House Conservatives Engage In Political Stunt, Demand A Vote On Gas Prices After Obstructing A Vote
House Conservatives Engage In Political Stunt, Demand A Vote On Gas Prices After Obstructing A Vote
House conservatives engaged in political theater today, storming the floor after Congress was adjourned “to attack Democrats for leaving town without doing something to lower gas prices.” Politico reports, “At one point, the lights went off in the House and the microphones were turned off in the chamber, meaning Republicans were talking in the dark.”
“Bring the Congress back. Let’s have a real up or down vote,” House Minority Leader John Boehner (R-OH) proclaimed. In fact, there was a real up or down vote on gas prices just two days before. And Boehner is well aware of it because he was responsible for ensuring it didn’t pass. Dan Weiss explains on the Wonk Room what occurred this week:
During yesterday’s vote on the Commodity Markets and Transparency Act (H.R. 6604) to rein in oil profiteers, House Republican leaders pressured 13 of their members to switch their vote from “yes” to “no.” Thanks to these strong arm tactics and weak members, the bill to lower gasoline prices by controlling profiteers failed by a vote of 276-151, falling ten votes shy of the two-thirds majority required for passage under the suspension of the House rules. Once again, the GOP leadership used their power to help keep oil prices and profits high, while hurting the average driver.
Boehner strong-armed his own conservative members to ensure a bill didn’t pass because he wanted to engage in today’s political theatrics. After killing a bill that would have addressed gas prices, House conservatives have decided they want to blow hot air in the dark.
Rep. Adam Putnam (R-FL) said, “This band of brothers here is staying late to make a point to the American people: We want to work.” His colleagues then chanted: “Work, work, work.” Putnam has quickly forgotten the conservatives’ record of leading the Do Nothing Congress in 2006. The 109th Congress met for fewer days than the infamous 80th Congress that Harry Truman reviled as “do nothing” in 1948:
“The 109th Congress vies for the title of the all-time worst Congress,” said Thomas Mann, a political analyst at the Brookings Institution and co-author of “The Broken Branch” with Ornstein. Mann’s indictment of the 109th includes these charges: “It spent little time in session, it failed to pass budget resolutions and appropriations bills, there was no serious oversight of the disaster in Iraq, there were no major substantive policy achievements, and corrupt members were forced from Congress.”
Rep. Tom Price (R-GA) finally brought the six-hour talk-a-thon to a conclusion today by leading the group in an a capella rendition of “God Bless America.”
Check out this scorecard from the Speaker’s office:
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"... meaning Republicans were talking in the dark.”
- - Metaphorical symbolism too obvious to comment on. (But I did.)
August 1st, 2008 at 8:39 pmThis is so convoluted. They don't want to lower gas prices, they want to make you think the Dems wouldn't LET them lower gas prices by forcing a vote they know will fail. They are clinging to the false hope this will restore them to the majority. AIN'T GONNA HAPPEN, BO-NAIR!!
August 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pmMaybe they felt more secure in the dark, kinda like they were in their closets, groping around to comfort each other.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:44 pmThese morons are nothing but spoiled thugs.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:47 pmArrest them for trespassing
August 1st, 2008 at 8:54 pmIt's all political theater, with numerous stages.
The Gang of 10 presented a bi-partisan approach around noon. They didn't address record gas prices during a period of decreased demand, or record oil company profits while customers parked their cars.
Then the Red Team, armed with their lines of "Drill Now, Pay Less", held their low light burlesque show. Truth would have them chant, "Drive Less, Pay More", because that's what happened the last three months.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pmRep. Tom Price (R-GA) finally brought the six-hour talk-a-thon to a conclusion today by leading the group in an a capella rendition of “God Bless America.”
They're rehearsing for their last night in office this November, as they go down with the S.S.Bush.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pmTheatre of the Absurd. Thats about all the Rethugs are good for these days. Its all that they know how to do.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmPlease tell me that Putnam didn't really refer to these yahoos as a "band of brothers." That is so asinine -- even for Putnam. Wasn't he considered one of the "brains" of the younger Republicans? They're in more trouble than I thought if he's their example of a brain trust.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:58 pmBad wacky weed....Since Boehner has no place else to go since he's got no checks to hand out on the floor of the House, he wants all these morons to stay and they can have their own party...
L O S E R S !!!!!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pmIsn't offensive to compare a bunch of Republicans ranting in the dark to the brave service people who fought overseas in WWII?
August 1st, 2008 at 9:00 pmJim Wolf359 beat me to it: Theatre of the Absurd is correct. The script could not be any better if it had been written by Camus himself. How do these idiots sleep at night? We should stop payment on their paychecks for insufficient brains.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:19 pmMessage to the g.o.p.: In three months, America is going to foreclose on your House.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:29 pmDid Boehner cry? It's not true drama until he cries and streaks his spray tan and mascara and eyeliner.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:32 pmHeh...
Re: gas prices. At one station I pass on the way to/from work, they've had 3 different prices for regular grade in just 24 hours.
Yesterday evening at 6 pm it was $3.64
This morning at 7:30 am it was $3.77
This evening at 6 pm it was $3.69
This is nuts.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:44 pmErr, "refuse to let the loonies buy 5..."
August 1st, 2008 at 9:50 pmRepublicans voted against gas relief because they would rather have ELITIST speculators get rich off your gas money...Therefore since conservatives want to protect elitists, they are the elitists...
if the Democratic Party was smart, they would have ads in every major market...
August 1st, 2008 at 9:55 pmA testament to how effective Congress has been. Let's hurry and get something done before gas prices get high. Thanks Bonehead.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:58 pmBoehner and his pals had 12 years to pass energy reform and did nothing about it---just like our "energy president" and his energy czar Cheney. Wait till they get back to their districts and their constituents give them an earful.
The jobs report came out this am and 55,000 jobs were lost but these clowns want to talk about more corporate welfare for the oil companies who are posting obscene profits.
The american people are sick to death of this nonsense. Pelosi is no bargain either.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pmCorporate news will cycle the republican version - exclusively and repeatedly. (CNN has already) I'm still amazed every time they get away with more of this crap. Corporate news will never tell you how or why...that's too EXPENSIVE!
August 1st, 2008 at 10:03 pmI think I heard they were taking 5 weeks off? - who the hell gets a five week vacation? - I'm apparently a great employer, I had no idea and during a war no less! Super.
and who's going to know about this?
how will the SCLM report these goings on?
i wonder...
August 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pmBoner games. Deception is their agenda, profit is their goal. Defeat in November is their reward. KKKarl can go to jail.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:06 pmbiffmctavish Says:
"If you have 10 cows and you’re only milking 5, and the price of a gallon of milk is one dollar. If you want the price to go down, you milk the other 5. If Liberals want the price of milk to go down, they raise taxes."
And conservatives won't milk those other five cows at all but will DEMAND that you pay them to buy more cows for your own good.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:10 pmjust listened to bill moyers, about the k-street gang of criminals, the casinos, the marianas... good that he's getting a few more people to know about the story... maybe? ... i figure most who watch PBS must already know it...
it's so disheartening how stupid the voters are... still...
i can understand the aversion, but times like these, i wish there were some kind of civil aptitude test tied into voting...
August 1st, 2008 at 10:15 pmPoor republicans/oil companies' pickle: lower gas prices=more votes=less public support for offshore drilling. poor 'publicans.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pmCome on, biff, ya got more than that doncha?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:24 pmbut johnny
you can't get a tan
in the dark.
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good luck.
:)
August 1st, 2008 at 10:27 pmjoe cantwell, hahaha very funny, good stuff!
Boehner is worthless. I mean, we're talking about the same Republicans who fund their campaign and pockets with big oil lobbyists. Now, they're trying to act like they're going to do something? What a joke.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:30 pmHow many comments awaiting moderation actually get released?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:35 pmHey Biff, If I raise the taxes on your cows thats less subsidies you get.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:40 pmWouldn't it be nice if Congress were full of mature adults working to solve our nation's problems through reasoned discussion.
Yes, I know, ... still dreaming on.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pmRedpublicans are full of sh*t.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:46 pmKaty (@ 10:15),
I agree. Perhaps we should start by publically expecting more from our representative.
We need to regain control of our media. The only thing more disheartening than this disgusting display of childishness by those at the center of power is the mainstream media's complete incapability of displaying it.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:47 pmbiffmctavish Says:
If you have 10 cows and you’re only milking 5, and the price of a gallon of milk is one dollar. If you want the price to go down, you milk the other 5. If Liberals want the price of milk to go down, they raise taxes.
If you have 10 cows and you're only milking 5 and the price of milk $1 a gallon and you want it to go up, then you wait until your cows start to freshen, then attack the the farm next door, because he's a terrist, and kill all his cows, rape his wife, or boys if you're a republican, then you tell your consumers that you need more cows. If your consumers are republicans they will salute you, and help you attack another farm and kill all those cows and rape all those children and then blame the democrats for the rising price of milk...
August 1st, 2008 at 10:48 pmThis is the ultimate reality show, how is C-SPAN not getting the ratings??
