Exclusive: Auto Makers Deflate McCain’s Ignorant Hot Air On Value Of Proper Tire Inflation
Exclusive: Auto Makers Deflate McCain’s Ignorant Hot Air On Value Of Proper Tire Inflation
In a series of public events today, John McCain has ramped up his disingenuous attack on the impact proper tire inflation can have in saving energy. At a rally in South Dakota, a hyper McCain yelled to the crowd: “My opponent doesn’t want to drill. He doesn’t want nuclear power. He wants you to inflate your tires.” Earlier in the day, he said: “We’re not going to achieve energy independence by inflating our tires.”
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Of course, Obama has never suggested that proper tire pressure would “achieve energy independence.” McCain’s insincere demagoguing of this issue overlooks a crucial and important fact – ensuring proper tire pressure is a better and more immediate response than oil drilling to the nation’s pain at the pump.
In a post on the Wonk Room, Charles Territo, the director of communications for the Auto Alliance (which represents Chrysler, Ford, and GM, among others), notes some facts McCain should keep in mind:
• The Department of Energy estimates that 1.2 billion gallons of fuel were wasted in 2005 as a result of driving on under-inflated tires.
• Fuel efficiency is reduced by 1% for every 3 PSI that tires are under-inflated.
• Proper tire inflation can save the equivalent of about 1 tank of gas per year.
• Proper tire inflation also reduces CO2 emissions.
• Experts estimate that 25% of automobiles are running on tires with lower than recommended pressure, because people don’t know how to check their tires or don’t realize that tires naturally lose air over time.
Territo notes that the Auto Alliance sponsored tire pressure checks for members of Congress and their staff last week. “Surprisingly, we found that most drivers had tires between 5 and 7 pounds under inflated — some had tires under-inflated by as much as 20 pounds,” he writes. “This significantly reduced their vehicle’s fuel economy.” If conservatives truly want to take immediate action on energy, they can stop wasting time on political stunts and start checking their tires.
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But — but — but… Daryll’s 2007 Tahoe gets 22 MPG!
The vehicle guide says so!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 3:57 pm” If conservatives truly want to take immediate action on energy, they can stop wasting time on political stunts and start checking their tires.
they need to check the pressure in their heads…
August 5th, 2008 at 3:58 pmMcTireGauge may be a little over-inflated right now. His aides might want to check the hot air pressure in this old McMissBuffaloChips to see if it has reached a dangerous level…
August 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pm“At a rally in South Dakota, a hyper McCain yelled to the crowd”
Old man yells at cloud…
August 5th, 2008 at 4:00 pm“At his South Dakota rally, McCain yelled: “When I’m president of the United States, I’m not going to let them [Congress] go on vacation!”
Isn’t he part of the congress that’s on vacation? did mccain vote against it? did he vote to extend the session?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pm“…don’t realize that tires naturally lose air over time…”
Too bad the same doesn’t apply to McHotair!!! He hasn’t lost any of his air since he started playing McBushIII.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:01 pmAt his South Dakota rally, McCain yelled: “When I’m president of the United States, I’m not going to let them [Congress] go on vacation!”
…says the man who hasn’t shown up for work since April 9…
August 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pmFritz Says:
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“At a rally in South Dakota, a hyper McCain yelled to the crowd”
Old man yells at cloud…
Actually, Old Man Who Yells at Cloud is the name the Sioux gave McCain on his visit…
August 5th, 2008 at 4:05 pm““At his South Dakota rally, McCain yelled: “When I’m president of the United States,”
further proof dementia has taken hold of the old coot.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:07 pmMcPutz is becoming increasely irrelevant, obsolete, and downright embarrassing.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:08 pmTripleKick 7 Says:
” Get a real energy plan you dope.”
Sooooo, dribblydick, your idea of “a real energy plan” is to bend over and let the oil companies slam you up the arse selling you oil from public land at enormous profit?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:09 pmThese trolls came in on the short bus…
Sheesh.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pmNote to TripleKick 1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6, and 7:
Definition of insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
Moron.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:10 pmi agree, zooey, it’s four o’clock eastern which mean the national honor soceity just got in from summer school.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:11 pmob8, TK 7, You two sound even more worn out than McCain. Nap time.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:12 pmincreasely = increasingly
sheesh.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:12 pmTripleKick 7 Says:
Obama’s ego is over inflated, that’s for sure. Get a real energy plan you dope.
As opposed to McCain’s drill here drill now rhetoric? (Hey wait, didn’t he steal that from Newt Gingrich?) Oh, I forgot, and build loads of nuclear power plants! Gee that took a lot of brain power to come up with that ‘plan’.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pmob8, You should probably give credit to the right wing rag you stole your #14 post from.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:16 pmI see the obi8 troll is taken with the concept of cut-and-pasting without acknowledging its sources.
Very honorable.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:17 pmMaybe McCain’s yelling will help him like it helped Howard Dean. The problem really is that most (if not all) of the voters that support the oldest guy ever think that Obama’s energy policy is entirely made up of ‘inflate your tires’. Relying on one candidate to tell you what the other will do is not a smart way to vote. Unfortunately, that’s how Americans vote.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pmWhy should we assume that an energy policy created by the Oil Companies would work now when it worked oooohh so well when Cheney asked them last time??
August 5th, 2008 at 4:19 pm“TripleKick 7 Says:
Obama just sounds like more of an elitist idiot when he tells us to go tune up our cars. His energy plan needs a tune up”
Yeah, because only elitists tune up their cars. What an assclown.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:20 pmI don’t think TK knows what “elitist” means.
He’s probably got a clear idea what “idiot” means, though. He should, anyway — he’s had enough experience with people referring to him that way.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:21 pmNow turn it into an ad that can be used to attack McCain. A suggestion:
1. Camera pans across a crowded freeway with thousands of cars. Voice over: “The high cost of gas is causing suffering to millions of American family. One candidate promises us relief in ten to twenty years by drilling new wells and building new nuclear reactors.”
2. Camera panning from windmills, to fuel cell car to hybrid and any other alternative fuel method. Voice over: “Barak Obama wants to help and help now. Everything from taxing windfall profits to relieve working and middle class families to simple common sense ideas such as inflating your tires and tuning your cars just like NASCAR drivers and automotive experts have long advised. In the mean time we can develop new
technologies to reduce our oil dependence.”
3. Clip from McCain talking about offshore drilling providing only psychological relief.
4. Picture of Obama with voice over: Put it another way, you can put air in your tires and reduce gas consumption by 1.2 billion gallons a year and start a comprehensive energy program. Or, your can vote for John McCain and put money into the pockets of big oil while they drill holes in the ground and have all that psychological relief. Guess we know why oil interests have contributed more than $2 million to the McCain campaign.”
