Earlier this week, Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) noted that “making sure your tires are properly inflated” is one of the “things that you can do individually…to save energy,” adding that “we could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling, if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups.”
Last night on Fox News, former House Speaker Newt Gingrich (R-GA) expressed outrage at Obama’s comments, calling them “ludicrous” and “loony tunes”:
GINGRICH: He has a position that’s frankly ludicrous. We saw him yesterday. He suggested if we all inflated our tires, that we would solve the problem. Think about it. You ought to take that clip. I think that clip is far more devastating than today because it’s loony toons.
Watch it:
Is making sure your car tires are inflated properly to save energy and gas money “loony tunes?” The federal government doesn’t think so. Neither does the auto industry.
The Department of Energy estimates that (based on gas costing $3.96/gallon), “you can improve your gas mileage by around 3.3 percent by keeping your tires inflated to the proper pressure” which would ultimately save “up to $0.12/gallon” or, nearly the amount of the federal gas tax ($0.18/gallon), a tax Gingrich supports repealing. Moreover, the auto industry agrees with DoE’s assessment.
But more importantly, Obama is correct to suggest that inflating tires properly and getting regular tune-ups “could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling” — and by a long shot. According to the Energy Information Administration, if Congress lifted the moratorium on offshore drilling, by 2030, oil crude production in the “lower-48″ outer continental shelf will increase by about 200,000 barrels per day. By contrast, the production offset based on Obama’s proposal will likely approach 800,000 barrels per day, immediately.
So while Gingrich is touting his “Drill Here, Drill Now, Pay Less” scheme, car care can provide a real solution that would allow Americans to pay less at the pump today.
It’s the same concept as skimming. Like a phone company adding a penny to millions of phone bills. On a large scale, it does make a difference. Conservatives don’t like people using less oil.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pmNewton Gingrich has a well-documented history of going out in public and making false, outrageous, unsupportable claims about his opponents’ ideas. Newton has no basis in fact for saying this about tire inflation, but he knows that if he goes on TV and uses buzzwords designed by him and Frank Luntz, there will be people who believe him just because he says it. Don’t be surprised if Newton starts calling this idea “sick” and “pathetic”. More of the words that Newton told Republicans to call their opponents.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pmFacts and reality are ‘Loony Tunes’ to reich-wingers.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:25 pmGingrich + inflated car tires comment = A strong need for a retirement home. Man, the retarts are certainly coming out of the woodwork this summer.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:26 pmYou don’t get much past “Fact Check” Gingrich, do you. He’s just got to say the opposite of whatever Obama says, even if Obama has the data to back up his comments.
Newt and his ilk demonstrate the worst part of today’s politics. Just keep denying/contradicting whatever the opponent says because HE’S THE OPPONENT! And a good, true-red republican never let the facts get in the way of his position.
Makes Newt look like the dipwad he is. Party politics all the way and the truth/facts be damned!
August 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pmI simple IQ test as a voting requirement and republicans would never hold another elected office.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:27 pmWhat Newt really meant was, “if we conserve, the terrorists win”.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:28 pmI’d love to see Gingrich’s stock portfolio. Just guessing, but I think I’d see lots of oil stocks, with a side of speculation.
PEACE
August 1st, 2008 at 3:29 pmI don’t recall that Obama ever said that properly inflated tires would “solve the problem” all by itself — that’s just Gingrich spin. But conservation is something we can all do, whether it’s keeping our tires inflated at the proper level, keeping our cars running as efficiently as possible, not exceeding the speed limit, consolidating our car trips, and carpooling, to name a few things. The facts are on Obama’s side — it has been proven that the suggestions he’s making do cut down on gasoline consumption. Furthermore, many Americans, trying to cope with budget-busting gasoline prices are doing just that.
Yeah, something here sounds loony, but it isn’t Obama.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:32 pmNo wonder the country is in the crapper!!! How do idiots like this get elected and allowed to control our country.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pmWayne A. Schneider Says
August 1st, 2008 at 3:24 pm
Newton Gingrich has a well-documented history of going out in public and making false, outrageous, unsupportable claims about his opponents’ ideas.
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That’s because nobody ever challenges them. When are we going to get some real journalists and some real hard-hitting interviewers among our media?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pmMaybe the newter doesn’t like the harder ride inflated tires give him on his own vehicle if he is getting a hummer from his mistress on those bumpy streets in DC.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:34 pm.
This by the same man who laments that America hasn’t been attacked… again. Gingrich thinks that an attack would “shock” Americans into believing that the Republicans are good for keeping America safe. And, if his wishes were to come true, he later explains that a shadow rogue agency that is immune from civil prosecution should be allowed to violate ALL Americans Fourth Amendment Rights.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vnNDCcdpFs
R E M E M B E R:
THEY(sic) HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS…
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August 1st, 2008 at 3:36 pmI guess the newter thinks that Forbes magazine is a “looney toones” rag, too:
http://www.forbes.com/ 2008/ 04/ 22/ cars-mpg-gas-forbeslife-cx_jm_0422cars_slide_7.html?thisSpeed=15000
Gotta love our ‘Contract with Amurika” Boy!
August 1st, 2008 at 3:40 pmNewt Gingrich is the scum of the earth. I am unfortunate to live in the state and district that he “represented” during his time in Congress. He is an opportunist of the first calibre, and a serial adulterer and practically a pathological liar.
We should always remember that Gingrich resigned from Congress in disgrace after the pounding that his party took in the 1998 mid-terms, after pouring all their energies in impeaching President Clinton for lying about an extramarital affair - which, of course, several members of the Republican caucus in the House at the time were doing themselves. Oh, not to mention the spanking he got from the House Ethics Committee for his lies and faked documents related to his claiming tax-exempt status for a college course run for political purposes. In his time in the House, he racked up an astonishing total of 84 ethics charges!!
I fail to see why ANYONE would want to listen to anything that Gingrich has to say. He’s always wrong. He always chooses the losing side of an argument because he doesn’t have a clue about the reality-based world that the rest of us inhabit.
