Judge on Rove’s citizen arrest: ‘It’s about time.’
By on Aug 1st, 2008 at 1:06 pm
Judge on Rove’s citizen arrest: ‘It’s about time.’
Last Friday, police in Des Moines, Iowa arrested four people who attempted to make a citizens’ arrest of former top White House aide Karl Rove, who was in town to speak at a GOP fundraiser. A retired minister and three members of the Des Moines Catholic Workers community were cited for trespassing. However, according to a press release, the judge presiding over the case praised their efforts:
[Mona] Shaw was the first called before Polk County Fifth Judicial District Associate Judge William Price.
After entering her plea, the judge asked Shaw, “Mamn, what were you doing at the Wakonda Country Club?”
“I was attempting to make a citizen’s arrest of Karl Rove, your honor,” Shaw answered.
“Well,” the judge looked up and said, “it’s about time.”
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“Well,” the judge looked up and said, “it’s about time.”
– - Another “activist” judge to be targeted and pilloried.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:10 pmBravo to Judge William Price…….Blessings
August 1st, 2008 at 1:11 pmThat is too funny!
Vincent Bugliosi wants to charge Bush with the murder of countless innocent souls.
If you didn’t catch the house judiciary hearings last week, you can watch/listen at:
http://www.radiodujour.com/people/bugliosi_vincent
August 1st, 2008 at 1:13 pm“Mamn, what were you doing at the Wakonda Country Club?”
- – Mamn? Ma’am.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pmPlease tell me this really happened. I want to believe there is someone in the system that gets it.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pmLet’s not stop there folks.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:15 pmThere’s more to be done.
The more I think about it….
Why wasn’t the arrest carried out and why were they arrested?
August 1st, 2008 at 1:17 pmJudge Price apparently did not have a job interview for his position on the bench with Monica Goodling.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:22 pmI suppose this is one of those “activist” judges…
August 1st, 2008 at 1:25 pmCITISIN’S ARRAYEST !! CITISIN’S ARRAYEST !!
Gomer Pyle
¶ AIO
August 1st, 2008 at 1:29 pmWhen is KKKarl Rove coming to Sacramento, I am willing to arrest him for failure to appear. I will even throw war crimes into the mix.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pmMaybe the long Rove crime spree will finally come to an end.
Rove’s evaded justice for a long time and should be tried for treason for illegally revealing the identity of a CIA agent working under deep cover on nuclear weapons proliferation.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pmradiodujour,
Does this mean I have to get my news elsewhere and not from T.P.? [/snark] It was a great disservice for T.P. to not cover this event.
If there was an impeachment and no one covered it, would it have happened? Who does T.P. protect by not covering this event. To date, SEVEN DAYS pass and not one iota mentioned by T.P. in reference to these hearings, not even in passing. My alarm bells are going off!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 1:31 pmSeeing this teflon neocon arrested would BEGIN to allow me to believe this country could be saved.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:34 pmBTW, anwyone know where Hier Karl is these days? Saw his this Monday at a Nationals baseball game in DC.
C’mon, people of DC- arrest this man!
Where do I send money.
August 1st, 2008 at 1:42 pmShaw and the rest deserve the best defence attorneys that money can buy and I will support their efforts in any way I can.
If a resident of Iowa – Iowa – corn-fed and inbred; one of the fly-over states – attempted to make a citizens arrest of Rove and a judge from Iowa affirms it – there is hope for this country yet !!!!!
Disclaimer: I love all states, citizens of all states, black or white, red or blue, old or young, rich or poor equally and truly believe in the goodness of most, if not all, of my fellow comrades. The above statement is a nod to the stereotypes we all endure and made in the true spirit of satire and that of free speech and a democratically elected (ok, Florida, you got some work to do) government.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:02 pmAmen, brother.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:06 pmRove is suppose to speak in Sacramento on Sept 19 on 14th and J Street…….come join us in trying to arrest him there….