I would also suggest that Obama fight fire with fire. Tire gages cost 89 cents. Why not sell them for $1.00 with “Vote for Obama” imprinted on them. Make a big press deal out of how the Republicans sell them for a $25 contribution with a nice tag line of : “Every thing is more expensive when it comes from Republicans.”
August 5th, 2008 at 4:21 pmTanqueray, why can’t you get the terminology right?
It’s “terrorist fist-jab”.
I know you’ve warned about that by your superiors, but I won’t report you this time.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:22 pmAssuming these two TP facts to be true, and assuming the average tank of gasoline to be 16 gallons, this means that the average driver would save 4 gallons of gasoline per year (16 * .25). 4 gallons of gasoline per year is not enough for us to achieve energy independence.
~250 million cars registered in U.S. x 4 gals each = 1 billion gallons of gasoline saved a year.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:23 pmThis is roughly equal to saving 512,000 barrels of oil a year.
I’d call that a pretty good first step, especially considering that it will yield immediate results and actually reduces pollution and consumption instead of increasing it.
TripleKick 7 Says
August 5th, 2008 at 4:07 pm
Obama’s ego is over inflated, that’s for sure. Get a real energy plan you dope.
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Obama HAS a real energy plan. You can read it here:
http://www.barackobama.com/pdf/factsheet_energy_speech_080308.pdf
You know, you might learn something if you bother to pay attention to something other than the GOP talking points once in awhile.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:24 pmMcCain’s actual understanding of this issue may be hard to guage.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:26 pm“Sen. Barack Obama responds: “Now two points, one, they know they’re lying about what my energy plan is, but the other thing is they’re making fun of a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent. It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
Of course. Ignorance is one of the things that they do best!
August 5th, 2008 at 4:27 pmObamas practical advice does more in “real-world” terms(not only for U.S.) than anything McCain has come up with in 25 years of public troughing.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pmFalse.
False.
True. Does this mean that McCain is against inflating our tires? That’s what it sounds like. McCain wants us riding around on our rims, like a carjacker who’s run over spike strips and insists he can still outrun the police.
Come to think of it, that’s a pretty good metaphor for the way Bush has run the country. And McSame wants to continue the same policies.
True. But no one ever said we would. Straw Man.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pmSen. Barack Obama responds: “Now two points, one, they know they’re lying about what my energy plan is, but the other thing is they’re making fun of a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent. It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.“
Yeah, I noticed that too, Senator
August 5th, 2008 at 4:28 pmThat seems to be the mantra of most Republicans, especially these loser trolls posting today.
crippled dick; FLAGGED!
August 5th, 2008 at 4:29 pmZooey Says:
These trolls came in on the short bus…
With under-inflated tires. :)
August 5th, 2008 at 4:29 pmIt’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.
BINGO BARRACK!
August 5th, 2008 at 4:29 pmmisshusseinmolly Says:
You know, you might learn something if you bother to pay attention to something other than the GOP talking points once in awhile.
Are GOP talking points kind of like eating twinkies? You know, empty calories that fill you up but don’t give you any nutrition?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pm10% by 2012? Who believes that, seriously?
Check this out…
http://www.ens-newswire.com/ens/aug2008/2008-08-02-01.asp
And where is the $150 billion going to come from?
actual subsidies to Big Oil are between $78 to $158 billion
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/07/03/price-of-oil-hidden-oil-s_n_110606.html
August 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pmMcCain’s interpretation of every problem we have in this country is always incorrect, so his plans for a solution would only worsen the present situation.
Makes you wonder why anyone with even a modicum of common sense would ever consider voting for him. I guess there is that percentage of society that enjoys pain.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pmThemis Says
August 5th, 2008 at 4:08 pm
Assuming these two TP facts to be true, and assuming the average tank of gasoline to be 16 gallons, this means that the average driver would save 4 gallons of gasoline per year (16 * .25). 4 gallons of gasoline per year is not enough for us to achieve energy independence.
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Obama never said that keeping tires properly inflated would allow us to achieve energy independence — not all by itself, anyway. Of course, neither will off-shore drilling.
But I can see the truth isn’t going to stop you from throwing this lie about “what Obama said” at us every chance you get, in some naive hope that if you just say it enough, it will be true.
Give it up — nobody here is buying.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:31 pmEveryone of these ne’er do wells is up for re-election. Come on America, do your job and fire these worthless bastards who claim to hate government handouts while taking government paychecks and doing nothing but lie to the American people.
Greedy Oil Party = GOP
August 5th, 2008 at 4:31 pmThanks for finally acknowledging that Obama’s energy plan is something more than simply “inflating our tires” as McSame and the GOP bobbleheads have been repeating.
Your critique of “who believes that, seriously?” is not sufficient, however. Please state something more substantial than blank partisan cynicism for your skeptical response.
Perhaps part of the $150 billion could come from oil and gas lease royalties that are currently not collected because of tax breaks and loopholes?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:33 pmob8, Lets not do any one thing to save energy unless that one thing achieves energy independence, right? And if Obama answers someone asking what she can do as an individual to help, let’s pretend he answered her by stating his national energy plan, right? Cuz the republicans can’t win without lies and distortions, right?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:33 pmmary Says
August 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Are GOP talking points kind of like eating twinkies? You know, empty calories that fill you up but don’t give you any nutrition?
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Exactly. Except that Twinkies are unlikely to poison you or rot your mind (despite Dan White’s “Twinkie Defense”) — unless you never eat anything else.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:33 pmThe “We Choose to go to the Moon” speech… September 12th, 1962.
The Moon Landing… July 20, 1969
Seven Years.
10% by 2012? Who believes that, seriously?
I do.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pmIs there a poll predicting when the old fellow will squirt out internal juices and shut down on his own? He is getting to the point where the statements and physicality resemble a desperate old fellow reaching for butterflies only he can see.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pmHe really doesn’t seem to have command over any of the issues now. His press corpse puts out funny stuff and doesn’t tell him so he can’t contradict them right away. He tells people his “people” are wrong, he is right. They tell anyone willing to listen, he is wrong and they are right. They just won’t tell him.
The estimates don’t assume every car. It’s an estimate for the American market. Please try to keep up.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pmobamagr8 Says:
Ralph, where did McCain say WE SHOULDN’T check tire inflation?
Where did Obama say that inflating your tires is the answer to our energy problems?! Boy are you ever dense.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pm“It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
Yes, but how do they know? They’re ignorant! What they take pride in is knowing that even more ignorant people actually listen and believe what they don’t know but are happy to talk about. There’s probably too many hard core wing nuts deflating their tires just to go against ‘the liberal’.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:34 pmobamagr8 Says:
Speaking of ignorant, Obama is applying his recommendation universally. Not every car has tires that are underinflated.
its pretty funny that you make this statement and mention ignorance in the same sentence.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:35 pmYou probably miss why its funny though. LOL
i have to ask, again:
why is cindy ALWAYS with him?… like a nurse maid…
i can understand sturgis, but ALWAYS, EVERYWHERE.