Frankly, if Newt Gingrich told me the sky is blue I would still have to go out and look for myself. I don’t think that Gingrich can tell the truth even if he knows it. What a maroon.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:41 pmGingrich and his ilk will be trying to throw everything they can think of at Obama hoping that some of it sticks. Now he’s trying out the “loony” tag.
Meanwhile, Gingrich has a new 527 that is soliciting signatures to a petition to “Drill Here Drill Now Pay Less”. I wonder how much money the oil companies have contributed to his 527?
How do those 527’s work as far as salaries go? Anyone know? Can Gingrich pay himself a big salary out of the administration costs?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:43 pmNewt reminds me of a local Reichradio host who’s comment about a proposal for more efficient street lighting was;
“What do you want to do? Make rape even easier”?
Seriously. That’s how these twisted idiots think. They are told “burn less gas” and they hear “they’re gonna take my truck away”. They are told “incandescent bulbs are wasteful” and hear “the government is going to make me rewire my house at my expense”. They are told “we have to change how we think about wasting energy” and hear “the libruls want us all to live in caves”.
There really is no way to argue with these morons. It’s up to us to vote them out of power and move on without them.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:44 pmI suppose buying that stupid Fiji water crap isn’t “Looney Tunes”. Hey can I get a little more excessive petroleum plastic on this shit over here? I need convenience damn it!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 3:46 pmthat was supposed to say petroleum based packaging. Sorry
August 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pmGingrich every 4 years announces he would consider running for President, and nobody backs him. And he just doesn’t get a clue. Nobody wants him on their team. Just curious what does he do for a living now ?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:47 pmLet the Newt also report the after McCain flip floped on off shore drilling (another of his record number of flip flops) the oil companies contributed over $800,000 to his campaign. Yea, Fox report that.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:48 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
That’s because nobody ever challenges them. When are we going to get some real journalists and some real hard-hitting interviewers among our media?
This is from FoxNews, right? Cretins like Newt know they can say anything, report any lie, no matter how outrageous and never be challenged, provided they do it on the Propaganda Network.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pmSo how do we organize to get MSM to call these idiots out? We’ve got the whole lot of “slick” republicans, adept as hell at playing the media and stirring up the undereducated guppies that hang on their every word…while those of us who know they’re FOS are here, fingers caked in cheetos, ‘ranting into the ether’, helpless to educate our hoodwinked brethren….
August 1st, 2008 at 3:50 pmPerhaps Newt is under the impression that air is really expensive.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pmLooney tunes? Note to Republican politicians: do not inflate your ego beyond its official carrying capacity of thirty PSI of hot air. If you do so, unpleasant explosive campaign blowouts may occur at any time…
August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pmthank you Mary, so newt is in the consulting business now. It is so time to retire all these old, republican war horses and get some new blood. Term limits anyone ?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:51 pmFor the life of me I can’t imagine Newt Gingrich ever owning an automobile which he personally has performed maintenance on. It’d be the equivalent of Paris Hilton owning a home and having personally mowed the lawn and raked leaves or Britney Spears having children and personally changing diapers on them.
The audacious, presumptiousness of Newt Gingrich - celebrity politician extraordinaire.
Just saying . . .
August 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pmHey if the republicans could figure out a way to charge you for the air we breathe they would. Perhaps if we can’t cut down the pollution we will have to wear masks and carry oxygen around with us.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:53 pmtexaslady Says:
Gingrich every 4 years announces he would consider running for President, and nobody backs him.
Well, his opinion of himself sure isn’t under inflated.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:54 pmMax-1 Says:
This by the same man who laments that America hasn’t been attacked… again. Gingrich thinks that an attack would “shock” Americans into believing that the Republicans are good for keeping America safe…
Gotta tellya max, if there’s another ‘attack,’ all us critics and Libs, and progs are gonna hafta lie low, cuz Newtie will have the OSOGs** out, thirsting for blood, armed with ropes, dogs and guns scouring the countryside looking for the “people who let it happen”–that’d be You and Me, max…
If it happens before the election, we’ll be blamed because we inhibited the Chimp’s minions from stopping it with torture. If after, it’ll be blamed on Obama and the libs making the country look weak.
Seriously, folks: if you’re a liberal, arm yourselves, orat least prepare some kinds of counter-measures…i recommend digging tiger pits filled with punji-sticks in the driveway…not a real danger to the innocent except on halloweeen…
August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pmAlso known as a Straw Man, missmolly. The favorite Wizard of Oz character of the entire right wing.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pmOT - the one time I watched The View yesterday and Whoopi and Elisabeth were going at it. Elisabeth chanted the republican mantra,”Obama will raise your taxes .” Whoopi said it all, “no matter who gets in, taxes are going to raise to clear up the deficit.” You can’t lose jobs, raid the cookie jar forever.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pmOSOG** = “One Set Of Grandparents”
August 1st, 2008 at 3:55 pmDrill, Drill, Drill….
Dick-n-Duhhbya have run out of places to drill the Constitution so now, with their zippers in hand, they’re setting their sights on the earth.
Duhhbya called in to Limbaugh’s show this morning and he urged Rush’s listenerns to support his (and Dick’s) drill here, drill now scheme so we stop importing all that oil “from accross the seas.”
Funny, but none of my maps show that we’re separated from Canada (from which we import most oil) by an ocean.
Maybe Duhhbya was referring to the Great Lakes?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pmI suppose it’s also “loony” to think that smaller, lighter, slower, more efficient cars would gain us another 30-50 years to deal with switching to alternative fuels?
I suppose he thinks that 50mpg, which is easy with 50 year-old technology, is a fantasy?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:57 pmdraftedin68 Says:
Duhhbya called in to Limbaugh’s show this morning and he urged Rush’s listenerns to support his (and Dick’s) drill here, drill now scheme so we stop importing all that oil “from accross the seas.”
This from the guy who went bankrupt because he couldn’t find oil in Texas.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:58 pmOverinflating by a few pounds gives you even better mileage (but since that can be dangerous, you didn’t hear it from me). Drivers can increase fuel efficiency by up to 30% just by not exceeding 55 mph. “Jackrabbit starts” also eat up a lot of gas, so don’t treat a green light like the start of the Indy 500.
