McCain suggests military-style invasion modeled on the surge to control inner city crime.
McCain suggests military-style invasion modeled on the surge to control inner city crime.
Today, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) spoke to the National Urban League, a group “devoted to empowering African Americans to enter the economic and social mainstream.” When an audience member asked him how he planned to reduce urban crime, McCain praised Mayor Rudy Giuliani’s efforts in New York Cirty before invoking the military’s tactics in Iraq as the model for crime-fighting:
MCCAIN: And some of those tactics — you mention the war in Iraq — are like that we use in the military. You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement, etc, etc.
Listen here:
Now that our military experts advocate approaching the “war on terror” with more policing and intelligence gathering, McCain wants to approach urban policing with more military power. (HT: Political Radar)
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Anyone see the movie “The Seige” with Denzel Washington and Bruce Willis? Rent it if you haven’t seen it.
McCain is really off his rocker with this one.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:09 pmHe is talking about martial law and it will appeal to the dimwits who think an action like this will benefit society.
Everybody LOVES military dictatorships!
August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pmThey always love and respect the people they are ‘protecting’
Jeebus!
McCain is thinking about all the great rugs for sale in Detroit when he shows up with his Marine escort and attack helicopters.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:11 pmIt’s only a matter of time before McSame comes out with a proposal to have everyone in the country wear name tags.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:13 pmNazi Fascism in three easy steps, w just paved the way.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pmOMG — does McCain have a military solution to EVERYTHING? Something tells me that a McCain presidency would make us feel GOOD about the past eight years.
Hmmm…maybe THAT’S why Dubya will work hard to get him elected…
August 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pmeveryone in the country wear name tags.
That’s just so he can remember who he’s talking to…
August 1st, 2008 at 7:14 pmWell, isn’t this a novel idea… kind of goes hand in hand with this:
August 1st, 2008 at 7:20 pmhttp://tpzoo.wordpress.com/ 2008/ 08/ 01/ mukasey-calls-on-congress-to-subvert-constitution/ #comments
Ali-
“New York Cirty”?
August 1st, 2008 at 7:21 pmSorry about that, try this:
August 1st, 2008 at 7:23 pmhttp://tpzoo.wordpress.com/
Nevar mind…
August 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pmThat loser troll was in and out of here in record time, whining about being “banned.” B-bye, Mr Pee!
August 1st, 2008 at 7:24 pmWill all of us ‘non-NeoCon Repugs’ have to wear striped pajamas and blue donkey ribbons? Will this be a second coming of Soylent Green or Farenheit 451?
August 1st, 2008 at 7:25 pmGum,
I missed the Mr. P troll dropping, was it a good one?
August 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pmI’m sure that went over real big at the Urban League meeting.
And this dingbat says Obama’s policy ideas are lacking. What a total dufus McNumbNuts is . . . “surge here, surge there, surge now”. Stupid moron!
August 1st, 2008 at 7:27 pmI’m sure the shcok troops sent into urban areas will also be greeted as ‘liberators’
August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pmMr. Pee? I thought it was that sill little C**T.
Oh wait, that’s Triplekick-XXX, isn’t it? My troll scorecard is so out-of-date.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:28 pmHonestly, why stop here?
If we simply round up the suspected troublemakers and place them in some type of centralized area where they can be watched by the military, (some type of camp perhaps?) we can assure that they won’t get up to any mischief.
While they are in these camps, we might as well give them some work to do- so they can contribute to society- some type of manual labor?
Great idea McCain!
Christ.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:30 pmupside99 Says:
Gum,
I missed the Mr. P troll dropping, was it a good one?
There were three screechy comments about how “you can’t ban me just because you can’t stand other opinions!” Then . . . pffft.
He will be back, much like a cockroach.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:33 pmMcCain is obsessed with the Surge that he wants to use military to clamp down on crime in America by going to neigborhoods sending army to chase criminals.Iraq is his example…
August 1st, 2008 at 7:36 pmVery scary suggestion by McWar.
It is the Soviet Union in the making.
And the Surge goes on…!!
So John McCain doesn’t believe in States Rights. Funny thing, but our laws are written so that local police are responsible for local security. In case of an insurrection the National Guard could be activated to help put down the insurrection. Federal troops are reserved for national defense. What then is McCain proposing? And where would he get those troops from? Certainly not from either Iraq or Ft. Hood.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:39 pmGum,
A cockroach infers Mr. P will be here for another million years or so. EWWWWW!!!
