Ingraham: We don’t need graphic war images because ‘we know what it’s like’ from ‘high-tech Hollywood.’
Ingraham: We don’t need graphic war images because ‘we know what it’s like’ from ‘high-tech Hollywood.’
Today on her radio show, right-wing talker Laura Ingraham hosted Zoriah Miller, a photojournalist whose embed with the Marines in Iraq was abruptly cut short after he published photos on his website of a dead Marine. Once Miller’s segment was over and he was gone, Ingraham accused him of having a political agenda and acting in “desperation” to turn people against the war. She also said war photography like his was unnecessary because “we know what it’s like” from “high-tech Hollywood”:
INGRAHAM: As the situation in Iraq continues to improve, I think you’re going to see more acts of desperation like this on the part of the anti-war clack, and of course Zoriah Miller has to be one of them. … We know what it is like for people to be disemboweled by an IED or a sniper’s bullet. We’ve seen enough of the horror, with the high-tech Hollywood, okay. We know what it is.
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In a column on the subject by the New York Times’ public editor this week, executive editor Bill Keller noted, “Death and carnage are not the whole story of war — there is also heroism and frustration, success and setback, camaraderie and, on occasion, atrocity — but death and carnage are part of the story, and to launder them out of our account of the war would be a disservice.”
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INGRAHAM: We know what it is like for people to be disemboweled by an IED or a sniper’s bullet.
Guess working for FAUX really is hell ; how else can one explain this insane statement ??????????????????
August 4th, 2008 at 4:07 pmJust another example of the Faux Bimbo Brigade (tm) in action. And she didn't have the sack to address it to his face, had to wait til he was off the air. Typical Chickenhawk reaction.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:10 pm“Death and carnage are not the whole story of war — there is also heroism and frustration, success and setback, camaraderie and, on occasion, atrocity — but death and carnage are part of the story, and to launder them out of our account of the war would be a disservice.”
Good, eloquent words.
Something to think about: death and carnage being part of the story, part of the conditions our troops face, enhance the sense of bravery and heroism those troops display. The more difficult the challenge, the greater the triumph.
By downplaying or "laundering out" those factors of war, Right wingers like Ingraham also diminish the stories of heroism of our troops.
Why does The Right hate our troops?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:11 pmWe know what it is like for people to be disemboweled by an IED or a sniper’s bullet. We’ve seen enough of the horror, with the high-tech Hollywood, okay. We know what it is.
Yes, Laura, but are you one of the people in this country smart enough to be able to tell the difference? And how do you know that "high-tech Hollywood" gets it right if we have nothing to compare it to? The only way you can know for sure that Hollywood is getting it right is if you compare Hollywood scenes of dead bodies to real images of dead bodies. Are you trying to say that Hollywood's depictions of war do not give us the same feel as real images of war?
Or is that you don't want FOx's viewers to know that American soldiers are dying in Iraq?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThink of specific images of Vietnam, the Buddhist monk setting himself on fire, the little Vietnamese girl running down the road- naked and hit by napalm, or General Loan blowing out the brains of a captured VC during Tet.
NONE of those images were a result of a Hollywood movie, but were taken by journalists on the spot.
War is ugly business, and should be shown as such, not sanitized so as not to upset little Lauras at their breakfasts.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pmThis disgusts me just as much as George Bush's quote: "Well, you know, I think a lot of people are in this fight. I mean, they sacrifice peace of mind when they see the terrible images of violence on TV every night..."
I am sure there are some Iraq war veterans that can help people, who see this violence on tv (or in hollywood), cope with this terrible sacrifice they are being put through.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pmGeebutZ ,did she eat StupidFlakes for breakfast?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:12 pmIngraham: We don’t need graphic war images because ‘we know what it’s like’ from ‘high-tech Hollywood.
Well yeah, who wants to see images of babies torn apart, or soldiers with no limbs, or fathers decapitated, or mothers being burned alive?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:13 pmSheesh!
Because, if we don't see these images, then perhaps we can convince ourselves that they never really happened, and maybe, just maybe, we'll forget that it's the current administration that got us into this hell!
Laura's children probably think the DeathWar games on their Wii is real combat.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:14 pmHey, Laura!
Have you ever looked straight up at a medivac chopper banking in toward your base camp and seen about a bucket of blood come raining out down on you?
