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McCain: We need an ‘Economic Surge.’»

Moments ago, Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) — who last year famously admitted to not understanding economics — called for an “economic surge” in a speech in Ohio today:

What we need today is an Economic Surge to keep jobs here at home and create new ones. We need to reduce the tax burden on businesses that choose to make their home in the United States of America. We need to open new markets to U.S. products. And we need to reduce the cost of healthcare. And we need to end the out of control spending in Washington that is putting our debt on the backs of our children.

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McCain’s policy prescriptions for the major issues often boil down to simply tacking on the word “surge.” In the past, he has trumpeted the Iraq surge and recently embraced an Afghanistan surge. Last week, he suggested a surge to control inner-city crime.

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98 Responses to “McCain: We need an ‘Economic Surge.’”

  1. DieNowForPeace Says:

    Fcuking idiot.

    Does he EVER give public speeches WITHOUT reading from a script???

    M O R O N .


  2. peaceweaver Says:

    You had to know this was coming! Surge this, surge that! How about a “power surge”, white haired dude?


  3. RUCerious Says:

    What a jackass.
    How does an economic surge work>? Do we occupy all major metropolitan areas and erect walls around each community, then shake their pockets empty?


  4. McWars Says:

    No talk of the economic terrorism inflicted by big oil and corporate healthcare. No surge to quell the violence they inflict, because big companies stuffing their pockets on the backs of the people “is what makes America great.”

    Party and institution over the people.


  5. bob hussein lablah Says:

    What we really need is an oil and gas industry campaign contribution surge.

    Oh, wait, McSurge is already getting that.


  6. helenahandbasket Says:

    America needs a Democratic surge, a bush-cheney-rove purge and a g.o.p. dirge.


  7. DieNowForPeace Says:

    McLame, methinks you could use an “ethics enema.”


  8. osage Says:

    McCain has been in Washington 26 years. How is someone who helped create and or failed to prevent all the problems Americans are facing today be trusted to fix and our undo them? McCain is part of the problem. Getting rid of the people in Wahsington who got us into this mess should be our first priorty. McCain’s candidacy is offering a perpetuation of them. Remember, McCain is on record as stating he voted for Bush’s policies 90% of the time. In other words, McCain enabled 90% of Bush’s FAILURES!


  9. tom Says:

    I have an idea for McNumbNuts and where he can stick his “surge”.

    Think “enema”.


  10. lokidog Says:

    OK.

    I’ll pay $5.00 to see Cindy bare her breats to a bunch of drunk bikers like McInsane wants.

    $2.50 a knee slapper.


  11. trollsbwild Says:

    Three tax cuts in the last eight years are not enough? Meanwhile, how in the hell are you going to fund the deficit and pay down $10 trillion in debt with current levels of tax revenue?
    If this f&*^ing a**shole steals this election, we are doomed. Time to seriously consider living abroad.


  12. bob hussein lablah Says:

    That coupled with a surge in the use of the word “surge.”


  13. McWars Says:

    F*** gellin’, I’m surgin’


  14. alphainfinityomega Says:

    Old, wrinkly, white haired guy’s total policy prescription =
    A noun, a verb, surge.

    ¶ AIO


  15. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    How many times in the campaign am I going to see a McCain speech and be left with the nagging question, “HAS HE TOTALLY LOST IT?”

    This makes no sense. What are we going to “Surge™”? Are we going to send the Marines in to Wall Street?

    (I notice, however, that he made a point of saying “The Surge™ has succeeded, militarily.”)


  16. Zooey Says:

    Hopefully, the death toll won’t be as high…


  17. bob hussein lablah Says:

    trollsbwild Says:

    If this f&*^ing a**shole steals this election, we are doomed. Time to seriously consider living abroad.

    Anybody besides me feel like we need a good 55% of the vote to actually win this thing?


  18. MCMetal Says:

    McStupid is awaiting a surge in his Depends………..


  19. Zooey Says:

    Heh. Look at the people behind McBush — they’re thrilled…


  20. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    This moment proves the point:

    For McSame, “The Surge™” is a magic bullet, so to speak, that is useful as a catchphrase but doesn’t need to relate to anything in the Reality-Based Universe.