August 1st, 2008 at 7:40 pmAnd anyone who steps outta line will be raped with a toilet plunger Guilliani style.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:45 pmIs he implying that “We have to fight’em over here so we don’t have to fight’em over here”?
August 1st, 2008 at 7:45 pmWeren’t there some quietly passed laws that basically allow for martial law? Seems it was some vaguely defined criteria for envoking some statute. The lack of oversight and idealism of this administration has allowed for the next to do whatever he wants. The oldest guy ever gets the idea cluster bombing is a good crime deterent. Can’t wait.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:50 pmAnd we were wondering how anyone could be worse than Bush.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:52 pm“surge here, surge there, surge now”
This is McNumbNuts’ problem — he suffers from the same affliction as GDumbya. That is — when all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
We’ve had enough of this foolish ideology. It is time for a change.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:54 pm“McCain suggests military-style invasion modeled on the surge to control inner city crime.”
- - Oh, so we’re gonna pay the Bloods or Crips beaucoup bucks to make nice.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:55 pmWere Iraq and to some extent New Orleans some sort of prototype to see if paramilitary dictatorships could work in the U.S.? This is becoming almost surreal.
August 1st, 2008 at 7:58 pmNo more fascists. Vote for Barack Obama.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:04 pmThere is only one successfull way to Reduce Urban Crime…in American Cities and in Iraqi Cities:
JOBS and a prosperous Economy.
That’s why Crime went Down under Clinton’s Presidency…and have gone Up under Bush.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pmOne of my recurring nightmares is that the Repugs contrive a ‘national emergency’ and declare martial law and BushCo continues in power with Blackwater as the Stormtroopers/SS and Dubya grows a little thin mustache and wears Jodhpurs and thigh high leather jack boots (or is that Condi in those boots… nevermind).
I always wake up in a cold sweat and with tremors that take hours to overcome.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:06 pmOh, good grief. What a fascist. To the Urban League !?
What a moron.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:07 pmor, there’s the toby keith method… lots of rope etc…
ugh…
…
hey, TP, you’re really irritating me… the mcFOOL ads…
check out this angle:
Attack Ads By McCain
All of the pundits discounting the messianic ad attack put out by McCain on Obama saying it is sophomoric and silly are missing the entire point. The ad which calls Obama “the One” and that you will be “blessed” and quoting him about the grand changes that will happen on the earth if we vote for him have missed the real message and the targeted audience.
This is a well-crafted ad that speaks to right wing fundamentalists who believe in a literal second coming of Christ. Before Christ comes, before Armageddon, there is a period of peace that is led by “the Anti-Christ”. He will be known as “the One” and people will believe that he has brought peace to the earth and that he will replace God as the center of all worship. The folks who believe this is as literal (and there are many of them) are the ones that that ad is targeting! Just look at the “Left Behind” series sales and you will discover how huge a following there is of this perspective.
Before I saw this ad I was already hearing from my colleagues that there is a rumor circulating that Obama is the Anti-Christ. Truly amazing! If the pundits were more educated about this cultural aspect of Christianity I wonder how this attack would be addressed. Unfortunately any attack on this thinking ends up playing into the attitude held by those same Christians that their religion and their scriptures are not respected. Sound bites do not address nuanced theology very well.
This is no different than previous Rove tactics in mobilizing Christians to vote against their self interest. During the Gore campaign I was at some of the religious summits held by African American clergy that played videos produced by Jeremiah productions (Focus on the Family) that tagged Clinton/Democrats as carrying the “gay agenda.” The video was very offensive and incited an emotional response that hit on multiple levels. Displayed very prominently in the church were signs that said we do not endorse any candidate for president but at the end of the evening, after people had been whipped up into an anti-gay frenzy, the clergy told people to vote their “God Conscience.” In addition, after the event, books were sold that “exposed” how the Democratic party had sold out African Americans and the truly supportive party was the party of Lincoln (Republican).
This has Karl Rove written all over it and it will be an effective underground campaign targeting a certain type of Christian unless it is exposed for what it is and where it comes from. As the pundits play the ad and laugh, Karl Rove is ROTFLOL for unwittingly promoting his message and not getting it. I give you the charge to figure out a way to address this despicable tactic to win evangelical Christians over without demeaning legitimate Christian faith. The evangelicals I know whisper their support for Obama because they experience him as an authentic Christian. The Republicans are scared and this is the most desperate of tactics.
The Rev
@ rachel’s blog
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is there nothing you can do to help push back against this crap?