You don't know shit about war, so STFU!
August 4th, 2008 at 4:16 pmUnka Ho,
Those images and some of the ones I actually witnessed are just as bright today as they were back in the day.
Too bad none of the BushCo Chickenhawks have ever been in combat, if they had, we wouldn't be where we are now.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:17 pmOnce Miller’s segment was over and he was gone, Ingraham accused him of having a political agenda...
Coward.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:18 pmINGRAHAM: As the situation in Iraq continues to improve, I think you’re going to see more acts of desperation like this on the part of the anti-war clack, and of course Zoriah Miller has to be one of them
What a bold and brave thing to say, after Miller had left the set. The so called "Bravery of being out of range".
August 4th, 2008 at 4:18 pmNice.
Hey, wanna prove how tough you really are? I dare you to come face to face with a family member who lost a loved one in Iraq, and then make you comparison of this quagmire to Hollywood!
Mucking foron!
I'm sure that there are several thousand soldiers and soldiers' families who wish this was a movie, Laura, and not with real blood, and real death, and real pain.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:20 pmINGRAHAM: As the situation in Iraq continues to improve, I think you’re going to see more acts of desperation like this on the part of the anti-war clack, and of course Zoriah Miller has to be one of them. … We know what it is like for people to be disemboweled by an IED or a sniper’s bullet. We’ve seen enough of the horror, with the high-tech Hollywood, okay. We know what it is.
I felt the need to expound a bit on my original post.
How exactly does this empty-headed bim know what it feels like to be ripped apart by either an IED or a bullet ?
That's akin to me exclaiming that I know exactly what it feels like to be a black man , because I've seen "Roots" and watch BET a lot.
And does this dopey broad realize the effect that type of violent death has upon surviving family members ?
Could she be any more clueless , callous and arrogant ?
Jesus , what a complete fu(king moron..............
August 4th, 2008 at 4:24 pmMy two year old has a better understanding of the difference between tv and reality than Ingraham does. If all she knows about war is what she's seen in movies/tv, she doesn't have much room to comment, although that has never stopped her before.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pmI've said it before, and I'll say it often, Reichwingers are delusional.
Whether it's comparing movies to real live war, treating the Buy-bull as historical and scientific fact, or projecting their own fears and flaws on others, they clearly don't operate in the same reality as most people.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:25 pmupside; the first time I seen a grunt blown up by a mine, I puked my guts out.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:27 pmCrap. That woman is a bloody idiot.
Hollywood produces imaginary dead bodies. Bush's war produces REAL dead bodies.
Stupid skank.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:30 pmLet us bow and pray thank you to the lying complicit corporate media for sanatizing (sic) our imperial occupations of Afghanistan and Iraq... Imagine if we saw these illegal criminal occuptions from the viewpoints of the Afghanis and the Iraqis...
August 4th, 2008 at 4:31 pmUnka,
The first time I pulled the pilot, co-pilot and gunner out of a burned out Huey, seeing and smelling those poor crsipy critters made me sick for a week. Still can smell it.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:32 pmBTW, I know I'm being picky, but it's "claque."
claque–noun
August 4th, 2008 at 4:34 pm1. a group of persons hired to applaud an act or performer.
2. a group of sycophants.
Anyone need an editor...? I'm available. ;o)
~A
August 4th, 2008 at 4:35 pmI can spin that fact in five notes!
August 4th, 2008 at 4:37 pmOnce Miller’s segment was over and he was gone, Ingraham accused him of having a political agenda and acting in “desperation” to turn people against the war.
As opposed to your impartial behavior and unclear feelings of the war , you mindless asshat ?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:38 pmFollowing this logic, we didn't need to see images of men landing on the moon, because Hollywood had already given us "Forbidden Planet".
That's a ludicrous comparison, of course. The Hollywood movie is a work of fiction, and we make our own assumptions as to how it compares to reality. Whether we're right or not is anybody's guess if we have no reality to compare it to.
However, when we watch something out of Hollywood, we KNOW we're watching a work of fiction. We KNOW that the blood, the explosions, and the dismemberment are special effects. And we KNOW that when the camera stops rolling, the (apparently) mangled bodies will rise up and walk off the set.