    More crap like Bush’s “magic wand” theory of gas prices. Republicans don’t do nuance.


  21. Marie Says:

    McCain’s advocacy for a “surge” in Iraq has now provided him with the buzzword surge for all that afflicts America.
    Everything is viewed within terms of war.
    Tell the old soldier to go home and write a memoir.


  22. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Zooey Says:
    Hopefully, the death toll won’t be as high…

    Zooey, don’t do that.

    I’m at work. I can’t be laughing out loud at my desk.


  23. Fan of Man Says:

    oh you’ll get a surge old-wrinkly-white-haired-guy…

    a surge a voters to ensure you terrorists/traitors have no room in govt anymore…

    now that’s a surge i can patriotically can endorse!


  24. DieNowForPeace Says:

    Look at the people behind McBush — they’re thrilled…

    And extremely white, dumb, and sad - as if they’d rather be anywhere else but RIGHT THERE, RIGHT NOW…


  25. McWars Says:

    The makers of the short-lived soft drink should sue for copyright infringement - or did the GOP buy the trademark from Cola-Cola?


  26. ralph the wonder llama Says:

    Oh my god. It just struck me what the underlying message of this statement is:

    We need to continue the economic policies of Bush that have gotten us to this point, but we need MORE of them.

    More of the same. Isn’t that what The Surge™ was?


  27. Zooey Says:

    ralph the wonder llama Says:
    I’m at work. I can’t be laughing out loud at my desk.
    August 6th, 2008 at 1:35 pm

    Sorry, Ralph! :D


  28. sluggo Says:

    Obama releases a plan to handle energy problem and McCain starts yelling “Surge”?

    The McCain camp had to come up with something like a plan because they are getting killed in the media over their lack of substance. The problem is that they have no plans to present so the campaign staff tells McCain, “Just start using the word ‘Surge’ and everything will be ok”.

    McCain should fire his entire campaign staff tomorrow.


  29. Luis M Says:

    We need to reduce the tax burden on businesses that choose to make their home in the United States of America.
    Translation: Tax cuts.

    We need to open new markets to U.S. products.
    Translation: we need to invade new countries.

    And we need to reduce the cost of healthcare.
    Translation: we need to get rid of our sick people.

    And we need to end the out of control spending in Washington that is putting our debt on the backs of our children.
    Translation: We shouldn’t put more debt on the backs of our children; that spot’s reserved for Repuglican boy-lovers.


  30. raynman Says:

    Is anyone else slightly nauseated when you see McSame using the word ’surge’??


  31. miatch Says:

    The Surge, it’s now a desert topping and a floor cleaner!


  32. bob hussein lablah Says:

    If we had an education funding surge, maybe the next generation won’t have to deal with misinformation and idiotic catch phrases. Imagine the substantive issues surge that would follow.


  33. McWars Says:

    Great post, Luis.

    Speaking of surges, will the National Enquirer be on the lookout for McCain and his unnamed blond in the act?

    Nevermind, McCain doesn’t meet their criteria. He doesn’t have enough hair for a $400 haircut.


  34. tom Says:

    Is anyone else slightly nauseated when you see McSame using the word ’surge’??

    He doesn’t have to say a word to nauseate me.


  35. stateofthedivision Says:

    B.F. Skinner would be proud of John’s ability to get a pellet.

    “Surge” reward
    “Surge, surge, surge, surge”

    Whoa there John! The dispensing mechanism can’t keep up…


  36. McWars Says:

    We need to open new markets to U.S. products.
    Translation: we need to invade new countries.

    And raid their coffers to pay for the construction of new Mal-Warts (credit: RU) on their terrirory.