August 1st, 2008 at 2:12 pmI know Judge Price, I worked with him in High School when I volunteered with a program called Peer Court where juvenile offenders went before a jury of their peers, with peer attorneys, and Price was the presiding judge for these hearings. We’d sentence them in more creative/useful ways than juvenile detention/probation, and then it would get cleared from their record. He’s a great guy, and I’m so happy this case came before him.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:17 pmAwesome!!
August 1st, 2008 at 2:18 pmGood on Des Moines! Have an aunt and uncle there, both in their 80s, who want to live long enough to see Bush&Co in chains.
If citizens began trying to do “citizen arrests” of Rove wherever he stuck out his head, maybe the MSM would have to report why they were trying to arrest him: obstruction of justice, lying to Congress, conspiracy, looking like a horror movie genetic experiment…
August 1st, 2008 at 2:21 pmTaguba Says:
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When is KKKarl Rove coming to Sacramento, I am willing to arrest him for failure to appear. I will even throw war crimes into the mix.
**Let me know when that happens. I am also from Sacramento and will bring the wire tie handcuffs!
August 1st, 2008 at 2:32 pmpasnell Says:
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Rove is suppose to speak in Sacramento on Sept 19 on 14th and J Street…….come join us in trying to arrest him there….
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**See you there!!! Is this for that speaker series they do every year? Isn’t that Sac Memorial Auditorium?
August 1st, 2008 at 2:35 pmJudge on Rove’s citizen arrest: ‘It’s about time.’
Cheers for Judge William Price. We need more judges like him.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:40 pmBut Rove still wanders free to hand out hate and dispense dissent.
August 1st, 2008 at 2:57 pmSo Rove has to be in a public area without security in order to be “arrested”. He probably won’t allow that.
I wonder what he thinks of the people attempting to arrest him. Is he full of arrogance, or is his thinking a bit more about it?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:22 pmWhat is most incredible is 4 catholic charities workers have more stones than the entire US CONGRESS.
Sad are these times.
August 1st, 2008 at 3:32 pmCan we get some bounty hunters on him?
August 1st, 2008 at 3:52 pmgeez, where’s a good old fashioned lynch mob when you need one? ;-]
August 1st, 2008 at 4:10 pmMaybe if we could get, what’s that guy’s name, Dawg The Bounty Hunter to carry out the citizen’s arrest, make it a reality TV show and go for one a week. Hell, there’s a years worth of programming in the executive branch alone!
August 1st, 2008 at 4:18 pmI’ll be dammed!! That is awesome!! Would that the SCOTUS had a set of big ones like this guy.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:04 pmSo now we know who the real terrorists are: a retired minister and members of the Des Moines Catholic Workers community.
Or at least they will all be portrayed as unpatriotic on Fox News. But isn’t being part of the “Workers community” sort of like being Communist? Oops, I seem to be writing Fox News material for them. At least they should have to do the hard work of making shit up.
August 1st, 2008 at 11:37 pmWhat a bunch of truly brilliant dullards you folks are. Go ahead and “arrest” Rove. I’m sure that he will be gland to testify at your kidnapping trial. I suppose this is what Bush derangement syndrome is all about.
As for this clown judge — the snarky, biased comment violates the legal cannons. The judge should be impeached and disbarred. Not because of any action or opinion about Rove but because he is a judge and, at least in theory, sits in impartial deliberation.
Your comments — as a group — clearly indicate that you are either too ignorant or too stupid to hold the franchise. For your sakes I hope it is merely ignorance.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:27 amSo, wjr. Which are you?
Are you the rich guy who benefits from our tech support offshored to India and our manufacturing offshored to China or possibly the rich guy named Prince who benefits from continued pouring of American Tax Dollars down into the sandpits of Iraq, borrowed from China, or possibly the rich oil tycoon or speculator who benefits from skyrocketting oil costs and bickering over offshore drilling when the real problem is that we’re simultaneously dis-stabilizing the oil producing part of the planet while devaluing the currency oil is bought in?