August 1st, 2008 at 8:12 pmKaty….very interesting post
Revelation 12:3
And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having SEVEN heads
This is probably why Sen. McCain want to kick Russia out of the G8. That would make it the G SEVEN .
August 1st, 2008 at 8:28 pmDoes anyone here live in NYC? I have heard that Rudy actually did make the city more livable. Crime stats dropped, sure, but I have also heard it was a heavy handed approach…the CW seems to be that Rudy’s get tough plan worked, curious about first hand info.
And, gang, don’t get the vapors, McCain neither in the clip or in the text suggested we send the military into American neighborhoods. Plenty to criticize without making stuff up.
OT: I am about to go see Hellboy II - anyone seen it?
August 1st, 2008 at 8:30 pmMcCain is such a fascist. Just like Bush and Cheney.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pmOne might think that someone who advocates such a tactic might also advocate the removal of guns from inner cities.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:32 pmThis is what happens when we elect bottom feeders who pull themselves up by their daddy’s bootstraps.
mcstake wants to fight them in the ghetto so we don’t have to fight them in our country clubs…
August 1st, 2008 at 8:33 pmKeltoi:
Crime stats dropped in a great many/most Cities where Giuliani had NO influence.
It’s the ECONOMY STUPID. ( No, I’m not calling you stupid, …just quoting a famous political slogan ;)
August 1st, 2008 at 8:34 pmYeah, I like the “known criminals are kept under control” bit. Who exactly decides who are “known criminals”? Is that anything like “enemy combatants”?
By the way, is that John McCain in that clip? Or is it Bob Newhart doing John McCain? Hard to tell.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pmdecibels Says:
One might think that someone who advocates such a tactic might also advocate the removal of guns from inner cities.
Yeah. That would stop crime. No criminals would use guns if they were made illegal.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:35 pmJust curious, Keltoi; what’s your take on drug laws?
August 1st, 2008 at 8:37 pmBadger Says:
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Keltoi:
Crime stats dropped in a great many/most Cities where Giuliani had NO influence.
It’s the ECONOMY STUPID. ( No, I’m not calling you stupid, …just quoting a famous political slogan ;)
True. I remember a very controversial study suggesting that nationwide drop came almost exactly 18 years after Roe v. Wade…man, what a hot potato that was!
I am a pro-choice, Troll, BTW.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:38 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
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Keltoi at Night Says:
decibels Says:
One might think that someone who advocates such a tactic might also advocate the removal of guns from inner cities.
Yeah. That would stop crime. No criminals would use guns if they were made illegal.
Just curious, Keltoi; what’s your take on drug laws?
Legalize Pot yesterday.
Meth, Heroin, PCP…man, I’d like to protect people from that crap. It just kills, real simple. But, as an alcoholic stoner, who am I to say you can’t kill yourself fast as opposed to slow?
Prohibition clearly doesn’t work. We imprison more people than China. Were pot legal, we could all grow it in our basements or backyards and there would be no black market, no criminal element, period.
I know this, our current approach is so dumb it makes a stoner look smart.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:42 pmThat theory about crime and Roe v. Wade was in the bestseller Freakonomics by Steven Levitt.
Bush’s presidency sort of shot that hot potato down.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:43 pmGet someone on your staff to explain to you the concept of “posse comitatus,” Senator. Jeez, how can you be so dumb?
August 1st, 2008 at 8:45 pmSpeaking of Heroin…from the latest Newsweek…
At weddings, funerals and Friday prayers, local mullahs exhort their congregations to support the Taliban and oppose the government. The group pays newly recruited fighters roughly $200 a month, the pharmacist says—almost double the pay of police and Afghan National Army soldiers.
Guess where “the group ” gets the $200…. hint.. rhymes with Sloppy
August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pmBadger Says:
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That theory about crime and Roe v. Wade was in the bestseller Freakonomics by Steven Levitt.
Bush’s presidency sort of shot that hot potato down.
In what sense? Abortion remained legal during Bush’s presidency…I am drawing a blank on how Bush reduced access to abortion.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:50 pmThat’s why I value your contributions here, Keltoi.
I disagree with much of your thinking, but I respect your reasoning for the most part. And sometimes I agree with you. I wish there were more conservatives of your ilk here.
Speaking as a non-drug using occasional drinker, I agree completely on the drug issue. Prohibition doesn’t work, and it just creates an entire shadow economy that drives violent crime.
And, as you say, we imprison more people than China. One in four humans on the planet who are incarcerated, are incarcerated here.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:51 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
And, as you say, we imprison more people than China. One in four humans on the planet who are incarcerated, are incarcerated here.