But seriously,someone needs to shine a bright light on these obstructionist tactics, and blowhard grandstanding because it is obvious that the Majority of Americans do not know a damn thing about how these jackals are running the country.
The purpose of the vote the other day that they sabotaged, was essentially going to abolish the Enron Loophole which has been the impetus to the rising energy costs. It's all about the speculators.
Just frustrating that politics gets in the way of these clowns doing their job of running the country for the betterment of American citizens. these a$$hoes are obviously bought and paid for by the energy industry and should be investigated by the IRS- that's right, let's sic the dogs on them.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:59 pmRepublicans are insane - this just proves it. Strange, deranged, out-of-touch, crazy loonies. And don't say they aren't - this story just verifies how wacko they are. Scary.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:00 pmThey wont gain ain traction from this stunt. People are wise to it and getting wiser everyday. Its like a one trick circus. The first visit to the circus your entertained, the second visit your disillusioned and the third visit you swear off the circus.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pmum... it's worse than you think... they are getting away with it -
and in a big way...
reading some of these comments... we are so fooked.
House Dems turn out the lights but GOP keeps talking
August 1st, 2008 at 11:03 pmhttp://www.politico.com/blogs/thecrypt/0808/House_Dems_turn_out_out_the_light_but_GOP_keep_talking.html
if that's not a fright-wing blog, we are fooked royally.
House Conservatives Engage In Political Stunt, Demand A Vote On Gas Prices After Obstructing A Vote»
What does this make...obstruction #86? After all these criminal repukes dis say they would do this, obstruct business, so they can accuse the dems for getting nothing done. And they know they have the complicit fascist media... thank you Bill Clinton ...to help convince the public See the dems will not help vote for lower gas prices.... they do not care
I urge the talented bloggers here to also visit and blog in comments in online newspapers ... especially the ones with no progressive radio stations. I have been doing this and am shocked to find how far behind too many are.
This lying media may pull the votes to McCain.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:11 pmbiffmctavish says:
Now, if you meant terrorist, then you would be living next to Ayers, Che or Ilich Ramirez Sanchez. If I lived next to them, I would do all those things. And I wouldn’t care about the price of milk.
what about jim adkisson?
oh, that's right,
he's a friend of yours.
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sorry
#
good luck.
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August 1st, 2008 at 11:16 pmWell, Biff, I recall Bush saying he talked to GOD.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pm"If you have 10 cows and you’re only milking 5, and the price of a gallon of milk is one dollar. If you want the price to go down, you milk the other 5."
That works Biff if we nationalize the oil companies...you in? I love how the rubes that support the Republican Party come in here and try out the RNC talking points.
What's keeping the oil companies from "drilling more" right this minute? They got 83MM acres of our land under leases. Biff, it costs capital money to invest in oil rigs and pipelines to get the oil. Not only is that ROI delayed into the future at some unknown date (and no guarantee by the way that they'll have a producer, either), but that's not maximizing the stockholder's investment (or the management bonus which is contingent on profits)RIGHT NOW. They make more profits buying the oil from the ME...and we, the taxpayer, helps to protect that supply option through our $500BB/year military budget. You know, privatize the profits, socialize the risk....the Republican business model.
Now, if you want to nationalize Big Oil and pay the American people those profits in the form of cheaper energy prices and more jobs, that's a pretty intriguing idea. I suspect that the Grand Oil Party will have some problems with that, though.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:17 pmThe Americam people already subsidize [invest] in big oil, where is their proceeds?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:19 pmAnd Biff, why werent these GOP folks worried about energy from 1994 to 2006? They had plenty of time to create legislation to help keep prices down, but chose not to.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:22 pmI say, when the next Congress convenes and Obama is President, First order of business is to bill the Big Oil companies 50% of our defense expenditure, say $250BB, for services rendered...every year. We take that $250BB and make ourselves energy independent from foreign sources of energy. Invest in education, tax breaks for alternative/renewable energy, and new infrastructure to reflect a post peak oil society.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:25 pmThis makes no sense to me. Don’t you people know that McCain and Bush are liberals? Why would you really care if McCain gets elected? The only reason conservatives will vote for McCain is because Obama is a Marxist. -Boff
Well, Biff, since you dont seem to understand the radical roots of neo-conservatism and why they werent embraced by the 'left' I wont go into that. As for your Marxist rant you really need to study the roots of neo-conservatism before projecting your unproven opinion about who and what is Marxism.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:26 pmYea, nationalize the oil companies and make it retro-active from 2001. Record profits for the good ol' USA. Talk about patriotic.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pmI’m am of a different opinion because I don’t expect the government to wipe my butt for me -Biff
But thats what your expecting here, now.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:30 pmI’m sure that the dems will solve this problem just like they did poverty. -Biff
Again I point to the years 1994 to 2006 - in which poverty was not alleviated under Republican control.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:32 pmWhy Biff the whole reason for outsourcing jobs is because poverty is cheap labor.
In other words outsourcing labor to communist countries.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:35 pmThat’s the dumbest thing anybody could ever say. If you want to talk about roots, then why did it take a republican to write the Emancipation proclamation? Where’s your roots buddy? -Biff
We are talking ebout energy, not some legislation Lincoln didnt believe in.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pmLOL, Biff answers my post about Marxism with something about the emancipation proclamation. Bwah.
What does the cost of eggs have to do with the cost of tea in china Biff?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:40 pmThese guys hate government and they should never be elected to public office. Vote against any (R).
August 1st, 2008 at 11:41 pmDude, I already commented to your comment. Think of something to say. -Biff
Okay, fine, GOPer shouldnt engage in Los Pinos theatrics as:
A; They are bad actors.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:42 pmB; They are bad actors.
If you think the modern Republican party is even remotely CLOSE to Abraham Lincoln in ideology, I have a bridge to sell you. Every single Republican administration in the last 3 decades have expanded federal government, increased spending, increased the deficits, and inserted both religious and privacy-invading policy into government to unheard of degrees.
Why is it that the dollar gets stronger when Democrats are in office, Biff? Why is it that the deficit goes down when Democrats are in office, Biff? Why is it that human rights go up, and the overall standard of living for ALL citizens go up when the Democrats are in office, Biff? Why is it that we engage in considerably less warfare when the Democrats are in office, Biff? Simple. The Republicans haven't been CONSERVATIVE since Goldwater left the party in disgust, and the Dixiecrats were kicked out of the Democratic party and immediately joined the Republicans.
The modern Republican party is a disgrace, and utterly soil all of the good their party has done in the past. They disgust me. If an actual conservative ran for office, and actually fought for truly conservative values, they might actually do some good. Instead, the modern Republican party is full of FASCISTS, not conservatives.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:45 pmIf you want to talk about roots, then why did it take a republican to write the Emancipation proclamation?
And Blacks only gave the Republican Party 11% of the vote in 2004. Any guesses on what % Republicans will get in November? I know, Biff, those presumptuous blacks are sooo ungrateful. Why aren't they kissing the lily white ass of the Jesse Helms/Strom Thurmond Party for what a different Republican Party did 143 years ago?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:46 pmXisithrus Says:
LOL, Biff answers my post about Marxism with something about the emancipation proclamation. Bwah.
What does the cost of eggs have to do with the cost of tea in china Biff?
Biff will answer that by accusing Obama of commiting genocide in Darfur.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:53 pmLol, IB
August 1st, 2008 at 11:57 pmYou don’t know anything about Darfur. You sound silly when you mention it. -Boff
How do you know what IB knows and does not know? You sound silly when you talk like the amazing Kreskin.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:58 pmBiff-
You need to increase your comments of stupid here or you won't get those valuable McCain posting points in your RNC account- redeemable for cheap, made-in-China crap.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:58 pmbiffmctavish Says:
Innocent Bystander:
You don’t know anything about Darfur. You sound silly when you mention it.
Well Biff, I know if they milked 10 cows instead of 5 they'd have twice as much milk.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:02 amOkay, Biff, heres a question my friend asked me. If I were to open a store and sell only made [and assembled] goods from America, what would the shelves in my store have on them?
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 amWell Biff, I know if they milked 10 cows instead of 5 they’d have twice as much milk. -IB
Bwah ha ha
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 amIf the Oil companies are drilling on leased land, meaning land that belongs to the People of the United States of America, and they are reaping record profits from OUR OIL, then 1) why are they not paying taxes on it, and 2) why are Americans not getting a dividend?
Also, Big OIL is also sitting on leased land and not even utilizing it, so why on gods green earth should we allow them to drill off shore and in ANWR??? Is this just a big land grab by Bush and his OIL buddies before he leaves office?
Seriously- WTF?
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:11 amWilson started WWI -Biff
Wilson also signed the FED into existence and began the devaluation of your dollar.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:12 amHa, looks like the Republicans stayed to do the will of the people while pelosi and the other stalinists got an early start on their 5 week vacations.
How nice of them. Meanwhile, the regular folks will continue to shovel our money-for-oil into the foriegn countries that hate us at about $4.00 per gallon.