Or are you just a useful idiot who sees the American Political System as nothing more than another form of spectator sport, going ‘rah rah rah’ for the conservatives and poo-pooing liberals regardless of what ideas they come up with?
Either way, you’re still an immature lout whose IQ struggles to exceed your shoe size. Have a nice day. :)
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:19 amJeremy,
Someone in this crypto-Marxist lot has come out to play! I see that you have a very narrow world view. Goodness, didn’t MoveOn teach you at least a little more cleverness? And not even one four letter word!
If you ever grow up you will find that the world is much like the state of nature — red of tooth and claw. There is no “win-win” appeasement scenario — despite all of the squishy soft power rhetors on the left.
To answer your all-be-it limited question — I am none of the above. I just enjoy poking holes in the argumentation of ahistorical leftists.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:35 amRove and those damn neo-cons are clearly a threat to the safety of the public. We should form a committee to address said threat.
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:47 amForTruth Says:
So Rove has to be in a public area without security in order to be “arrested”. He probably won’t allow that.
Who says we cannot arrest the others as obstructers of justice?
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:33 pmLet’s all make warrants for Rove’s arrest, and carry them with us. Let’s e-mail warrants around so that whenever he appears in public someone will be on hand to arrest him. Let’s see to it that he can’t appear in public without having to face his accusers.
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:23 pmwjr never uses four-letter words to dismiss people. He just calls them “Marxists” or “socialists”. So much more mature and to-the-point.
Oh, and wjr? Why is it that Karl didn’t testify at the trial of the four who were *already* arrested for trying to “kidnap” him? Could it be because he knows he doesn’t have a leg to stand on should he try to complain of the attempted arrest?
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:25 pmI love you lefties. This kind of stunt, reeking of comic moral preening, is probably worth 10,000 votes for McCain. Criminalization of policy differences has been the weapon-of-choice for leftists since you were spectacularly successful in overturning the 1972 presidential election. OK, we right wingers tried our hand at it too, but at least Ken Starr could point to crimes that you could actually find in the U.S. Criminal Code. But if we’re going to play this game, I’d like to slap a citizen’s arrest on Hillary Clinton for obstruction of justice in the Vince Foster affair, conspiracy to violate the civil rights of federal workers in the White House travel office scandal, and murder for her unswerving support of the abortion industry. (What’s that you say? Abortion is a complex political issue on which thoughtful, well-meaning people can disagree? Too bad – those aren’t the criteria here.) Let’s arrest Barack Obama for violation of hate crimes legislation by sitting through years of racist, fruitcake rants by his mentor, Reverend Wright. And finally, let’s slap the cuffs on Judge William Price for obstruction of justice, aiding and abetting attempted kidnapping, and violation of several conflict of interest rules. It’s about time.
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:11 pm1. Because that’s what lawyers are for.
2. He is not required to, as the evidence in the case would be given by the arresting officers in question.
3. The judge at no time requested his presence, or asked for his testimony.
If Mr Rove really wanted to press charges, I suggest you check up on the law in that state. They were charged with a misdemeanour..had Mr Rove pressed charges, it would be assault, battery, conspiracy and attempted kidnapping.
Which is a FEDERAL offence.
August 3rd, 2008 at 12:56 amGeez, Regular Guy, you sound much too rational to be posting here. This is nutroot land and I just hang around to bug them.
On his train tour during his last campaign someone shouted to Harry Truman to “give them hell”. President Truman answered that he just told the truth and they thought it was hell. Facts and data, when placed in historical context, are as close to “truth” as we are ever going to get.
That “truth” is really difficult for these folks to deal with. Remember, nutroot organizations are strictly faith based. Logic and common sense need not apply.
dr_psycho1960! What a handle — May I assume it is strictly descriptive? There is an old saying, sir, that goes something like this: If it looks like a duck, quacks like a duck and waddles like a duck then it is likely not a goat.
Marxism and socialism are venerable socioeconomic philosophies. Neither work as has been demonstrated numerous times by the blood of millions. I believe that it is a kindness to call this lot Marxists. Indeed they write more like would be Bolsheviks — the really bloody sort of Marxist. Like Stalin was.