The only “Loony Tune” I’m hearing is coming out of Gingrich’s mouth.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:59 pmConservatives against conservation: the bad thing is that it makes sense because it’s consistent with their recent history.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:01 pmTripleKick X Says:
One presidential candidate has plans for creating new energy
What type of “new energy” is John McOilcan planning to “create”?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:02 pmLiving with a motorhead, we have been following these procedures forever, maintenance every 3600 miles, tires rotated, pay extra for a better brand of gas does seem to work getting over 32 miles to the gallon (yes, sigh he checks it) on older vehicles.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:04 pmI get so sick of newscasts, commentators, pundits, the whole class who let these whoppers slide right on by.
One thing will bring down the price of gas: More gas.
that problem will not be solved by drilling more holes, nor by selling more leases.
The problem, and the reason –in scare quotes– for the high price is that demand outstrips supply.
But, actually, there’s really quite a bit of it still out there, above ground, but not refined.
There is not enough refinery capacity to crack all the petroleum we’ve got now.
Nobody’s gonna build any more refineries because (according to T Boone Pickens, anyway) world oil production PEAKED at least three years ago, and there’s not enough oil left to amortize the costs of new capacity. So that’s nagahapun.
It’s pure political demagoguery, and the goddam newsreaders should be saying so…
but of course, in the Corporate State, corporate media are State media.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pmPerhaps AmphibianBoy has absolutely no clue about how to conserve by driving slower, accelerating slowly, coasting up to red lights, properly infla… Oh, never mind.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pmTripleKick X Says:
The other candidate is giving out lame car mechanic tips.
Who wants to bet TK X will go let the air out of his tires just to be contrary?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:05 pmBy “creating new energy” did you mean “extend our untenable reliance on old energy sources that are centered primarily in a region that hates us, thanks to an unprovoked invasion”?
And by “giving out lame car mechanic tips” did you mean to imply that this was the entirety of the candidate’s energy plan?
“Cause it sure seemed that way. But that couldn’t be. You are no partisan. That’s what you said of yourself on a previous thread. And you wouldn’t lie about a thing like that.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:06 pmInteresting that george could get right through on rush’s show. Strange that we have a multitude of capped oil and gas wells right here in the States and yet we are buying from other countries. Something sure stinks and it ain’t natural gas.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:07 pmOne presidential candidate has plans for drilling for what’s left of the dwindling supply of oil and maybe lowering gas prices in about ten to twelve years. The other candidate is giving out sound car mechanic tips, and refocusing the nation on developing clean energy alternatives. Obama just keeps showing voters how he’s a visionary instead of a pandering old fool.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pmTK sez:
I do have some bias against uber libs, sure, however I am no partisan as I don’t belong to any silly arse political party.
Behold the face of non-partisanship — Triplekick X!
August 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pm#38 flagged… FLAME BAITING!
August 1st, 2008 at 4:08 pmTripleKick X Says:
One presidential candidate has plans for creating new energy and lowering gas prices. The other candidate is giving out lame car mechanic tips. Obama just keeps showing voters how he’s a lightweight.
You’re just a glutton for punishment, aren’t you? Not enough to get pwned on the anthrax thread?
Plans for energy. Find someone to read it to you, always assuming you can stay awake that long. It’s obvious that anything beyond the completely superficial taxes your attention.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pmrtwl @ 45…yes that’s exactly what he meant, he just didn’t have the words. that’s one of the drawbacks of being such a moronic dickhead: it effects your vocabulary…
August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pmtexaslady Says:
…pay extra for a better brand of gas…
I’m not a motorhead, and I haven’t checked this out for myself, but I read somewhere recently that mid-grade and premium gas don’t help with gas mileage.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
TK sez:
I do have some bias against uber libs, sure, however I am no partisan as I don’t belong to any silly arse political party.
Behold the face of non-partisanship — Triplekick X!
Ah, I’d missed that one. Always nice to see someone who utterly lacks the courage of his convictions.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pmJust curious anyone else noticing gas prices dropping alot in the last week or so ? We are around $3.69 - $3.83 and diesel just over $4.20. Funny that a few cents drop in the market hit the pumps so fast.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:11 pmAnd Triple whatever - at least Obama has immediate ideas for the general public. Boy, you are scrapping the bottom cheering for a newt.
You’re either lying or sadly misinformed, TripleKick MMIX, because McCain’s “plans” will not lower gas prices any time before he was out of office, even if they cheated well enough to get him elected to two terms. And if you had the least bit of intelligence and credibility, you would know that. Tell us, did you make that line up yourself, or will we be hearing the right-wing talking heads using those same exact false words?
And what you dismiss as “lame car mechanic tips” would actually save people money on fuel now.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:12 pmShoeless - it does seem to work and our vehicles are 3-5 and 14 years old, well plus an antique of 1934. They just keep purring along.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pmDoes anyone know if the oil in the offshore zones is sweeter or higher API or actually is much easier to get to? These issues aren’t raised at all, and the proponents act like behind door number three is the solution to all our problems.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:13 pmI guess that Gingrich doesn’t know that the government is running ads on the radio advising motorists to do exactly what he is calling “loony tunes”. I guess he thinks our government is “loony tunes”. Unfortunately on that one he would be correct.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:14 pmtexaslady Says:
Shoeless - it does seem to work and our vehicles are 3-5 and 14 years old, well plus an antique of 1934. They just keep purring along.