  37. old_hack Says:

    Mike Gravel told some folks at a gathering to go find where the prosecutor that is holding Sammi Al-Arian hostage for supporting Hamas’ kid’s go to school and apparently that’s not cool with Fox news. so Mike Gravel will be on the O’Reilly Factor tonight at 8


  38. katy Says:

    ok - OT, but i gotta know what this is about:

    Obama Polling Blues
    FOXNews - 1 hour ago
    by Major Garrett Does Barack Obama have a problem with the polls? Is his campaign less effective than it should be? Is there legitimate cause for concern that Obama could lose in what appears to be the most favorable non-scandal (meaning non-Watergate) …

    no way can i click on that link on googlenews page…

    WHAT “NON-SCANDAL” are they talking about, i wonder…

    is fox news? “NO” to all those questions, i’m sure…


  39. hussein toasterhead Says:

    RUCerious Says:

    What a jackass.
    How does an economic surge work>? Do we occupy all major metropolitan areas and erect walls around each community, then shake their pockets empty?

    August 6th, 2008 at 1:25 pm
    ______

    That’s just part of it. We also have to ethnically cleanse our major cities and send tens of millions of refugees fleeing to Canada and Mexico.


  40. hussein toasterhead Says:

    miatch Says:

    The Surge, it’s now a desert topping

    August 6th, 2008 at 1:46 pm
    ______

    Pun intended?


  41. spencers mom Says:

    Can’t you just hear the advice of non-advisor Rove?

    “Gotta find a phrase and stick with it. We used ‘terrorists’ but you should stick with ’surge’. The American people are stupid, so just keep it simple and keep ‘em scared. Oh, and about that black guy…”

    PEACE


  42. deebaser Says:

    Here’s an economic surge idea:

    Let the horrible bush tax cuts expire…

    PENALIZE companies that are international only on paper (Im looking at you Haliburton)

    Reinvest in our infrastructure to create GOOD jobs for hard workin ‘murikuns.


  43. Gary J Says:

    “And we need to end the out of control spending in Washington that is putting our debt on the backs of our children.”

    Oh, like you mean to include the out-of-control military budget and the spending of money on needless war?


  44. hivanh Says:

    McIdiot hs developed a real flair for insulting our intelligence. If I were a Repug, I’d be emabarrassed that they have come down to this to represent them. As Obama asks, “Is this the best they can do?”

    Either McCain has no handlers or they are worse than he is. I don’t really think he knows how stupid he sounds. He and Lieberman seem to be drinking from the same bottle of senility water. Someone should do them both a favor and tell them that it is not working. This is so bad that I should think Herbert Hoover is turning over in his grave.


  45. Gary J Says:

    p.s. I think we need a Democratic surge.


  46. McWars Says:

    Yeah, Katy, the media is more presumptuous than they could ever accuse Obama of being (don’t most candidates use “when” over “if” anyway?). They don’t want the democratic candidate to be clean as a toothpick, so they’ll twist the meaning of guilt-by-association to the extreme, loosen the definition of flip-flopping, and make definitive, dramatic statements about our candidate with no supporting facts.

    It can’t be a landslide. The democratic candidate must either lose big or win narrowly. And if the GOP is at the bottom of two barrels, the polls are neck-in-neck-in-neck 50.0000000 leading up to the race.

    Get your pair of media night-vision goggles TODAY!


  47. shades Says:

    Remember watching those old 50s “space” serials where the kid had a “space” dog and ate a “space” lunch? That’s what I picture when I hear McCain say “surge”.


  48. 5th Estate Says:

    New and ImprovedSURGE
    Now with 10% more INACTIVE INGREDIENT!

    SURGE–Makes you whole white-wash whiter! And …errmmm…washier! (Not available in any stores–void where intelligence prohibits)


  49. octamethyl Says:

    My friends, just as the orderlies at Grampy McBush’s assisted living home must clean up after he ’surges’ his drawers, we too must also purge Bush’s ’surge’.
    Purge the repug dirge in ‘08!


  50. McWars Says:

    obamagr8 Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Obama calls it an “economic stimulus plan.”

    Does the stupid label make any difference?

    Of course it does, troll. Taking a word affixed to a military strategy and envisioning that term as a household name is very dumb. It scratches the surface of a military-controlled society.

    What’s next — Education surge? Surge McMuffin?


  51. TXProgressive Says:

    McCain has had over 25+ years to get something done - to do something positive for middle and lower class america, and hasn’t. Why would I take his word that he’s a “change candidate” - why would I think that NOW he’s motivated. Sorry Mr. McCain, that ships done sailed.