It does suck.
But c’mon, on to important OT stuff, has anyone seen Hellboy II?
August 1st, 2008 at 8:53 pmAnd thanks, Ralph, I feel the same way about you vis Liberals. I scan for you, Toasterhead, Gummitch, Annie (though she scarwes me!), Zooey, a few others before I post. Seeing things differently doesn’t have to be a bloodsport. We all inhabit this land together.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:55 pmThe only tool in McCain’s kit is a hammer. He sees every problem in this country as a nail. Another 4 years with the same “team” in control will absolutely destroy this country.
McCain has no constituency and he’ll have to rely on the same jokers that infest our government today.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:56 pmKeltoi…
Abortions stayed the same…Crime went up.
According to Levitt’s theory, high crime rates would be a thing of the past due to the aborting of all those future criminals.
This theory is pretty racist… so I’m glad it has been discredited.
August 1st, 2008 at 8:57 pmBadger Says:
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Keltoi…
Abortions stayed the same…Crime went up.
According to Levitt’s theory, high crime rates would be a thing of the past due to the aborting of all those future criminals.
This theory is pretty racist… so I’m glad it has been discredited.
Hm. I don’t see it as racist per se. Minorities are disproportianately poor and likewise disproportionately imprisoned, but I see that as a factor of poverty, not skin color. Fewer poor people having babies would decrease the number of poor adults likely to commit crime….as far as Boosh goes, to assess his place in this theory we’d have to wait til 2018.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:01 pmOkay, I am calling that zero Hellboy fans on a liberal blog…hard to believe, I am off, hopefully it is Hellish.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:14 pmMcCane wants to use Staten Island as the next Guantanamo when he starts rounding up the “insurgents” on the streets of the inner cities….finally a REAL plan for Staten Island
August 1st, 2008 at 9:22 pmSo McCain would like to kill and/or cause most inner city people to emigrate?
August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pmIt hasn’t come to town yet, Keltoi.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:23 pmEnjoy the show and give us a review later, if you would please.
We’ll keep up the good fight here in our own hellish little trench…
What is mcchimpy foreign policy? WAR!
Why isn’t this old goat tire of war?
August 1st, 2008 at 9:24 pmMCCAIN: And some of those tactics — you mention the war in Iraq — are like that we use in the military. You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement, etc, etc.
Heck, it worked in New Orleans, didn’t it?
August 1st, 2008 at 9:25 pmThis man gives me a headache. This is bad news. We have 2 choices this November and John McBush would like to “clamp down to make sure the known criminals are under control”. That’s awesome. We’ve all heard rumors of martial law but now this unamerican tool is straight out town-halling it? This “suggestion” makes me think of tasers and our super-hostile cops - body-armored and hostile. They just don’t care. They don’t even respect us enough to even pretend anymore. John McCain thinks martial law is empowering? Are we to assume this is now part of his platform? I will.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:26 pmDallasNE Says:
So John McCain doesn’t believe in States Rights. Funny thing, but our laws are written so that local police are responsible for local security. In case of an insurrection the National Guard could be activated to help put down the insurrection. Federal troops are reserved for national defense. What then is McCain proposing? And where would he get those troops from? Certainly not from either Iraq or Ft. Hood.
mcchimpy will use blackwater.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:41 pmeffin fascist
August 1st, 2008 at 9:48 pmOne of the things that Giuliani did that I wholeheartedly agree with was to come down harder on the little things like broken windows and trash. When the city looks better people feel better about it.New York had been indulgent to propert owners–especially commercial owners–for far too long.
August 1st, 2008 at 9:51 pmMcCain and the REpublicans love to talk about how the military is great, too bad they don’t want to fund the soldiers when they come back to the homefront wounded and maimed…
more expendable cannon fodder, the GOP has always considered our soldiers expendable toy soldiers…
August 1st, 2008 at 9:57 pmI’ll go along with this. It’s a good theory, good practice.
The violation-of-suspects-with-cleaning-tools thing I could do without, as well as the cops-with-hair-trigger-tempers.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:00 pmThe Surge™ is not just a military strategy. It will work anywhere it is applied. Innercity crime is a no brainer. It is a hunting, fishing, dating (lots of poontang), investment and life strategy.