Well, your husband would know better than I. It would be interesting to see whether the increased cost of premium would be more than offset by the gas mileage improvement.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:17 pmI was surprised to learn that oil is being drilled in Utah, story out of Colorado about retired farmers able to enjoy life now that oil has been found on their land. Lots of land, maybe lots of oil right there in barren land.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pmBob Says:
Does anyone know if the oil in the offshore zones is sweeter
I doubt it. The tar babies on the beaches of Florida don’t seem very sweet.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:19 pmshoeless Says:
texaslady Says:
…pay extra for a better brand of gas…
I’m not a motorhead, and I haven’t checked this out for myself, but I read somewhere recently that mid-grade and premium gas don’t help with gas mileage.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:09 pm
i think what she means is go to chevron, not plateau or joe’s gas…at the current prices, the difference in $/gal is nearly insignificant. I had a girlfriend once who was an automotive engineer and she asserted that “better” gas–branded–was superior because it was cleaner, fewer inadvertent contaminants, etc…pillow talk with a motorhead, of either gender, apparntly, is practical, at least…
I have begun to model the practices of the ultra/efficiency drivers. i shut the engine off if i’m coming up on a light that i can see from far away is gonna be red w2hen i get there. i coast at EVERY opportunity. I accelerate gently, i seldom ‘punch’ it. Tires, oil, yup Check!
also, lately i have been called upon much less to actually go anywhere, being retired, and on shortish rations–cheap scotch, fer chrissake? (but decent weed)–and you can’t go out anywhere anymore without spending $30-$40 bucks on nothing.
staying home does save gas…
August 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pmShoeless - try a few tankfuls and see…our one vehicle is on its second 100,000 miles, all components work great, especially the a/c in this horrible Texas heat.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:20 pmTripleKick X Says:
shoeless,
I have nitrogen in my tires, not “air”.
I fill my tires with approximately 75% nitrogen.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:21 pmThe higher octane gasolines effect engine knock and have no affect on gas milage. It all has to do with ignition delay in the piston.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pmFunny, but none of my maps show that we’re separated from Canada (from which we import most oil) by an ocean.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:56 pm
An excellent point to keep in mind, draftedin68. The reality of the world oil market is that the majority of oil is shipped to the nearest, most accessible, market. One way that traders make fortunes is by selling to people next door at the same price it would cost around the world. (NOTE: Mideast oil is prefered by most customers because of it’s quality and low extraction costs. If it were the same quality as many domestic sources we would import little if any Mideastern oil.)
And more drilling, even if the oil companies decided to invest in it, would have little impact on world markets. Alaskan oil, in particular, is expensive as Hell. They would either need to deal with Arctic navigation or expand the pipeline. And they would need to replace the existing pipeline if the reports of decay are accurate.
Personally, I don’t see the oil industry making that kind of investment until the markets have adjusted to the “post peak” paradigm. Until then they will just ride the cash-cow of foreign oil trading. Frankly, they would be stupid to do anything else so long as they can get away with it.
Then, a couple decades from now when falling supply becomes a crisis, they’ll blackmail the taxpayers into building the infrastructure they aren’t building now.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pmEverybody knows keeping your tires properly inflated will provide less drag and resistance (rubber vs. the road) and as such will increase mileage.
Obama’s suggestion was fine, and he was using it as an example of what WE CAN DO RIGHT NOW to help ourselves save money. That is what leaders do: they provide ideas and strategies for us to utilize.
It still amazes me where our trolls will discount every known method to help us a little bit, and side with Newt Gingrich.
TK knows about the tire benefit, but as someone else noted, he will go out and deflate his tires. His allegiance to the imperial wizard in the WH knows no bounds. He will even assist in the destruction of our planet, all the while knowing he is wrong. TH needs to feel part of the kewl kids - which of course, he is not.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pmTripleKick X Says
August 1st, 2008 at 4:00 pm
One presidential candidate has plans for creating new energy and lowering gas prices. The other candidate is giving out lame car mechanic tips. Obama just keeps showing voters how he’s a lightweight.
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And I’m sure there are mouth-breathers out there who would absorb what you have to say and believe it without question.
However, the rest of us know that:
1. McCain hasn’t offered any plans to “create new energy” — all he has done is to voice what the oil industry tells him to.
2. McCain has NO suggestions that would actually work to lower gas prices. Yes, he advocates a gas tax holiday, which won’t work. He also advocates allowing offshore and ANWR leases to oil companies — which, even if they DID drill (and it’s very likely they will just sit on them, like they’re doing with their current leases), we wouldn’t see any impact from that drilling for years.
3. Obama’s “lame mechanic tips” are simple common-sense things that are proven to work and advocated by more people than just Obama.
C’mon — you sound like you’re just phoning it in today. Can you offer up something a bit more of a challenge for us?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:22 pmObama offers sound advice everyone can use to lower their gas bills now.
Mcstake offers a refuted plan that will save no money now but will cost us dearly.
Obama gets no money from the free air corporation.
Mcstake gets huge contributions from the Oil companies after he flip flops on off shore drilling….
Bob. In answer to your question, I don’t know about the quality of the off shore gas, but I do know that it is much more expensive to drill off shore. The rigs are more expensive, it costs more to get the drilling material on site, the size of the drilling crews are larger on off shore rigs, they get paid more, you get the picture. The oil companies don’t want to drill off shore, they do want the mineral rights in their back pockets however.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:23 pmTripleKick X Says:
I have nitrogen in my tires, not “air”.
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uh huh… saving the air for between yer ears?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pmActually we have changed to Shell from Valero over 4 months ago and much as I hate to spend, it is working. Mixture of freeway and in town miles. And I would hate to see the mandatory 55 miles back. Got to say around here and up through the midwest OK and KS people are driving 80-85 /hour.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pmBob Says:
Does anyone know if the oil in the offshore zones is sweeter
There’s a beach in Isla Vista, on the UCSB campus, which is actually, officially named “Coal Tar Sands Beach.” There’s a natural seep just off shore, outside the kelp. gobs of the stuff ranging in size from droplets no bigger than marbles to clumps the size of dead fish climb and recede across that beach with every tide (twice a day on the pacific). There’s an occasionally fun and usually ridable right point break there. We always carried bottles of baby oil to clean the goop off when we were done surfing…
August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pmthat’s the pacific, not fla…
just saying
RUCerious Says:
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One presidential candidate has plans for drilling for what’s left of the dwindling supply of oil and maybe lowering gas prices in about ten to twelve years. The other candidate is giving out sound car mechanic tips, and refocusing the nation on developing clean energy alternatives. Obama just keeps showing voters how he’s a visionary instead of a pandering old fool.
