Israel building up strike capabilities against Iran.
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Israel building up strike capabilities against Iran.
CBS News reports, “Israel is building up its strike capabilities amid growing anxiety over Iran’s nuclear ambitions and appears confident that a military attack would cripple Tehran’s atomic program, even if it can’t destroy it.” The country has also “purchased 90 F-16I fighter planes that can carry enough fuel to reach Iran, and will receive 11 more by the end of next year.” According to the Times of London, President Bush has given an “‘amber light‘ to an Israeli plan to attack Iran’s main nuclear sites with long-range bombing sorties.”
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Israel is the biggest danger to peace in the Middle East, and the US is their biggest enabler.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pmOf course they are.
In less than a decade, Iran Might be Able to put together a nuclear spitwad, even though the International inspector guys and our own intel communities have determined they haven’t been working on weapons since 2003.
So it makes perfect sense for Israel to get ready to bomb them back to the stone age so another republican can get elected on the ’security’ platform.
Geez.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:35 pmFear sells and right wingers are always buying, being the spineless, cowering sissies that they are.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:39 pmGet ready to say HELLLLLLLLLLLLOOOOOOOOO!!! to $200/barrel oil, folks!
August 7th, 2008 at 12:40 pmgrowing anxiety over Iran’s nuclear ambitions
So, it’s worth bombing another country not for their ‘abilities’ or ‘capabilities’, but because they have ambitions toward a nuclear weapon? Yeah, that’s a sign of strength, knock someone else down not because they’re a direct threat, but because sometime in the future they may be a treat to you? What sort of bass ackward nation attacks another nation simply on the possibility that they may be a danger in the future???
August 7th, 2008 at 12:40 pmraynmank, you really want me to answer that question?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:40 pmGlad I just bought a 55mpg motorcycle!
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this is no time for the playground.
PUSH BACK ONLY. JUST THE FACTS.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:41 pmIsrael is really scared of what happens 10 years from now? Sounds political.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:41 pmI’m not surprised at all. This is how it will play out: Israel will attack Iran and if Iran fights back, then the U.S will use that as an excuse to attack Iran. Problem of finding an excuse to attack Iran is solved.
Israel also has a whole industry that is dependent on Israel going to war. If you read Disaster Capitalism by Naomi Klein, you will see that Israel does very well economically when there is terrorism threats and prospects of war. I’m sure the Israeli stock market is doing awesome right now in light of this.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:43 pmhttp://www.democracynow.org/2008/8/5/headlines
August 7th, 2008 at 12:45 pmSorry CBS, the rhetoric in Israel is something needs to be done this year. I suggest everyone start off their morning with a trip to The Jerusalem Post and Haaretz’s website.
JP reported Israeli Defense Minister Ehud Barack says Israel is ready, willing and able to use violence to contain the severe Iranian threat. He met with Dick Cheney twice in a three week period ending late July.
Kuwait just finalized their war plan after learning two aditional American aircraft carriers are headed to the Persian Gulf.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:45 pm“Israel is building up its strike capabilities amid growing anxiety over Iran’s nuclear ambitions and appears confident that a military attack would cripple Tehran’s atomic program, even if it can’t destroy it.”
This is bound to be as successful as their attack on Lebanon was.
According to the Times of London, President Bush has given an “‘amber light‘ to an Israeli plan to attack Iran’s main nuclear sites with long-range bombing sorties.”
The sooner they stop listening to Bush and his ilk, the better off they’ll be.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 7th, 2008 at 12:45 pmPerpetual War for Perpetual Profit
August 7th, 2008 at 12:45 pmZooey Says:
Israel is the biggest danger to peace in the Middle East, and the US is their biggest enabler.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
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I tend to think the relationship is exactly the converse. Israel is just a surrogate for the dirty work we don’t want to do ourselves.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:47 pmIsrael’s defense industry is $10 billion a year. That’s what they sell to their government and others. They just announced a cut off to Georgia, of the old Soviet Union.
Israel also gets $3 billion a year in military aid from the U.S.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:47 pmI tend to think the relationship is exactly the converse. Israel is just a surrogate for the dirty work we don’t want to do ourselves.
PRECISELY. They are our little remote target for anti-US sentiment.
The US really has no other reason to support the state.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:49 pmOf course, the only reason that these people want to fight Iran now when they might be a threat as opposed to ten years from now where it will be easier to determine if Iran is a verifible and actual threat is that in ten years, most of these guys will either be in jail or in hiding.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:50 pmHow long until Joe Lieberman asks why we’re all such anti-Semites?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:51 pmGOD IS DEAD.
Need proof? Look at post #20.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:57 pmOnce again darlyy tones in with his mis information…
Translated properly, the Iranian Mullah said the Israeli regime should be wiped off the face of the earth.
A proposition I heartily endorse. War mongers everywhere should perish by the sword, sayeth the Bybull.
And China should destroy our nuclear facilities, cause we may still be making weapons, right?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:57 pm“Israel and other pro-christian countries/cities within the Middle East”
Whaaaa? What pro-christian countries/cities, surely not Israel/Jerusalem/Cairo/Islamabad???
come clean St D., what the hell are you babbling about?
August 7th, 2008 at 12:59 pmOver sixty (60) of zionist Israelis stealing Arab land and Arab water, while USA, France and England have been helping themselves to Arab oil since the 1920s… Quite a display of imperialism, no?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:01 pmKaty, thanks for the information on John McCain’s “Frequent Lyer” Program. It’s good to know the Presidential hopeful bows down to the god of extrinsic motivation.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:04 pmWho would Jeebus preemptively bomb?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pmI think the danger is that Iran will have the KNOWLEDGE of how to build a nuke, in ten years. I think one of the latter day excuses for attacking Iraq (after it was proven they had no WMDs) was that they had, or were gaining, the know-how to build WMDs. See, it’s all in someone’s head….
August 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pmdarlyy gibbers…
We have our nuclear weapons only for security purposes. We have not ever threatened to wipe out a regime/nation because of their beliefs.
Neither did Iran, jackass…
August 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pmThey aren’t building, they’re in place and ready to go. At least that’s what Israeli Defense Minister, Ehud Barak said in the Jerusalem Post this very morning.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:06 pmdarlyy falsely claims
They are a threat to western civilization.
If you’re talking about Cheney and his sock puppet the chymp, you’re right on.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pmIran is simply today’s bogeyman that the fearmongers are flashing before our eyes to distract us from their morally bankrupt ways. Yesterday it was ‘terrorism’, the day before it was ‘bin Laden’. Tomorrow it will probably be homosexual mullahs.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:07 pmHere’s why two oilmen in the White House will attack Iran:
http://www.petrostrategies.org/Links/Worlds_Largest_Oil_and_Gas_Companies_Sites.htm
August 7th, 2008 at 1:08 pmSee, you overzealous kook, there IS a difference between a regime and a nation.
Like this disaster of a regime, which is going to be replaced by a saner version, one that reflects this NATION’s values.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:09 pmAnd I’m talking about Obama, not Huckleberry.