McCain/Voight 08
August 1st, 2008 at 10:17 pmSurge = one syllable. McSame feels safe with short words.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:21 pmWhat is it that McCain will bring to America ,if he wins, that America does not have now under Bush?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:22 pmThe Surge™ is not just a military strategy. It will work anywhere it is applied. Innercity crime is a no brainer. -BH
So why not apply this approach to say Wallstreet or Government?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:42 pmpbg Says:
One of the things that Giuliani did that I wholeheartedly agree with was to come down harder on the little things like broken windows and trash.
creating more jobs? … or fines?
it’s true though… and such a simple, logical thing…
…
did clinton’s more-cops program help with that also?
August 1st, 2008 at 10:43 pmis my timing off?
Innercity crime is certainly a problem, but I think representative and corporate crime steals more money from honest people and investors than any homeless window washer.
August 1st, 2008 at 10:45 pmIt’s called
TOTALATARIANISM, McIIIrd.
But of course, it’s only for the hoodlums in the ghettos so it’s probably OK, right?
August 1st, 2008 at 11:35 pmBadger - That would make it the G SEVEN …
just doesn’t have the right ring to it…
August 1st, 2008 at 11:35 pmbut nothing would surprise me.
How perfectly facist of McCain to suggest marching storm troopers into our inner cities to “clean up” crime. Never mind of course, addressing the poverty that is the root of the problem.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:09 amNewly released Rand Report says War on Terror doesn’t work.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:28 amMakes sense . . . NOW with Blackwater facing legal responsibility for their crimes and needing to “reposition operations” - shooting darker brown people in the U.S. saves gas money . . .
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:42 amNow we know why the 109th killed Posse Comitatus in the Warner (Military Commisions) Act. Unfortunately, they can use the military against citizens with that monstrosity of a law still in effect.
And, silly trolls, so can any Democratic President. I do not trust any President, Democrat or Republican with that power, because historically, it was always abused. Exactly what Posse Comitatus was enacted to prevent.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:49 amChoice one, you can either restore order in troubled neighborhoods in inner cities by whatever available means.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 amChoice two, you can leave them as they are and allow conditions to deteriorate and have honest and hardworking people living in fear and oppressed by the thugs of their neighborhood.
If I was a resident of a neighborhood riddled with crime and drug dealers I would accept help from anybody that would offer a solution. An attack on crime and criminals should be seen as a blessing on any given day and in any given form.
I do not find rational that fighting crime can be seen as oppressive.
I find as oppressive and scary Obama’s speech on July 2nd at Colorado Springs where the media omitted a forty words paragraph from his speech.
See my article: Obama proposes a Leftist Democrat Police State. And if not then what was he talking about?
http://www.readwhatisee.com
McCain = Stalin
Be afraid. Very afraid.
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:15 amsome delusional McCain Defender speaketh:
> One might think that someone who advocates
> such a tactic (martial law) might also
> advocate the removal of guns from inner cities.
You stupid piece of inbred trailer trash..in the modern age, do you REALLY think fascism will be prevented by you pack of redneck bufoons and your precious AK-47’s and saturday night specials? remember waco? how well did all thier guns help them? funny thing is, all the government has to do is fall asleep at the wheel, let some criminals make a relatively minor attack against us (more people die in america each week than did in 9-11), and the vast of majority of you guns nuts will run cowering to your supposedly unnecessary government for protection from a few hundred smelly foreigners in beards. Fascism and totalitarianism in the modern age will be achieved via fear of exagerated threats, not military might.
Why waste bullets on people when you could sell them televisions that would make them wholly disinterested in anything but what they see on the screen…
fool…
August 2nd, 2008 at 3:56 amNext he’ll start to wall off the bad neighborhoods. Am I the only one getting visions of Escape From New York?
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:53 am>Am I the only one getting visions
>of Escape From New York?
No, your not. Carpenter is a genius and intellectually far ahead of his time… but seriously, don’t think of them as “ghetto-prisons”..that such latte-sipping negativity…think of them as “reverse gated communities”
;)
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:49 am“MCCAIN: And some of those tactics — you mention the war in Iraq — are like that we use in the military. You go into neighborhoods, you clamp down, you provide a secure environment for the people that live there, and you make sure that the known criminals are kept under control. And you provide them with a stable environment and then they cooperate with law enforcement, etc, etc.”
So that’s how it works.
So why doesn’t it work in our neighborhoods or in Iraq?
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:55 amThe legislative events under Bush dealing with homeland security (warrantless wiretaps and searches, habeas corpus, etc.) have been laying the groundwork for the day that what McCain is suggesting will take place. Our city streets are the next front in the “war on terror”.
It is not a very big leap to say that gang activity is “terroristic”.
Also, since his plan will take added policing, look for Blackwater to fill that nitch.
