Pentagon: U.S. will still detain Hamdan even if he is acquitted.
Pentagon: U.S. will still detain Hamdan even if he is acquitted.
Yesterday, a military jury began deliberations in the trial of Salim Hamdan, Osama bin Laden’s former driver, on whether Hamdan conspired with al Qaeda in terrorist attacks. The trial is the first U.S. military commission since World War II. In a Pentagon press briefing today, spokesperson Geoff Morrell said the U.S. will detain Hamdan regardless of the verdict:
MORRELL: Even if he were acquitted of the charges that are before him, he would still be considered an enemy combatant and therefore would continue to be subject to continued detention. Of course, that said, he would also have the opportunity to go before the administrative review board and they could determine whether he is a suitable candidate for release or transfer.
But in the near term, at least, we would consider him an enemy combatant and still a danger and would likely still be detained for some period of time thereafter.
NPR’s John McChesney said Hamdan could remain behind bars at Guantanamo for an “indefinite time” after an acquittal. He added that “Hamdan will not get a single day” off his detention for the seven years that he has been held at Guantanamo.
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whats the point of court then?
know your enemy.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:04 pmOh. Okay. I guess that's why they resisted holding a trial for so long.
I mean, what's really the point? Y'know?
August 5th, 2008 at 8:04 pmShow trials.
It useta be the bad guys who did that.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:08 pmIt still is.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:13 pmBADGES? WE DON'T NEED NO STINKIN' BADGES
August 5th, 2008 at 8:21 pmI can't wait until boooosh is next to him awaiting his hnaging date.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:22 pmWhy does anyone think we still have a right to complain about other countries? The damage that Bushco has done to our justice system and world standing may prove a more heinous crime than the invasion of Iraq.
And I fear that innocent citizens of the United States, and "the West" will be paying the price, in blood, long after we're gone. I just hope our grand kids can reclaim the America which the neocons seem Hell-bent on destroying.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:29 pmDudes, he worked for obl. Come on. He would love to cut off your head while singing alla akbar. What, u wanna give him VIP treatment? Maybe reparatios and a Paris Hilton massage? No, let him rot. He made his choices.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:30 pm"I'll take STACKED JUDICIAL DECISIONS for $400, Alex"
Ding, ding, ding, ding....it's DOUBLE JEOPARDY!!!!
August 5th, 2008 at 8:32 pmDribleDick 8~ still Says: Nothing Much
August 5th, 2008 at 8:33 pmTripleKick 8 Says:
Dudes, he worked for obl.
And "obl" was in business with the Bushes, duuude.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:33 pmI suppose the only difference it will make is whether he is executed or left to rot in prison.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:35 pmTriplekick 8: Bah fongu et zig zig vous.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:37 pm"... a privilege that I in my own time have known the boldest people afraid to speak of in a whisper ...the privilege of filling up blank forms for the consignment of anyone to the oblivion of a prison for any length of time ..." - Mr. Lorry, from "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:38 pmWell, this specious "enemy combatant" baloney will be one of the designations to hit the trashbin, once Obama is elected.
The Bush administration: just making sh*t up, for eight years.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:39 pm“Justice denied anywhere diminishes justice everywhere.” Martin Luther King
August 5th, 2008 at 8:41 pmAugust, speak english k?
August 5th, 2008 at 8:41 pmProving once more to other countries that the U.S. is about equal to China when it comes to human rights.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:43 pmTripleKick 8 Says:
Dudes, he worked for obl. Come on. He would love to cut off your head while singing alla akbar. What, u wanna give him VIP treatment? Maybe reparatios and a Paris Hilton massage? No, let him rot. He made his choices.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:30 pm
I bet he'd also like to bankrupt a country by tricking it into starting an endless war, beginning with the invasion of a country that was no threat to America. Too bad we can't charge him with fraud, eh? It'd sure as hell be easier to prove.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:44 pmTribbleprick still doesn't get it. An official spokesman has announced that the government is going to ignore the law rather than admit the possibility of a mistake.