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and did you hear about mcLECHER offering up his bee-u-ty-ful wife to be in the TOPLESS beauty contest… Miss Cowchip, is it??
August 5th, 2008 at 4:35 pmHe didn’t. But he would have to be kind of loopy to make fun of a step he recommends, wouldn’t he?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:35 pm@ 49, pomegranate sez: Speaking of ignorant, Obama is applying his recommendation universally. Not every car has tires that are underinflated.
i’d bet you any amount you wanted to risk that more than one in any two cars you randomly stopped had their tire pressure measured.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:36 pm“TripleKick 7 Says:
Obama just sounds like more of an elitist idiot when he tells us to go tune up our cars. His energy plan needs a tune up”
Hey dimwit: Two economists evaluted his plan today and both have agreed that it would drop the price of gas at the pump by 50%. Now considering how long it takes to find oil, drill for it, transport it to refineries, refine it and get it to the pump 7-10 years, tell me why drilling is the answer to your dilemma. Are all cons ignorant sobs?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:36 pm“…It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
I liked that one. For decades, now, too…
August 5th, 2008 at 4:37 pmcontd:
August 5th, 2008 at 4:38 pmtire pressure measured would be low bu at least 10 percent. most people don’t touch the mechanics of their carts, leaving it to irregular service stops. I doubt half of the people change oil at efficient–as opposed to affordable–intervals…
Wow, TK, that was weak.
I mean, I know you’re no heavyweight, but I thought you had a little more game than that.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:39 pmobamagr8 Says
August 5th, 2008 at 4:30 pm
Speaking of ignorant, Obama is applying his recommendation universally. Not every car has tires that are underinflated.
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What? You are now criticizing Obama for telling everybody they should have properly inflated tires instead of only telling the people whose tires aren’t properly inflated?
When your criticism gets down to this kind of hair-splitting, you must be very desperate.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:39 pmSounds like the Republican Party is a group of no nothings now. Ignorance + Incompetence + Corporate Pimps = The Republican Deficit and The Republican Recession
August 5th, 2008 at 4:40 pmmisshusseinmolly – look at a definition for empty calories I found:
“They let you feel good and are easy to swallow. But their glory is short lived when they leave you with disease and obesity.”
August 5th, 2008 at 4:40 pmobamagr8 Says:
McCain yelled to the crowd: “My opponent doesn’t want to drill.True.
Actually you’re dead WRONG.
Dumb as a crusty old piece of dog shit, aintcha?
http://www.palmbeachpost.com/state/content/state/epaper/2008/08/01/0801obama1.html
August 5th, 2008 at 4:40 pmMy friendssss — trussst me:
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2008/07/26/AR2008072601891.html
– and trussst my friendsss, the oil companiessss … ssuckerssss ….
August 5th, 2008 at 4:41 pmOh boy………
The self-proclaimed “maverick” NOT the car is starting to act like a buffoon.
Notice I said “starting”….always be kind to your elders – that includes our crazy Uncle John McLame.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:42 pmold man snarls while standing on his wife’s petunias:
August 5th, 2008 at 4:42 pm“Hey you kids, get off my lawn!”
When your criticism gets down to this kind of hair-splitting, you must be very desperate.
ignorance is always the first defense of the desperate. the first objection was ignorant–well, really, willfully obtuse. Ignorance can actually be excused. But willful obtuseness requires forethought. It’s premeditated stupidity. Should be punishable by 90 days in the local jail.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:43 pmIm willing to bet McCain, if elected, beats the Bush vacation record.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:43 pmobamagr8 Says:
He wants to support a renewable portfolio standard, which means that, by the year 2012, 10 percent of our electricity would be produced from green energy, solar, wind, et cetera.
10% by 2012? Who believes that, seriously?
And where is the $150 billion going to come from?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:26 pm
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Pulling out of Iraq will save us about $4 trillion. That’s a start.
And now that the Iraqis have an $87 billion budget surplus, maybe they’ll loan it to us. That’d get us halfway there.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:44 pm81. tomcat27834 Says:
Oh boy………
The self-proclaimed “maverick” …
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A maverick is just a cow that’s too stupid to go home. Ask any rancher.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:45 pmobamagr8, So you are happy with Bush and hope for McCain? Why?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:46 pmTripleKick 7 Says:
Flagged. Endorsing Obama is not allowed at TP.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
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Flagged. Endorsing Obama is not allowed at TP. You wrote the word “Obama” in your post, which by Conserva-Logic is an endorsement.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:49 pmThis from the idiot who thinks cars don’t need tune-ups because they have fuel injectors instead of carburetors. Not that he understood they had injectors he thought they just had nothing. Spark plugs and wires, look it up TK.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pmThe real question is why didnt the GOP and McCain push for more drilling back in 1994-2006? Sitting on their hands while prices rose dramatically is hardly efficient or forward looking.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pmobamagr8 Says:
I usually don’t do “retarded”, but let me try:
He’s against it, but willing to allow for drilling IF other criteria are met (ending tax breaks, forcing drilling in leased land which sits unused, etc.)
You look up the rest, I also don’t do children’s homework for them either, moron.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:51 pmpobamagran8 Says:
DieNowForPeace, is Obama for or against offshore drilling? He’s been on both sides of the issue in recent days.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:47 pm
Should the Congress pass and the President sign legislation which, while opening ANWR and off-shore resource fields to exploitation, would require the prior exploitation all already existing leases, and required the products of such exploration whenever it thereafter ensued be designated for the exclusive use of US Consumers?
I know the diction is dense, the sentence structure is complex, and there’s a lot of big words, but try…
August 5th, 2008 at 4:53 pmprobably yes or no would suffice.
but you may explain if you like…
obamagr8, He’s willing to compromise on a bill that would allow for more (but still limited) offshore drilling if the bill also contains more meaningful provisions for future energy independence. I know Bush got some people to thinkin’ nuance is bad, but it’s not, really. See if you can do it.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:53 pmReally, TK is just trolling and not actually trying to discuss anything. Time to flag him out again.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:53 pmObama just sounds like more of an elitist idiot when he tells us to go tune up our cars. His energy plan needs a tune up -Triplethick
Well, 3thick7, look at the Bush energy site, it says the same ‘elitist ignorant’ thing. http://www.fueleconomy.gov/feg/maintain.shtml
Your Google skills are failing you Dupe Skyfawker.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:53 pmLittle Freep Goofballs Says:
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Zooey Says:
These trolls came in on the short bus…
With under-inflated tires. :)
August 5th, 2008 at 4:29 pm
Yer funny. :D
August 5th, 2008 at 4:54 pmMy god you trolls are obtuse.