Daryll: We have our nuclear weapons only for security purposes. We have not ever threatened to wipe out a regime/nation because of their beliefs
I guess you’ve forgotten the two atom bombs dropped on Hiroshima and Nagasaki, Japan. We obviously did more than “threaten” them, didn’t we?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:11 pmThis is very dangerous and the US government needs to act to counsel restraint not insanity. Since the current administration is unwilling or unable to counsel restraint, Congress needs to take a leadership role, but I fear their cowardice.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:12 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
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Zooey Says:
Israel is the biggest danger to peace in the Middle East, and the US is their biggest enabler.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:34 pm
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I tend to think the relationship is exactly the converse. Israel is just a surrogate for the dirty work we don’t want to do ourselves.
August 7th, 2008 at 12:47 pm
I think you’re right about that, toasterhead. I stand corrected.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:14 pmI have believed for some time now that the reason Bush won’t release oil from the SPR is because they expect Iran to be attacked and the oil spigot to be turned off through the Strait of Hormuz. After Hurricane Katrina, Bush released some oil from the SPR, so why not now?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:15 pmRE22
RUCerious Says:
A proposition I heartily endorse. War mongers everywhere should perish by the sword, sayeth the Bybull.
Are you familiar with what the Koran says about killing the infidels (several times)???
August 7th, 2008 at 1:20 pmPresident George W Bush has told the Israeli government that he may be prepared to approve a future military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if negotiations with Tehran break down, according to a senior Pentagon official.
Despite the opposition of his own generals and widespread scepticism that America is ready to risk the military, political and economic consequences of an airborne strike on Iran, the president has given an “amber light” to an Israeli plan to attack Iran’s main nuclear sites with long-range bombing sorties, the official told The Sunday Times.
Isn’t GW the guy who says he ALWAYS listens to his “generals?” Apparently, only when they tell him exactly what he wants to hear. Sounds to me like the generals need to put both Bush and Cheney into the brig, as they pose a greater danger to the U.S. than any other country or group. Lest we all forget, the oath that’s taken by anyone in the military about protecting and defending the Constitution, references both from enemies without and within.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Are you familiar with what the Koran says about killing the infidels (several times)???
Are you aware the bible shows the “holy” man Noah screwed his own daughters?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pmimpeachcheneythenbush Says:
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President George W Bush has told the Israeli government that he may be prepared to approve a future military strike on Iranian nuclear facilities if negotiations with Tehran break down, according to a senior Pentagon official.
Which senior pentagon official?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:27 pmRE 42:
And I can forgive him if GOD can.
Keep blaming the Christians Infidel, they got you where they want you.
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. – 4:76 (Koran)
August 7th, 2008 at 1:29 pmGo Israel. Make sure you attack Iran before the terrorist loving Obama gets in office.
Given Obama’s associations with the likes the domestic terrorist William Ayers, he will definitely be siding with the terrorost nations like Iran if he becomes president. Not to mention the fact that Obama already wants to talk with the leader of Iran.
Obama doesn’t even have the nads to talk to Sean Hannity or Bill Orielly but he will talk to leaders of terrorist nations.
What is that all about???
August 7th, 2008 at 1:30 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Are you familiar with what the Koran says about killing the infidels (several times)???
Are you familiar with how many times mass murders were committed in the Bible because someone was of a different religion?
Do you realize that Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all branches of the same original religion?
All 3 religions are guilty of mass murder of innocents and have no place in a civil society.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pmTim43 Says:
Obama doesn’t even have the nads to talk to Sean Hannity or Bill Orielly but he will talk to leaders of terrorist nations.
Maybe because the leaders of other nations are the people presidents are supposed to talk to, in order to resolve conflicts, and people like Sean and Bill are irrelevant pompous fatheads?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pmRE 47:
August 7th, 2008 at 1:37 pmThanks Captain obvious I am aware of what religions have done and where they come from and thanks for assuming I’m a Christian. I just love how you will point out what the Bible might say about a subject, but never the Koran.
Are you aware that possibly the reason that we support Israel is they are a working Democracy in a Muslim dominated region?
Has it occurred to you that you are just as guilty as a Christian, Jew, Hindu, Zoroastrian, or Atiest to a Muslim and that they are instructed by Allah to make war on you?
RE 49:
I forgot to add also that Jesus Christ instructed his people to love and forgive one another…
August 7th, 2008 at 1:39 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
No it is you calling out the Koran, while I am stating that the Koran is not the only offensive religious text that calls for the murder of others.
The Bible and the Torah are just as guilty, as are many other religious texts of other religions.
Every Religion tries to excuse their wrongdoing, the persecution and murder of others who are different under the guise “of God”, none are innocent in the records of history.
If you call out one, you must call out all of them, or you are just as hypocritical as whom you are criticizing.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:44 pmRE 49-50:
See 20.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:46 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
I forgot to add also that Jesus Christ instructed his people to love and forgive one another…
I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ. —
August 7th, 2008 at 1:47 pmMohandas Gandhi
Wayne Says: Every Religion tries to excuse their wrongdoing, the persecution and murder of others who are different under the guise “of God”, none are innocent in the records of history.
Where did I make an excuse? I know that my/your ancestors were not perfect. I also believe that we have seen the err of our ways. When was the last time a war was declared in the name of Jesus Christ that wasn’t part of a political power grab?
And you also falsely assume that Athiests and Monotheists are not just as guilty of heinus crimes against humanity. That, my friend, makes you just as much of a hypocrite as the rest of the world.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:48 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
And you also falsely assume that Athiests and Monotheists are not just as guilty of heinus crimes against humanity. That, my friend, makes you just as much of a hypocrite as the rest of the world.
That would be a monotheist as opposed to a Christian?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:51 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
When was the last time a war was declared in the name of Jesus Christ that wasn’t part of a political power grab?
Bush: God Told Me to Invade Iraq
Oh, wait the Iraq Invasion could be construed as a power grab by Bush.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pmRE 55:
Sorry I meant Polytheists… I was typing faster than I was thinking. Please excuse me.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:53 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. – 4:76 (Koran)
August 7th, 2008 at 1:29 pm
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You are not a very good Muslim. You are distorting the words of your holy book to promote evil purposes.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:54 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
And you also falsely assume that Athiests and Monotheists are not just as guilty of heinus crimes against humanity. That, my friend, makes you just as much of a hypocrite as the rest of the world.
Where did I state this, mr lala land?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:55 pmHow do you come to this projecting conclusion?
If Israel is planning to strike at Iran with airpower, what route will they take to get there?
Won’t they have to cross over a number of sovereign nations to reach targets in Iran?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pmWayne Says:
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Are you aware the bible shows the “holy” man Noah screwed his own daughters?
Wayne, get your facts straight. It was not Noah. A man named Lot had two daughters. His daughters gave him wine and he became drunk and then his daughters jumped him. He did not jump his daughters.
Read on….
Genesis 19:31 (Whole Chapter)
One day the older daughter said to her sister, “There are no men left anywhere in this entire area, so we can’t get married like everyone else. And our father will soon be too old to have children.
Genesis 19:32 (Whole Chapter)
Come, let’s get him drunk with wine, and then we will have sex with him. That way we will preserve our family line through our father.”
Genesis 19:33 (Whole Chapter)
So that night they got him drunk with wine, and the older daughter went in and had intercourse with her father. He was unaware of her lying down or getting up again.