Enjoy your vacation pelosi.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:13 amIt would be like if Coca Cola extracted, bottled then sold Atlanta tap water. Oh wait, that is Dasani. they ARE doing that. I guess that is the ultimate corporate business plan, to sell what does not belong to you.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:14 amJohnson didnt start the Vietnam war, the French started it.
The whole think was made completely out of rubbah
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 amhttp://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5899994508238846640&q=Rowley+Birkin&ei=uN-TSP-9Io6g4AKszfSkBQ
Ha, looks like the Republicans stayed to do the will of the people while pelosi and the other stalinists got an early start on their 5 week vacations. -Tim43
They voted down the legislation earlier to make a show for, well, Tims,to believe.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:19 amSeriously, quit commenting because you make no sense. The more you comment the more bored I get. -Boff
Yes, 5 cows versus 10 makes much more sense.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:21 amGas prices rose for the last 12 months when the number of miles driven was the lowest in years (since 2004-2005.)
Prices accelerated in April and May, while people cut back mileage 1.8 and 3.7%.
Look at the graph:
http://www.fuelgaugereport.com/index.asp
This market has nothing to do with supply and demand. It's profit driven. Economists call such markets "inelastic." Health care is similar.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 amSeriously, quit commenting because you make no sense. The more you comment the more bored I get. -Boff
My friend is a staunch conservative who I respect.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:22 amCutting edge intellectual political thought from Biff-
Your argument is full of holes. Besides it’s your opinion and your opinion is dumb. The dollar, the deficit, human rights, standard of living…..Carter was a democrat. Wilson started WWI, Johnson started the war in Vietnam and Roosevelt started WWII. Robert Byrd was a Dixicrat, a member of the KKK, and a find Democrat
This is a black hole of dumbness....
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:24 amI see our pet trolls have wasted another Friday night blathering about what they know nothing about. And taking the losing position from the start. It must have a frightful effect on their self esteem.
G'night good people.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:26 amYou too trolls.
What a caring leader. -Joke Scary [Pseudo Dem]
Gas prices climbed for years and Bush did nothing, nor did the GOP from 1994-2006. It seems to me, Scary, you confuse profits with care. Why the GOP cared so much they blocked legislation just so they could sit in the dark and whine.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:29 amOf course her view is the lib made up theory that drilling would take 10 years. It wouldn’t. Sorry. Maybe two years is the REAL figure. -joke scary
So why didnt the GOP force big oil to drill more in 2006 before they were ousted? Huh? Why?
As for oil, we have plenty of oil, what we dont have is refineries, which, BTW is running at about 85% capacity. There is no fule shortage. See any lines at gas stations? We have capped wells all over America.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 amAll free markets are based on supply and demand. ECON 101 -Boff
Oh put a sock in it. They are not based on supply and demand the current oil spike disproves your 101 rote trained theorem.
The fact is the supply is being intentionally limited and the demand has dropped while prices have risen.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 amDoes it seem weird (wrong) to anyone else that gasoline consumption is significantly down from the last few years, yet Exxon was still able to break all records for profits. Can someone explain why our military fights for their product and they get subsidies?
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:34 amSo, Biff, if the markets are 'free' why is government bailing out the 'free market'
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:37 amNow I see I was too quick to judge. -Boff
You shouldnt judge, it makes you an ASSumer.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 amADDdaddy Says:
Also, Big OIL is also sitting on leased land and not even utilizing it, so why on gods green earth should we allow them to drill off shore and in ANWR???
Big Oil has no attention of drilling in ANWAR or off-shore. It's simply a foil for their front company, the RNC, to use to distract and deflect from real energy solutions. ANWAR's got 2 years of usable reserves and there's too much risk in developing oil off-shore. But rubes, like Biff and Tim43, buy it.
Republicans have had the Executive Branch for 8 years and Congress for 6....no energy policy. Oil went from $30.00 barrel to $150.00. We went from a $250BB budget surpplus to a $450BB deficit (adding a few trillion dollars to the deficit in the process). Mission accomplished.
Just read some of Biff's postings here.....you can understand why they are paying Sean Hannity and Rush Limbaugh $500MM - they've been quite effective in dumbing down our political discourse and getting a significant number of Americans to vote against their best interests.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 amBiff, Biff...Ohhhhh Bifff
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:43 amToo bad these corrupt Republicans didn't all troop downstairs into the House basement...and see if they could all fit into the House jail...which is where they all belong.
Elderly citizens across America will die this summer because they couldn't afford to pay their utility bills, and run their air conditioners.
And all because these corrupt, certifiably-insane Republicans once again blocked Democratic Party efforts to lower energy prices by passing desperately-needed legislation to rein in the unregulated, out of control energy market gamers and spammers.
So, every one of these criminal Republicans should be locked up in the House's basement jail, with the electricity turned off (or vents closed) so that there is no air conditioning...
...with the understanding that they'll be freed only when they vote to actually help lower energy costs...instead of pushing for drilling in restricted areas, which will only start producing years from now and will only have a minimal impact of gasoline prices even then.
Come November, all these crazed Republicans deserve to be driven out of the House of Representatives, and chased to edge of town after being tarred and feathered. (After which, they can call on the oil spills expert to come help them get the tar off their bodies. This would seem to be a fitting reward for what they've just done to a large number of impoverished senior citizens, who are having a hard time keeping their electricity turned on and air conditioners running).
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 amBiff blustered:
All free markets are based on supply and demand. ECON 101.
Please name one market today that is free (no distortion introduced by suppliers/consumers/government). Your model is pure theory that exists nowhere in the world today.
Here's what you don't understand. A well regulated market, where a government makes sure that rules are followed and applied evenly between all suppliers and buyers, makes for the best market.
Republicans have been deregulating markets since Reagan. Bush has further destroyed the market mechanisms by allowing crooked companies to game the system. Republicans can't compete in a well regulated market...they've ripped off consumers and investors just don't trust the market today. That's why the market is in shambles. They aren't entrprenaurial capitalists, they are political opportunists who use government to make themselves rich.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:56 amI think you made an error here. You said that oil is intentionally being limited.
Yes, it is. No, its not an error.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:00 ambiff, Good thing the government is getting some of the profits from oil, since the government is for the people and the oil belongs to all of us.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:03 amSharing the world rocks! Hogging the world sucks.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 amteh stupid, it hurts...
use a dictionary, trooll.
it doesn't mean what you think it means...
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:06 amTell me your theory of why fuel prices are so high -Boff
If you notice fuel prices started climbing as the credit/housing bubble [SIV] burst. Hedge fund investors began pouring billions into commodities such as oil. Like gold when the dollar value drops and investors start looking for a safe place [risk] to place their money, these commodities climb in value, just as gold has increased in value so has oil. Speculators, backed by investment banks, are, as with the mortgage/credit bubble, creating a highly leveraged hedge.
Whats so hard to understand about this?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:07 ambiff, Care to share who you're voting for and what's your least favorite thing about McCain?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:08 amDo you even read what you write? What’s wrong with you? -Biff
Do you even comment on the subject at hand, whats wrong with you?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:08 ambiffmctavish Says:
Innocent Bystander:
You are a joke. I guess when Democrats flagellate flowers come out.
I'm crushed, Biff. Suggestion: check a dictionary before using big words that you don't understand. It makes your point (and you)look kinda stupid.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 ambiffmctavish Says:
I think you made an error here. You said that oil is intentionally being limited. Are you suggesting we should increase the supply? Tell me your theory of why fuel prices are so high. Exxon made a 12 billion dollar profit this quarter. The government made 39 billion dollar profit on oil. Who’s really getting rich?
Fuel prices are high, because of speculation - and the fact that there are hundreds of already drilled wells, that have been capped since the late seventies, that no one in Big Oil wants to talk about.
The drilling scam has already fallen flat, with gas prices here in San Diego falling fifty cents in the last two weeks.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:09 amXisithrus Says:
Tell me your theory of why fuel prices are so high -Boff
If you notice fuel prices started climbing as the credit/housing bubble [SIV] burst. Hedge fund investors began pouring billions into commodities such as oil. Like gold when the dollar value drops and investors start looking for a safe place [risk] to place their money, these commodities climb in value, just as gold has increased in value so has oil. Speculators, backed by investment banks, are, as with the mortgage/credit bubble, creating a highly leveraged hedge.
Whats so hard to understand about this?
I feel short changed in this online conversation. We educate Biff and all we get in return are some strange ideas about milking cows to increase oil output.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:13 amI feel short changed in this online conversation. We educate Biff and all we get in return are some strange ideas about milking cows to increase oil output. -IB
Biff oils his cows them pumps them, perhaps. =)
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:16 amBiff you drilling your cows for butter again?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:17 ambiffmctavish Says:
Innocent Bystander:
You flagellated, but I didn’t smell flowers.
I just masticated...did you hear it?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:19 amJust the about 2 weeks ago Bush said that he was removing the moratorium off of off shore drilling, and the prices have fallen. -Biff
Its not due to the moratorium biff, its due to high prices which resulted in less consumption.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:22 amBesides the moratorium you speak of was put in place by a Bush.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:23 amXisithrus Says:
Biff you drilling your cows for butter again?