What they really are is a bunch teapot leftist wannabe’s who likely wear Che t-shirts.
BTW, Mr Truman must be rolling in his grave to see what is going on with the Democrat party.
August 3rd, 2008 at 1:29 amGoodness Arn, you do have an anger issue, don’t you?
You might note that treason is defined as “aiding and abetting a foreign enemy”. In that case, then, the New York Times must be the leading contender for such a charge — followed closely by Sen. Reid and Speaker Pelosi. Not to mention Rep. Murtha.
So, take care about what you wish for and do watch the old blood pressure.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:04 pmI’m confused. Please explain just how a citizen’s arrest conflates to kidnapping.
Nobody has suggested forcibly removing Karl Rove anywhere. To make a citizen’s arrest, one simple goes up to the person in question and say, “Mr. Rove (in this case), you are under a citizen’s arrest for this or that crime. Please do not attempt to leave the scene. The authorities have been called to take you into custody. If you attempt to leave, I will be forced to restrain you until the proper authorities arrive.”
See? No kidnapping involved. And before you say it, no, detaining a person until the authorities arrive is not kidnapping.
August 3rd, 2008 at 2:57 pmYou know, Arn, I know several folks in the psych business. If you like I could pass their names on to you. Perhaps a little Paxcil, eh?
I would, though, kindly suggest that you just might not want threaten folks in these little conversations. I know it’s a bit much and I do hate to spoil your fun but it is a felony to threaten the great bodily harm of a public figure via wire. Although I grant you that the Federal pens (this being an interstate utterance and all) have a much nicer class of thug. Why, I imagine you would only be raped periodically rather than daily.
Oh, and do watch the old blood pressure dear fellow. Stroke is such a nasty thing.
August 3rd, 2008 at 9:16 pmwjr Says:
What a bunch of truly brilliant dullards you folks are. Go ahead and “arrest” Rove. I’m sure that he will be gland to testify at your kidnapping trial. I suppose this is what Bush derangement syndrome is all about.
As for this clown judge — the snarky, biased comment violates the legal cannons. The judge should be impeached and disbarred. Not because of any action or opinion about Rove but because he is a judge and, at least in theory, sits in impartial deliberation.
Your comments — as a group — clearly indicate that you are either too ignorant or too stupid to hold the franchise. For your sakes I hope it is merely ignorance.
WJR I cannot believe how incredibly stupid you are while calling us dullards. I know its projection and an complete inability to perform the task us liberals like to call higher brain function. First a citizens arrest is NOT kidnapping you complete moron. Just how stupid are you anyway? Second since the action before the judge was a TRESSPASSING charge concerning those in front of him there was NO judicial misconduct involved in his availing himself of his first amendment right to free expression which is NOT stripped from sitting judges. MAN you are ignorant. Please stop embarassing yourself and try to obtain a couple of functioning braincells before you display your galactic level stupidity here again. You are SUCH a moron.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:53 pmRegulary guy Bush Idolotry syndrome has deranged you beyond the help of mere amatuers please seek the help of a mental health professional immediatly. Your list of Clinton fantasy offenses was just too stupid to comment on but how is REFUSING A SUBPOENA a mere policy difference? It is known as contempt of congress and is in FACT a crime. Please try to keep up and make some attempt at having at least a dim idea what you are talking about instead of wasting our time with such inane and ludicrous nonsense.
August 4th, 2008 at 12:00 amEugeneDebs! My goodness are you channeling the shade of old Marxists now?
Eugene Victor Debs — socialist moving to Marxist and father of the most radical labor movement of his day, the IWW. Colloqually known as the “Wobblies” and responsible for numerous terroristic crimes, particularly in the west. The IWW is best known for the Pullman strike. The eventual results of which are easily seen in Pullman Illinois — many empty buildings and poverty.