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:31 amMcCain has no concept of inner-city America. He owns no vision of his own nor plan for the fundamental difficulties facing American inner-cities; he is an empty vessel as Bush was coming into office. As always, if he does have a plan, somehow it always includes the military.
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:40 amWelcome to Martial Law, folks!
August 2nd, 2008 at 7:51 amAppallingly stupid, illegal, evil, nasty,reckless, oafish and disgusting. Is he looking to get himself shot?
August 2nd, 2008 at 8:15 amP Alfonso Says:
Choice one, you can either restore order in troubled neighborhoods in inner cities by whatever available means.
Choice two, you can leave them as they are and allow conditions to deteriorate and have honest and hardworking people living in fear and oppressed by the thugs of their neighborhood.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:54 am
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Nice false dichotomy there, moron!
It’s not an either/or choice between fighting crime or doing nothing. It’s a matter of establishing a police state and enforcement-only methods, or addressing root causes of crime and poverty.
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:17 am“Freedom is about authority. Freedom is about the willingness of every human being to cede to lawful authority a great deal of discretion about what you do.”
Rudy Giuliani
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:18 amAfter the war on terror is declared to be won, the returning soldiers and Blackwater mercenaries will need jobs. They’ll be a little jumpy, what with the extended tours in the land of roadside bombs, but they’ll know how to kick ass and take names. Actually, the name-taking will happen at the NSA but the ass-kicking will still be up-close and personal. What better than to put them in police departments. We’d have former soldiers accustomed to shooting first and not bothering with questions and former Blackwater thugs accustomed to being unaccountable for their actions. Abu Ghraib on Riker’s Island - why not? Lynndie England and Charlie Graner will need jobs when they get out of prison.
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:29 amDoes anyone at the NRA really think that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons everywhere will stop a fascist government from clamping down when the president feels threatened?
From an early age, it seems, the people who become members of the Greedy Oil Party, never learn to play or work with others. They are spoiled, greedy, dishonest people who take and do not understand the value of giving nor have they experienced receiving in return for giving. They hate government and are determined to destroy it by stealing from it to try to satisfy their thurst for more for themselves. They are really not good people at all.
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:39 amGreen Zones, comeing to a city center near you but hopefully not yours.
No need to send in the troops, The People inside the green zone are safe and can run their death squads safely and in peace.
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:52 amShock & Awe: coming soon to a liberal voting city near you.
August 2nd, 2008 at 12:38 pmSomeone needs to clamp down on John McCain and the criminal organization known as The Republican Party.
August 2nd, 2008 at 1:31 pmWhat’s your problem with exterminating vermin???
August 2nd, 2008 at 2:56 pmI hate to say it but I think the American people are going to have to fight to get back what’s been taken from us by the cabal that committed the coup d’état on November 22, 1963. It’s probably going to be us old people that start the revolution. We have nothing to lose, are going to die soon anyway, and are willing to so our children and grandchildren will have a representative republic again. My ancestors fought with the “insurgent” terrorist, Francis Marion (the old swamp fox), during the Revolutionary War in South Carolina and I guess I can do the same. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Francis_Marion
; I’ll bet some of you can find some of your ancestors here, http://www.geocities.com/ bourbonstreet/ 1786/ swampfox.html?20082.
http://www.apfn.org/pdf/citizen.pdf
It contains the Declaration of Independence, Constitution, Bill of Rights and states our rights as jurors and much more. Teach your children what a representative republic is and expose them to the writings of our founding fathers, especially their view on world bankers and the importance of bearing arms.
Buy the Geneva Bible and throw away the King James version.
Our protestant ancestors that stood up against tyranny and fought the American Revolution read the Geneva Bible.
http://www.reformed.org/ documents/ index.html?mainframe=http:/ / www.reformed.org/ documents/ geneva/ Geneva.html
It seems King James didn’t approve of the “seditious” notes in the margins of the Geneva Bible and sponsored his own version of the bible.
I hope we can take the country back peacefully but if not, well, the people in power now don’t seem to mind killing us or sending our children to sacrifice in wars for profit, do they?
The two hand picked candidates “running” for president, the behavior of, and votes of our congress for unconstitutional,, tyrannical laws, and the decisions of our judges, who have all sworn to protect our Constitution only show how far down the rabbit hole this country has gone.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:09 pmI think there’s something that prohibits using the military to enforce civilian laws. OH!!!!, that’s right…..The United States Constitution. Posse comitatus anyone? McCain is clueless and would be a dangerous man if elected.