Gee, RU…I can’t really say that Obama telling me to inflate my tires properly and get a tune up makes him a visionary.
My take on energy is DO EVERYTHING. You may not like it, but there is no way off of oil for your car and coal for your electricity any time soon. It is just a simple fact. It won’t happen during Obamas 8 years no matter what he does.
I am looking at a plug in car for my next purchase. They are smaller and therefore not as safe for a price range I can afford. Still a trade off I am weighing.
Drill here, drill now. At the same time, put McCain’s Lexington Program into effect. Wed it to Pickens Plan. Build nukes. Develop clean coal. Remove the tariff on Brazillian ethanol. Develop long range plans for wind and solar and the massive grid infrastructure needed to get that energy to the coasts. Do geothermal. Do it all! The current gridlock in Congress is killing us. All other issues meet at the crossroads of energy production.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:24 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
TripleKick X Says:
I have nitrogen in my tires, not “air”.
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uh huh… saving the air for between yer ears?
No, that will remain a vacuum.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:27 pm.
You know, when I want good advice on BBQ baby back ribs, I’ll ask McBBQ…
When I want good advice on auto mechanics, I’ll ask an auto mechanic…
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August 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
3. Obama’s “lame mechanic tips” are simple common-sense things that are proven to work and advocated by more people than just Obama.
BTW, why are we assuming that Americans aren’t already doing this? It is basic common sense. You can’t call a thing a potential savings if the thing is already being done and those savings are already being realized.
Nice thing for O is that it is unmeasurable whether we are doing it or not, so it is a rhetorical freebie.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:28 pmC’mon, Keltoi, you’re better than that.
When RUC said Obama was showing how he’s a visionary, he was clearly talking about the refocusing the nation on developing clean energy alternatives part of his statement.
Sheesh.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pmtokun, are you a Gaucho grad?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pmAnyone else know more on the drilling Utah ? I am thinking it has to be cheaper drilling offshore for the oil companies. You know it is all about money. Last night two Senators insist offshore will have regulations with so much oil HAVE to be kept here in the States and will put Americans to work. Sure wish I believed that, amazing how regulations change once a Bill is approved.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pmI think you answered your own question.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pmBobwurst
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pmGo check my blog for a reprise of our conversation yesterday…
Give Gingrich and his fellow knuckle dragging f***s a break.
They think tires are still made of wood. No wonder the concept of inflating them is “looney tunes”.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pmThanks for the assist, Ralph. Geebutz these McIIIrd apologists are incapable of critical thinking, or reading skill for that matter.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:30 pmtexaslady Says:
Actually we have changed to Shell from Valero over 4 months ago
I buy all of my gas from Citgo. I’d rather see the profits from my purchases go to build hospitals and schools in Venezuela, as opposed to seeing them go into the pockets of global oil executives.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pmWhy do Conservatives have such a problem with the word conserve?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:31 pmRUCerious Says:
tokun, are you a Gaucho grad?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
not me…my last wife did her ph.d. there in the early 80s…we moved to baton rouge in ‘84. i complained a lot. folks got irritated, asked, if i hated it there so much what was i doing there. “Penance, I reckon,” I’d tell ‘em…
August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pmKeltoi - try asking your neighbors how many use good car sense ? Or even look around and watch the jackrabbit starts and braking at the last minute at a light. Does this tell you 99% people only know how to turn the key in the ignition.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pmTK, you’re just a fu(king idiot now.
“Non-partisan”? Bullshit. No non-partisan would believe that Obama’s position is that a tune-up is a “substitute” for “creating more gas”.
Why do right-wingers constantly have to have the simplest nuance of language spelled out for them? Unless, of course, it’s a complex nuance of a right-wing hate jock — then they’re all about nuance.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:32 pmtexaslady Says:
Anyone else know more on the drilling Utah ?
They also discovered a big new deposit in North Dakota. Same story there. Lots of old farmers are new millionaires.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
C’mon, Keltoi, you’re better than that.
When RUC said Obama was showing how he’s a visionary, he was clearly talking about the refocusing the nation on developing clean energy alternatives part of his statement.
Sheesh.
Okay. Fine. Great. I am tempted to vote for Obama simply because he is a Democrat and Congress will allow him to do something on this issue.
Sorry, RU, didn’t mean to cheap shot you.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:33 pmtokun, Mine’s a BA in PoliSci, ‘76.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pmTriple whatever, the fact you are cheerleading a newt says it all. Pretty hard when your candidate, mcsame, looks so lame.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:34 pm‘S OK, Kelty. I’ve been constantly hammering on Jay Inslee to get cracking on R&D efforts for plug ins, hydrogen, wind, solar and tide energy alternatives.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:36 pmTripleKickintheNutz just gave me a lead I couldn’t resist!!!
Pax.
Shouldn’t Newt be doing what he does, best drilling some young hill staffer, and leave the heavy thinking to others? His face needs to be plastered daily, with the word “REPUB SLUG” stamped across his forhead!
August 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pmKeltoi says:
BTW, why are we assuming that Americans aren’t already doing this? It is basic common sense.
So you agree with TP then that Gringrich is clueless?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:37 pmOk,so there is new drilling in Dakota, Utah, CO and Wyoming and we still need offshore ? And as I mentioned re:shortage of natural gas whole towns are sitting on capped wells. Hmmm sounds like holding the product til the price is right.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:39 pmMechanic tips about tune ups are no substitute for creating more gas.
I’m sorry, TK MMIX, but did you mean to post such a stupid comment, or did you accidentally leave out some words? In case the statement really is as you meant it, then perhaps you don’t understand that the “Mechanic tips about tune ups” are not supposed to be a “substitute for creating more gas”. They are supposed to be a means for creating less need for gas. Are all of your “arguments” of the Straw Man variety?
August 1st, 2008 at 4:41 pm96 Klem - AMEN !