  52. Oval12345678 aka James K. Sayre Says:

    We have suffered from a “surge” (a euphemism for escalation) of unregulated electronic corporate oil futures speculation in the last couple of years. Thanks to Phil Gramm, George Bush, John McCain and all their deregulating GOP buddies.

    (Sorry if you have seen the following, but we need to keep pushing Congress…)

    We’re being ENRONed again: this time by oil futures contracts speculators who are unnecessarily and very profitably driving up the price of crude oil and hence retail gasoline prices. Curious as to why you are suddenly paying over four dollars a gallon for gasoline? No, it’s not due to “supply-and-demand,” no, it’s not due to “OPEC,” nor is it due to “peak oil.” It’s due to totally unregulated electronic oil futures trading in world markets. Check out the very lucid article that explains the unseen financial machinations in oil futures markets written by F. W. Engdahl on May 2, 2008, entitled, “Perhaps 60% of Today’s Oil Price is Pure Speculation.” It may be viewed at .
    http://www.financialsense.com/ editorials/ engdahl/ 2008/ 0502.html

    In a nutshell, he suggests that the Bush Administration dropped the ball in January 2006, when they allowed totally unregulated electronic trading of oil futures contracts in New York. Previously these electronic trades had been made at the London Intercontinental Exchange (ICE) Futures Market. With that decision by the Bush Administration, all of the world’s oil prices were then opened to upward pressure from speculative futures contracts. In essence, oil futures contracts made by speculators, banks, hedge funds and pension funds all competed with real demand on the spot markets and had the effect of driving up both wholesale oil prices and retail gasoline prices. Speculators have made billions of dollars on their trading of oil futures contracts. All of their profits come right out of our pockets.

    Even with a stable oil supply, there is a slow worldwide increase in demand for oil, which creates a long-term upward pressure on oil prices. However, with the relentless saber-rattling and war-mongering by Bush and Cheney in the last several years, and the more recent war talks by McCain and the Israelis, the oil futures markets are rife with speculation and paranoia. This war talk keeps ratcheting up the prices on the oil futures contracts and hence the wholesale spot market prices. It is an endless spiral of greed and paranoia.

    As long as there is no tough and effective oversight of the electronic oil futures markets by the Bush Administration, the oil prices will climb endlessly. These oil prices will be quickly followed by hikes in the retail gasoline prices at the pump. The 60% speculation share of the $4.25/gallon gasoline price, is about $2.55/gallon, which is what we consumers are paying to these oil speculators as a “service fee.” Not a bad “fee,” since the speculators produce no usable goods or services…Just a few large greedy oil futures traders helping themselves to your gas money.
    Without this added-on oil futures “service fee,” you would be paying about $1.75/gallon for gasoline. Write, call or smoke-signal your Representatives and Senators today and suggest that they read the June 2006 report by The U. S. Senate Permanent Subcommittee on Investigations entitled, “The Role of Market Speculation in Rising Oil and Gas Prices.” Then demand that they investigate and then force the Bush Administration to firmly regulate the computerized oil futures contracts trading in New York, London and Dubai.

    This electronic oil price futures scandal is costing US drivers about $969,000,000.00 per day! That number is based on 60% speculation fee of a gasoline price of $4.25/gallon and on US 2004 consumption of 380,000,000 gallons/day. Tell you Senators and Congresspersons to simply shut down this unregulated electronic oil futures contract trading market. Then the price of gasoline will slowly drop to about $1.75/gallon…The only way that oil price futures contracts make money is if the price of oil goes up in the future, say, 30, 60 or 90 days later. This futures market serves no social need. It is just for corporate greed. The corporate speculators are probably also gaming/ENRONing the wheat and corn futures markets the same way.


  53. Leftside Annie Says:

    Heh. “Economic Surge” fits on a bumpersticker.

    Republicans understand bumperstickers.

    Not much more, though….


  54. Saint Augustine Says:

    helenahandbasket @ 1:28 PM Said:

    America needs a Democratic surge, a bush-cheney-rove purge and a g.o.p. dirge.

    After reading your words, I’m wont to observe, I’m tired of these turds and their Theater of the Absurd.