The country that I was raised to revere wouldn't do that. At the very least they would have been smart enough to just shoot the guy and bury him in an unmarked grave. But we aren't even that lucky.
Our government is so eager to show a tough exterior that they are willing to destroy all that's best about our society. Frankly, if we fall much further, we won't be worth saving.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:44 pmDribleDick 8~ Says:
August, speak english k?
Why? You have no ability to comprehend it.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:47 pmWe use to be the good guys. Now we are no different than the enemies of old. The Greedy Oil Party has done more than jack the price of oil from $20 per barrel to $140 per barrel. They have made us hated by the rest of the world and they are too ignorant and evil to know that is not good.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:49 pmso why even bother with the trials? if the individual is acquitted but still won't be released what is the point? No one seriously beliefs the "process" is fair. Just try and hold them forever (or until adults, who think about the consequences of idiotic and illegal actions, re-enter the WH) and be done with it. Seems enough taxpayer money has gone to this charade.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:54 pmFan of Man Says: "...know your enemy."
We do, Quite well, unfortunately! Our enemy is George WTF and the Reich-wing nuts.
The last time we heard of such a travesty this Country, literally, got up in arms and kicked the shit out of Adolf. It must be different for some now that the concentration camp is in Cuba instead of Germany and the detainees are Arabs instead of Jews but I fail to recognize any distinction between the two. Let us stand up and bomb GWTF's bunker and end his miserable rule.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:56 pmInnocent, until proven guilty.
But, on the off-chance you are acquitted, you'll be incarcerated indefinitely anyway.
What? Not an "unlawful alien enemy combatant"? The "Enemy Combatant" lable can be applied to anyone. Especially anyone who speaks out against the government.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:58 pm8. TripleKick 8 Says:
Dudes, he worked for obl. Come on.
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DrippyD!ck --
Even Goering got a real trial.
And OBL (and OBL's driver) is flea-dirt compared to that fat, bloated right-winger.
August 5th, 2008 at 8:59 pmkasinca Says:
They have made us hated by the rest of the world and they are too ignorant and evil to know that is not good.
They just pray to a different prophit.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:00 pmDribbleDick can not understand that even this alleged terrorist deserves his day in court. Innocent until proven guilty. Provide the evidence to prosicute and convict in a just manner.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:02 pmTo blatantly come out and say WE DONT GIVE A SHIT whether he is acquitted or not makes us no better than the other dictators and regimes we claim to want to DEMOCRATIZE.
This is NOT how are country should be run. We are a country based on LAWS and EQUALITY. The past 8 years have done more harm than goobers like DribbleD8 can even comprehend.
"Heads I win, tails you lose."
Between this, and the demand for "do-overs"....
Cheers,
August 5th, 2008 at 9:04 pmKangaroo courts. God Bless America.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:05 pmThis is NOT how OUR country
Fixed it
August 5th, 2008 at 9:06 pmThen it should be a slam dunk to convict him, no?
Yet the government affirms that, even if he is acquitted -- that means FOUND INNOCENT, he will likely not be freed.
So why bother with a trial in the first place?
August 5th, 2008 at 9:07 pmGuantanamo is a stain on our nation. It should be closed.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:17 pmI heard he also used to drive for Miss Daisy. If TripleKick thinks OBL's driver is bad news he should check out OBL's paperboy and cable guy. Those fellows are some bad mofos...
August 5th, 2008 at 9:19 pmWhat ever happened to innocent until proven guilty ? Now even if found innocent, he's still guilty.
Even more, a trial adjudicated by the same military folks who captured him, tortured him, and have a strong vested interest in finding him guilty in order to justify their actions. And if even this kangaroo court can't find him guilty, he's still in prison.
Yep, our brave boys are giving their lives to protect democracy. We are the shining light to the world.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:29 pmKnow it's off topic, but has anyone seen the Paris Hilton "campaign ad"? No, not that one...