Let me further add a twist to the story that i know you liberals will hate… So why was Lot and his daughtes in an area where no other men lived??? Remember sodom and gomorrah?
Read on….
Passage Genesis 19:4:
4 But before they retired for the night, all the men of Sodom, young and old, came from all over the city and surrounded the house.
Passage Genesis 19:5:
5 They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!”
So now we know that it was the gay men of the town who threatened Lot and the men who were visiting him.
Then an angel came lot…
Genesis 19:12 (Whole Chapter)
Meanwhile, the angels questioned Lot. “Do you have any other relatives here in the city?” they asked. “Get them out of this place—your sons-in-law, sons, daughters, or anyone else.
Genesis 19:14 (Whole Chapter)
So Lot rushed out to tell his daughters’ fiancés, “Quick, get out of the city! The Lord is about to destroy it.” But the young men thought he was only joking.
Do any current situations come to mind that could be construed as history repeating itself? San Fransicko comes to mind.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pmRE 56:
I cannot and will not make excuses for Chimpy and Bushco. But when you point that out you also point out a paradox that looms over us all. Jesus taught us to “turn the other cheek” if you will, while Allah instructs “Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah’s religion reigns supreme – 8:39″ If we don’t put our beliefs aside, we will perish, unless you athiests want to fight them for us?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:56 pmRE 58:
You are not a very good Muslim. You are distorting the words of your holy book to promote evil purposes.
How can you distort the exact words? Making war on unbelievers (or something to that effect is mentioned over 500 times in the Koran. Tell me oh enlightened one, how have I distorted that?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:00 pmSTINKING TROLLS phantasyforcheneysweenie, Timmy, and Duhryl: This is not a religious debate. Sign off and let the adults post on-topic. IDIOTS.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:01 pmTim43 Says:
Passage Genesis 19:5:
5 They shouted to Lot, “Where are the men who came to spend the night with you? Bring them out to us so we can have sex with them!”
You not only distorted the language of the last phrase but you left out the part where Lot offered the crowd his two daughters to screw. Nice.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:01 pmRE 59 Wayne Says:
Where did I state this, mr lala land?
How do you come to this projecting conclusion?
You did not state it, you strategically left it out of your arguement to make your religion (or lack thereof) out to be innocent of heinous crimes throughout history.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pmTim43 Says:
Wayne, get your facts straight.
Thanks for reminding me, Noah was the one that had sex with his son when he got drunk, Lot was the one that layed his daughters =)
August 7th, 2008 at 2:02 pmWayne Says:
phantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Are you familiar with what the Koran says about killing the infidels (several times)???
Are you aware the bible shows the “holy” man Noah screwed his own daughters?
August 7th, 2008 at 1:24 pm
bit thinks you need a book, chapter, and a verse to confirm this remark about Noah.
Lot, Abraham’s nephew, had children by his daughters after they intentionally got him drunk. This is recorded in the Bible in around the 19th chapter of Genesis.
bit doesn’t believe the Bible comments on the goodness or the badness of this act, but it doesn’t comment on some of the undesirable tracts in the descendants of Lot.
Though the New Testament refers to “righteous” Lot, it never refers to him as a “holy” man. The NT refers to him as “righteous” because of the difficulty he had while living in Sodom. The Bible suggest that he suffered because of the sin in the city.
Many Christian consider the fact that the Bible records the bad, and the good, of so many prominent individuals in the Bible to simply be part of its authenticity.
The Bible records that Noah had only one wife. He also seems to have been a good man. He and his family were the only ones worth saving according to the Bible.
Wayne Says:
phantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Are you familiar with what the Koran says about killing the infidels (several times)???
Are you familiar with how many times mass murders were committed in the Bible because someone was of a different religion?
Do you realize that Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all branches of the same original religion?
All 3 religions are guilty of mass murder of innocents and have no place in a civil society.
August 7th, 2008 at 1:32 pm
Are you familiar with how many times mass murders were committed in the Bible because someone was of a different religion?
So how many times did this happen?
No such events are recorded in the New Testament.
The Old Testament contains the history of the ancient Jews, and it records numerous conflicts with people in the land of Canaan. King David gained much of his fame by attacking other people though bit doesn’t believe the reasons were all religious. .
Twentieth-century communism seems to be the league leader in the deaths by ideology category.
This is that atheistic systems of government. Remember it? It’s easy to show that more than 100 million were killed under communist system of government in the twentieth-century.
Do you realize that Islam, Christianity and Judaism are all branches of the same original religion?
bit thinks saying they are, “…all branches of the same original religion” is a something of a stretch.
All three religions “look back” to Abraham, and claim that he is important to their faiths.
Christianity came out of Judaism, but bit doesn’t think it appropriate comment on the origin of Islam.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:03 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
You did not state it, you strategically left it out of your arguement to make your religion (or lack thereof) out to be innocent of heinous crimes throughout history.
Wow your non logic is amazing(ly stupid).
August 7th, 2008 at 2:04 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
How can you distort the exact words? Making war on unbelievers (or something to that effect is mentioned over 500 times in the Koran. Tell me oh enlightened one, how have I distorted that?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:00 pm
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The Quraan is written in Classical Arabic. Your words were in English. There is no English equivalent for a great many words in Arabic, which is how words like “jihad” were originally mistranslated to mean “holy war.”
Your words were also presented with no context whatsoever. When you take quotes from the Bible or the Quraan out of context, you can make them mean anything you like.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pmIsrael is of course well within her rights to attack and destroy Iran’s illegal nuclear facilities, just like they did the last time.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pmMcWars Says:
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STINKING TROLLS phantasyforcheneysweenie, Timmy, and Duhryl: This is not a religious debate. Sign off and let the adults post on-topic. IDIOTS.
what a very grown-up thing to say, quoting Spiderman… how “mature adult” of you. Okay, I’ll just sit back and watch what kind of grown up stuff you have to post. Got any more grown up stuff like “High road my ass”, because that was a real big-boy thing to say. Go ahead, enlighten us with your wisdom now oh revered one.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pmbitblt Says:
Christianity came out of Judaism, but bit doesn’t think it appropriate comment on the origin of Islam.
All 3 Abrahamic religions come from the same religion which started as a hill/sky god that required blood sacrifices of animals and people. Cain was ousted because he refused to shed blood for god, rather he gave god fruits and grain.
bitbit on that moron
August 7th, 2008 at 2:09 pmTrolls (I’m losing count), look, it’s Larry Craig!!
August 7th, 2008 at 2:10 pmYou mean this reference about Noah and Ham…
Passage Genesis 9:22:
22And Ham, the father of Canaan, saw the nakedness of his father, and told his two brethren without.
Passage Genesis 9:23:
23And Shem and Japheth took a garment, and laid it upon both their shoulders, and went backward, and covered the nakedness of their father; and their faces were backward, and they saw not their father’s nakedness.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:11 pmTripleKick 9 Says:
Israel is of course well within her rights to attack and destroy Iran’s illegal nuclear facilities, just like they did the last time.
No, they’re not within their rights to launch a preemptive strike on another country. And in what fantasy universe are Iran’s nuclear facilities “illegal”?