We are drilling offshore RIGHT NOW.
What Obama opposes is the opening of protected areas for drilling, especially when oil companies sit on 68 million acres of unexplored leases.
Obama recently signaled that he would be willing to compromise in some form, if the details of the plan helped the nation. Why you clowns think that’s “flip-flopping” when your candidate has said he doesn’t support a bill he wrote is beyond me.
August 5th, 2008 at 4:56 pmWTF just happened?
Did TP’s appearance just go all flooey for a minute for anyone else?
August 5th, 2008 at 4:59 pmWhats funny about all the ANWR talk is there is a huge Naval reserve right next to ANWR, yet the pundits dont talk about drilling in a place that is actually an oil, not wildlife, reserve.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:00 pmYes Ralph, it did.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:00 pm97.
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Yep. It’s back now.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:00 pmThank you, Obama, for responding to these liars & deceivers. It’s time to nail them for the garbage they keep spewing. Republicans prove over & over that they are not interested in the least in conserving oil, they are only interested in pandering to big oil companies, and occupying countries that produce oil, while ignoring countries without oil. Republicans & many of their big supporters are either obscenely rich oil merchants, or lobbyists for oil, or are getting funding from these greedy oil merchants by pandering to them (i.e. McCain).
August 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pmUpdate Sen. Barack Obama responds: “Now two points, one, they know they’re lying about what my energy plan is, but the other thing is they’re making fun of a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent. It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
w00t !!!
oh man, you are gonna pay for that one!
so great though!
August 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pmAnd, of course, now that saving fuel is more
August 5th, 2008 at 5:01 pmimportant than ever, and properly inflating
tires can help do that, what have the oil
companies done? Why, of course, eliminated
air hoses at most stations, or installed
vending machines that dispense air for your
tires (at 75 cents a pop—in the rare circumstances where they work). In other words, the oil companies have actually made it harder (or at least more expensive) to save money by properly inflating your tires. Gee, what a surprise!
Right. Like I said. We ARE drilling offshore.
Obama has said nothing about stopping offshore drilling. He is against expanding that drilling to areas currently protected.
If you’re not being obtuse, then you’re being dishonest.
Which is it?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:03 pmCurrently, oil companies can drill in certain offshore properties but not the Outer Continental Shelf. -O8r
Lets see who put a moratorium on that..George Bush!
http://www.spokesmanreview.com/news-story.asp?date=053002&ID=s1156519
Jeb Bush and Interior Secretary Gale Norton told reporters after a brief meeting with the president [Bush] that the actions will help preserve the Florida Panhandle’s pristine coastline.
“It just didn’t seem right that 25 miles off that coast there would be the possibility of drilling, and today that possibility no longer exists,” Bush said.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pmLately I’ve been, enjoying a tar-free U.S. coast for the first time in decades thanks to the LACK of offshore rigs.
Anybody else remember the “tar removal” stations of the 70’s and 80’s?
Notice how they disappeared about 10 years after the rigs were gone?
Yet another topic the MSM continues to ignore.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pmSen. Barack Obama responds: “Now two points, one, they know they’re lying about what my energy plan is, but the other thing is they’re making fun of a step that every expert says would absolutely reduce our oil consumption by 3 to 4 percent. It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
It’s not (necessarily) about ignorance. Conservation is an effective strategy because every bit of energy saved goes directly against the bottom line. The only problem is, it doesn’t make anyone any richer.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pmWhenever McLame says anything, I always throw up a little in my mouth
August 5th, 2008 at 5:04 pmIt was cute how Tanq woke up just enough to grumble a little and then dozed back off again.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:05 pmThe right-wing Gomers who trust Big Oil & its GOP stooges — when they look in the mirror, do they see big lollipops with the word “SUCKER” printed on the wrapper?
What maroons.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pmCommodity prices are dropping. Oil closed at $119/barrel today. In the last two weeks oil dropped about $15.00/barrel and that is WITHOUT a gasoline tax holiday and WITHOUT further drilling. Why is it that John McCain is always behind the times? He just can’t keep up with the present.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pmXisithrus Says:
The real question is why didnt the GOP and McCain push for more drilling back in 1994-2006? Sitting on their hands while prices rose dramatically is hardly efficient or forward looking.
Great question. It needs to be repeated every time they try to blame those “obstructionist Democrats”.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pmWell, whaddya know, Bush stopped drilling off Florida in 2002 to help Jeb get elected. Now, 6 years later, Flip Flop Waffle Waffle
August 5th, 2008 at 5:06 pmSee previous post as to who obstructed what. =)
August 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pm(ralph chuckles at his computer)
August 5th, 2008 at 5:08 pmThe Congressional ban on drilling expires on Sept 30, 2008. We’ll see what Congress decides to do about the issue in a few weeks. -O8r
That makes all these political theatrics all the much sillier.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:09 pmANWR passed the Senate with a majority three times but a minority of Senate Democrats killed it with a filibuster. Take it up with John Kerry. -O8r
It wouldnt have lowered the price of fuel today, take it up with Jeb and George.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:10 pmThen Why the Commercials?
One of the manufacturers Chrysler, Ford, or GM is currently running commercials bragging that all of their new models will feature electronic tire pressure gauges so that you always have to proper tire pressure and don’t waste any gas because of under inflated tires. I heard that commercial on the radio just yesterday. Are the car companies also misguided to do this?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:10 pmThe Congressional ban on drilling expires on Sept 30, 2008.
You mean the “ban” that the oil industry supported, cause oil from the mid-east was cheaper to buy than it was to drill and pump our own. Now that the price is sky high, it has become “desirable” (read PROFITABLE) to drill domestically.
Just ask any Texan who’s witnessed the rise, fall, and recent rise of the local “oil industry”.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:11 pmAs anyone who rides a bicycle knows, keeping tires inflated properly decreases rolling resistance and requires less effort to propel the bike.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:15 pmIt’s something everybody can do right now. It doesn’t take years to see the results and properly inflated tires last longer and perform better.
Nobody said this would solve all of our energy problems but it gets people involved in taking some control over the situation.
It’s almost like the oil companies inflated the price of gas to give a campaign issue to the Republicans. I know Reagan and both Bush Presidents have deregulated almost everything but wouldn’t PRICE FIXING still be illegal especially if it was done to “FIX” and election.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:16 pmI dont think so, its a selling feature and you dont have to physically get out of the vehicle and check pressures. The cost of such a system is relatively cheap. It would increase the cars value more than the system actually cost.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:18 pmAre you really this stupid. WE don’t want drilling in ANWR and we knew we’d be better of with John Kerry as President. Why don’t you either try to keep up or STFU.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:18 pmHey if the price is dropping, then we don’t need to inflate our tires right?
clearly a GOPuke vixctory
August 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pm126. Shayne Says:
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Look for some more mickey-mouse price reductions at the pump from now until November.