  55. DavidHart Says:

    How about creating jobs to re-build our infrastructure in contrast to paying war profiteers, Arabs and Iraqi politicians to (dubiously) rebuild Iraq? I would note that the former also produces tax revenues. Companies like Halliburton do not pay their share of taxes and neither do their “independent contractors.”

    Obama needs to stop conforming to the poll du jour and get tough. Many of our economic problems are a direct result of funding the pointless misadventure in Iraq.


  56. shoeless Says:

    obamagr8 Says:
    ——————————————————————————–

    Silly me, I’m a little more concerned with the substance.

    Do you mean like the Bush tax cuts for the uber-wealthy, and the additional $4 billion tax breaks for oil companies included in McCain’s “economic surge”, but not present in Obama’s economic policy? Is that the kind of “substance” you are talking about?


  57. Xisithrus Says:

    I think he means more stimulus checks and financial/banking bailouts.


  58. BuckarooBanzai Says:

    This surge brought to you by the good folks at Pfizer…makers of Viagra. If you have trouble and need a surge, try Viagra…


  59. belac Says:

    Silly me, I’m a little more concerned with the substance.

    Or do you mean like how Obama’s energy plan is really more than encouraging people to properly inflate their tires…


  60. Xisithrus Says:

    Economic surge = Privatize profits and socialize debt


  61. barfly Says:

    It’s perfectly understandable.

    He couldn’t trot out a “war on the economy” slogan, without appearing politically senile. The “war on …” rhetoric is useless in this context, since there is no group he can demonize (offending his campaign contributors is out of the question) as the source of the problem, without sounding like he’s bad-mouthing america’s capitalist system.


  62. SP Biloxi Says:

    Grandpappy McCain: “We need an ‘Economic Surge.’”

    For crying out loud, who wrote his speech? Economic surge? Like a war on economy? Time for Gramps to take a nap.


  63. Doc Rock Says:

    What we need is a Democratic president in the White House and Dick Cheney behind bars.



  64. RUCerious Says:

    Caption contest:

    (Balloon for man standing behind McIIIrd’s left shoulder)

    “Geebutz, is this boring geezer ever gonna STFU?”


  65. RUCerious Says:

    And, once again, our ObamaBaiting troll perpetuates the ridiculous meme that Obama’s tire pressure idea IS his energy policy.

    Go play in traffic.


  66. belac Says:

    Barack Obama’s ignorance on the subject of energy is remarkable.
    So is yours…
    You really wanna go here?
    Again, this suggestion is the first step in a much larger energy plan.
    Using your (actually Powerline’s, but whatever) numbers, we could hope for a savings of ~270,000 barrels of oil a day just by having properly inflated tires. Now let’s assume we only have 25% participation in this tire thing… you’re still gonna save 24.5 million barrels of oil a year, immediately.
    Now ANWR will produce ~876,000 barrels a day (in 2025!) if the BEST predictions are accurate… by then our tire inflation at 25% participation has already saved about 400 million barrels of oil, while at the same time cutting down on pollution… and that’s just the first step.
    Boy you guys are suckers… you really do wanna be drilled.


  67. Art Says:

    Is he willing to pay for it by raising taxes?


  68. RandomChaos Says:

    Grampy McInsane’s ignorance on the subject of energy is remarkable.


  69. Leftside Annie Says:

    Belac…? Quoting FACTS to a stupid troll?

    That’s a waste of a perfectly good brain surge. ;o)

    ~A


  70. RandomChaos Says:

    LA,
    Good one Annie. Thanks for the chuckle.


  71. celtic cynic Says:

    McGrumpy’s idea of a surge is when the ExLax kicks in.


  72. Bozo The Neoclown Says:

    Grampy McLame’s idea of an “economic surge” is being a manwhore, dumping your wife for a beer heiress. That, “my friends” is nor an “economic surge” you can believe in.


  73. RandomChaos Says:

    obamagr8,
    This is a really simple question.
    Why are they not drilling on the lands ALREADY leased to them?

    Extra credit…
    What non existent Refineries will process said crude?


  74. Bozo The Neoclown Says:

    RandomChaos Says:
    “Why are they not drilling on the lands ALREADY leased to them?”