As long as he isn't flagellating them, what he does in the barn with his cows is his business. ;-)
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:23 amAs long as he isn’t flagellating them, what he does in the barn with his cows is his business. ;-)
lol
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:25 amMost people will sell their stocks if they know a company is challenged or going bankrupt. Creating a over abundant supply of that stock. Thus, lowering the price -Biff
Tell me about Bear Stearns again?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:26 amJust the about 2 weeks ago Bush said that he was removing the moratorium off of off shore drilling, and the prices have fallen.
The prices started dropping before the announcement.
Thanks for ignoring the point about the already drilled, capped wells. That tells me you're only interested in talking about the problem, rather than actually fixing it.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:27 amCreating a over abundant supply of that stock. Thus, lowering the price. Oil futures work the same way. -Biff
Were talking about futures contracts, not stock.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:28 amI can see Biff is to brainwashed by oil company propaganda, to ever look at the problem objectively.
Have fun with him guys, but don't forget to clean up the mess.
Adios, til tomorrow.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 amYeah, that’s called supply and demand. You suggested that supply and demand didn’t have anything to do with high oil prices -Biff
No, the high prices had nothing to do with demand, as you just agreed with, its about futures. High prices werent created by demand but high prices reduced demand. Not supply.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:32 amI’m officially ignoring you for your ridiculous comments.
Bwah, Im so damaged.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:33 amI am reminded of something I learned as a teem concering engine timing.
Dwell affects timing
Timing does not affect dwell.
Price is not related to demand
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:38 amAlthough price affects demand
Biff-
If you can read a barchart, you might want to see how well your Republican Party is looking after you-
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e230/MeteorBlades/3-27-08tax2-f2.jpg
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:50 ambiff, Could you explain what you mean by "propaganda profiteer"?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:51 amI will be voting against Obama because I believe that he is a Marxists -Biff
Belief is not enough, you made the argument he is Marxist and thus the burden of proof falls upon your shoulders.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:54 amIf you can prove that Obama is Marxist then I will belief you, Biff, but dont expect me, ever, to agree with pundit [tabloidal] opine.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:56 amA confused Biff says-
I will not be voting for anyone in this election. I will be voting against Obama because I believe that he is a Marxists and a propaganda profiteer.
So I guess this means you'll be voting for McCain because Obama is a Democrat, correct? You really think a constitutional law professor is a Marxist? You are too funny.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:59 amTake care of those cows, Biff. Enjoyed flagellating you tonight. :-) I'll check back tomorrow to see your answers to Xisithrus on how Obama is a Marxist...it ought to be amusing!
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 amLet me put an idea out there. In 1985, the cost of a Nuclear power plant was approximately $5 Billion. When I looked into a Solar system that would produce more than I consume, I was looking at about $24,000.
Now, I had an idea. Assuming the government put the $8 - $10 Billion for a nuclear power plant (assuming some increase in price), we could produce more than enough for ~ 375,000 families. now if you include the cost to maintain the plants, you talk can add quite a few more. Also, I would be willing (and I am sure many others would be), to pay for a portion. That allows for even more people to be covered. A whole new industry of Solar panels would explode. Maintenance and installation would create jobs. That sounds like a plan.
Now let's examine the National Security interests for this plan. There would be no way to destroy the power infrastructure, let alone risks for radiation, etc..
Now I know that the power industry really doesn't compete with the Oil industry, but what if we start having electric cars? Or even hybrids?
Anyway, these gimmicks are getting frustrating and tiresome. There are real solutions out there - maybe this plan isn't perfect, but it is a start. It is much better than "get off oil by drilling more oil". We can solve our problems IF we can get past rhetoric, greed, and ideology. I have friends that have given their lives for this country. They died so that America (NOT THE HOMELAND) could be everything we believed it could be.
I am sick and tired of patriotism being hijacked for personal gain and self gratification. I see what we could be, and I am losing hope that we will get there.
Sorry for the rant, but that is what a few glasses of scotch will do for you
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:04 amHas anyone ever actually met a Marxist or is that just some stupid shit that gets tossed around? Me I only know Leninists.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:16 amDan, I like the way you think.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:17 amI was going to be a Trotskyite but I couldn't handle the ice pick in the forehead thing. That's gotta hurt!
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:21 amHow'd Sergei Kirov get whacked? I had a great Russian History prof but still I forget. I sort of liked Kirov
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 amThe Leninists are the ones who believe in glass caskets, right? I think I could handle that. I mean, they wait til your dead, right?
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 amKirov was shot in the back of the neck according to wikipedia. I don't know much about Russian history. But in grade school my brother and I each read a book about the Hungarian revolution and how it was suppressed. To this day, neither of us are comfortable around glass rods.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:32 amThat's right. I actually did a paper on Kirove for that class but it was a long time ago. There was some suggestion that it may have had more to do with screwing around with some other dude's wife than anything else but who knows. Even though I was a science major Russian history and Chinese history were two of my favorite course. Well other than Coed Relaxation. For real, I really took a class called that...
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:41 amCoed Relaxation, was that late 70's, early 80's? I miss those 'vibes' for lack of a better word.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:53 amEarly 80's. Basically it was Yoga. My all time favorite for shear weirdness though was Nonwestern Views of Person, Space, Time, and Reality. I don't remember much of that though as the whole thing was like some bizarre mescaline induced freakshow. Everytime I see the Simpson's episode with the Guatemalian Insanity Pepper, I am reminded of it...Any oddities in your ed program?
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:01 amI went to school in the early 80's but dropped out. Was a psych. major. Went back very part-time 5 years ago, when our youngest started 1st grade. Among the strange things Ive encountered was my Early American history textbook in 2003. Most of the precolonial section was on Christopher Columbus, portrayed as the unrewarded hero. China was mentioned about 5 times, but no description of the native people of Hispanolia. Slavery of Indians was described as something like labor in exchange for legal protection and religious guidance. It was insane and a shock to me how much some things have regressed. Similar story with Economics text preaching supercapitalism. It was a heckuva lot more fun in the 80's!
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:20 amI'm gonna hit the hay, but I'll check back in the morning to see if you had more to say. Nice talking with ya, dbadass.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:23 amI forget what it is called but there is a book which has excerpts of from the history texts of different nations relative to the same world events. It is sort of interesting. The Social Studies curriculum at the high school here pulls right big time but I never actually look at the text. I should probably do that in the next ten years before my kids get it thrust upon them.
I got get...
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:36 ambest-
Are we stuck with wannabe Frankenstein, box-headed, dangerous skankity all night?
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:05 amI get the biggest kick out of the GOP. These people are stupid.
They are looking for a "brand" for their party without a clue that we, the American public, have branded them quite accurately. The GOP brand is on of corruption, torture, pre-emptive war and politics before people.
The GOP, Bush and the neocons have squandered the health wealth and security of our nation and they were on the road to completing the installation of a puppet/shadow government until the 2006 election jumped up and bit them in the ass.
I was completely unpolitical until I witnessed the theft of the presidency in 2000 with the help of Katherine Harris and Anton "Fat Tony" Scalia. What I have come to know is that liberals/Democrats are just plain better people than conservatives/republicans.
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:43 am#90, wow, posting facts gets dissed as "not thinking for yourself".
Funny, why aren't the boys in the Capital sharing these facts? It's because they want to perpetuate the myth of elastic markets, what you call ECON 101.
In inelastic markets, producers can do what they want with price and demand varies little. Gasoline is up 110% in a year and people drive 5% fewer miles. That speaks to an inelastic supply & demand curve.
Bush proposed harvesting those same forces to reign in healthcare costs. Al Hubbard, thankfully retired from public service, spouted the Bush myth while legions of Americans became uninsured or went bankrupt due to high medical bills. But Al took care of his buds, big health insurance companies. High deductible health plans, Bush's signature idea to save American health care, are highly profitable for the WellPoint's and UnitedHealth's.
You have a chance to learn something on this board, other than all the ways your name can be abused. Take advantage of it.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:27 amcabbinbagger Says:
The Democratic Congress deserves their 17% approval rating today just as the Republicans deserved their political trouncing two-years ago. They’ve been just as obstructionist, and they’ve been less effective in promoting any kind of agenda, than their Republican predecessors, and we are all paying for it, literally.
LIE.
The OBSTRUCTIONISTS, as usual are the WAR CRIMINAL and MORALLY (and idea) BANKRUPT Rapeublicans.
A RECORD number of FILIBUSTERS for ONE Congressional session.
So, just another LIE. Like when O'Dildo, trying to browbeat Scott McClellan, says:
"Well, we both KNOW George Bush is a GOOD MAN".
LIE. RIGHT THERE. GO NO FURTHER.
Logical thought shows that when you start with a FALSE PREMISE (i.e. LIE), NOTHING afterwards can LOGICALLY come from that premise.
So, just LIE. WAR CRIMINALS.
MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
May he DROP DEAD soon, and BURN for ETERNITY with his MASTER Satan.