Are Israel’s nuclear weapons “illegal”? If not, why?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:12 pmTripleKick 9 Says:
Israel is of course well within her rights to attack and destroy Iran’s illegal nuclear facilities, just like they did the last time.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:07 pm
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What rights are these? The UN Charter prohibits acts of aggression.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pmhussein toasterhead Says:
The Quraan is written in Classical Arabic. Your words were in English. There is no English equivalent for a great many words in Arabic, which is how words like “jihad” were originally mistranslated to mean “holy war.”
Right, I get it, like “el mariachi” has no literal translation into American English… but the basic idea that it is a transient guitar player is pretty close. So I will grant that getting it exactly right is tough, that’s why people who have studied the language are the ones that do the translations. Make sure you point out to the muslim cutting your head off that his he’s wrong because his “holy book” was mistranslated.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pmReligion has triggered more War than politics.
I don’t really care if you guys quote biblical gossip & insert your own words till Hell freezes over. I really don’t.
What I care about is humans taking responsibility for their own actions, regardless of Country, religion or party.
Stand up & be human. Is that so hard?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pmbitblt: You’re still posting here after your approval of the concept of rape?
phantasymanINcheneyspiehole: Mumbling, troll?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:16 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Right, I get it, like “el mariachi” has no literal translation into American English… but the basic idea that it is a transient guitar player is pretty close. So I will grant that getting it exactly right is tough, that’s why people who have studied the language are the ones that do the translations. Make sure you point out to the muslim cutting your head off that his he’s wrong because his “holy book” was mistranslated.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
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There’s no Muslim cutting my head off. Why are you conservatives such huge fans of decapitation? You guys have an unnatural obsession with it. Do you all have a neck-stump fetish or something?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:18 pmtoaster,
August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pmI don’t think it’s a neck-stump thing, but more along the line of, if brainless, why not headless?
phantasymanINphantasyland —
Hate to break it to you phantasyland but Israel preparing to attack Iram has everything to do with religion.
This fight can be traced back to Ishmael and Isreal. Or more specifically, Abraham, Sarah and here maidservent Hagar.
Genesis 9-14
9 And Sarah saw the son of Hagar the Egyptian, whom she had borne unto Abraham, mocking.
10 Wherefore she said unto Abraham, Cast out this handmaid and her son. For the son of this handmaid shall not be heir with my son, even with Isaac.
11 And the thing was very grievous in Abraham’s sight on account of his son.
12 And God said unto Abraham, Let it not be grievous in thy sight because of the lad, and because of thy handmaid. In all that Sarah saith unto thee, hearken unto her voice. For in Isaac shall thy seed be called.
13 And also of the son of the handmaid will I make a nation, because he is thy seed.
14 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and took bread and a bottle of water, and gave it unto Hagar, putting it on her shoulder, and gave her the child, and sent her away. And she departed, and wandered in the wilderness of Beer-sheba.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pmMcWars Says:
phantasymanINcheneyspiehole: Mumbling, troll?
Funny, everything I posted was in plain english. Was it too hard for you to understand? I thought the athiest liberals were supposed to be the enlightened ones. Feel free to let us know what it is that you’re enlightened about. I get it, you hate Bush and he needs impeached, any other nuggets of eternal wisdom there big boy?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:20 pmZimzone Says:
Religion has triggered more War than politics.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:14 pm
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I don’t think I can agree with this. I think the number of purely religious wars or purely ideological wars in history is pretty slim. War is always, and always has been, about profit. Someone always stands to gain from war, whether it’s land or natural resources or population control or money.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:23 pmany other nuggets of eternal wisdom there big boy?
Yes, attacking Iran is a huge mistake and will be utterly counter-productive. Got any reason to suppose otherwise there little man?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pmThe Iraq/Afgahnistan conflicts are going so well…
Gummich said
LOL so uninformed, so typical of the hateful left. Israel will do what the UN has failed to do; end Iran’s illegal nuclear facilities. I’m sure you TP haters would prefer that Israel do nothing and simply embrace their nuclear destruction. Thankfully, no one really cares what TP haters think except TP haters.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pmRE81:hussein toasterhead Says:
There’s no Muslim cutting my head off.
I see, so the nazi’s haven’t come for you yet either… and it’s not a fascination, I happen to be related to Nicholas Berg. Sorry if that offends you too.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pmTim43 Says:
You mean this reference about Noah and Ham…
so do you assume Noah sold Ham’s son Canaan into slavery and laid a curse on all of Ham’s descendants because he only covered him up? Some translators of the original text suggest ham took advantage of his father while he was being a drunken lout.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:25 pmRE 86: belac Says:
Yes, attacking Iran is a huge mistake and will be utterly counter-productive. Got any reason to suppose otherwise there little man?
The Iraq/Afgahnistan conflicts are going so well…
Sorry I didn’t see where Israel had declared war on Iraq and Afganistan, thanks for that nugget higher wisdom little woman.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:29 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
I see, so the nazi’s haven’t come for you yet either… and it’s not a fascination, I happen to be related to Nicholas Berg. Sorry if that offends you too.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
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Thank you for explaining the reason for your decapitation fetish. I understand now. It still doesn’t excuse your ignorant stereotyping of 1.2 billion Muslims as bloodthirsty terrorists.
Why is it that you people only ever complain about Muslim atrocities? You never point out the atrocities of Christian terrorists, like the Blackwater mercenaries shooting up Mansour Square. Is it because you support the killing of innocent people?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:31 pmOf course if the United States attacked Iran it would be a huge mistake and would be counter-productive (to use your term) to our economy and our armies amongst other facets of our way of life. But I’m pretty sure it’s Israel, not the U.S., that the story says is planning attacks.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pmSorry I didn’t see where Israel had declared war on Iraq and Afganistan, thanks for that nugget higher wisdom little woman.
I don’t see where we have either. Yet the conflicts all seem to be related to this concept of ‘preventative warfare’ as would be any attack by Isreal on Iran.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:32 pmExplain how this doctrine has yeilded the desired results, outside of your ‘phantasy’ world…
McWars Says:
phantasymanINcheneyspiehole: Mumbling, troll?
Funny, everything I posted was in plain english. Was it too hard for you to understand? I thought the athiest liberals were supposed to be the enlightened ones. Feel free to let us know what it is that you’re enlightened about. I get it, you hate Bush and he needs impeached, any other nuggets of eternal wisdom there big boy?
You talk like someone who isn’t going to get his ass kicked in November.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:33 pmTripleKick 9 Says:
I’m sure you TP haters would prefer that Israel do nothing and simply embrace their nuclear destruction.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:24 pm
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How does one destroy a country with a nuclear power plant, exactly?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:36 pmWayne Says:
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Tim43 Says:
You mean this reference about Noah and Ham…
so do you assume Noah sold Ham’s son Canaan into slavery and laid a curse on all of Ham’s descendants because he only covered him up? Some translators of the original text suggest ham took advantage of his father while he was being a drunken lout.
yes, exactly. I thought that it was necessary to set the record straight. You initially stated that Noah screwed his daughters, then you very quickly changed that to Noah screwed his sone. The reality is that Noah’s son screwed him.
Takes a while to get the truth through to a liberal :-)
August 7th, 2008 at 2:37 pmRe 91 hussein toasterhead Says:
Why is it that you people only ever complain about Muslim atrocities? You never point out the atrocities of Christian terrorists, like the Blackwater mercenaries shooting up Mansour Square. Is it because you support the killing of innocent people?