    OOOhHHHHHH, let me answer this one: because this land grab is intended to be the last “gift” the waahhhpublicans give big oil before they are left neutered in the next election.


  75. MapleStreet Says:

    Well the surge was so successful in Iraq, why not brand it ?

    Serviously, did McCain almost say that we should make sure to tax the businesses that don’t make their home in the USA. You know, those Off-shore businesses that moved away like Halliburton ?>????????


  76. Bozo The Neoclown Says:

    obamagr8 Says: “Ah, the 68 million acres myth.”

    and your source is?


  77. RandomChaos Says:

    obamagr8 Says:
    Ah, the 68 million acres myth.

    Some of that land is tied up in environmental lawsuits. Some is under development now. Some has been drilled and turned back to the BLM.

    OK, even though you don’t provide any proof of your assertions, I’ll bite.

    So what makes you think any new leases wont get tied up in lawsuits, thereby delaying drilling and extraction?

    And you still need to answer the extra credit.


  78. Bozo The Neoclown Says:

    Furthermore obamagr8, why don’t you define what “some” is, you know, give it an actual number. We are talking about 68 MILLION acres. What’s “some” to you? 5 acres? 20? 100?


  79. belac Says:

    Ah, the 68 million acres myth.

    Is that like the ‘Central Tire Inflation Myth,’ in that it’s only a ‘myth’ if you carefully define your terms to exclude any contrary evidence as it’s pointed out to you?

    It must be fun to be able to dance around like that…


  80. BuckarooBanzai Says:

    I know of one offshore rig I would approve of: About 200 yards off Kennebunkport, ME. Start there or no other leases.


  81. BuckarooBanzai Says:

    Until McGeezer can guarantee that offshore drilling will lower the price of gas by $1.00 a gallon, then no go. That is what is lost in all this. There isn’t any shortage at the moment. What these people that support more drilling wherever are implying is that this will lower prices. It won’t. The oil companies are already raking in record profits so theoretically, can lower prices right now. Do they? No. Would they if they have more oil. No. This is the Shock Doctrine. Create ‘energy crisis’, make people scream for more oil, land grab. The rich get richer.


  82. Badger Says:

    The Futures traders and Big oil companies have done to the whole country, what Enron did to California a couple years ago.
    And no one can document anything, because of Phill Gramm’s “Enron Loophole”.

    Gasoline and Diesel are Obviously an essential commodity, and need to be Regulated like electricity.

    If Corporations have the storage tanks, let them but oil on the futures market. Owning (Hoarding) THE NATION’S Vital Oil Supply on PAPER..( or in this case Cyberspace) is NOT Supply and Demand .


  83. TeleMan Says:

    So obamagr8, using your numbers
    2.7 + 9.9 = 12.6
    68 - 12.6 = 55.4

    55.4 million acres yet to drill.

    I don’t care if that number got down to 10 million acres, it’s still a land grab!


  84. RUCerious Says:

    Juneau, AK — Alaska Natives and conservation groups are joining forces to stop oil and gas related seismic activity planned for this summer in the Arctic’s Chukchi and Beaufort Seas that could be detrimental to scores of marine mammals — including endangered and threatened species. The groups filed a lawsuit in federal district court in Anchorage today to challenge the premature issuance of federal permits for seismic surveys by Shell Oil and British Petroleum. The Chukchi and Beaufort Seas off Alaska’s north coast are collectively known as the Polar Bear Seas.

    “Oil operations will not just hurt our community ‘Tikigaq’ Point Hope, but will hurt all of the hunting communities,” said Emma F. Kinneeveauk, Environmental Program Manager for the Native Village of Point Hope, a federally recognized tribal government. “If oil is found, there are going to be lots of ships going back and forth and this is going to interrupt the animals’ migratory routes. They won’t come around anymore. We hunters will have a hard time finding the food we are used to eating; it is going to hurt our way of life.”

    The suit alleges the government violated the National Environmental Policy Act by issuing geological and geophysical permits before completing an environmental impact statement. It additionally charges that the National Marine Fisheries Service violated the Marine Mammal Protection Act by issuing an Incidental Harassment Authorization that allows Shell to “take” by harassment several species of seals and whales during seismic surveys. The fisheries service will likely issue additional permits to allow Shell, BP, and several other companies to harass seals and whales throughout this summer and fall.