After the election, hell is out for noon.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:20 pmIt’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.
It’s not like they are. They actually are. It’s an easy-to-confirm fact. Just read any of the posts by any of the trolls in this thread.
They are stupid, bigoted, ignorant, and proud of it. They are also proud of their inability to remember, and learn anything beyond the GOP talking points.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:21 pmDieNowForPeace Says:
Lately I’ve been, enjoying a tar-free U.S. coast for the first time in decades thanks to the LACK of offshore rigs.
You can visit Galveston if you miss those lil black balls of goo sticking to your feet and anything else that touches them =)
August 5th, 2008 at 5:22 pmHello, ANWR doesnt have enough oil to make us undeoendent on foreign oil.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:22 pmUnreal. The troll offers statistics and draws a conclusion from them.
belac takes those same statistics, anlyzes them further, and comes up with a sound conclusion.
The troll then disputes the conclusion that belac reached, using the statistics the troll provided.
Unreal.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pmAlso, not only do many new cars tell you what your tire pressure is in each of the four tires, ONSTAR emails you when tire pressure is low. That’s how insignificant they feel tire pressure is. In addition, many new cars also tell you what mileage you’re getting per gallon so you can tell when your fuel efficiency is off.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:23 pmTriplestupid must be the oil expert formerly known as Jim Wilke.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:25 pmNo shit. Nobody said that it was the “end-all be-all of energy solutions”.
Nobody except trolls and GOP operatives trying to ridicule Obama because they got nothing else, that is.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:25 pmYou can visit Galveston if you miss those lil black balls of goo sticking to your feet and anything else that touches them =)
Yuk, no thanks! That’s why my wife makes us go to Florida.
The only reason Galveston and the surrounding areas are still afflicted by the “tar” is the oil industry in the bay of Houston. The rest of the Gulf is damn clean.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:26 pmI disagree. Jim Wilke is silly, but rather benign.
TL is malignant.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pmA lot longer with McSame’s plan than with Obama’s.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:27 pmA. No car can adjust tire pressures on fly.
WRONG AGAIN, STUPIDSHIT!
The Hummer H1 has “on-the-fly” tire pressure adjustment, and no, I don’t expect you to see the irony in a Hummer and properly inflated tire pressure.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pmWe got it now, drilling for oil (or holding leases and not drilling as the oil companies do now) is a good idea towards independence but conserving gas by any measures available is a stupid idea. Right? Now, why don’t you go Cheney yourself.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:28 pmThat’s a big, faulty assumption.
Really? I think this faulty assumption is much more accurate:
The Republicans are going to fix it all!
August 5th, 2008 at 5:30 pm30 JMOHR – right on target. Can I add a friendly amendment that we get the McCain anti-Obama tire gauges (as overstock, not at the ridiculous price) and then give THEM out as a reminder that Obama was Right, McCain was wrong, McCain mocked the right idea, and then, if history holds true, McCain turned around to say that the idea was his ?
After all, who doesn’t hate the coworker who unfairly takes credit for every good idea ????
August 5th, 2008 at 5:31 pmhttp://www.transcanada.com/keystone/index.html
The original Keystone pipeline is due to be in service by the end of 2009. Construction of the Keystone XL facilities is anticipated to commence in 2010 following the receipt of the necessary regulatory approvals, with an in-service target date in the 4Q of 2011. As a result, the majority of the US$7.0 billion in additional capital investment required to expand Keystone to the US Gulf Coast is expected to be made between 2010 and 2012.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pmSeriously folks. We’ve already established that NASCAR didn’t know what they were talking about when they said correct tire pressure saved gas.
So really, what does the auto industry know about cars ? Do you think Ford or GM even know how many tires a car has ?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:32 pmGiven some of the breakthroughs I have seen in fuel-cell technology I would say about 10 years.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:39 pmI see the trolls are still convinced that if we cut gas consumption the terrorists win. I am constantly amazed that such idiots can remember to breath.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:42 pm“It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
BINGO!
August 5th, 2008 at 5:43 pmOops! “breathe”. I luv spellchecker.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:43 pmWingnuts are a terrorists best friend, that’s why they don’t want us to conserve, cuz then their towel-headed best-buddies wont be able to buy a new Mercedes for their 11th born son…
August 5th, 2008 at 5:45 pmobamagr8 Says:
Given our level of imports and our level of consumption, how long will it take before alternative energy can provide us enough power to make us independent?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:25 pm
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Never. Neither will offshore drilling. We’re going to need to reduce our level of consumption as we transition to alternative energy sources. However, for as long as we drive cars that run on fossil fuels, we’re going to be importing oil. A realistic solution has to involve reducing consumption.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:47 pmUmmm, the Hummer H1 was a military vehicle, not a car – and it is no longer sold to the public.
Okay, so this is stupid… but the H2 also has a central inflation system allowing on the fly adjustment.
And it is still sold to the public, the public just won’t buy it ’cause it’s a beast that approaches 0 mpg…
I believe the Porsche Cayenne special edition also has this capability… but with a weak dollar its US sales are approaching those of the H2.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:52 pmThis sounds like a Dean scream. Is McCain losing it?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:53 pmObama opposes offshore drilling, ANWR and nuclear power.
I don’t see how we bridge the gap until alternative sources come on line.
You do know that all these things will take around 10 years to come on line don’t you?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:55 pmPorche/Audi, Mercedes, BMW, Jaguar and many others offer active tire management or have it under development. Unfortunately, they’ve been pouring new technology into 5,000 dinosaurs. Smaller, lighter, slower, cheaper cars are the new paradigm. Antone to stupid to realize that is a spoiled little b!tch who uses their big truck to make up for small genitalia.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:57 pmAre you really this dense?
Obama doesn’t oppose “offshore drilling”. He opposes expanding into currently protected areas. Especially when so many leases are currently unexplored. Do you not see a difference?
Moreover, each of the options you mention will take at least a decade to come online. How do you envision any of them “bridging the gap” until alternative sources come online?
August 5th, 2008 at 5:57 pmThey take GREAT pride in being VERY ignorant. That’s what conservatives think “freedom” means. Really.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:58 pmObama opposes offshore drilling, ANWR and nuclear power.
Did you know there is a huge Naval reserve with proven amounts of oil right next to ANWR? This ANWR thing is a political football. Its doesnt have much oil. We can get more oil from the Brakken shale and the Canadian oil sands.
There are many types of nuclear power, be more specific.
Offshore drilling is expensive and doesnt produce much oil as compared to onshore drilling.