And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING for his GENOCIDE.
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:05 amArn @ 106-
I'm with you Arn. The Republican trolls don't understand that while Democrats may be unhappy with some of our Congress people, we know they aren't the same class of humans that migrate to the Organized Crime Party.
The solution to our frustration is:
1) Elect Obama and take back the Executive Branch of government (D0J, EPA, GAO, DoD, etc)
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:19 am2) Keep the pressure on Congress and Obama to drive a progressive agenda and hold the criminals accountable for the wanton destruction of our economy and international reputation.
3) Run better Democrats in primaries to get rid of the DINO's that have sandbagged our agenda.
More data for the public to explore. It's highway miles driven for the last decade or so:
http://www.bts.gov/publications/white_house_economic_statistics_briefing_room/may_2008/html/highway_vehicle_miles_traveled.html
What happened to gas prices while demand soared, from 1992 to 2004?
Mile driven roughly levelled off from 2004-present. What happened to prices?
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:21 amBelow is a link to a graph that can help answer those two questions:
http://www.randomuseless.info/gasprice/gasprice.html
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:25 am#160 stateofthedivision, Thank's for the link's, interesting...I can remember very well when gas was .16 cent's a gallon and I ran all over southern Calif, on $4.00 a week..Now I spend $20.00 a month and must limit my driving..Being retired I can do that..
Ran into another rep. at the pump last month with bush sticker's still on his SUV cussing at the $4.39 price...Told him next time don't vote in oil men...I got the glaring snarl "what doe's that have to do with it"?...My response was "war profateer's and oil magnet's will raise your price's every time."....He mumbled and slammed around then left...He spent over $70.00 and I was still on my 20 buck's..No suprise there...Guess he didn't like all my Impeach bush bumper sticker's.LOL......Blessings
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:58 amSo sad watching these oil-addict whores. Give 'em a chance and they'll sell their children for a fix.
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:21 amFrom Exxon's press release on Thursday:
"The industry says it's investing as much as it can in finding new oil, but is having a hard time given the shortage of workers and equipment in the sector.
Notice that Exxon's complaint is a lack of workers and equipment, not a shortage of places to drill as the GOP would have you believe."
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:41 amTruthout.org new release, Obama favor's limited off shore drilling, Friday's speech......Check it out.....Blessings
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:56 amTripleKick X Says:
Democrats are clearly scared of democracy. They know they’ll lose the vote, so they took their ball and went home.
Meanwhile energy remains the number one issue for voters come November.
Energy was the number one issue THREE DECADES AGO, when Jimmy Carter told the country that our energy situation constituted a "clear and present danger" to our national interest. You can find the video online, just google "Carter malaise speech 1979". "malaise" was how the 'tards of the time mocked and dismissed his effort, and of course we can see now he was dead-on right. Carter initiated an effort to freeze oil imports at 1977 levels, radically exploit wind, solar and alternative fuels technologies, and drastically increase fuel efficiency. His program was canceled by THE SENILE GIMPER practically the first second he hobbled into the Oval Office, and rethugs, as well as dumber breeds of dems have whored for the oil companies ever since. There's this little thing in life called CONSEQUENCES, and nut-'tards like triplekick here seem to have no idea what they are. The chance to avoid the crisis is decades gone. Thanks to right-wing greed and hatred of the environment, we're screwed. And now, thirty years later the best they can do is "blame Pelosi"? Pathetic, but typical.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:18 pmWitch1 Says:
Truthout.org new release, Obama favor’s limited off shore drilling, Friday’s speech……Check it out…..Blessings
The full story is that he favors it on leases that the oil companies already hold and only in conjunction with a comprehensive energy bill that contains provisions for alternative energies, mandating the oil companies drill on their own leased land first and then and only then, offshore drilling. And this is not a change for Obama. It has been part of his energy policy for a long time.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:23 pmWhat happened to gas prices while demand soared, from 1992 to 2004?
Biff: Rezko
Mile driven roughly levelled off from 2004-present. What happened to prices?
Biff: Tony Rezko
I said look at the graphs, I take you heard graft.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:32 pmDanCaveman @140 -
mmmmm scotch...
but i digress... love all your points... it all makes sense to me too...
seems so simple, doesn't it?
should be...
BUT WHAT ABOUT THE OIL COMPANY PROFITS???
THINK ABOUT THE MILLIONAIRES! HOW WILL THEY SURVIVE?!?
and, which solar company did you look into?
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:33 pmany that would help me out here in central illinois?
Badger Says:
From Exxon’s press release on Thursday:
“The industry says it’s investing as much as it can in finding new oil, but is having a hard time given the shortage of workers and equipment in the sector."
And next week, it'll be the "onerous" environmental requirements imposed by government.
And the week after, it'll be "business-stifling legislation," that creates an uncertain investment climate for investment in exploration.
The glass is always half-empty with these guys.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:39 pmSomeone needs to tell Republicans in Congress that they aren't in High School anymore. They could care less about the pain average Americans are going through as a result of THEIR parties policies over the last 10 years.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:44 pmbarfly - "... the shortage of workers and equipment in the sector.”
i read there were some folks looking for work lately...
i read that the oilcos made some good money lataly...
maybe they could work something out... maybe...
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:59 pmmarlow @ 169 says:
Energy was the number one issue THREE DECADES AGO, when Jimmy Carter told the country that our energy situation constituted a “clear and present danger” to our national interest. You can find the video online, just google “Carter malaise speech 1979?. “malaise” was how the ‘tards of the time mocked and dismissed his effort, and of course we can see now he was dead-on right. Carter initiated an effort to freeze oil imports at 1977 levels, radically exploit wind, solar and alternative fuels technologies, and drastically increase fuel efficiency. His program was canceled by THE SENILE GIMPER practically the first second he hobbled into the Oval Office, and rethugs, as well as dumber breeds of dems have whored for the oil companies ever since. There’s this little thing in life called CONSEQUENCES, and nut-’tards like triplekick here seem to have no idea what they are. The chance to avoid the crisis is decades gone. Thanks to right-wing greed and hatred of the environment, we’re screwed. And now, thirty years later the best they can do is “blame Pelosi”? Pathetic, but typical.
You nailed it. If we had followed Carter's lead, we'd be energy independent today and not going backrupt by corrupt Republicans with a national security strategy tied to our energy policy.
When Reagan came into office (with that Houston oilman George HW Bush), the 1st 2 things they went after were: taking those solar hot water heaters off the White House and kicking the Department of Energy out of it's Cabinet level position. Instead, the House of Bush negotiated cheap oil with the House of Saud. Good for the economy (short term), better for the Bush family and the Republican Party, long term. We got "Morning in America"...but as night follows day, we're in a "Evening in America" phase that will only get better once we stop pandering to Big Oil.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:27 pmCan the GOP get anymore convoluted and contradictory.... it`s the same old crap from thes guys.Political Theatrics at it`s best,don`t they know that we know they already fillabustered an energy bill this week,are these guys retarded or what....?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:37 pm#175, Read the all the articles on Obama and drilling.He wants it linked to a comprehensive Energy bill that will work now not later.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:46 pmThe press is reporting Obama's position as...
The Illinois Democrat caused a stir this week when he announced he would support a compromise plan in Congress that would allow some offshore oil drilling, REVERSING HIS LONGSTANDING OPPOSITION . He argued that drilling is part of a larger energy package that includes many other items that he backs.
Offshore drilling is a major issue in Florida and other coastal states with miles of pristine beaches, which are a staple of the tourism industry that drives their economies.
"At some point people are going to have to make decisions. Are we going to keep arguing or are we going to get things done?" Obama said.
"What I don't want to do is for the best to be the enemy of the good," he said. "And if we can come up with a genuine bipartisan compromise, in which I have to accept some things that I don't like or the Democrats have to accept some things that they don't like in exchange for actually moving us in the direction of actual energy independence, then that's something I'm open to."
I guess it matters what "some offshore drilling " means.If this country keeps on the same energy track, We'll all be bankrupt before one drop of new offshore oil hits the market.
By moving to this new "Compromise Language", Obama is de-fusing a potent Republican issue, and establishing himself as a candidate willing to compromise with Republicans.
I think it's a smart move, especially if it is coupled with a Windfall profits tax going to rebates for American Families.
Offshore Drilling is in very DEEP Water, and the oil is Deeper still under the Ocean Floor. If we get a Renewable Energy Plan going, it might not even be economically feasable for oil companies to go after this Very Deep Resource. And... one Hurricane Induced Major Oil Spill with these Deep Water Rigs will do to Offshore Drilling what 3 mile Island did for Nuclear Power.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:46 pmBiff @ 180
Lets try to stay on topic. You obviously have ADD. Lets focus on energy policy and the Republican's lack of one.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:49 pm#176, go TROLLIG elseware,like Iraq maybe, you are way off subject.Like your SHRUB and Mcwars have made trips to Columbia to work on free trade with a gov`t that assassinate labor leaders opposed to their policies.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:51 pmBadger, nicely said.The reich can`t handle Obama and his wiilingness to compromise at all.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:53 pmBiff @ 179 sputters-
Again, Obama flip flops in order to get the support of the people.