Probably because the Blackwater mercenaries are private contractors that were hired by the U.S. state department to provide security in Iraq. I didn’t read in the NY Times that they were hired by the church or were there doing Christ’s bidding. But if you have information that the rest of the world is not privvy to, please enlighten us.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:38 pmMcWars Says:
You talk like someone who isn’t going to get his ass kicked in November.
Are you challenging me to a fist fight? I have never once mentioned either presidential candidate, or who I supported (other than I don’t support Bush). So my assumption can only be that your little “ass-kick” remark can’t be political. Either way, BRING IT ON!
August 7th, 2008 at 2:41 pmPhantasy~
August 7th, 2008 at 2:45 pmPlease do explain how ‘pre-emptive’ strikes by the U.S. have failed to achieve the desired result and, in fact, been counter-productive but a ‘pre-emptive’ (read illegal) strike by Isreal on Iran that the U.S. has given tacit approval to will achieve victory and assure peace and tranquility in th region for years to come…
TripleKick 9 Says:
Gummich said
And in what fantasy universe are Iran’s nuclear facilities “illegal”
LOL so uninformed, so typical of the hateful left. Israel will do what the UN has failed to do; end Iran’s illegal nuclear facilities. I’m sure you TP haters would prefer that Israel do nothing and simply embrace their nuclear destruction. Thankfully, no one really cares what TP haters think except TP haters.
LOL? What are you, 12?
You still haven’t explained how their nuclear facilities are “illegal.” Which law are they breaking and who passed it? Why are their nuclear facilities against the law and not Israel’s? Or South Africa’s? Or India’s? Or Pakistan’s? Or . .
When you get done with your chortling and your childish acronyms, maybe you can answer the question. Or not.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:48 pmA PRE EMPTIVE STRIKE AGAINST A COUNTRY THAT HASN’T ATTACKED YOU…? WHY WOULD YOU DO THAT ?
August 7th, 2008 at 2:51 pmIRAN HASN’T INVADED ANOTHER NATION SINCE THE 1700′S
SO…. WHERE IS THE JUSTIFICATION…? I’M SORRY….
BUT IF ISRAEL IS GOING TO CONTINUE TO BOMB OTHER NATIONS WITHOUT FIRST BEING ATTACKED. THEN WE NEED TO START DEFENDING OTHER MIDDLE EASTERN NATIONS FROM ISRAEL.
NOT ISRAEL FROM OTHER NATIONS…..
I think the Chinese should nuke Diablo nuclear energy plant and San Luis Obispo CA with it, since it could be used, some day, to produce fissile materials.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:53 pmI HAVE YET TO SEE MEANINGFUL DIPLOMACY WITH IRAN, THEIR ONLY VIOLATION IS THAT THEY ARE ENRICHING THEIR OWN URANIUM.
August 7th, 2008 at 2:58 pmKIND OF LIKE WE DO… AND OTHER NATIONS ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
BUT FOR SOME REASON THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO. THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THEY ARE BUILDING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. ONLY PRODUCING FUEL FOR THEIR NUCLEAR REACTORS. ( THOSE MAKE ELECTRICITY )
* FOR THOSE FEW HERE WHO DIDN’T KNOW THAT…..
OBAMA WANTS TO CREATE A NUCLEAR FUEL BANK THAT CAN SUPPLY THOSE NATIONS WHO NEED FUEL FOR THEIR REACTORS. THE ONLY OPTION IRAN HAS BEEN GIVEN IS STOP ENRICHING FUEL OR FACE MORE SANCTIONS OR MILITARY ACTION. YOU CAN BUY YOUR FUEL FROM RUSSIA….
NOW I FOR ONE WOULDN’T FEEL VERY SECURE KNOWING MY ONLY SOURCE OF FUEL WAS RUSSIA. HOW ABOUT A FUEL BANK UNDER THE CONTROL OF THE UNITED NATIONS…Hmmmmm…. GOOD IDEA….
SURE BEATS THE HECK OUT OF WAR, NUCLEAR FALLOUT, GAS PRICES THORUGH THE ROOF, WWIII…. DEAD SOLDIERS ETC. ETC. ETC…..
Tim43 Says:
The reality is that Noah’s son screwed him.
So Noah and his son had incestuous homosexual relations while Noah was too drunk to have any sense.
While Lot had incesuous relations with his daughters then passed them off to a crowd for a big gangbang.
Such values the bible teaches =)
August 7th, 2008 at 2:59 pmWhile Lot had incesuous relations with his daughters then passed them off to a crowd for a big gangbang.
Actually, Lot had incestous relations with his daughters AFTER the big gangbang offer (his wife was totally frigid, though- she was a pillar of salt) …wouldn’t want Tim43 to have to go into that can of worms to get the ‘truth’ through to us liberals.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
McWars Says:
You talk like someone who isn’t going to get his ass kicked in November.
Are you challenging me to a fist fight?
Actually it looks like he was referring to the elections when the Republinuts are going to get their collective asses kicked in the elections.
Reading comprehension issues or just looking for a fight yourself?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:03 pmCanelane4 Says: I HAVE YET TO SEE MEANINGFUL DIPLOMACY WITH IRAN, THEIR ONLY VIOLATION IS THAT THEY ARE ENRICHING THEIR OWN URANIUM.
KIND OF LIKE WE DO… AND OTHER NATIONS ARE ALLOWED TO DO.
BUT FOR SOME REASON THEY ARE NOT ALLOWED TO. THERE IS NO PROOF THAT THEY ARE BUILDING NUCLEAR WEAPONS. ONLY PRODUCING FUEL FOR THEIR NUCLEAR REACTORS. ( THOSE MAKE ELECTRICITY )
I too have yet to see meaningful diplomacy with Iran and I do not think America should ruch to start a war with them (or any other nation for that matter). But the fact that they announced that “Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth” and that they were “enriching uranium” within a mater of a few months would tend to make me throw caution to the wind. Better safe than sorry. That’s why we have to ensure the safety of America and Americans by keeping abreast of what is happening in Iran.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pmPhantasy~
August 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pmBack to playing CounterStrike? That’s how you negotiate with Iran, send in the on-line gamers- they know how to get things done!
Ohh, you’re back Phantasy!
August 7th, 2008 at 3:06 pmPlease see #99… I eagerly await your wisdom.
What does Israel think that Iran is going to do if they attack them. Do they really think that Iran isn’t going to retaliate. Do the leaders in Israel care that they are setting up their citizens to be attacked? It sounds like the government in Israel has about as much respect for its citizens as our current government has for us.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:07 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
But the fact that they announced that “Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth”
August 7th, 2008 at 3:05 pm
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Iran has never announced such a thing.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:09 pmgummitch
August 7th, 2008 at 3:10 pmI know you are usually pretty dense and stubborn, so its not a surprise for me that you want to ignore that the UN Security Council has imposed sanctions mutiple times against Iran regarding their nuclear facilities. There’s little question that Iran wants a bomb, and they’re simply not going to have one no matter how much you want them to. Isn’t it predictable how the extreme left is always against Israel..
RE 106 Wayne Says:
Actually it looks like he was referring to the elections when the Republinuts are going to get their collective asses kicked in the elections.