August 5th, 2008 at 5:58 pmbelac, it’s also stupid because the troll is wrong:
The Hummer H1 is a civilian off-road vehicle based on the M998 High Mobility Multipurpose Wheeled Vehicle (HMMWV, or Humvee), which was created by AM General. The vehicle was produced from 1992 through 2006, and was the first of what became the Hummer line
August 5th, 2008 at 6:01 pm“It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
Why yes they do O. Conservative behavior reflects it in the disdain for science, intellectuals, critical thinking, liberals etc. Ignorance is sign of the family values of Middle America. Ignorance is the sign of being the common man and not an elitist. Being outright stupid is fun as hell. I mean WTF else do ordinary Americans find Professional Wrestling and dumbass cartoon characters so interesting and hilarious.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:02 pmRalph~
August 5th, 2008 at 6:06 pmSadly, most of the arguments I’ve gotten into with O-8 are stupid… I think that his win/loss ratio is also out of date, isn’t he approaching 0-48 by now?
Nice try, 0-8.
All your spinning is doing, is making you dizzy.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:14 pmI can’t help but notice McCain keeps saying “When I”M president of the United States”.
Bit of a presumptuous and entitled attitude if you ask me.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:15 pmThe Army “Duck” of World War II, a wheeled amphibious vehicle, had a central tire inflation system. CTIS has been on the Hummer H1 since its inception. GM had it as an option on the CUCV Blazers and pickups at GM/MVO as early as 1984.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:15 pmoops… citation for above @ 171
August 5th, 2008 at 6:17 pmhttp://www.allpar.com/model/ram/power-wagon.html
Well, the Hummer system was not designed with fuel mileage in mind but creating a larger ‘footprint’ for more traction in loose soil by lowering the air pressure in the tires and refilling them when back on harder surfaces.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:19 pmAre you telling us O-8, that we can’t count on technology from WWII that was adapted for commercial use as early as 1984 being installed on current cars anytime in the near future?
August 5th, 2008 at 6:22 pmBut, But, But the son of an admiral (who is also the son of an admiral) is not supposed to know about such mundane things such as filling up the tank or checking tire pressures. Tasks like that are reserved for the ‘little people’ while the elite are out and about making decisions, attending meetings and impressing anyone gullible enough to believe their bullshit.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:26 pmWrong.
The Hummer H1 was a civilian vehicle, available as recently as 2006. Here’s a list of Hummer H1 vehicles available on ebay.
Your original claim was:
No car can adjust tire pressures on fly. What they have is onboard pressure sensors that allow you to monitor pressure and alert you when you have a low tire. I’ve had this on my car since ‘04.
No qualifiers there — no “commercial vehicles”, no “currently produced”.
You said No car can adjust tire pressures on fly.
belac proved you wrong. Now man up and admit it.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:28 pmit will solve the energy crisis.
Again, this is your nonsense- not Obama’s.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:34 pmTire’s inflated to optimum pressure is a good first step to reduce consumption… not a ‘magic’ solution. The only people who believe in a fairy fixing this are the ‘drill her, drill now’ folks like yourself…
“Doesn’t count as a car”… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
…no seriously… BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
0-8: pwned.
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
August 5th, 2008 at 6:34 pmThis is why discussing with trolls is a huge waste of time. Better just to FLAG them rather than wasting time.
That being said, O P 8, your candidate is the dumb one maybe you should tell him what to do since he needs more help. Maybe you can tell him where the next topless beauty pageant is so he can submit Cindy in time so she can actually compete. All class you neothugs, all class.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:38 pmI hope OPII ATE is paid by the post because being so stupid for free would really be pathetic.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:40 pmO8r, we will not, for economic reasons, become non-dependent on foreign oil no matter what the politicians say publicly.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:41 pmA civilian version of an 8,000 pound military vehicle isn’t a car.
Tell that to C.A.F.E., they don’t even rate SUV’s as trucks, but you couldn’t possibly know that…
August 5th, 2008 at 6:42 pmPsst OGreat, the pressure sensor inflates the tires while the car is at rest….
Goddamn, you’re dumb. That was in Popular Science magazine in the freakin fifties…
August 5th, 2008 at 6:47 pmobamagr8 Says:
ralph: A civilian version of an 8,000 pound military vehicle isn’t a car.
Your claim was that the H1 was a military vehicle not available to civilians, and you’ve been proven wrong. Just look it up. At least have the guts to admit you’re wrong, instead of trying to deflect the discussion to whether or not it’s a “car.”
August 5th, 2008 at 6:48 pmHmm, gotta wonder why I see shitloads of them up and down teh I-5 and I-405 corridors????? Not necessarily H-1s, but the beasty big H*s…
August 5th, 2008 at 6:48 pmThanks, gum. I’m still trying to catch my breath after laughing so hard at the troll.
“Not a car”…. hehehehehe….
August 5th, 2008 at 6:50 pmobamagr8 Says:
Why does this matter? The H-1 was sold in miniscule numbers when it was produced and hasn’t been available for several years.
Jesus.
Despite the nit-picking, my point stands.
Man up and admit you were wrong on several points, instead of accusing others of nit-picking.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:51 pmobamagr8, So you dislike Bush. What do you think of McCain?
August 5th, 2008 at 6:51 pmDo you think a troll name has to be banned before they move on to another?
Or can an incident like this embarrass them so much that they just abandon an ID as damaged goods?
…”not a car”… heeheeheehee…
August 5th, 2008 at 6:51 pmDespite the nit-picking, my point stands.
What was your point?
August 5th, 2008 at 6:52 pmYou may say that your point of view stands but we will decide if you have made a valid point or not…..so far, not so much.
You seem to be a little addled. Is tire pressure the only thing you are capable of commenting on?
August 5th, 2008 at 6:53 pmIf I recall correctly, his point was No car can adjust tire pressures on fly.
Not sure how he figures it’s still standing.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:54 pmObama may, McCain doesnt seem to understand the debt based system, to me.
August 5th, 2008 at 6:56 pmOn board tire management is not going to solve the energy crisis, not now, not tomorrow or any time soon.
Okay… when did anyone claim it would?
August 5th, 2008 at 6:56 pmYou distintly said “none”
gonna be a man or just continue to cry?
August 5th, 2008 at 6:59 pmNow the dittohead is talking to himself. Dumber than a box of rocks this one.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:01 pmOh. Okay. So when you said, “No car can adjust tire pressures on fly” you were actually saying that “No car can adjust tire pressures on fly, although some trucks may be able to, but they haven’t been available for several (two) years and were not that popular to begin with so they don’t count”.
Do I have that about right?
And you STILL haven’t even acknowledged that the H1 was a commercially-producing vehicle based on a military vehicle. It was NOT a military vehicle.