Yeah, pretty shocking, isn't it? Trying to get elected and all. Obama's willing to play along and take away the Republic talking point on this issue. You probably don't understand the information that's been provided you in this thread, but the point is, Big Oil isn't going to be doing any drilling, regardless of what the Republicans are telling you. They have no energy policy (see past 7 years of Republican non-policy)...this is smoke and mirrors to dazzle rubes, like you.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:54 pmOur U.S. Government at work:
"A tale told by an idiot full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:56 pmchristopher wiwi Says:
#176, go TROLLIG elseware,like Iraq maybe, you are way off subject.
Are you sure this was meant for me?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:57 pm183, what were the dems proposing,more regulation over commodities trading.......?
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:58 pm183, i`m still waiting for an answer.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:06 pmHow`s about uncapping the wells in the Naval Petroleum Reseves in Alaska.....?And the same in Texas and California...
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:08 pmchristopher wiwi Says:
183, what were the dems proposing,more regulation over commodities trading…….?
Absolutely...Obama's position on that was clear in June. That's certainly a component in the short term solution. But we have to stop viewing oil as our only energy choice to invest in long term.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:08 pmbiffmctavish IS: Racking up some McCant points! Yeehaw
What a transparent moron
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:10 pmI.B, I agree we need to put Al Gores plan into action.WE need a Manhattan Style alternative energy plan now from Obama.Carter had it right 30 years ago he saw the future and now we import 90% of our oil and export most of what is pulled up out of the ground here.Forget drilling and exploration uncap those wells for now, this is literally killing ou economy.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:15 pmBiff @ 191-
What does this say about Obama’s comments about opening up drilling?
That says, Biff, that he's willing to compromise on a talking point he knows won't happen anyway. He's not going to let the Republicans and their media supporters use this as an election wedge.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:18 pmInnocent Bystander Says:
Biff @ 187
There, fixed it for you IB.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:24 pmSeriously though, you should quit feeding the Troll. It is evident that it cant learn or comprehend.
christopher wiwi Says:
How`s about uncapping the wells in the Naval Petroleum Reseves in Alaska…..?And the same in Texas and California…
Sure, why not? Bid out the services to extract/refine those reserves. At the same time, start billing Big Oil for our military services needed to keep their supply line open (cost of doing business). When the true costs of oil acquisition are dialed in, that will make renewable/alternative more attractive. It will also make domestic oil production more attractive (we won't need 100 billion dollar aircraft carriers providing security for Exxon Mobil). We can start reducing our $500BB/year military budget and re-allocate that money to domestic spending (infrastructure repair, education, tax breaks to the bottom 90%, etc).
Use the immediate money from Big Oil to offer tax incentives to create jobs and technology in the new energy sector and the necessary infrastructure changes for a post-oil energy economy.
Of course, this will be the political battle of the century...the Republican Oil Party will do whatever it takes to stop the Democrats from slaying their #1 source of political funds.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:34 pmBest estimates are that approximately 17 billion barrels of oil can be recovered by offshore drilling. Our country burns 21 million barrels A DAY, so if all the oil lying offshore could be magically brought up and dumped into tank farms it would power the country for slightly more than two years. ANWR is estimatewd to contain approximately 10 billion barrels; again, practically nothing compared to the needs of our oil-addicted country, kept addicted largely by republican oil-company whores. It can't be brought up all at once, it can only be sucked out slowly over decades through a lot of tiny straws, so it does nothing to solve the crisis that REAGAN should have PAID ATTENTION TO ALL THOSE YEARS AGO. Reagan lied through his teeth that Carter was projecting his own "malaise" on a great nation that had no energy problems, and now McBush is lying through his teeth that wrecking our coastlines will fill your gas tanks again with cheap fuel. And oil companies fought any and all efforts at conservation with multi-million dollar propaganda campaigns and multi-million dollar political contributions to idiots. Thirty years of the oiligarchy getting its way and we still here idiots whining about government bureauracracy.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:38 pmWhy, it's almost as funny as McSpin trying to blame Obama for problems which have been created during the 20+ years McSpin has been in the Senate.
Of course, these are the same people who are trying to convince us there's a supply problem while the oil industry is collecting RECORD PROFITS.
Speaking of which, has any oil company suggested that they are willing to invest in drilling rigs, pumping rigs, tankers, pipelines etc. that would be needed to exploit new leases? Has any oil company indicated it's going to make such investments in current leases?
I thought not.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:52 pmRandomChaos Says:
Innocent Bystander Says:
Biff @ 187
There, fixed it for you IB.
Seriously though, you should quit feeding the Troll. It is evident that it cant learn or comprehend.
True enough...but I find him entertaining, in a pathetic sort of way. I'm not sure what his purpose is here....he can't put forth a cogent argument on anything related to energy or politics. Perhaps it is some weird kind of humiliation thing that attracts him here. Perhaps lonely trolls just like to be acknowledged, even if it isn't particularly complimentary.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:57 pmPete says
Speaking of which, has any oil company suggested that they are willing to invest in drilling rigs, pumping rigs, tankers, pipelines etc. that would be needed to exploit new leases? Has any oil company indicated it’s going to make such investments in current leases?
The 800 lb gorrilla in the room, Pete. Why make that kind of capital investment, with risk to future profits, when you can get all the oil you want at the House of Saud Oil Station? I don't see any compelling reason why management/stockholders would tinker with a business model that's providing record quarterly profits.
It's kind of funny how the Republican mantra is "Drill More". Are they going to compel Big Oil to drill those wells? Through government regulation? And demand, by law, that the oil pumped goes to the American consumer at below market prices? LOL.
I'm sure Biff will tell us that McCain has a plan to shame BO into doing just that. Just like Bush shamed SA into dropping the price of a barrel of oil from $30.00 to $150.00.
What Big Oil is doing, is letting their front guys in Washington, the GOP, use this as an election club. Only rubes, like Biff, actually think they are serious about doing more drilling here.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:07 pmThere IS a supply problem. Oil production at the world's supergiant fields is either stagnant or in decline. Cantarell in Mexico has crashed about 30% in its production from just a few years ago. Speculators and oil execs. are robbing us blind because no oil producing nation has the the capacity to "throw open the spigots" and dump excess oil on the market to destroy their long positions, like they would have done in a flat second ten years ago. No one, not even Saudi Arabia can "set the floor" of the market. So we are all now at the mercy of the very scumbags who did everything to prevent the conservation of this non-replaceable resource. But remember, it's all Obama's fault.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:08 pmSome Solutions to Mobility...
1. Fund battery research, to move to electric cars. Off the pump and on to the grid.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:10 pm2. Fund research and devlopment into Renewable resources. Solar, Wind, Geothermal, and safe fusion Nuclear energy.
3. Change the zoning laws to allow mixed neighborhoods. Live,Work,Learn , and Shop in the same neighborhood, where people can walk instead of driving.
4. Mass transportation.
5. Make oil companies pay the TRUE cost of doing business.
Badger, you forgot:
6. Inflating your tires.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:16 pm7.
biffmctavish Says:
marlow #198:
Okay if drilling for oil will do nothing to help, and Reagan and Bush are liars, then what’s your solution to mobility in the U.S. economy?
My solution? Invent a time machine, travel back to the 1980 election and keep the person who had half a brain in the presidency. That's about it. When the oil is gone, it's gone. When you're crossing the desert, you use your water carefully, you don't shower with it after every mile because you're a little sweaty. And if someone offers you a thimblefull when you're so dehydrated your piss is turning brown, what's the point?
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:17 pmBiff @ 206-
Thanks. I'm still wondering if a reduction in dairy price supports will help the cows produce more oil. Your thoughts?
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:17 pmAceomalley7,
Very funny. Actually, correct tire presuure could save LOts of Energy. If you want to prove this to yourself....get a bike...let some air out of the tires...pedal uphill.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:19 pmcabbinbagger @ 211
curious...what's your solution? Vote McCain, Nader, Obama, or stay home?
I'm under no illusion that Obama can or will be able to magically restore thinks to 2000. It took 8 years of Republican mismanagement to get us to this point.
I will happily vote for Barack because I know that also means a complete change of management at DoJ, DoD, EPA, GAO, DHS, and every other major department in the bag for Republicans. I also know that Obama's choices for the Supreme Court will not be RW judicial activists like Scalia, Thomas, Alioto.
Lots of good reasons to vote for Democrats this election. Obama is just one of many.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:27 pmBiff @ 215-
Again, you show your limited insight and lack of intelligence. You said, “Just like Bush shamed SA into dropping the price of a barrel of oil from $30.00 to $150.00.” That’s not a drop, that’s an increase.
We can't put anything past you, can we Biff!
LOL
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:30 pmbiffmctavish Says:
...if you remember McCain Feingold bill that prevents corporations from contributing to campaigns.
Campaign contributions from oil industry executives to Sen. John McCain rose dramatically in the last half of June, after the senator from Arizona made a high-profile split with environmentalists and reversed his opposition to the federal ban on offshore drilling.