Reading comprehension issues or just looking for a fight yourself?
That’s not what he said, he said I was going to get “my” ass kicked. You liberals assume that since I pointed out a few religous FACTS, that I’m a republican. But there you go putting the ASS in assume. It’s especially funny coming from the same people who have gotten their asses kicked in 5 of the last 7 elections… I guess I was just hoping he was man enough to be calling me out to a “fist-fight” instead of assuming that I care which useless Senator we elect to lead our blind country.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:11 pmToaster
August 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pmThat idiot midget in Iran has indeed proposed destroying Israel multiple times.
RE 99 and 109:
August 7th, 2008 at 3:15 pmIs it really my job to recite recent history for you? Can you not Google it yourself? Starting a war is never productive immediately… oh never mind. I could explain all day then you’d just call me a conservanut or some other infantile name because my opinions are not lock-step with yours…
That’s not what he said, he said I was going to get “my” ass kicked.
Actually, that’s not what he said either… he said you TALK like someone who’s gonna get their ass kicked in November. You do TALK like a republican stooge, but I’m beginning to suspect that you also get your ass kicked all the time with all the posturing and fist fight challenges you through out…
August 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pmthrough = throw above…
August 7th, 2008 at 3:16 pmStarting a war is never productive immediately…
When has STARTING a war worked out long term then? Recent history will do…
August 7th, 2008 at 3:18 pmbelac Says:
When has STARTING a war worked out long term then?
If I didn’t have a war I started worked out long term, then you could call me a republican. I like to think independently, I don’t need the media to tell me what to think – or what cool name to call people i.e. republican stooge.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:27 pmI bet you secretly wish the show was called “Colmes and Hannity” don’t you?
TripleKick 9 Says:
Toaster
That idiot midget in Iran has indeed proposed destroying Israel multiple times.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:13 pm
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He’s talking about regime change in Israel, not destroying the country.
Besides, since when is the bloviating of a wingnut official policy? The President of Iran has no control over Iran’s military – he can threaten all he wants, but it doesn’t mean a thing. You still have no proof that Iran plans to destroy Israel.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:31 pmIf I didn’t have a war I started worked out long term, then you could call me a republican.
What?
I like to think independently, I don’t need the media to tell me what to think – or what cool name to call people i.e. republican stooge.
No, you use ‘woman’ as a pejorative term- which is way more revealing (i.e. thanks for that nugget higher wisdom little woman)
I bet you secretly wish the show was called “Colmes and Hannity” don’t you?
Can’t say it would make much difference to me one way or the other.
Why is Israel’s (proposed) attack of Iran a good idea?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:33 pmWhy shouldn’t the U.S. do everything possible to prevent such an event from occurring?
I await your free-thinking wisdom.
belac Says:
Why is Israel’s (proposed) attack of Iran a good idea?
Why shouldn’t the U.S. do everything possible to prevent such an event from occurring?
I await your free-thinking wisdom.
When did I say it was a good idea? And your insult of calling someone “little” is as revealing as me calling you “woman”. Your issues with short people are overbearing your ability to rationalize. Obviously that’s why you hate G.W.Bush (his shortness in stature). And you ability to project your ideas of what “republican stooges” do as ideas that I endorse is as funny as it is scary. So all you can do is call me names that you think aredemeaning because I didn’t jump to the forefront supporting Iran… and I’m the stooge?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:39 pmWayne Says:
bitblt Says:
Christianity came out of Judaism, but bit doesn’t think it appropriate comment on the origin of Islam.
All 3 Abrahamic religions come from the same religion which started as a hill/sky god that required blood sacrifices of animals and people. Cain was ousted because he refused to shed blood for god, rather he gave god fruits and grain.
bitbit on that moron
As bit has previously said, Christianity came out of Judaism. Early Christianity was consider a sect of Judaism.
To the best of bit’s knowledge, Islam had it’s origin about the time of Mohammed, who wrote the Quran. If memory serves this was around 692 A.D.
bit has been told that the people who became the Muslims – around the mentioned time – did not reference any heritage to Abraham until the time of Mohammed.
What document, or oral tradition, establishes the Moslim’s link to Abraham?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:41 pmI’m the stooge?
Ladies and germs, we have a “wiener.”
August 7th, 2008 at 3:43 pmThat idiot midget in Iran has indeed proposed destroying Israel multiple times.
Yo dipshit, stop with the Faux Shnooz propaganda.
Your microcephallic brain can’t handle such mis-information, obviously.
You’re like a baby bird who must be hand-fed drops of poison or else you’ll die.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:46 pmDribbledick 9 and all the right wing fellaters,
THIS IS YOUR LEGACY!
Unwarranted attacks on countries that pose no threat.
Iran does NOT have nuclear weapons.
Iran does NOT have the capability to produce long range rockets to carry such nuclear weapons.
Iran DOES have the right to protect itself from outside agitators.
Iraq did NOT have any WMD (not even the small amount of expired gas cannisters from Gulf War I), and did not produce any anthrax.
Iraq was NOT linked to the perpetrators of 9/11.
Iraq did NOT have the capability to produce a “mushroom cloud” upon the United States.
RIGHT WING FELLATERS, ARE YOU PROUD??
August 7th, 2008 at 3:46 pmAh yes… the famous “Israel should be wiped off the face of the earth” comment… If it had actually been translated from Farsi. The language it was spoken in…
http://www.informationclearinghouse.info/article16218.htm
And as for sanctions against Iran for violations.
Which nation has more violations that any other…?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_the_UN_resolutions_concerning_Israel_and_Palestine
And have they had sanctions imposed on them for continued violations…? The double standard thing really makes you wonder sometimes….
August 7th, 2008 at 3:47 pmRE 123 bitblt Says:
bitbit on that moron
Bitblt, they did it again… they called christians names until we capitulated. Jesus was right when he pointed out that all men are sinners…
August 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pmBut it could be worse, we could follow Mohammad who says “Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil.” – 4:76
We’re agreed then- it’s not a good idea.
Are you just having a laugh?
Your posts make little sense and point in all directions at once without reaching any destination.
I ask again,
August 7th, 2008 at 3:48 pmSince we’re agreed that it’s a bad idea, why shouldn’t the U.S. do everything possible to prevent such an event from occurring?
When will the neocon apologists realize that when the Mullah said the Israeli regime should be wiped off the map, he said what he meant. The GOVERNMENT of Israel was the target, not the nation.
And yet, the bullshit perpetuates…
August 7th, 2008 at 3:53 pmIt’s interesting to note while morons like dribbledick sit there rubbing their poontangs at the thought of bombing iran, they rarely think about the consequences of destabilizing another of the biggest oil producing nations in the world.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:54 pmbelac Says:
I ask again, Since we’re agreed that it’s a bad idea, why shouldn’t the U.S. do everything possible to prevent such an event from occurring?
I guess it depends on whether you think that “everything possible” includes waning from our support of Israel or outright fighting against them. Israel, like I said earlier, is a democracy in a generally muslim dictatated region. What I don’t understand is that many Israeli’s consider themselves progressive and liberal, why do you not support your bretheren?
August 7th, 2008 at 3:55 pmWhat document, or oral tradition, establishes the Moslim’s link to Abraham?