    The Polar Bear Seas support endangered bowhead whales, beluga whales, gray whales, several seal species, Pacific walrus, polar bears, and about 100 fish species. In addition, endangered humpback whales have begun to migrate into the Beaufort and Chukchi Seas in recent years. Many of these species provide important subsistence resources to Native Alaskans.

    why do you hate native Americans, OGreatOne?


  85. dasm Says:

    McCain is frighteningly obessed with the “surge” word. A little surge in his memory might be in order, so that he can recall from day to day what his position is on any issue.


  86. Game of Life Says:

    Why not a “war” on the economy? Or a “time horizon” on the economy?


  87. Game of Life Says:

    Even if we find 1000 trillion barrels of oil in Texas, the price will still be high, thanks to the oil companies and their interest.

    Remember dick won’t release the memo about their secret meeting.


  88. evil_framers_of_the_constitution Says:

    More acreage, more injunctions!! REPUBLICAN PROGRESS!!!
    Let’s all drive to the capital and do the oil dance with Newt and the oil cronies.


  89. Robt Says:

    And Mcjohn won’t be needing his viagra for a surge anymore. Not after the look Cindy gave him when Johnny offered her up to do the banana limbo naked in Sturgis. That she might become Buffalo Chip Queen.


  90. DallasNE Says:

    His surge sounds more like a splurge. The only surge I see is in the national debt.

    Right now the dollar is seeing a rebound of roughly 5% because the American economy is dragging down many of the other economies of the world. This will weaken the one thing that has been strong; exports — creating more headwinds for our own economy although providing some offset for very high oil prices.

    What does McCain have to say about this surge in the weakening world economy and where would he surge to help shore up weakness overseas.


  91. ri-donna Says:

    In the interest of reality, sometimes surge is the word needed, in this case because it attracts attention since it reminds the public of the difference between politi-speech and actuality may be polar opposites. For example, the much ballyhoo’d reportage that “the U.S. military surge in Iraq is failing” versus the truth that it’s more a success every day.

    With regard to the economy, you can call it a mcsurge if you like, but a successful plan for our economic present and future to surge ahead is what we need. McCain is sounding like he has a plan and it doesn’t include burdening the middle class with more taxes. Obama sounds like he’s planning to have a plan, and that it will be burdensome on the middle class. Even after the Reagan years, some Americans still don’t get it: tax cuts favorable to business and business owners– big or small– stimulate the economy. They provide an impetus to increase jobs and wages. That’s been proven repeatedly. If we go with a ideas like Obama’s to tax the rich (big business) and profits tax oil companies, who do you think is going to be the end-payer of those taxes? Those taxes are just passed on to the consumer, one way or another. McCain understands this– he actually learns from history. McCain knows we need an economic plan that not only directly benefits the middle class, but benefits us by not causing increases in consumer costs. McCain may have needed some education on economic matters earlier, but it sounds like he sought that out and is a fast learner! I don’t want to hear about how a candidate is going to soak the rich– that always flows (never mind trickles) down to flooding the middle class. Hey, that’s how the income tax was originally sold to the public.

    And does McCain ever not read from prepared remarks? Yes, and he’s on the same page in both cases. Not so for Obama. Every time Obama speaks unscripted, he makes a gaff and has to “clarify” his off the cuff remarks by reading from prepared remarks.

    We’re supposed to be thinking about progress. McCain is progress. Obama is more talking about creating a plan for progress!


  92. chiefeditor Says:

    We just posted audio from this clip over at Entertonement.com.


  93. RandomChaos Says:

    Moderator,
    Why was my post about the EIA report removed?


  94. bob hussein lablah Says:

    #103 ri-donna:

    This comment brought to you by the Earn Points for McCain Rewards Program.

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/ wp-dyn/ content/ article/ 2008/ 08/ 06/ AR20080


  95. bob hussein lablah Says:

    #103: I don’t want to hear about how a candidate is going to soak the rich– that always flows (never mind trickles) down to flooding the middle class. Hey, that’s how the income tax was originally sold to the public.