Oil and gas industry executives and employees donated $1.1 million to McCain last month -- three-quarters of which came after his June 16 speech calling for an end to the ban --
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:33 pmbiffmctavish Says:
You said, “Just like Bush shamed SA into dropping the price of a barrel of oil from $30.00 to $150.00.” That’s not a drop, that’s an increase.
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Uh, Biff??? That's "sarcasm"... (it's a form of "humor", Biffo, me boy...)
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You also suggest that McCain and Bush are in with Big Oil, but if you remember McCain Feingold bill that prevents corporations from contributing to campaigns.
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Hmmm... not quite sure Biff thinks this is a valid point... or even makes sense...
Who did Chaney work for before coming VP? Halliburton... a major player in the oil field... how many options does Cheney still hold in Halliburton? (433,333 at one point...)
And how did the Bush family make their fortune?
NAAAAAAHHHH... those boys aren't linked to the oil industry, Biffo!!!!!
Geez, Biffo.. get a clue, an education... get SOMETHING.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:35 pmbiffmctavish Says: #213
You idiot. Can't you even recognize sarcasm when you're soaking in it? I refer you to post #166. The time to act was thirty years ago. And stop using the word "liberal" as if it was some sort of an insult. A "liberal" had the right idea way back then and was ridiculed by 'tards such as yourself and you can't even see the irony of all your whining in the present. Christ, some people DESERVE not to be able to heat their homes. Have fun in the desert, biff.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:40 pmBiffo sez...
"If you say something enough times it’s true..."
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Uh... Biffo? Much like "sarcasm", you also seem to be unacquainted w/ the concept of "facts". Pointing out the overwhelmingly obvious connections both the POTUS and his Veep have to the Oil Industry isn't "repeating something enough times until it's true"
***Pssst... Biffo??? That's what YOU'RE trying to do...***
Clearly, in addition to being unfamiliar w/ "sarcasm" and "facts", you seem to be a bit of a stranger to "intelligence" too...
Yer right about one thing though, Biffo. Yes, this is fun!!! :-D!
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:57 pmNote class, the near total lack of ability to distinguish fantasy and reality? The projection of it's own lusts and fears upon those it can not understand? These are sure symptoms of terminal trollishness.
This one wouldn't be able to make a point with a pencil sharpener.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:58 pmBiff @ 224
The only difference between RoS's points and your's is that he's got facts to back his statements. Otherwise, you're spot on!
LOL
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:05 pmYou don’t have to go through your whole life “fat, drunk and stupid.”
And you don't have to go through life as a shill for Big Oil, son.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:08 pmAhh the rantings of a truly ignorant Troll.
Comes on here making unsubstantiated claims. Spewing Reich-wing talking points. Refuses to stay On Topic. Doesn't offer up any real opinions or solutions of its own. When called out or refuted, it resorts to name calling and changing the subject.
biffmctavish Says: Nothing Much
@11 He’s right! We have to protect the earth from green house gases. We should not use fossil fuels at all.
@14 If Liberals want the price of milk to go down, they raise taxes.
@45 Gosh! Thank God the Messiah is finally here.
@51 Don’t you people know that McCain and Bush are liberals? Why would you really care if McCain gets elected? The only reason conservatives will vote for McCain is because Obama is a Marxist.
@54 I’m am of a different opinion because I don’t expect the government to wipe my butt for me.
@58 then why did it take a republican to write the Emancipation proclamation?
@68 You don’t know anything about Darfur.
@74 Besides it’s your opinion and your opinion is dumb.
@78 The more you comment the more bored I get.
@94 I thought that Xenophobia was the most boring blogger here.
@101 You are a joke. I guess when Democrats flagellate flowers come out.
@105 Do you have your own opinion about anything? Are you just going to keep regurgitating talking points?
@114 You need to repeat the 9th grade dear. Have a good summer till then.
@119 Oil futures work the same way.
@127 Do you even know what your opinion is?
@129 I’m officially ignoring you for your ridiculous comments.
@133 I will be voting against Obama because I believe that he is a Marxists and a propaganda profiteer.
@162 Rezko the “slum lord”, as Hillary commented, helped Obama purchase a house for $300k less. He’s sorry though.
@176 If Obama is not a Muslim, he sure supports one that murders his own people.
@183 Do you even know what the dems were proposing in that bill? It doesn’t matter though, because Obama solved the energy problem already.
@187 I guess he’s using smoke and mirrors too.
@194 On the other hand, if you’re waiting for the government to solve your problems then hold your breath.
@196 From what you’ve written, you’ve obviously been dropped on your head by your drunken mother.
@201 Okay if drilling for oil will do nothing to help, and Reagan and Bush are liars
@202 to debate or bring up cohesive arguments.
@211 I wish that you would present coherent arguments, instead of regurgitating bile.
@213 Typical liberal tripe. You could put the liberal ideas on this blog on the head of a pin.
@217 you are embarrassed about you own stupidity.
@220 Well, I’m not a Bush supporter. But I get your point. If you say something enough times it’s true.
Need I say more?
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:12 pmOther than Ignore the Moron. It is just looking for attention. Seems it never got enough from its Mama.
cabbinbagger @ 229
Or I might vote McCain merely to balance the power between Republicans and Democrats.
So basically, you are for keeping the Executive Branch apparatus intact and in the hands of Republicans while making sure we have a RW Supreme Court for decades to come.
Riiiight...you go vote that conscience of yours.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:12 pmI say you are because the government handouts never made anyone rich except for government officials.
Like the tax dollar handout we gave the oil companies a short while ago?
It sure fattened their bottom line by billions of our tax dollars.
As I said last night, the prices are coming down,and if speculation were reined in, we'd have no "shortage."
This drilling push is a scam, to scare the rubes. There are plenty of untapped wells just waiting for extraction.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:23 pmNote class. Our trolls persist in evading the topic because they have no defense. Their fragile egos won't permit them to admit the obvious that the Republicriminals (thanks to the lockstep blindness of their bare minority) have obstructed virtually every piece of legislation sponsored by a Dem. And they lie about their record, their motives and their means.
The record for filibusters, the 40+ votes blocked by "Tommy", these facts can't be allowed to churn around in their ill equipped brains. It corrupts the Reichwing programing. It tarnishes their shinny illusions. It forces them to admit how wrong they really are.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:28 pmI think ya scored a direct hit, RandomChaos.
Biffo is just out for the attention.
Jes' another trool, as katy would say, all hopped up on Mountain Dew and Cheetos, and running wild on the dial-up until Mummie comes back to the double-wide from her 2nd job...
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:29 pmCome back when your talking points aren't so stale, Biff.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:30 pm#233 Amuses me. I am guessing this was to show a grasp of sarcasm as no one is that pompous
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:32 pmWhere's Daryll? I find his brand of religious and intellectual hypocrisy much more entertaining, than Biff's rhetorical retreads.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:34 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
I think ya scored a direct hit, RandomChaos.
Biffo is just out for the attention.
Jes’ another trool, as katy would say, all hopped up on Mountain Dew and Cheetos, and running wild on the dial-up until Mummie comes back to the double-wide from her 2nd job…
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:29 pm
That's part of it, TRoS. However, I think the announcement that this month's grand prize is a life size Ted Haggard blow up doll and an 8-ball of meth has inspired "biff".
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:35 pmBiff:
I hope that you’re not suggesting total government control of oil prices with the use of price capping.
Funny you should mention capping - because it reminds me there are hundreds of capped wells just waiting for extraction.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:38 pmHi
My name is keeskennis.
I am not a citizin of the USA.
I do not want to become a citizin of the USA.
My sister is and she is a rabid left winger, I believe she voted for Clinton (spit, suck) two times.
(spellcheck, and me, have no idea how to spell citizin), although I know (or think) I spelled it wrong here.
In Afrikaans it is easy, English tests me more.
RandomChaos at 229 said it all when he said to 133.
"I will be voting against Obama because I believe that he is a Marxists"
Come and see a series of well run, super, producing, well behaved, another accolade that I can't think of, go under under the marxists.
No capital m.
Angola
Mocambique
South Africa
Swaziland
Zambia
DRC in the making.
Botswana stands out as a model of democracy.
Vote left/communist/socialist and die.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:39 pmCheers and enjoy your whine.
The thought having the government control the markets is scary.
It was tried by Nixon, and never worked very well. Your strawman falls apart from internal inconsistency.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:40 pmbiffmctavish Says:
I’m all for big oil buddy. I like driving when I need to go somewhere. Since you hate big oil, you should walk.
You haven't been doing much here, biff, but throwing around a lot of snark. Pretty typical republican tactic; create one F of a mess, blame it on someone else and then sit back and take potshots at the people who will have to come in and clean it up. Your last post to me:
Well, I bet you wish you had that time machine so you could take back your idiotic comments you’ve made in the past. Well, I’m here to tell you that you can reform. You don’t have to go through your whole life “fat, drunk and stupid.”
Pretty lame, biff.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:40 pmIn Afrikaans it is easy, English tests me more.