August 1st, 2008 at 4:42 pmWhat they fail to realize is that our energy use isn’t the problem. It’s our energy wastage.
5,000 pound SUVs, idling at a stop light carrying just the driver, need to be outlawed. 0-60 in under 6 seconds needs to be outlawed. Under 50mpg needs to be outlawed. Incandescent lighting needs to be outlawed. Etc.
We need to change how and why we produce and use energy, however, we the consumers are responsible for how we use it. And waste it.
Does the energy industry need to find “new” sources of energy? Yes. But it’s futile so long as they are just keeping up with new sources of waste. And it won’t do us, or the planet, any good to perpetuate the myth that more energy is sustainable or beneficial. It is of lasting benefit, however, for each of us to take the small measures we can each day.
That’s real. McSpin’s magic drilling plan is the fantasy.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:43 pmWayne explain to triplewhatever and Kel that these tips are IN ADDITION to finding alternative energy. What their leader proposed in his last 8 year State of the Union Speeches but neglected to do . Well never mind that is probably to deep for them to understand.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:44 pmmary Says:
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Keltoi says:
BTW, why are we assuming that Americans aren’t already doing this? It is basic common sense.
So you agree with TP then that Gringrich is clueless?
No.
And BTW, while it is fun to call Americans too dumb to inflate their tires, from a purely political standpoint this is no good for O. How long until his foes start comparing his “inflate your tires” advice to Jimmy Carter telling us to “wear a sweater”?
Don’t get me wrong, inflating and layering are both good, smart things to do, but it is bad, bad politics to tell Americans the problem really lies with their personal habits and not with the lack of action by government. Just sayin.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pmPete - actually read where Hummers have lost 60% in sales in June so are now being marketed overseas. Lots of SUV’s with for sale signs on them around here. You can raise a family in a regular car, many of us did it with large teenagers.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:48 pmtexaslady Says:
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Wayne explain to triplewhatever and Kel that these tips are IN ADDITION to finding alternative energy. What their leader proposed in his last 8 year State of the Union Speeches but neglected to do . Well never mind that is probably to deep for them to understand.
Bah! First, Bush is an utter failure on energy, obviously. Second, Pelosi and Reed are not one tiny bit better. Both parties are so locked into their special interest money on this - Repubs, oil, Dems, environmentalists - that they are too paralyzed to do anything. And we are the ones paying for it.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:49 pmFunny. You’d think Mr. “Unlikely Alliances” would be in favor of this idea, since he agrees with rational science-minded people that “our country must take action to address climate change.”
August 1st, 2008 at 4:51 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Don’t get me wrong, inflating and layering are both good, smart things to do, but it is bad, bad politics to tell Americans the problem really lies with their personal habits and not with the lack of action by government. Just sayin.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm
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No worse than telling American “whiners” that their foreclosures and layoffs and other financial problems are just mental.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:53 pmI must disagree, Keltoi. Americans need to be told exactly how stupid we’ve been, and remain, on the subject of energy waste.
And Jimmy Carter, who the Reich loves to insult, might be seen as the guy who saved us from a second, bigger, energy crisis had some of his ideas on government action been implemented.
I’m sorry but, voices from the right have no right to complain about “the lack of action by government” on energy issues.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:55 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
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Keltoi at Night Says:
Don’t get me wrong, inflating and layering are both good, smart things to do, but it is bad, bad politics to tell Americans the problem really lies with their personal habits and not with the lack of action by government. Just sayin.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:45 pm
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No worse than telling American “whiners” that their foreclosures and layoffs and other financial problems are just mental.
Exactly - and Gramm was canned for saying that. Obama can’t can himself.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:55 pmAmericans can learn from Europe who have been paying high fuel costs for years. Time to tighten our belts in lots of ways. Having the experience of the late 1980’s here in Texas it won’t be fun.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pmTripleKick X Says:
Tire pressure just ain’t gonna cut it.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
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Neither is lining the pockets of oil executives by granting them rights to offshore land that they won’t actually use.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pmpete Says:
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I must disagree, Keltoi. Americans need to be told exactly how stupid we’ve been, and remain, on the subject of energy waste.
And Jimmy Carter, who the Reich loves to insult, might be seen as the guy who saved us from a second, bigger, energy crisis had some of his ideas on government action been implemented.
I’m sorry but, voices from the right have no right to complain about “the lack of action by government” on energy issues.
Need I remind you the reason Carter’s ideas were not put into effect is because Reagan crushed him in 1980?
Look, I am not saying it is bad policy, it is bad politics. You must have good politics to put your policies into place, and telling Americans to inflate their tires and wear sweaters comes across as preachy. That is all I am saying.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:59 pmtexaslady,
We Americans are learning a harsh lesson about what we need and what we want. Some years ago I saw a testimonial for a giant SUV and the gal said, “It’s really bigger than what I need but it’s nice to not have to open the trunk when the kids pile in”. I think a new generation of mothers are going to discover trunks and a new generation of kids will rediscover bikes, buses, and walking.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pmKeltoi at Night Says:
Exactly - and Gramm was canned for saying that. Obama can’t can himself.
August 1st, 2008 at 4:55 pm
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Nor should he go around telling people what they want to hear just to get elected. It’s high time that people in power quit coddling the American people and pretending that our energy habits and feeding habits and spending habits are just fine and dandy and should be encouraged just for votes. I don’t see it as elitist at all - I see it as empowering. Obama is saying “there are things you, the individual, can do to reduce your own gas costs and electricity costs. Government can’t do it all for you.”
One would think conservatives would like that kind of message of personal responsibility.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pmKeltoi - Every one of bush’s State of the Union speeches have claimed to have a program for alternative energy and here we are. Don’t try to say he was stopped, having had a compliant Congress for years and years. It wasn’t a priority for him. You don’t bite the hand that paid for your election.
So now, we have to hurry up and fix what should have been working on for the last 8 years.
Exxon paid 1% of research to alternative energy…does that sound serious to you ? The pharms pay more in advertising than in research so drugs are astronomical. Is that right ?