Lot’s (by that I mean the same one that mentions your friend Lot and many sources- it’s got a couple levels)
HERE-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham#In_Islam
August 7th, 2008 at 3:55 pmbitblt Says:
Do you know what psychologists say about people who refer to themselves in the third person?
Maybe you should see one and find out.
August 7th, 2008 at 3:56 pmPhantasy-
August 7th, 2008 at 3:58 pmI would say that a good first step to preventing it is for our President NOT to give tacit approval for the attack. I would follow that with linking the continuance of military aid to Israel with their argreement NOT to unilaterly and illegally attack Iran.
Sound good? (see no fighting needed)
phantasymanINphantasyland Says:
“What I don’t understand is that many Israeli’s consider themselves progressive and liberal, why do you not support your bretheren?”
Really, the current government in israe; is progressive and liberal?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:00 pmRUCerious Says:
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When will the neocon apologists realize that when the Mullah said the Israeli regime should be wiped off the map, he said what he meant. The GOVERNMENT of Israel was the target, not the nation.
And yet, the bullshit perpetuates…
RUCerious… I’m going to give you the most honest answer that I can, I hope you have the ability to treat my opinion with the same respect that I’ll treat yours.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:03 pmIsrael is a “non-muslim” democracy in a region dictated by muslim regimes. Obviously we can go back and forth all day on what was actually said and what was implied. For all I know, you can be exactly right (and I hope you are). But remember that Muslims are under no restriction from Allah to tell an infidel the truth. In fact they are instructed to make us (the infidels) feel safe in their presence and then turn on us. If he wants an infidel government wiped off the face of the earth, how would you propose that he do it? You kind of have to go through the people, especially in a democracy. Much like here in America, if he threatened our governement, he’s threatening both democrats and republicans… But that is just my opinion. I would be all ears if you would share yours and why we and/or Israel for that matter should not feel threatened by that remark.
bitblt Says:
What document, or oral tradition, establishes the Moslim’s link to Abraham?
Abraham is mentioned in many passages in 25 Qur’anic suras and the number of repetitions of his name in the Qur’an is second only to Moses.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:05 pmPlus if you go to a University Library in the Religion section there are quite a few books on the history ( not religious books ) of the Abrahamic Religions.
belac Says:
What document, or oral tradition, establishes the Moslim’s link to Abraham?
Lot’s (by that I mean the same one that mentions your friend Lot and many sources- it’s got a couple levels)
HERE-
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abraham#In_Islam
August 7th, 2008 at 3:55 pm
What document, or oral tradition, establishes the Moslim’s link to Abraham?
The answer to the question is wikipedia?
At your reference, bit can tell if these two
Father of the Arabised Arabs
Father of the Hebrews
are documents or titles. They look more like titles.
The only document mentioned is the Quran.
Abraham is mentioned in many passages in 25 Qur’anic suras (chapters)
Abraham lived two thousand years, or more, before Jesus.
Abraham life is recorded in the Bible.
The Quran was written about 700 years after Jesus.
What Moslim documents link Islam to Abraham besides the Quran?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:08 pmIronic, isn’t it, that we have the pseudo-(c)hristians here defending the subject of an unprovoked attack killing innocent civilians to better the profit of America/Israel.
Jesus, my friends, would NOT be proud!
August 7th, 2008 at 4:10 pmRE 135 belac Says:
Your solution sounds good. But you also have to consider that the day may come when we need Israels support for sanctions or war or something else, and we may not get it based on our non-approval of their attacks. It’s hard to consider all of the nuances involved in diplomacy when we do not have every bit of the data needed to make a rational assumption. I like your ideas, but I would trust more the opinion of those tacitly involved in the process (repuke or democrackhead). I think our democracy was set up (with checks and balances) so that we can trust those we put in charge.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:10 pmBozo,
August 7th, 2008 at 4:14 pmGrow a set. People just like you were to cowardly to stop Adolph when he was making his plans perfectly clear to the world. Akmadenijad has repeatedly called for destroying israel. These are his exact words, from his mouth, on multiple occasions. While there will likely always be capitulators and cowards like you, thankfully Israel isn’t interested in your silly biased opinion on how they should best protect themselves from a country which consistently threatens them and who’s illegally building a WMD.
What Moslim documents link Islam to Abraham besides the Quran?
Ahh, so your holy book is literal truth but the Quran can’t be trusted?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:17 pmTherefore, Islam isn’t one of the Abrahamic religions?
I think historians and theologians would disagree with your classification there a bit. Actually, a bit wrong isn’t far enough… you’re a bitbit wrong on that one.
DribbleDick 9 Says:
Bozo,
Grow a set.
Coming from someone who has none, that’s quite funny!
People just like you were to cowardly to stop Adolph when he was making his plans perfectly clear to the world.
While people like you (and grandpa Bush) we’re financing him.
Akmadenijad has repeatedly called for destroying israel.
Complete and total lie, constantly refuted and proven here.
But, I guess if you keep saying this particular debunked talking point, eventually it’ll be true?
These are his exact words, from his mouth, on multiple occasions.
Lie! see above
While there will likely always be capitulators and cowards like you,
Says the one who won’t serve over in Iraq, who feels he/she is bravely fighting from a keyboard.
thankfully Israel isn’t interested in your silly biased opinion on how they should best protect themselves from a country which consistently threatens them and who’s illegally building a WMD.
Lie! Wrong! Lather! Rinse! Repeat!
Your composite grade: F
August 7th, 2008 at 4:21 pmfor failing to provide any proof to your argument, and using repeated lies.
I am recommending a repeat of the 8th grade.
TripleKick 9 Says:
gummitch
I know you are usually pretty dense and stubborn, so its not a surprise for me that you want to ignore that the UN Security Council has imposed sanctions mutiple times against Iran regarding their nuclear facilities. There’s little question that Iran wants a bomb, and they’re simply not going to have one no matter how much you want them to. Isn’t it predictable how the extreme left is always against Israel..
Oh, I had no idea you were concerned with UN resolutions. I suppose that means you support Resolution 181 that was to found a two-state solution in Palestine? And you certainly must be in support of Security Council Resolution 242, calling on the Israelis to withdraw from all of the Occupied Territories. And Security Resolution 338, which reaffirmed 242.
Isn’t it always predictable how “conservatives” conveniently ignore the UN unless there’s a ruling they think supports their own twisted ideology?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:24 pmI think our democracy was set up (with checks and balances) so that we can trust those we put in charge.
The Pentagon has made it as clear as they can that they believe this to be a bad idea.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:25 pmThe Congress is opposed to it. (Senate overwhelmingly so)
Only the executive branch has shown any interest in this pre-emptive attack… why should we trust them to do the right thing when they’ve been so consistantly wrong before (see Iraq conflict)
phantasymanINphantasyland Says:
RE 135 belac Says:
Your solution sounds good. But you also have to consider that the day may come when we need Israels support for sanctions or war or something else, and we may not get it based on our non-approval of their attacks. It’s hard to consider all of the nuances involved in diplomacy when we do not have every bit of the data needed to make a rational assumption.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:10 pm
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Oh, please. Israel always has been and will always be our lapdog. Somehow I don’t think they’re going to punish their sugar daddy if we don’t approve of their unprovoked assault on Iran.