    How about we just get the rich to pay as much as they did before the Bush tax cuts that bankrupted our country? And what does this have to do with the (ever shrinking under Bush) middle class? They actually get a tax cut under Obama’s plan.
    Why is the gap between the rich and poor in this country higher than it’s been since before the Great Depression? And how is McCain going to address that, exactly?


  96. DieNowForPeace Says:

    ri-donna Says:

    Ooooh, look what we have here!

    Ready to cash in those McBush tokens for a nice, shiny new dildo?

    Your spouse will thank us for eliminating the possibility of actually having sex with you!


  97. ri-donna Says:

    Re: bob hussein lablah and DieNowForPeace comments–

    It’s a shame to see the old tactic of if you don’t have facts to support your viewpoint you attack the speaker/writer (argumentum ad homonem for those of you interested in actual debate). I guess it’s my fault for believing this was an open forum.

    There was nothing vulgar in my presentation, so your attack is both unwarranted and crude. Again, attack the person if you can’t support your ideas. Sexism is not becoming, nor is lack of ability to defend your viewpoint.

    As an independent thinker, I carefully read all that’s available from all candidates and make my decisions based on that. Hmmm… must be an unusual method to use and also use this site.

    If business owners receive tax breaks, they put that money into creating new jobs and improving those that already exist. Reagan porved that (as did others before him). It is, of course, difficult for the President to help build the economy in any way when Congress (your majority, I think, step up to the plate here, please)fights him at every turn. President Bush has made mistakes, but I doubt that Senator McCain will. He knows how to build the economy! Aren’t you aware that some of those tax cuts you see as aiding “fat cats” actually actted as incentives for small businesses to grow? In order for the economy to revive, Congress needs to stop regulating business into oblivion. Just look at what’s happening to the auto industry (and others) because of regulations that are impossible to meet. We need to elect someone who has an experienced, realistic view of what it will take to put this country on the upswing economically. From what I’ve seen, that’s Senator McCain.

    And please, soak the rich has never worked! It’s been packaged and sold to voters for what– 70 or so years? It always works out that the middle class gets soaked instead. We’re losing the middle class because the middle class wants to ignore the needs of those “below” it and to make the rich become middle class. This country was built on hard work– we don’t become prosperous by riding the coat tails of those who’ve toiled to create and build businesses. I’m still amazed that you don’t see that if Senator Obama raises taxes on the business owning class, those tax increases will be passed on to the middle class. You’re not learning from long history. Senator McCain has learned from our nation’s past and is intent on using that knowledge to benefit ALL Americans. Senator McCain also understands free enterprise and incentive, Senator Obama not so much!

    Note how Senator Obama non-answers questions with elitist statements such as the answer being “above (my) pay grade,” when giving an honest answer might lose him votes. Again, Senator McCain just honestly answers the questions (sometimes so fully that his answer obviates the follow-up questions given to Senator Obama).

    When Senator McCain doesn’t evade the questions, it must really upset you. It’s so difficult to argue with someone who so committedly believes in what he’s saying. On the other hand it’s a snap to argue against non-answers and answers that are changed shortly (albeit by boradening the latter answer to encompass the former so as not to reveal you’ve made an error) as Senator Obama does. This tactic reveals that he holds no strong convictions. He obviously didn’t learn anything from Senator Clinton, and he could afford to do so.

    At any rate, everyone listening to the Saddleback presentation was already aware of how Senator Obama felt about abortion, since earlier in his campaign he had said he wanted the option for his daughters if either of them “made a mistake.” Do you really believe that a baby is EVER a mistake? That I believe that a baby is a miracle– whether of God or nature– leads me to agree with Senator McCain’s statement that a child is a person at the moment of conception.

    Incidentally, my husband prefers an intelligent, independent-thinking mate to a cow-towing automoton, say a Mary Matlin to a Maureen Dowd.

    I’m disappointed that you can’t argue the actual issues! Come back when you can argue FACTS, not commit character assassination.

    By the way, will you still get Obama points for your sexist, extremely crude comments? Or will you get extra points?


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