hard economically. Muslims considered the Christian behaviour was an attack on Islam. There were in fact more African slaves in Africa than in the Americas. Slaves used to be sacrificed upon the death of an African king. In fact, white men were taken as slaves in Northern Africa, sold by pirates, but in much fewer numbers of course. That was African culture then. Not much better than American culture. Perhaps if this were taught people would be more forgiving of the past.
A total of 11,328,000 slaves were delivered to the Americas from Africa. Only five hundred thousand went to North America, the vast majority before we broke free from the British.
During the Revolution, the British were short of troops and had to recruit mercenaries, which included runaway slaves.
After the war, the newly formed US had inherited 500,000 slaves. Most were 2nd and 3rd generation. Keep in mind, the US did not include all of North America, there were large numbers of slaves in Spanish and French controlled territories that were not part of the US at the time and which were later absorbed as we expanded.
The constitution in 1787 prevented Congress from taking action until 1807, a delay of 20 years, preferring the states take a lead. Keep in mind this was a young country, with a Federal Government that was not very well organized, and not very powerful to enforce the few laws it had. It did however make the slave trade to foreign ports illegal. In 1807, Congress made it illegal to import slaves into the US starting from 1808, and made it illegal for any citizen to invest in the trade elsewhere. The handling of freed slaves was left to the states, and slavery was not completely abolished until after the Civil War.
Now, the KKK and treatment of the blacks after the Civil War was not good, no question. The KKK was organized by British loyaltists in the South angered at their loss and who sought to keep America weak, and also in part to intolerance that was prevalent in the 19th century globally. Our country expanded as a result of our Manifest Destiny for crying out loud. Many people in America have been treated poorly in our history, Irish- Italians-Chinese -Japanese-Jews-Catholics-Muslims- Native Americans- Mexicans. Except for the Native Americans, through no fault of their own, most have assimilated well and do not dwell on their ancestors past ill treatment.
America was not a kind country to those who were not well off or different, and is not much better today. The main difference is the elite see all of those below them as slaves, beasts which they have turned into debt slaves. The beasts that make good slaves and pay off their debt will get to stick around.
Apologies for mistakes done in the past are cheap. Take a look at the incarcertation rate of blacks relative to whites. Almost 45% of the prison population is black, and the USA has the highest incarceration rate in the world. End the foolish war on drugs. This is something that can done today, instead we talk about slavery which was a common practice for thousands of years. Even our native Americans had slaves (just not black ones).
August 1st, 2008 at 5:02 amI knew there would be a clog justifying slavery by stating it wasn’t all that bad and Africans had slaves too.
GMAFB
Rape, murder, lynching, treating people worse than garbage, castration, segregation, laws and more are on the US hands.
Do you know tens of thousands died before reaching north Am.? Do you know people in NA could smell slave ships before reaching here?
Screw you.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:14 amThose big-hearted founders prohibited the importation of slaves so that the value of their own slaves would increase. How patriotic!
August 1st, 2008 at 10:12 amJust what would Glen Beck, a Mormon, know about Christianity?
Just what would Glen Beck, a neoconservative, know about the teachings of Jesus?
Glen, have you ever read the Sermon on the Mount? (Oh, yeah… that’s in the Bible, not the “Book of Mormon”.) What part of Jesus’ teachings do you really know? Can you cite a single example of Jesus’ teachings on how people should treat one another, how the rich and strong have a responsibility to the poor and weak?
Glen Beck is a professional hater. He’s not on the air because he is an intelligent, educated person. He’s on the air because his antics and ignorance (for some stupid reason) pull in lots of listeners and the stations that broadcast his screeds can sell lots of advertising. Beck makes his money on the backs of those who he rails against. Just like Limpballs and Insanity and the rest, he’s a parasite on the body politic and has nothing whatsoever to contribute to society.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:16 am“dary11 Says
July 31st, 2008 at 4:13 pm
Agreed that it is just a story. But a story with some historical truth including the enslavement of Jews by Egypt.”
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There is ZERO evidence that a people called the Hebrews ever lived in Egypt. The story of the Exodus is simply that, a story, not an actual historical event. The Egyptians were meticulous recordkeepers and to date no archaeological evidence that confirms the story of Exodus have ever been found. Don’t you think that Moses, who was supposedly adopted into the family of the Pharaoh, would have been mentioned in some record, somewhere?
Try again, dude.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:46 amChristianity has NOTHING to do with forgiveness!!!
No where in the New Testament does anyone ever say anything about forgiveness!
Glenn Beck said so, it must be true!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 11:05 amAn apology is absolutely nothing, but it amazes me how people refuse to actually want to give one. Official apologies have been issued before, i.e the Japanese who were interned during WWII. No one said a word about that. – Obvioulsy Gleen Beck is an idiot and clearly does not understand the premise. Yes, the civil war in a major part was about slavery, but remember Blacks fought and died in the civil war as well. Secondly, there were long lasting financial benefits of slavery that created wealth for many families existing today. Katie Couric epitomises this. Several years ago on the Today show the cast gave a brief history of their lineage. I was astonished regarding Katie’s story, more so that she would illustrate it publiclly. Her earliest ancestor was an Arcadian (French) who settled in Alabama and was known as an “Indian Fighter.” His children thrived as “cotton merchants.” Katie went back to the plantation and showed the unmarked graves of the former slaves. The wealth of Katies family was initially generated off the backs of their slaves, this enabled her family to prosper, provided her with the financing for college at Univ. of Virginia (which was built by slaves), etc., etc… Does the media not know the how slavery benefitted this country? Why is it when the issue of apology or God forbid reparations are discussed everyone dummies up?