Your administration has left you and the rest of us in the toilet,and now snap your fingers and Pelosi and Reid should have it fixed. Sure.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:01 pmReality?? We don’t need no steenking reality! WE make the reality around here!! Reality is whatever WE say it is! D’you hear me, peasants????
Jebus. Cognitive dissonance, anyone?
August 1st, 2008 at 5:03 pmRU Serious, i loved my time in SB. Arrived in ‘80…chasing a woman…lived about a year in a surfer-guy house on de la guerra, six, seven blocks off State. Then moved in w/woman and moved out to IV. Moved to Baton Rouge in 84…i still folks i got as close to heaven as this white boy’s ever gonna get in santa barbara in the early 80s…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:03 pmI agree with you on your assessment of both Bush and the Democratic leaders, but tell me, Keltoi — just what do you see as the source of support for the “big money” environmentalists?
How in God’s name does the environmental movement compete financially with Big Oil?
August 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pmtexaslady Says:
August 1st, 2008 at 5:06 pmAmericans can learn from Europe who have been paying high fuel costs for years.
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I’ve heard most of the difference comes from taxes which go towards things like health care. Aside from that, Europe is a wholly different place when it comes to things like public transportation and proximaty. Unlike the US, Europe was firmly established long before the industrial revolution and wasn’t built around private transportation for everyone.
Actually, the way to do it is to offer a prize, a mpg prize…
put sensors in every car that read the driving data…little black boxes…every month you take your car into a joint that has a machine to read the box, and if you improve your mpg rate from the last time, you get like a $50 gas card.
Do it like a reality TV special…Biggest Loser? Screw that! Best godam driver!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 5:07 pmKeltoi,
I think that most reasonable people, without the media filter, saw his remark as an attempt to accurately describe the insignificance of the impact of “new” drilling. The additional source of supply would only offset a potion of the gas we waste every day.
And. If a reminder to maintain the efficiency of our cars is “belittling”? We might as well call in the nukes to end the suffering.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:08 pmtokin librul Says:
put sensors in every car that read the driving data…little black boxes… every month you take your car into a joint that has a machine to read the box, and if you improve your mpg rate from the last time, you get like a $50 gas card.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:07 pm
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I’m surprised the NSA hasn’t already tried this. Little black boxes, tracking where people drive…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:11 pmExactly - and Gramm was canned for saying that.
Nope. Gramm still advises the McCain=Bush campaign.
Next lie in 5….4…3….2…1….
August 1st, 2008 at 5:12 pmHow in God’s name does the environmental movement compete financially with Big Oil?
it doesn’t.
ideally, it wouldn’t have to, since the Govt is the representative of the Public interest, it should regulate the ‘private interest,’ not conduct inequal contests with foregone conclusions. That’s allegedly what we have courts and legislatures to do.
They don’t do it of course. They’re loyal enthusiastic, even, prostate lavers of power.
So all you can do is basically hope that the Corporate State will determine its intersts are not served by the final, wholesale destruction of the ecosphere.
and it may come out that way…
or not…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:13 pmTripleKick X Says
August 1st, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Mechanic tips about tune ups are no substitute for creating more gas. Obama sounds like both a simplistic dope and an elitist at the same time, which is no easy feat unless you’re Obama or Kerry.
Understand recent polls indicate that energy is voters #1 issue this november. Tire pressure just ain’t gonna cut it.
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Do you even read? Obama never claimed that tire pressure all by itself was going to “cut it”. I suppose you also thought Jimmy Carter was a “simplistic dope” when he recommended that people lower the heat in their home two degrees to save energy.
But since we’re on the subject, nothing McCain is suggesting is going to “cut it”, either.
Gas tax holiday? Not only will that NOT lower prices at the pump (any savings will wind up as profits for the oil companies in the form of higher gas prices brought on by more consumption), but it will take money out of the highway fund.
Drilling, drilling, and more drilling? Maybe if we did some actual drilling, it WOULD help — years from now. But right now the oil companies are just sitting on leases they currently have, doing nothing. If we grant them offshore and ANWR leases, what makes us think they will actually drill on them right away? The oil companies are all about drilling when and where they can get the most profit from it, not about increasing the amount of petroleum available, and certainly not about lowering gas prices.
But the biggest idea McCain has is to bomb Iran. Which will make our gas prices skyrocket — it won’t bring them down.
And one more thing — energy (particularly gas prices) isn’t the number one issue, the economy is. But the cost of gas is certainly up there toward the top of the list. And we need leadership that’s not controlled by the oil industry to take care of it.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pmif your car was built since the advent of gps, it’s got a chip in it…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:14 pmWe need a President that puts the power back into people’s hands. Obama is encouraging everyone healthy, disabled, young and old to question and demand accountability. This deplorable administration we have, wanted everyone to be sheep so they could send our young to war without question.
We all know somebody will have to start paying for the war, and the horrible deficit bush drug us into, doesn’t matter who gets in. Mccain sings his merry song, thinks Afganistan will just solve itself. And those who can’t stand the truth will vote for him.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pmOh no! Not the “environmentalist lobby”!
Here’s a fun task:
Track the donations by environmental groups to political campaigns. Compare to the donations by the energy industry.
I think you’ll see a pattern.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:16 pmUnderstand recent polls indicate that energy is voters #1 issue this november. Tire pressure just ain’t gonna cut it.
The only plausible, practical answer, then is to nationalize the whole furking industry, top to bottom, innit?
August 1st, 2008 at 5:17 pmHussein Toasterhead:
I’m surprised the NSA hasn’t already tried this. Little black boxes, tracking where people drive…
(From someone aware of data mining and inside the belly of the beast)
August 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pmEver use a credit card? I’m not paranoid but where it was used and what you bought is being stored. More than just where you drive.
texaslady Says:
Exxon paid 1% of research to alternative energy…does that sound serious to you ?
And most of that money went to advertising propaganda designed to convince people that Exxon was actually researching alternative energy.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:22 pmtexaslady Says
August 1st, 2008 at 4:56 pm
Americans can learn from Europe who have been paying high fuel costs for years. Time to tighten our belts in lots of ways. Having the experience of the late 1980’s here in Texas it won’t be fun.