As for citizens arrest:
“Each state with the exception of North Carolina permits citizen arrests if the commission of felony is witnessed by the arresting citizen, or when a citizen is asked to assist in the apprehension of a suspect by police. The application of state laws varies widely with respect to misdemeanors, breaches of the peace, and felonies not witnessed by the arresting party. American citizens do not carry the authority or enjoy the legal protections of police, and are held to the principle of strict liability before the courts of civil- and criminal law including but not limited to any infringement of another’s rights.”
This is a Wiki quote and Wiki is always suspect in details. But the general rule that you need to witness the crime is common to all states.
So make a choice — illegal imprisonment or detention or kidnapping depending upon the state. All felonies. And you don’t even get to go to Club Fed.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:29 pmI think Rove should watch where he travels since I know others will try to arrest in him various states and cities. I know if he ever travels here he WILL face arrest.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:10 amFor what, register? Disagreeing with the totally corrupt Democrat congress? Not towing the foul mouthed defeatist line of Kos?
More likely because he beat St.Algore of the carbon fraud and then beat Swiftboat John.
When you criminalize policy differences you tread on very dangerous ground.
August 15th, 2008 at 12:57 amTalk about delusional.
August 15th, 2008 at 5:38 amsurroundedbynutlesswonders,
Most at this site are.
August 15th, 2008 at 11:52 amGeorge Bush, Dick Chaney, Carl Rove Condoleezza Rice and John McCain are responsible for the murder of 94,330 innocent people while they looked for nonexistent weapons of mass destruction. Of that total 4,134 were Americans. They are also responsible for the wounding of 30,464 people as of 8 – 07 – 2008.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:35 pmkwaayesnama,
OK, let’s accept your hypothesis.
What does that mean? Well, one thing, it means that nearly the entire congress — both parties– is also responsible. If you want to lead folks to the gallows then we can start with a lot of “D’s”. Indeed, you are left with pretty close to only UFO Dennis. Now that would be a hoot right out of the Onion.
And no BS about “Bush lied” and we were fooled. There’s plenty of documentation that this is both not true but is an Orwellian rewrite of history.
You lot need to grow up and stop trying to criminalize policy differences.
August 16th, 2008 at 9:27 pmfrom a real, legal dictionary: “Making a citizen’s arrest maliciously…could lead to civil or criminal penalties. It is a violation of a suspect’s civil rights to…invent a reason to arrest for the ulterior motive of settling a private score.”
Gosh, it almost seems like that judge wasn’t using much “judgment.” Haha, get it?
Lots of people think Rove is a US citizen and has not been charged with anything.
Silly, absurd people…get a job and earn your way into the country club, Ma’am.
August 21st, 2008 at 9:57 pmDisclaimer: I don’t fancy myself as clever, particularly well-educated, & have never had a personal encounter with the legal/justice system (must be all that clean living!)
But may a splash a refreshing bucket of cold water on this hot Aug. day over ALL of you? Maybe seasoned with a modicum of common sense?
Whatever one thinks of Rove, et. al (I am not a fan), I hope if I ever do have to appear before a judge, he will make his decision based on the evidence and applicable law(s) alone, & leave his personal views out of it. I’m too risk averse to gamble that the jurist has a perspective that reflects my own.
While people on all points of the political spectrum agree that our legal system isn’t perfect, indeed sometimes highly political (esp. when not reflecting YOUR personal opinions), aren’t we ALL supposed to encourage impartiality? (or at least the appearance thereof?) The judge’s comment just didn’t clear that hurdle.
Feeling cooler now?
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August 27th, 2008 at 1:38 amThis is another example that the “old world jounalism of Murrow, Cronkite and Rather is dead and buried. In the case of the Time Magazine reporter Ms Tumulty, she seems to think the finding out the who, what, where, when and how have been replaced with a steno pad, which she records what ABC said in rebuttle to the complaint of Congressman Kucinich. There is a great disconnect with what happened and the points made by ABC. She asks little of no questions to ABC. She takes what is handed to her and repeats it vebatim and then calls that reporting. I call is stenography. Lida Sohbet sohbet sesli chat Gelinlik Modelleri
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