The reality of war is far more horrible than the fictional equivalent. A soldier getting a leg blown off really loses a leg. A child bleeding to death in the street really dies. And grenades actually do some damage.
On that horrible day that was 9/11, there were some children, who, unable to discern the difference between Hollywood and reality, thought the video shown repeatedly on TV of the jet flying into the WTC and the resulting explosion was "really cool". Once they grasped that it was REAL and not a special effect, that people died as a result, that was when they wound up with nightmares.
The war apologists don't want anyone to SEE the horror of war, the way they did in Vietnam. Having the reality of the carnage in their faces would not do for their flagging attempts to whip up support for it.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:38 pmMaybe laura needs to see some of these pics of what Bush and his war do to non-imaginary people.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:39 pmLI has identified the problem is a nutshell.This WH has been able to de-sensitize the war, with the helping hand of the MSM. No pictures of the caskets coming back to Dover. The only ones who know the real cost of the war in human terms are the soldiers and their families.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:39 pmTypical spineless neocon mentality to attack the person when they are not in front of them. I could say more, but LI is not worth the energy.
"Ingraham accused him of having a political agenda and acting in “desperation” to turn people against the war."
His agenda appears to be nothing more than to report the truth which contrasts strongly against Ingraham's agenda to continue this occupation by omitting the truth. Who's agenda is more honorable?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:41 pmupside; I was a FNG at the time, but I will NEVER stop seeing it.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:47 pmAnd Fox News Channel acts in desperation to convince us the war in Iraq was necessary, justifiable, and legal. It was, of course, none of those things.
STFU Ingraham.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:49 pm"but death and carnage are part of the story, and to launder them out of our account of the war would be a disservice.”
August 4th, 2008 at 4:50 pmMore hypocritical words have never been spoken. Ok Mr. Keller let's see the true picture of the war in your yellow paper just as the American press covered Vietnam. The fact is the Times and just about every other paper have done nothing but LAUNDER the true images of the suffering and carnage in Iraq directly out of the American public's consciousness.
Would love to see her kiss cement, with the aid of the back of my shoe.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:51 pmIngraham is paid to use incendiary, idiotically oversimplified rhetoric. She is a symptom of spiritually and intellectually bankrupt society. But at least its our spiritually and intellectually bankrupt society!
August 4th, 2008 at 4:52 pmNo Laura, it is nothing like what you see on TV. Nothing at all.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:52 pmI suppose if you were Vic Morrow getting your head chopped off on the set of Twilight Zone it would be acceptable.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:52 pmYou stupid bimbo the people of this country don`t want this war now or from the beginning.........and in case you forgot in Hollywood no one DIES.Why can`t the right just die a meaningless death....
August 4th, 2008 at 4:53 pm*cough* Does this mean we'll no longer have real photos of events? Just animated graphics from designers in Hollywood?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:53 pmWiwi - would that be real death for the right, or a meaningless Hollywood death?
August 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pmActually according to her own statement, news stations shouldn't hesitate to show graphic war images, because we already "know what its like". Of course, I guess the media is afraid to chronicle the genocide of a million Iraqis at the hands of US sponsored militias, US mercenary deathsquads, and US armed forces. We all saw how they went into overtime last week pushing that patsy's death as the end-all for the US orchestrated anthrax attacks.
August 4th, 2008 at 4:54 pmDumb Question: In a war, are there things seen which are too atrocious - so that they aren't put into the Hollywood "truth"?? Are there innocent civilian babies blown apart with entrails spilling out, etc ? Scenes which the soldiers say will haunt them for the rest of their lives ?
Yeah, I said it was a stupid question.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:05 pmOT
Everyone please report bitblt for abuse on the KBR cell-phone thread. His comment (19) will make you cringe.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:10 pmupside99 Says:
Too bad none of the BushCo Chickenhawks have ever been in combat, if they had, we wouldn’t be where we are now.
Amen to that.
War is not a f-king movie. War is not a scripted fictional fantasy on the big screen.
I can no longer watch war movies without being haunted by memories of the real thing. A movie I can walk away from though.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:15 pmMapleStreet,
I think Uncle Ho, RU and some of the fellow Vietnam vets as well as those from Iraq can tell you that, Yes, those things can be seen and were seen. As to the long term impacts, I can only tell I still have thoughts, sometimes dreams and always some anguish, and that is 38 years later.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:18 pmWayne,
I hear you! But to Ingraham and all the rest of the Scumbags at Faux, the NeoCons and BushCo that tout war, they don't have a f'ing clue!!!!!