See:
August 5th, 2008 at 9:32 pmhttp://www.political-buzz.com/
That's messed up. If the dude is found innocent of his charges then why can't he be set free? Hell, KSM said that dude wasn't fit enough to be an operative. If memory serves me correctly, he said that dude was primitive. Now, what's to stop America's adversaries from doing the same thing? I can't wait for this regime to end
August 5th, 2008 at 9:35 pmTripleKick 8 Says:
Dudes, he worked for obl. Come on. He would love to cut off your head while singing alla akbar. What, u wanna give him VIP treatment? Maybe reparatios and a Paris Hilton massage? No, let him rot. He made his choices.
"We hold these truths to be self-evident: That all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness..."
Triplekick you need to read the Declaration of Independence at least once. Because what you are saying is that people not born in the US are not endowed with certain unalienable rights? Okay, by your logic that makes our magical Creator better than their magical Creator, wow I guess we are lucky.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:38 pmI'm suprised Triplekick 8 can't read gobbledygook, that's all it writes!
Bravo Zulu, Bravo Xray
August 5th, 2008 at 9:39 pmTripleK: Does that mean that the drivers for Bush, Rumsfeld, Cheney, Gonzales, et al. should avoid international travel from now on? After all, they are knowingly driving people widely considered to be war criminals. Apparently that is enough to condemn them to a life in prison in your eyes.
Pete: I am with you 100%. I am so proud of the ideals embodied in the constitution but my pride in this country has been severely tarnished by the complete disdain this administration has shown for those ideals and the people. It will take great effort and time for us to regain the international respect we had at times before, if it is even possible. The worst part of all of this, however, is the complacency of the Congress and the people over the last 7.5 years. If people continue to accept the status quo through the next administration, I'm afraid we will never recover. We're sliding down the slippery slope and we've got lots of momentum.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:57 pmPoor Triplekick...he must be pooping in his pants thinking a driver for OBL could be free. Jeez, you guys really are scared about the world around you. What a woos.
BTW, why can't this administration bring Bush's business partner to justice? You know, the guy that alledgedly killed 3,000 Americans? Your priorities are screwed up, but then again, you obviously are a Republican cheerleader.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:06 pmSCfan2064 Says:
Now, what’s to stop America’s adversaries from doing the same thing? I can’t wait for this regime to end.
August 5th, 2008 at 9:35 pm
And that's the $64 million question. The fact is, people who are asked this can't answer it, yet they know the answer. If they do reveal their answer, then their argument for allowing the U.S. to do this goes out the window.
For some reason, with these nutjobs, being wrong is somehow a sign of weakness.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:08 pmWho needs to catch Bin Laden when we've got his driver? That means OBL is essentially immobilized, right?
I do wonder though, what it must be like to be so scared that you would rather trade in your rights than risk dying a free man.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:14 pmPeople like Triplethick who advocate this kind of treatment of anybody in this country are traitors and at any other time would be tried for their crimes. Fortunately Senator Obama taught constitutional law and so if anybody know what crimes these fascists have actually committed he does. It's a good thing Bush built all those secret prisons because all his supporters who encouraged cheered this behavior should BE TRIED for these offenses.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:18 pmAnother example of man's inhumanity to man.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:19 pmI hope when crimes against humanity are prosecuted the justice department knows how to back into all these trolls ISPs and nails them for their anti American activities.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:20 pmShayne:
August 5th, 2008 at 10:26 pmAs Pelosi has clearly shown, knowing the correct thing to do and doing it are 2 different things.
Conservatives in this country never hated totalitarian communists, they were just friggin jealous.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:44 pm48. j swift Says:
Conservatives in this country never hated totalitarian communists, they were just friggin jealous.
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They jes' luvs'em some totalitarians:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Volksgerichtshof
August 5th, 2008 at 10:50 pmWelcome to Soviet Amerika.