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:09 pmBush signed a bill passed by Congress in October 2006 that repealed posse comitatus, The Military Commissions Act of 2006.
http://www.alaskafreepress.com/news/557
http://www.govtrack.us/ congress/ billtext.xpd?bill=s109-3930
http://www.google.com/ search?hl=en&q=who+wrote+the+military+commissions+act&btnG=Search
August 2nd, 2008 at 4:36 pmRich Says:
I think there’s something that prohibits using the military to enforce civilian laws. OH!!!!, that’s right…..The United States Constitution. Posse comitatus anyone? McCain is clueless and would be a dangerous man if elected.
Rich, McCain is still clueless and dangerous, but as far as posse comitatus, well, read on.
The John Warner Defense Appropriation Act of FY 2007 grants the President the right to commandeer Federal or even state National Guard Troops and use them inside the United States.
(Section 1076) allows the President to:
August 2nd, 2008 at 5:46 pm“…employ the armed forces, including the National Guard in Federal service, to…
restore public order and enforce the laws of the United States when, as a result of a natural disaster, epidemic, or other serious public health emergency, terrorist attack or incident, or other condition in any State or possession of the United States…, where the President determines that,…domestic violence has occurred to such an extent that the constituted authorities of the State or possession are incapable of maintaining public order;
suppress, in a State, any insurrection, domestic violence, unlawful combination, or conspiracy…”
leftcoast says,
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:03 pmHere it is according to Wikipedia [I know, I know, Wiki is not always reliable but I learned of it elsewhere at a place I cannot now find]:
HR5122 also known as the John Warner Defense Authorization Act was signed by the president on Oct 17, 2006 John Warner National Defense Authorization Act for Fiscal Year 2007. Section 1076 Text of Hr5122 is titled “Use of the Armed Forces in major public emergencies”. Removing the legalese from the text, and combining multiple sentences, it provides that: The President may employ the armed forces to restore public order in any State of the United States the President determines hinders the execution of laws or deprives people of a right, privilege, immunity, or protection named in the Constitution and secured by law or opposes or obstructs the execution of the laws of the United States or impedes the course of justice under those laws. The actual text is on page 322-323 of the legislation. As of 2008, these changes were repealed, changing the text of the law back to the original 1807 wording, under Public Law 110-181 (H.R. 4986)
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:10 pmGood lord. And McCain and Friends have the gall to compare Obama to Hitler?
Project much?
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:11 pm3volve says - I believe that this has recently been challenged …successfully.
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:12 pmMy bad if this is so. Do you have a link?
3volve- you posted your response to my question before I had time to pose the question. Very good. Thanks.
August 2nd, 2008 at 6:14 pmIt’s only a matter of time before he declares a war on poverty - oh wait, there’s already one of those going already!
August 2nd, 2008 at 9:45 pmAw c’mon now, McCain’s martial law initiative will only pertain to Black and Hispanic neighborhoods, where all the violent crime occurs anyway.
More diversity=less freedom. Take your pick.
I mean, what good will your libertarian utopia be if the likes of OJ Simpson, Tupac Shakur and Michael Jackson have an equal voice?
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:33 pmleftcoast,
My pleasure …nice to hear some good news for a change, eh ?
Also,
you wrote previously:
Also, since his plan will take added policing, look for Blackwater to fill that nitch.
I am waiting for the other shoe to fall vis a vis the Animal Enterprise Terrorism Act (bulldozed through in the Fall of 2006 also), whose parameters are appallingly wide in defining “terrorism”.
August 2nd, 2008 at 10:52 pmAnd I so agree with you about Blackwater; I read recently (maybe here today!) that they were going to focus on domestic activities because of the bad rap they are getting in the Middle East.
decibels wrote,
August 2nd, 2008 at 11:12 pmSen. McCain will do a great job as President. Once elected, I’m sure he’ll handle all sorts of homeland issues properly. Cracking down on inner city crime is an important task - one that requires some solid leadership.
Thank goodness we have folks like McCain that are tough enough to suggest solutions that are in the best interest of the weakest and most vulnerable within our society.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:23 am>>>> Cal Malenky Says:
After the war on terror is declared to be won, the returning soldiers and Blackwater mercenaries will need jobs. They’ll be a little jumpy, what with the extended tours in the land of roadside bombs, but they’ll know how to kick ass and take names. Actually, the name-taking will happen at the NSA but the ass-kicking will still be up-close and personal. What better than to put them in police departments. We’d have former soldiers accustomed to shooting first and not bothering with questions and former Blackwater thugs accustomed to being unaccountable for their actions. Abu Ghraib on Riker’s Island - why not? Lynndie England and Charlie Graner will need jobs when they get out of prison.