You have been so pwned. It might actually make you feel better to admit it, you know.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:02 pmOPI ATE, you want some cheese with that whine? My preteen daughter can man up faster than you can. What a wuss.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:02 pmLet me tell you one thine OPI, I own an auto repair garage. If you can find one garage or one oil change place that won’t check your tire pressure and give you free air I’ll show you an idiot who will go out of business soon. Why don’t you just STFU when you don’t know what you’re talking about.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:04 pmCareful Fred. Better make him define “car” before you get started. In fact, get him to define all his terms.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:05 pmReally Opi, if you admit you have a problem you’re one step closer to being cured.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:05 pmralph, ralph, ralph! This is the second time today I spit on my keyboard because of you.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:07 pmralph the wonder llama Says:
belac Says:
Despite the nit-picking, my point stands.
What was your point?
If I recall correctly, his point was No car can adjust tire pressures on fly.
Actually, I think his point was “McCain good, Obama bad, me libertarian.”
August 5th, 2008 at 7:08 pmobamagr8 Says:
Tell it to the IRS; they classified the Hummer H-1 as a light truck under Section 179.
Why would they do that for a military vehicle? Sounds like they thought it was a civilian vehicle.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:09 pmU R sad. I’m texting you because you’re acting like such a little girl.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:09 pmOpi, why don’t you take your ball, if you can find one, and go home. M’kay princess?
August 5th, 2008 at 7:11 pmThat’s not a pin you’re playing with, Princess.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:13 pmNo Ralph, I still want to know if he is capable of discussing anything else. Is this how the troll derails the thread, by harping on and on endlessly about which way the wind is blowing?
How about commenting on why you are the only one who thinks mccain is right. Everyone else seems to think he is grasping at staws, much as you seem to be doing?
August 5th, 2008 at 7:13 pmobamagr8 Says:
Dancing on the head of a pin.
In your case, a pinhead dancing.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:13 pmobamagr8, Do you think Johnny’s gonna get Cindy to flash the bikers?
August 5th, 2008 at 7:16 pmHussein McCain Says:
“obamagr8, Do you think Johnny’s gonna get Cindy to flash the bikers?”
Why not, he’ll whore himself out for a vote, why not make it a family affair?
August 5th, 2008 at 7:18 pmMaybe Johnny’ll do the Red Hot Chili Peppers tube sock thing.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:18 pmOPI ATE,
You can beat a dead horse but you can’t make it run. You do remind me of Jake, may he rest in peace, though.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:22 pm“We could save all the oil that they’re talking about getting off drilling if everybody was just inflating their tires and getting regular tune-ups. You could save just as much.”
See #33 to see how Themis proved Obama right…
August 5th, 2008 at 7:26 pmBut they are right and you haven’t made a valid point yet. Please try to stick to facts and you will probably not have the same problem you have faced on this thread.
The bigger picture seems to evade you completly. You seem obsessed with encapsulating Obama’s energy policy into one statement made off they cuff.
You are beginning to sound a lot like: Obama bad/mccain good
but you don’t seem to be able to connect any of the dots.
Try expanding your reading a little away from the daily memo’s. Even if you don’t change which side you support, at least it might add to your credibility if you knew what you were talking about.
When you act like a crybaby and stick to no…mine..I don’t want to….you can’t make me….well you surely understand why no one is taking you seriously, right.
please try a little harder, we are all very interested in what you as a person think, not the talking points thing.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:28 pmSorry ’bout the keyboard, Shayne. But you got me back with this one.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:31 pmUh — they’re not “cars”, right?
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
pwned. Totally pwned.
BWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!
August 5th, 2008 at 7:37 pmO-8, one more time; that’s the AVERAGE savings using the government estimates…
August 5th, 2008 at 7:40 pmJust like the ‘oil’ we might get from all those other sources is an estimate.
There is no “Democrat Party”.
Unless of course, you also refer to the “Republic Party”…
And what are McSame’s “short term answers”?
Drilling in ANWAR? Drilling the OCS? Neither of these qualifies as a “short term answer”.
You mean… the oil companies don’t know what lands they have under lease? They need Obama to tell them? Sheesh. How do they even put their pants on in the morning?
What a maroon…
August 5th, 2008 at 7:44 pmWe need short term answers
August 5th, 2008 at 7:46 pmHence the practical advice to check your tire pressure… What part of this do you not understand?
…and the straight-talk express veers off course again, this time on flat tires, Slappy McBush3rdterm smiling all the way.
August 5th, 2008 at 7:53 pmobamagr8 Says:
He’s in favor of oil companies developing “the 68 million acres already under lease” – but hasn’t given any kind of list or identified any of these lands.
On the other hand, he is advocating investing $150 billion in alternative energy without giving much in the way of specifics. How is this money going to be divided, how much for solar or wind? Where is the money going to come from?
I guess the troll can’t see the irony of a chimpy leghumper being concerned about how Obama would apportion resources.
Where was your concern, when Bush was piling up debt to the heavens?
You sure were nowhere to be seen for the last seven years.
Strange, that when you guys are about to be sent to the political wilderness, you suddenly appear, all concerned about tax dollars.
Give me a freakin’ break.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:34 pmWell we could turn the damn lights off when not needed, unplug the vampire electronics, and stop leaving the tv on for the cat…
August 5th, 2008 at 8:54 pmY’know, those of us who still humor you would find it helpful if you’d think to include links to passages you’re cut-and-pasting. That way we can see if you’re quoting a legitimate news source or not, and whether you’re including full context, which you have a habit of not doing.
Now, when has Obama proposed such a goal of “increasing the use of electric cars”? Or is this another wrinkle you’ve pulled from your nether regions? The closest thing i can find on The Google is a proposal to add 1 million Hybrid electric cars to the nation’s highways. Nothing about straight electric cars.
And besides, it’s conceivable that we can cut 15% of our electricity use with increased efficiency in technology and making it a national priority. Solar collectors would help make homes energy self-sufficient and while not using less energy, strictly speaking, would save the conversion of more costly and/or damaging fuels to electricity.
But really, you don’t deserve to be taken seriously by anybody until you man up on the numerous falsehoods and stupid things you tried to pass off as right-wing wisdom this afternoon.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:00 pmOuch Opi, you just got spanked.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:42 pmWe’ll tell you when you tell us how McCain is going to balance the budget while waging a 100 year war in Iraq and absolutely never raising any taxes. You go first.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:45 pmTo get away from the troll hockey, Obama’s plan is multipronged – not JUST a tire gauge.
Are we willing to put all cards on the table ? Are we willing to reexamine mass transit ? Are we willing to have cars smaller than Hummers ? Are we willing to change our ownership pattern of cars – one model would be small electric cars for in-town use/commutes of 1 or 2 folks and pools of larger cars for when needed ?
August 5th, 2008 at 9:46 pmUh… need I point out the obvious?
Hybrid cars do not depend 100% on the electric grid to generate the electricity they need.