August 5th, 2008 at 10:58 pmAnd it's the sole authority of the CIC to declare a troll an enemy of the state, er, enemy combatant.
Watch your asses, trolls.
August 5th, 2008 at 11:06 pmWould that be Gestapo or Stalinist tactics?
we are staring history in the face and seeing what our country is really made up of. Brutal Fascists. period.
August 5th, 2008 at 11:19 pmWhen is, Australian, David Hicks going to come out with his story?
August 5th, 2008 at 11:27 pmThe gag order has expired, Howard got the boot ( so cheney can't strong arm their government any longer ) and it would certainly shed some light on the system of "justice" at gitmo.
I hope to hell he isn't waiting for some big money deal before he spills it.
People like him are still locked up and suffering.
He needs to tell his story to the press NOW, before these kangaroo courts have a chance to finish their miscarriage of justice.
Even if he were acquitted of the charges that are before him, he would still be considered an enemy combatant and therefore would continue to be subject to continued detention.
Locking people up on the whim of one man is a power even kings haven't possessed since the signing of the Magna Carta, demonstrating all too clearly just how far this country has fallen.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 5th, 2008 at 11:46 pmGlug, glug, gulag Guantanamo. That's the sound of freedom's forced feeding.
August 6th, 2008 at 12:03 amJohn Kerry Says:
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Beautiful!!
All terrorists should be beheaded!
What is a terrorist? Someone who kills people with no rhyme or reason? So, we can sharpen up the blade for Chenney and Shrub?
August 6th, 2008 at 12:10 amTrippy,
Why defend unamerican principles and values?
I mean, what kind of system of Government holds people indefinitely, even when they are not guilty? Since when is this defensible? Would you appreciate being treated this way... you know, 'The Golden Rule'?
I'm not defending the guy, I'M DEFENDING THE PROCESS!
You're defending the perversion of the process with no regard to what you wish upon yourself... like TORTURE, WARRANTLESS SURVEILLANCE, USURPATION OF THE CONSTITUTION...
Trippy,
WHY DO YOU DEFEND ANTI-AMERICAN PRINCIPLES?
WHY DO YOU HATE US FOR OUR FREEDOMS?
p.s.
Trippy,
What is a troll?
Why exemplify the troll...?
10 to 1 by the week end, you'll have to resort to Trippy10. I'm still Max-1. I can intellectually engage people on all sorts of blogs and manage to not get myself repeatedly banned. Why can't you?
August 6th, 2008 at 1:48 am.
When the molester in the family protests to not let his daughter return to school because she might tell authorities...
... THEN YOU KNOW HE IS GUILTY!
What kind of person would defend the molester in favor of not letting the child speak... but another molester or sympathiser of the molester... and most obviously someone who fails to hold the interests of the child to heart.
Trippy, that's YOU!
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August 6th, 2008 at 1:54 amPentagon + detaining acquitted detainees = Bush's United Snakes of Moronica.
August 6th, 2008 at 1:55 amIt won't be long before the entire judicial process will be viewed by whichever administration is in power as irrelevant for every day Americans. A mere accusation will be enough to land one in jail forever.
August 6th, 2008 at 6:07 amGuess if this happens then Gitmo will officially earned the title of Gulag.
August 6th, 2008 at 7:58 amAnd people in the US complain that China shouldn't have been given the Olympics because of this exact same BS!
August 6th, 2008 at 10:42 amThe one and ONLY reason they would hold him indefinitely is because he would spill the beans on the Administration's illegal behavior. Can't have Cheney or Bushwacked going to the slammer, can we?
August 6th, 2008 at 11:08 amYes...he's innocent. No...we'll keep him in jail. Yes...the system definitely is working, isn't it? Er...no, it's not. We're losing any semblance of what this country is supposed to stand for. If you are cleared of charges, you are supposed to be let go. Unless, of course, you implicate the muckety mucks in Washington who approved of these barbaric policies.
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