Judging by your post, I'm guessing logic tests you more.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:42 pmbiffmctavish Says:
Well, I bet you wish you had that time machine so you could take back your idiotic comments you’ve made in the past. Well, I’m here to tell you that you can reform. You don’t have to go through your whole life “fat, drunk and stupid.”
Pretty lame, biff. Maybe it's cool in Odessa, Texas to make a complete moron of yourself. Not here. But keep on posting, dooofus.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:45 pmcabbinbagger Says:
I see you are in favor of nuclear fusion…so am I..but what do we do TODAY?
First..consider this:
One of the greatest crimes that has been taking place over the last few decades is the deliberate destruction of belief in: the public good, the positive role of government, and the importance of good science and long term thinking. It's been traded away for political and financial advantage. Instead, we're supposed to believe in market forces, faith, and the power of magical thinking and authoritarian leaders. It has been aided and abetted by traditional media that no longer asks the hard questions it is supposed to ask, and that wouldn't understand the answers if it did.
Then, read this, about the Polywell Fusion Reactor using Boron 11 fuel.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:46 pmhttp://www.dailykos.com/story/2008/4/23/182625/127/57/499300
Shorter Biff @ 238
We find you entertaining. Like how a cat is entertained with a mouse.
Best of all, we enjoy having Republicans, such as yourself, come on this board and represent your side of the issues. In the marketplace of ideas, you'd be hard pressed to give your product away.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:46 pm247 keeskennis
I do not want to become a citizin of the USA.
That's OK, kees. We have our quota of racist Republikans filled anyways.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:54 pmIf you think the Democrats are looking out you any more than the Republicans before them, then you’ve been had, friend, and you really need to pull your head out.
Did the republicans ever once even bring up raising the minimum wage, since they took the majority?
I guess who "you" are, is the important question. If you're affluent, the republicans will move heaven and earth to pander to you. Democrats are no profiles in courage, but they aren't store-bought stooges for the affluent, like the republicans.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:58 pmpete Says:
That’s part of it, TRoS. However, I think the announcement that this month’s grand prize is a life size Ted Haggard blow up doll and an 8-ball of meth has inspired “biff”.
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I have to say, I was wondering what was motivating Biffo to keep getting back up off the floor no matter how many times he got knocked down.
Reminds me of that infamous moment when Keith Richards beat up Robt Stigwood back in the mid-70's.
Someone asked keith at the time, "Why did you keep hitting him?"
And Keith replied, "Because he kept getting up..."
We hereby award Biffo the Ted Haggard Blow-up Doll, and of course, that 8-ball of meth... you kin stay down on the floor, now, Biffo... you won tha prize!!!
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:59 pmcabbinbagger Says: @249 Historically, this proven to be true, whether you believe it or not.
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:00 pmCare to site some stats to back that up?
Yes, yes. We know the "libruls" are going to force: atheism, immorality, communism, lycanthropy, Islam, black racism, Ebonics, white racism, radical black Christianity, free-love, unilateral disarmament, abortion, vegetarianism, mopery and dopery, gay marriage, polygamy, pacifism, bestiality, voodoo, pedophilia, misogyny, miscegenation, kiddie-porn, socialism, globalization, isolationism, high taxes and foreign languages, down the throats of God Fearing Americans.
However. That doesn't change the fact that the obstructionist Republicriminals are feeding the 20%ers another line of shite, and our trolls prove that the propaganda is working.
I don't think any reasonable person is saying, "never drill anywhere". But there are some questions that have not been satisfactorily answered:
What drilling resources, beyond existing and planned infrastructure, will be used in these set-aside areas? Is there a legitimate reason to open restricted areas at this time? Can the oil interests within our government be trusted to make an impartial decision?
Once those questions are satisfactorily answered we can move on to financing. Based on past performance we can expect every oil-soaked lobbiest in Washington will get carpel tunnel from pouring Champaigne trying to convince the "responsible conservatives" that the taxpayers should cover the development costs. And even if the oil industry is forced to cover the costs (in 30-50 years when it becomes more profitable), the consumers will pay at the back end through higher pump prices.
Of course, anyone who's bothered to educate themselves on the subject already knew that.
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:03 pmcabbinbagger @ 254
"And I don’t believe for a moment that the Executive Branch will remain as it is under McCain. No, his campaign isn't filled with the usual suspects (Karl Rove, Phil Gramm, the Swift Boaters, Freedom's Watch) and he's got a whole crew of different, kinder moderate Republicans lined up to fill those key slots. Riiiight.
I don’t know if you’ve noticed or not, but we’ve already got a RW Supreme Court, and will have for decades to come, McCain or no. Yes, I have noticed. I also noticed that the more liberal, progressive SC's are ready to retire. Instead of 5-4 / 4-5 splits, you're suggestiong 7-0 splits for RW activist judges...no thanks.
Basically, our two-party system is a sham and has failed the people of the United States, but has proven the ability of folks in office to get rich off the backs of U.S. citizens. If you think the Democrats are looking out you any more than the Republicans before them, then you’ve been had, friend, and you really need to pull your head out.
blah, blah, blah. I've heard this Republican talking point before. I can name you 20 corrupt and perverted Republicans for every Democrat. I understand why it is in the Republican Party's best interest to sell this idea to the voter. Your best shot in mitigating your losses is convincing enough voters there is no difference. Maybe some, like your slow brother Biff, will even believe it. No sale here, though. I will work, though, to get better, more liberal and progressive Democrats elected and get rid of those Blue Dogs/DINO's that hamstring progress. 60 votes in the Senate and Obama in the WH....enjoy the change!
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:06 pmIn theory, I think our system is most effective when power is split between parties. However, the utter contempt which the GOP has displayed under Bushco is unprecedented. And, in light of the infestation of the DOJ, nothing is likely to be redressed until a new administration fumigates the Department.
That may be the first, most important, task of the new President.
After that begins the hard work of repairing the gaping holes Bushco has left in our society. That's not up to our Representatives. It's up to us to hold them accountable. And we have to take a chance.
We need to cast off the Ruling Party, and the whole concept of the eternal campaign, in a grand gesture the whole world will see. Then we have to give the Dems the power to do things. Even if they are the wrong things, it's preferable to the deadlock we've had since 06.
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:23 pmI wish Frist would have done away with the Filibuster.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pmGas price update: here in San Diego, the prices continue to fall. It's now $3.87 a gal., reflecting a $.55 drop in the last two weeks.
Case closed, regarding this little pre-election tempest, stirred up by Big Oil.
The "lights out" elected republicans perfectly demonstrate the problem with fulfilling their masters' wishes: circumstances have left them alone and in the dark, bellowing their powerless rage in an empty theater, now that speculation is being brought under control.
They knew excessive speculation in the futures markets was the problem, but they continued to trumpet totally unrealistic solutions, and now they're stuck, looking like they were hung out to dry by their corporate buddies.
And the trolls, like the proverbial frog, aren't yet aware that they've also cooked their credibility, by leg-humping Big Oil's fake solutions to real problems.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:34 pmWow, how's that for coincidence, for truth?
No one posts for three hours, and then we post at the same, exact minute.
I hope this bodes well for my pool-shooting tonight.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:41 pmFrom Hunter's diary :
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/8/2/13152/24931/498/560880
The entire purpose of new offshore leases would be as a boon to energy companies and market speculators, by infusing the speculative market with billions of dollars worth of new product at almost no expense to the companies themselves.
The oil companies can't drill those new leases, that much is clear. There's plenty of existing leases to drill, and they aren't drilling those either, and there seems no particular interest in rapidly expanding capacity in order to actually drill them.
But each company can hold those leases, and borrow against the value of those leases, and trade those leases, so that's the primary value of the new offshore plots -- as tradable assets on the speculative market.
Hunter nails it.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:10 pmI know WHO has COMMITTED TREASON in the last 7.5 years:
MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR to the USA.
May he BURN for ETERNITY, along with TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING for his GENOCIDE.
May Bush's MASTER Satan SMASH HIS FACE IN EVERY SECOND for ETERNITY.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:26 amIs this blog closed on the weekend?
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:40 amGame of Life,
Good Question. We at least need an open Thread.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:07 amThe RapeTard LIARS stage a POLITICAL STUNT?
Say it ain't so!!!
No ISSUES to run on, just McLunatic telling us he knows
"how to 'win' wars".
Obviously by crashing 5 planes and becoming a POW for 5 years, in which he made PROPAGANDA films for the ENEMY.
Just like NOW...
MURDERER Bush the COXUCKER punk TRAITOR will soon be in hell with his MASTER Satan.
Along with the rest of the TREASONOUS Bush Crime Family.
And TRAITOR Ronnie Reagan, now DEAD and BURNING for his LIES and GENOCIDE and TREASON against the USA.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:18 amMcCain kept talking about – kept talking about – kept talking about a gas tax holiday. Well summer will be over soon why didn’t McCain propose it? I guess it’s easier to talk about it – talk about it – talk about it, instead of taking action. MY FRIENDS.
* Obama 08 – Action Not Talk *
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