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It’s true that Americans can learn from Europe, but it will be difficult to implement any European ideas right away, because our entire infrastructure (with the exception of a few densely developed urban areas such as San Francisco and New York City) has been developed around the automobile.
Many metro areas are discovering the downside of developing public transportation in an area that consists of suburban and exurban sprawl — even the most intelligent transit system designed for an already developed area often can serve no more than about 10% of the area. We’re having this problem in here in Raleigh right now.
I hope we start moving in this direction, however. It will take baby steps, but we might just be able to get around by the time the last drop of oil is gone.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:23 pmWhile were on the topic, I’d like to see Obama talk more about the nexus of agriculture and gas prices. According to a UK study, if people switched to locally-produced, organic food, energy use could be reduced by up to 16%, and carbon emissions could be reduced by almost 30%:
http://www.i-sis.org.uk/mitigatingClimateChange.php
August 1st, 2008 at 5:24 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Gas tax holiday? Not only will that NOT lower prices at the pump (any savings will wind up as profits for the oil companies in the form of higher gas prices brought on by more consumption), but it will take money out of the highway fund.
Yeah, the gas tax holiday was sure a McLame brained scheme. Imagine if he would’ve got it implemented.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:25 pmDrop in Miles Driven Is Depleting Highway Fund. Gasoline tax revenue is falling so fast that the federal government may not be able to meet its commitments to states for road projects already under way, the secretary of transportation said Monday.
I had a heartening experience this morn.
While dropping off my 5 year old at daycare, I overheard the teacher telling a mom that her six year old scolded her for using too much water brushing her teeth with the water running…
Very cool…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pmYou just have to appreciate the irony. The Dems have been saying “we need to do something” for 30 years while the Reps have said “don’t do anything”.
Now, when the polls are indicating the virtual death of the GOP do to their incompetence, the Reps are screaming “the Dems won’t do anything”.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pmDoes anybody else here find it strange that when a Democrat talks about things people can do on their own to better their situation it’s “loony”, but when a Republican does it, it’s about “personal responsibility”?
Or do people here not find it strange, they just find it to be status quo?
August 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pmThe right always has an advantage in arguments like this. They can aim for the dumbest matherfockers in the room. There’s always plenty of ‘em around. Adkisson was one. Tim McVey? There’s millions more. They don’t do nuance. Critical thinking is a pretty advanced skill, and 95% of all high-school students are not called upon to understand nuance. Mostly, they havent been since Nixon’s regime. His people changed the character of the ‘education’ establishment, fundamentally. The regime saw that the kids in the streets, opposing them, were pretty well educated. They could think. They’d been taught how in school. The hegemons were determined to undermine that, and they did. I taught in colleges of education, taught students who were ostensibly, anyway, pretending to be wanting to become teachers. Not one 20 of them had ever had a critical thought. I taught 14 years. I could even now go back and at least name from pictures the students I taught at LSU and Okalhoma who had actually practiced recursive, reflective THOUGHT. Probably not more than one in four or five graduate students. It’s terrible. People going into teaching who not only cannot/do not think critically, but who actually despise the effort. I couldn’t flunk them all…
August 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pmTripleKick X Says:
I have nitrogen in my tires, not “air”.
Proof that there’s a sucker born every minute.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:27 pmtokin librul Says:
The only plausible, practical answer, then is to nationalize the whole furking industry, top to bottom, innit?
You mean like Norway, those awful socialists, who use the profits from Stateoil to provide health care, retirement benefits, ect. for the Norwegian public?
Nah, it could never work.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:28 pmExxon paid 1% of research to alternative energy…does that sound serious to you ?
I recently heard a guy on PBS say; “What we are spending on alternative energy isn’t even a drop in the bucket. It’s mist in the air“.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:29 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
Does anybody else here find it strange that when a Democrat talks about things people can do on their own to better their situation it’s “loony”, but when a Republican does it, it’s about “personal responsibility”?
Or do people here not find it strange, they just find it to be status quo?
August 1st, 2008 at 5:26 pm
I think it’s because many of them think they hear the voice of God while Dems, by virtue of their disagreement and party affiliation, take their orders from Satan.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:31 pmThe planet is dying and except for the DFH, nobody seems to care. When we are all gone, the bees or maybe the cockroaches will take over. Within 500 years, the planet will have no evidence we were even here.
man thinks he is such a lion, truth is, we are tiny little mice
August 1st, 2008 at 5:32 pmpete Says:
I think it’s because many of them think they hear the voice of God while Dems, by virtue of their disagreement and party affiliation, take their orders from Satan.
Right-wing evangelist Republicans tell us that the Earth is only 6000 years old, and Satan put those dinosaur bones in the ground to fool everyone.
I wonder why Satan put all that oil in the ground?
August 1st, 2008 at 5:35 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
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Bah! First, Bush is an utter failure on energy, obviously. Second, Pelosi and Reed are not one tiny bit better. Both parties are so locked into their special interest money on this - Repubs, oil, Dems, environmentalists -
I agree with you on your assessment of both Bush and the Democratic leaders, but tell me, Keltoi — just what do you see as the source of support for the “big money” environmentalists?
How in God’s name does the environmental movement compete financially with Big Oil?
Through the courts, my friend, through the courts.
Energy exploration? Slap a lawsuit on it.
The proof is in the pudding. No new refineries or nukes in 30 years. And there is tremendous political power behind the environmental movement, witness Al Gore.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:36 pmLets give it a week and mccain will jump on Obama’s words and pretend it is his idea, as he has previously done.
August 1st, 2008 at 5:39 pmMass transportation works so well in many areas,I for one would love to ride to work. Texas drags its feet on bus and train transportation. Many outlying communities fight it for racial reasons. Yes that word that everyone pretends doesn’t exist.
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Exactly - and Gramm was canned for saying that.
Nope. Gramm still advises the McCain=Bush campaign.
Next lie in 5….4…3….2…1….
You