Third, Jim Crow this heinous aparthied system existed after the Civil War! My grandparents and father had to endure this system and survived. My Father attended a state midwestern university (before affirmative action) in the 1940’s. He was not allowed to live in the dormitories, because he tended to have more melenin in his skin and broader phenotypical features. Sadly through state taxes by which my grandparents and he paid into these dorms were created and maintained. How can he recoup his investment into the system when he was disallowed from living in the residences he helped finance, simply because of his race? This certain University continues to call him wanting donations. After describing the way he was treated by administrators and professors, the caller insists things have changed and that they are sorry. As he slams down the phone he exclaims – “IT’S TOO LATE” My sentiments exactly regarding any apology!
Lastly – As this issue is discuss I guess no one is to blame. No one existed before the Civil Rights act of 1964 and MLK died in vain!
August 1st, 2008 at 11:55 amRUCerious Says:
Anyone who doesn’t think the effects of slavery and Jimmy Crow are still having social and economic impact needs to hang out on the corner of Alameda and Central in downtown Los Angeles, or for that matter, any urban corner of a large city, for a week, and report back to us what they experienced.
July 31st, 2008 at 4:43 pm
bit would give this a resounding…huh?
What could one possibly see on a corner of Alameda and Central that would demonstrate the results of slavery and Jim Crow?
Perhaps what you see is simply what happens when kids are raised without a father. bit doesn’t know but thinks the even money says that the children of irresponsible men will also be irresponsible.
bit also thinks this remark applies to all races.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:43 pmMiMiCcs Says:
August 1st, 2008 at 5:02 am
It’s worth noting that Lincoln says in his inaugural speech, the second one bit thinks, that the problem – slavery – was two hundred and fifty years old.
Seems the U.S. inherited it, but didn’t create it.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:46 pmBecause I obviously have to say it or I’ll be understood not to think that way, Beck is wrong. An apology is not an affront to Christianity. It is necessary.
However, it’s obvious that this story is being carried in such a way as to imply that slavery is something Christians approve of. It screams “Misinterpret me!” All so everyone can get their knickers in a knot and starting listing all the stereotypes about those evil bigoted Christians.
As for
oldtree
christians are okay with bullshit as food and murder as policy. otherwise, they wouldn’t be a part of a group of killers.
Murder as policy–I don’t even know what that’s supposed to mean, since the Vatican condemns the war, torture, capital punishment, slavery, and abortion.
Bullshit as food–Pope Benedict XVI is against factory farming, and I am a vegan for theological reasons, myself.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pmComrade Rutherford Says:
Christianity has NOTHING to do with forgiveness!!!
Oh boy, I went to sleep too early last night.
Passage John 20:23:
23[Now having received the Holy Spirit, and being [a]led and directed by Him] if you forgive the sins of anyone, they are forgiven; if you retain the sins of anyone, they are retained.
Passage Acts 2:38:
38And Peter answered them, Repent (change your views and purpose to accept the will of God in your inner selves instead of rejecting it) and be baptized, every one of you, in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of and release from your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
Passage Colossians 3:13:
13Be gentle and forbearing with one another and, if one has a difference (a grievance or complaint) against another, readily pardoning each other; even as the Lord has [freely] forgiven you, so must you also [forgive].
Comrade, shall I go on?
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:52 amComrade Rutherford Says:
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Christianity has NOTHING to do with forgiveness!!!
No where in the New Testament does anyone ever say anything about forgiveness!
Here is some more comrade…
Passage Matthew 6:14:
14For if you forgive people their trespasses [their [a]reckless and willful sins, [b]leaving them, letting them go, and [c]giving up resentment], your heavenly Father will also forgive you.
Passage Matthew 18:35:
35So also My heavenly Father will deal with every one of you if you do not freely forgive your brother from your heart his offenses.
Passage Luke 17:4:
4And even if he sins against you seven times in a day, and turns to you seven times and says, I repent [I am sorry], you must forgive him (give up resentment and consider the offense as recalled and annulled).
Shall I go on Comrade???
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 amHey, here is a question for you self loathing America hating guilty white liberals.
if you were black, where would you rather live today, America or Africa? Where do Blacks have it better, America or Africa?
You probably hate America so much that you can’t even answer.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 amI am so sick of hearing about reparations, apologies and how awful “AFRICAN AMERICANS” are treated. Show me the person alive that was thrown into slavery, and I will be happy to apologize. EVERY ONE OF US SUFFERED IN ONE WAY OR ANOTHER. The American Indian – I owe them an apology more than anyone. Their land was stolen, we lied to them and they were slaughtered or put on reservations. Look at the Irish – the Japanese (interned just because of their race). Then we have the “reverse discrimination”. My husband denied a job because they had “quotas” to meet, when he tested at a higher level. Affirmative action can and has made up for mistakes that were made. I never hurt anyone, but don’t get the same opportunities. QUIT USING THE PAST AS A REASON TO FAIL! TAKE RESPONSIBILITY FOR WHERE YOU ARE IN LIFE AND BE GRATEFUL – NOT LOOKING FOR SOMETHING TO MAKE UP FOR A LIFE EXPERIENCE YOU ONLY READ ABOUT.
August 9th, 2008 at 7:32 am