August 4th, 2008 at 5:21 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
Something to think about: death and carnage being part of the story, part of the conditions our troops face, enhance the sense of bravery and heroism those troops display. The more difficult the challenge, the greater the triumph.
From a veteran's perspective, bravery and heroism is the last thing on your mind when the bullets are flying. Your thoughts are on keeping yourself and your buddies alive, while trying to stop the people shooting at you from shooting at you, any way possible.
That said, to sanitize the news of war, to make the President look good is a disservice to the men and women who have to fight, bleed and die.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:43 pmAnd a war started over lies and for corporate greed ( Iraq )is the worst disservice of all to our men and women in uniform.
Yeah, upside, every four or five months, I still have that dream where I'm running through the tall grass and my body gets riddled. That's 38 years of that 'Hollywood' dream.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:49 pmthe human cost of war? we don't need no stinking human cost of war. it's funny how little Laura's tune has changed since the "WMD" days.
August 4th, 2008 at 5:54 pmI was going to post a witty rejoinder to Ms. Ingraham, but I realized that she is only an irrelevant pissant, hardly worth the time.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:01 pmWith each passing day it seems the Reichwingers become more childlike. Rather than take any responsibility, for anything, they just hide their role. Just like a four-year old who kicks a broken vase under a rug, or hides a broken toy and, when questioned about it's absence, replies, "it's too nice to play with every day".
And the really sad part is that it doesn't matter what they've done. Minor screw ups that could be redressed with a simple, "oops! I effed up, I won't do that again" are allowed to fester because the people in charge are so arrogant/stupid that it's more important to defend failure than fix it. And the 20%ers eat it with a spoon.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:03 pmLaura may believe it's icky to look at pictures of the dead she has helped to create. She might have nightmares about accidentally gunning down a family coming through the checkpoint because an idiot lieutenant from west point that just came in country thought they looked "terror like" and had all ready soiled himself and didn't want his troops to see he had shit all squashed in his seating arrangement.
August 4th, 2008 at 6:05 pmwar equals blood. pictures are required. the revolution has to be televised.
an irrelevant pissant with a thousand killowats of power!
I live in L.A. where her and Dennis Prager get paid a lot of money and smile down from billboards. there's a lot of advertising time to sell on shows which mock and ridicule Liberal Democrats.
I see this one upside down from most people. I think ignoring the Laura Ingrahms is the WORST thing we can do. look at Corsi and all these guys doing the media mambo again. they still act like their attacks on Kerry were completely true and justified? how can they do that? because not enough people screamed and hollered about it the first time - that's my opinion.
People who passed on bad info before are doing it again. why shouldn't they? they were never made to pay a price before.
ignore them at your peril or they'll be three for three before you know it!
August 4th, 2008 at 6:07 pmLet us NOT remember those who risk for this country.
The godess of Godlessness has spoken and determined what is right for us. What we should and should have.
Roger Ailes and Murdoch must ge paying decently, eh?
August 4th, 2008 at 8:00 pmIt's going to be hilarious when Laura's mangled body is found in a Dumpster.
August 4th, 2008 at 8:59 pmThanks, Wayne. I think we're saying the same thing.
August 4th, 2008 at 11:56 pmWell said.
One of the disservices is that Americans back home that are supporting them. Aren't supposed to see the actual price we pay in war?
That Americans can only cheerlead and never remorse the cost of life.
Soldiers are killed in action. Not sacrificed, lost or fallen. They are killed.
We should know the cost.
August 5th, 2008 at 1:13 amralph...I used your post to poke at the tighty-righty trolls on our local MB. Hope you don't mind. You just said it soooooo well.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:43 amIf it is blond, female, and a rethuglican...run like hell. There is something seriously wrong with that combination.
August 5th, 2008 at 11:11 amLaura Ingraham proves a woman can be just as big of a thug as a man.
August 6th, 2008 at 6:12 amSilly Fascist TV Pundits and thier silly support for censorship, thier desire for blood and their silly immoral occupations of soveriegn countries.
Thank God that no Dittohead Trolls are allowed in heaven.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:42 pm