Does anyone at the NRA really think that allowing citizens to carry concealed weapons everywhere will stop a fascist government from clamping down when the president feels threatened? <<<<
Thank You! These were my concerns since the 1st few days of the Iraq war.
We’ve known for years about the Military Maneuvers practiced for years in our urban cities across the country…in case of terrorism or “domestic unrest”. This includes procedures for immediate takeover of local governments and probably the airwaves. (Remember the sheriff in Hurricane Katrina, trying to reach his mother’s nursing home? He could not call out and noticed his building’s receiver had been replaced by a Govt. one).
Did anyone see this piece by Sean Hannity a couple of weeks ago?:
It began with story of a lovely African American family…all girls being raised by their Aunts. Their big brother, their hero, had returned from Iraq, was standing at a bustop in uniform, was mugged, but had no money, was then killed.
The piece went on to say that attacks on returning soldiers are on the rise. As SH spoke ominously of this, with matching heavy music in background, the film interspersed images of a bomb at a recruitment office, and an anti-war rally, with Code Pink in the foreground.
Still ominously, SH said that the Military is putting returning soldiers on high alert and giving them “Security Briefings”.
Well, that’s just great. Jumpy, traumatised soldiers, back from violence and mayhem in Iraq, on high alert for jumpy traumatised Americans, and Code Pink?? for god’s sake.
What are those Security briefings teaching them?
waitaminute
August 3rd, 2008 at 5:12 amThe only suggestion mccain can make that would make any sense at all is for him to suggest he drop out of the presidential race and retire to an “old folks” home where he can cause no harm to anyone, least of all himself.
August 3rd, 2008 at 10:46 amWhen the only tool you have is a hammer, every problem looks like a nail.
If being tortured for 5+ years by the North Vietnamese qualifies John McCain to be our next president, then there are more than 250 current and former Gitmo detainees from Afganistan that are qualified to be the next Afgan president.
August 3rd, 2008 at 11:38 am“This is a well-crafted ad that speaks to right wing fundamentalists who believe in a literal second coming of Christ. Before Christ comes, before Armageddon, there is a period of peace that is led by “the Anti-Christ”. He will be known as “the One” and people will believe that he has brought peace to the earth and that he will replace God as the center of all worship. The folks who believe this is as literal (and there are many of them) are the ones that that ad is targeting! Just look at the “Left Behind” series sales and you will discover how huge a following there is of this perspective.” Katy
Katy,
You are dead right about this. But has Obama denounced any reference to himself as a messiah? If he hasn’t, then I think he should and in a way that indicates who the true Messiah is.
BTW, I consider myself an evangelical and I do believe in a literal Second Coming of Christ. Don’t you? Or have i misunderstood you?
I’ll be writing in Dr. Ron Paul’s name this Nov. If enough people do so, the mainstream media will find it hard to ignore him in 2012. After 4 years of McCain or Obama we will need him badly.
August 3rd, 2008 at 3:15 pm“You’re watching Channel 10 News at 10 coming up… fighting continues in downtown Detroit as forces from the Blackwater 2nd Mechanized Volunteer Infantry Brigade Urban Assault Unit are attempting to clear city streets of violent enemy combatants… we’ll have live coverage of the ongoing battle for America’s streets… plus following the recent illegal Anarchist’s rally in San Francisco see what the Department of Homeland Security is doing to keep this dangerous deviant anti-government threat from spreading… our reporter spoke with the DHS about their new Rehabilitation Center Program which has been using ‘new methods’ of dealing with the problem of anti-government deviants… and afterwards we’ll have the weather forecast for the next 7 days.”
Nightly News of the Future.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:25 amMcCain can’t do that. Not until the police are outfitted with their brown shirts. Feel safer yet America?
August 4th, 2008 at 12:25 pmI am amazed that you all are having this conversion as if it is in the future. This conversation is ex post facto McCain is just discussing his views on increasing the troop levels. The fact is we live in a police state. Our liberties are lost. We currently have the largest prison population in the world. If you count the disenfranchised excons, it may be as large as the Old Soviet Union. The war on drugs was declared by Bush one, and we all stood by as they tinkered. Now on any given street, any given day, you can be gunned down for nothing by shooters in blue and they will indemnified by the state and your neighbors.
August 4th, 2008 at 9:16 pmKeep up the dialog, but get on point!