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They’re punishing the detainees because they won’t tell the captures what they want to know. If they “talked,” then they wouldn’t be “punished.”

I’m not a lawyer, and even I know this.

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“Both methods show political weakness, but one is born of political reality, while the other is a child of political perception.”

I want to believe that what you’re saying is true, but I just haven’t seen any reason to believe that they’re serious about any accountability. It seemed more to me that they took Impeachment off the table because they were afraid of what happened to the Republicans when they tried to impeach Clinton and it mostly back-fired.

The Democrats holding back does seem like a play for perception, to me. I hope that they’ll take their role more seriously when given the majority, but they need to do a little more to shore up my support and faith in them to do so. What have you seen/heard that leads you to believe that they plan on taking accountability seriously?

I keep being told not to worry… just look forward and ignore all of the corruption so that we can move ahead as a country, but I don’t think we can move forward as a nation without looking back and correcting all (or at least most) of this. They seem to be afraid of the perception that it would be simply to score political points and appear to have no regard for the actual rule of law that needs defending.

“These are mostly professional politicians, who know electoral reality.”

I don’t think they could really know the electoral effects of asserting accountability over this Administration because they haven’t even tried. What they’ve been doing hasn’t been working as you can see from the polls of approval of Congress. Yes, the Dems rank slightly better, but Pelosi was praising the 20% approval rating only because it’s better than the Republican’s, but it’s still so utterly pathetic. I believe that the country would be behind them once the facts were laid out for all to see, but they just won’t allow it to happen. They just keep letting outrage after outrage build up against the Republicans, but aren’t doing anything of substance about it. They are using it all for political points and don’t seem to be taking any of it seriously and this is what is hurting them.

You say that you think it would be worse if they tried and were ineffective, but I disagree. I think that they appear far weaker for not trying. If they did try, it would at least be obvious that the hold-up is with the Republicans which would give them far more ammo and the electorate far more reason to give them a solid majority.

I also consider myself a member of the reality-based legion, however, I do not see how doing the job that they were elected to do could be considered “pie in the sky”. If so, then why did they run on “pie in the sky” 2006?

As far as Fred and “lapdogs” go, the simple fact is that the Democratic controlled congress has given Bush things that he couldn’t get from Republicans (FISA telecom immunity etc.) It seems that the Republicans still have more control over what gets passed and that the Democrats are not even trying. It’s just been pathetic and I think that too many supporters are giving them the benefit of the doubt with nothing to base it on.

I’m going to vote Democratic, but I don’t see anything wrong with holding them accountable. What’s to stop them from getting too complacent, and not following through on anything, if we all just sit back and simply hope they do the right thing? I’m just not buying it.

Like how Neo-Cons ‘claimed’ there was a link between 9/11 and Saddam and the Iraq war went from ‘nightmare’ to ‘reality?’

It appears you and I alone have moved on to acceptance.

Strange bedfellows eh?

But “acceptance” doesn’t mean aquiessence. Never forgive, and never forget.

rocks911 Says:
barfly,

He’s in contempt of Congress.

There is actually a process involved here, outside of loathing the president he’s not in contempt, Rove is. There is a process that the Democrats refuse to apply and that only serves to subvert our coequal branches of government.

It has nothing to do with dubya, it has to do with the lack of follow through with oversight. The Democrtas dont deserve the position, and history will be unkind as it should be to these lap dogs.

There is a process and you don’t seem to understand how it works very well. It requires a supermajority to get anything done.

Another thing you say is:

It has nothing to do with dubya, it has to do with the lack of follow through with oversight.

What the heck do you mean by that? Of course it has everything to do with dubya.

Think of it like this, a white supremist is charged with killing a black man. His jury is all white and fellow klan members. Will he be convicted? No, justice does not always prevail.

We have to give up this anger and vendictiveness and the search for justice where none will be forthcoming.

All we can do is change the way things are and blaming the democrats for the crimes of the republicans will not help.

Calling the democrats lapdogs is making them equal to the republicans who activly support anything bush wants. They are not equal and if you think they are happy about the current balance of power then you are very shortsighted and that is the kind of thinking that will keep the republicans in power.