And consumption of electricity can still be lowered -even with an increased number of hybrid cars, plug-in or not- if businesses started turning their bloody lights off at night, when there is nobody on the premises.
As for the average American home, we consume so much electricity with those handy-dandy gadgets that need to be plugged-in at all times (think of all the devices that you can turn on with a remote control. Or the alarm clocks. Or the clock in the microwave oven. Or… you get the idea)
It’s like the troll has never set foot in a house or a commercial/business building. Simply amazing.
And yes, I also find it amazing that the troll should be all concerned now with Obama’s savings proposal, when he has no problem with Bush’s pet war in the Middle East -that sink hole that is swallowing billions of dollars a year…
August 5th, 2008 at 9:56 pmAs Shayne already said: obamagr8, you don’t know what you are talking about. You’ve been smacked up and down the thread. Anyone with just a bit more self-awareness would have apologised for being so obtuse and left a long time ago.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:03 pmHR6251?
August 5th, 2008 at 10:20 pmI think the point was to stop using power like spoiled children too lazy and stupid to recognize the collective power of simple conservation
August 5th, 2008 at 10:28 pmSo we are to believe that HR6251 references fantasy because a cyber nobody wants it to be so?
August 5th, 2008 at 10:29 pmI think they might be 60 miles from Florida. Damn that Chinese drilling….
August 5th, 2008 at 10:35 pmIn a small neighborhood in Wisconsin, behind the grade school.
Jeezus, you’re stupid. Even for a troll.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:39 pmAh geez the stupid anole eyes word. TP get over it
“An Associated Press computer “a knoll e sis” of Bureau of Land Management records found that 80 percent of federal lands leased for oil and gas production in Wyoming are producing no oil or gas. Neither are 83 percent of the leased acres in Montana, 77 percent in Utah, 71 percent in Colorado, 36 percent in New Mexico and 99 percent in Nevada.”
August 5th, 2008 at 10:40 pmralph do you mind handling this? It looks pretty simple. I just have a bit of a tummy ache and my kids and I have a big day planned tomorrow. Thanks…
August 5th, 2008 at 10:45 pmNo problem, db. You take it easy.
I’m just scrimmaging without pads with ‘im anyways…
August 5th, 2008 at 10:51 pmralph, talking to Opi is like talking to a two year old. Why, why, why, I want it, why, why, why.
August 5th, 2008 at 11:41 pmGeorge Samsa, apply a bit of rational thought.[...] Unplugging your clocks will save that much?
~obamagr8
First, that’d be Gregor, for you.
Second, don’t talk to me about rational thought. If there is something that you Bush cultists absolutely lack is both rational and thought.
Third, it is a well known fact that appliances “leak” electricity. And no, it is not just the clocks. Did you read what I wrote? I said “all those devices you can turn on with a remote control”.
Here, for the benefit of other posters, since it’s obvious you are a lost case:
According to America’s Department of Energy, national residential electricity consumption in 2004 was 1.29 billion megawatt hours (MWh)-5% of which is 64m MWh. The wasted energy, in other words, is equivalent to the output of 18 typical power stations.
Standby Power
A lot of that energy could be saved if we all actually turned our appliances off.
Fourth, do you really doubt that oil companies are sitting on unexplored federal land leases? Do you really need to be fed, hand-to-mouth, this information?
Oh, what am I asking? Of course you do. Here is the link to the Bureau of Land Management: BLM – Oil And Gas. Click on the “Interactive Lease Map” link. That should get you started. Assuming you can muster enough brain power, that is.
See, I told you not to talk to me about thought, or rational.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:17 amDon’t even try to get the higher ground here, obamagr8. You’ve been proven wrong time and again, it’s embarrassing.
“Getting your tires at the right pressure won’t help. Oh wait, it will. The Hummer is a military vehicle. Oh wait, it’s civilian. No wait, it’s a car. Oh wait, it’s not”
LOL
August 6th, 2008 at 1:22 am.
McLame complains that Congress went on vacation… “Tell ‘em to get to work!” All the while failing to recognize that he is a member of that Congress he chides.
Well Johnny McHypocrite had better get to work!
.
August 6th, 2008 at 2:20 am.
Q U E S T I O N:
Even if the “off shore drilling” and ANWR were to be tapped, we wouldn’t see that resource hit the pumps for 7-10 years…
… WHAT WILL BE THE PRICE OF GAS THEN?
… HOW WILL THIS PRICE OF GAS AFFECT THE COST OF LIVING?
… THE PRICE OF BREAD… VEGETABLES… FRUITS?
.
August 6th, 2008 at 2:23 amWith Bush it was the Rightwing evangelicals.
After McCain offering up his wife into a sexual contest for Buffalo chip Queen. The Right evangicals must really be proud to vote for John. Like his Pastor Hagee and his flock.
Can’t the press go and ask hagee what he thinks of John offering his wife into Satans sex shows at sturgis?
With McCain, it is going to be the “Harley crowd for Nuclear power plants” ? A constituency never tapped before !
August 6th, 2008 at 3:42 am“It’s like these guys take pride in being ignorant.”
That was awesome! Obama could be the first president to win the election for fact checking the opposition instead of just countering with more crap.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:27 pmI never makes any sense to me how everyone screams that we need to do something. If something drastic is done, people get up in arms. If nothing is done, people get up in arms. If people suggest something simple such as “make sure your car is running primo” people get all bent out of shape. This ideology isn’t just exclusive to Republicans, I know plenty of people who are are for Obama that think this idea isn’t a solution. It would seem personal accountability is out the window. After look at all the numbers and theoretical savings I could have I’m gonna make sure I switch the circuit breaker off my house when I go out. Things add up after a while, I guess everyone just wants government to just handle everything without us doing a damn thing..
August 7th, 2008 at 12:02 pmAnn Coulter says that if the answer to high gas prices is to inflate you tires, then the answer to high health care costs is to eat an apple.
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Speaking of Barack Obama: BARACK OBAMA IS AN EXCELLENT PRESIDENT!
Obama is a racial-minority individual and does not like racism:
I know it may be hard to believe.
However, it is absolutely true that Ronald Wilson Reagan committed horrible, racist, hate crimes during his presidency.
A lot of people know about Reagan’s infamy.
And a lot of people will know about Reagan’s infamy–even until the end of human existence: they’ll find out.
Numbers 32:23: “Be sure your sins will find you out.”
Respectfully Submitted by Andrew Yu-Jen Wang, J.D. Candidate
B.S., With the Highest Level of Academic Honors at Graduation, 1996
Messiah College, Grantham, PA
Lower Merion High School, Ardmore, PA, 1993
(I can type 90 words per minute, and there are thousands of copies on the Internet indicating the content of this post. And there are at least hundreds of copies in very many countries around the world.)
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