Of all the rationales for the moronic war against Iran, this is perhaps the most idiotic.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:29 pmbelac Says:
Only the executive branch has shown any interest in this pre-emptive attack…
August 7th, 2008 at 4:25 pm
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Please don’t refer to it as a preemptive attack. It’s nothing of the sort. It would only be a preemptive attack if Israel had actionable intelligence that an Iranian attack was imminent. it’s not.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:31 pmbitblt Says:
What Moslim documents link Islam to Abraham besides the Quran?
Historical fact links them to Abraham, but I know you trolls are allergic to facts.
try this link:
August 7th, 2008 at 4:34 pmhttp://www.pbs.org/wgbh/globalconnections/mideast/themes/religion/index.html
Toaster:
August 7th, 2008 at 4:37 pmWe agree… normally it would be in quotes… I apologize.
DRxJ
Believe whatever fiction you like. You’re obviously not interested in the facts. However you are indeed wrong.
Destroy
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Gummich
I see that when you’ve been beaten, you try to change the subject. Fine, we can talk about UN resolutions now that you’ve conceded that Iran’s nuclear facilities are indeed illegal.
Moving on.
Yes, I do support most UN resolutions and sanctions, just like I supported resolution 1441 for example. However the problem with Palestine is not Israel, rather its the corrupt Palestinian administration. Anyway, if Israel wasn’t illegally attacked back in ‘67, we wouldn’t be having this discussion right now because they wouldn’t have seized the extra land from those who attacked them.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:42 pmIslam arose in the early seventh century C.E. in the settled desert community of Mecca (in present-day Saudi Arabia). It developed from both the Judeo-Christian tradition and the cultural values of the nomadic Bedouin tribes of Arabia.
Thanks!
August 7th, 2008 at 4:42 pmbit
TripleKick 9 Says:
Shouldn’t you be off dreaming of beating women right now?
Just leave the loofah in the car…
August 7th, 2008 at 4:47 pmRIGHT WING FELLATERS, ARE YOU PROUD??
Nothing but a bunch of mental midgets suffering from Napoleon complex.
Just a group of scared little pussies in reality.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:50 pmTripleKick 9 Says:
Gummich
I see that when you’ve been beaten, you try to change the subject. Fine, we can talk about UN resolutions now that you’ve conceded that Iran’s nuclear facilities are indeed illegal.
No change of subject necessary. You were the one claiming that Iran’s nuclear facilities were “illegal” and supported this by citing the UN. You still haven’t, of course, proven that any law exists, and typically, have avoided any response to the question of why Iran’s nuclear facilities are “illegal” while everyone else’s are presumably A-OK.
And, of course, no one would have attacked Israel in 1967 if they had followed the original UN plan for a two-state solution.
August 7th, 2008 at 4:51 pmWayne Says:
bitblt Says:
What Moslim documents link Islam to Abraham besides the Quran?
Historical fact links them to Abraham, but I know you trolls are allergic to facts.
try this link:
http://www.pbs.org/ wgbh/ globalconnections/ mideast/ themes/ religion/ index.html
At the above link:
Thanks!
August 7th, 2008 at 4:52 pmbit
It developed from both the Judeo-Christian tradition and the cultural values of the nomadic Bedouin tribes of Arabia.
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bit
Are you under the mistaken perception that this somehow proves that it is not an Abrahamic religion?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pmbelac Says:
It developed from both the Judeo-Christian tradition and the cultural values of the nomadic Bedouin tribes of Arabia.
Thanks!
bit
Are you under the mistaken perception that this somehow proves that it is not an Abrahamic religion?
August 7th, 2008 at 4:58 pm
Not at all. However, bit is not sure that a Moslem would say it develop from “the Judeo-Christian tradition.”
Do you think they would say this?
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
August 7th, 2008 at 5:02 pmbitblt Says:
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
Not when they are told this about infidels
August 7th, 2008 at 5:06 pm“O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. – 5:54″
bitblt Says:
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
You’ve honestly never heard “the people of the Book”? Seriously?
August 7th, 2008 at 5:07 pmgummitch Says:
bitblt Says:
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
You’ve honestly never heard “the people of the Book”? Seriously?
August 7th, 2008 at 5:07 pm
bit has heard of
However, the question remains:
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
bit is not surmising here. Where you?
August 7th, 2008 at 5:12 pmbitblt Says:
However, the question remains:
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
bit is not surmising here. Where you?
Why not ask a Muslim that question?
August 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pmBltbit… have you read “Bleeding for Allah” by Marcus Aurellias? If anyone who posts on this site had ever read it, I promise that their view of that religion and the region (namely Israel, Palestine, and the entire middle east) would drastically change. Unfortunately for us, it was written by a historian and not a “liberal”, so I’m sure they will skip over that book at the library.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:23 pmBTW if you have not read it, I highly recommend it. It’s a factual journey through history and what the Muslim religion has done, and plans to do.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:26 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Bltbit… have you read “Bleeding for Allah” by Marcus Aurellias?
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August 7th, 2008 at 5:23 pm
Thanks for the reference. I’ll throw it on the list…which is getting a bit long.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:29 pmgummitch Says:
bitblt Says:
However, the question remains:
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
bit is not surmising here. Where you?
Why not ask a Muslim that question?
Thought we were discussing your understanding of Islam, not mine.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:36 pmAugust 7th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
bitblt Says:
gummitch Says:
bitblt Says:
However, the question remains:
Would a Moslem say that Islam developed from Judeo-Christian tradition?
bit is not surmising here. Where you?
Why not ask a Muslim that question?
Thought we were discussing your understanding of Islam, not mine.
In other words, you didn’t really want an answer? I provided you a link to just such a response to your, apparently dishonest, question.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:45 pmNo U.S. Veto on Israeli strike
United States Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice on Thursday refrained from saying the U.S. would prevent Israel from mounting a much-touted attack against Iran over the Islamic Republic’s nuclear aspirations.
“We don’t say yes or no to Israeli military operations. Israel is a sovereign country,” Rice said in an interview with Yahoo! News.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:48 pmgummitch Says:
In other words, you didn’t really want an answer? I provided you a link to just such a response to your, apparently dishonest, question.
I have come to the conclusion that trying to have an intelligent conversation with these braindead trolls is like trying to nail a fart to the wall. Isn’t going to happen, lol.
August 7th, 2008 at 5:49 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Bltbit… have you read “Bleeding for Allah” by Marcus Aurellias?
While you are at it read: Heretics: The Bloody History of the Christian Church, by Dorion Sagan, for a comparison.
August 7th, 2008 at 6:02 pmWhen you are done with that, there are books chronicling most every major religions history.
Dorion Sagan? The Science fiction writer, son of Carl Sagan? Ooookaaay, sounds like a reputable historian to me… Did you miss where I pointed out that I don’t really read stuff by people without credentials. And why did you mysteriously leave out the Athiests murderous rampages throughout history? Oh I know… it doesn’t suit your purpose of hating religion. Got it!
August 7th, 2008 at 6:13 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
Dorion Sagan? The Science fiction writer, son of Carl Sagan? Ooookaaay, sounds like a reputable historian to me… Did you miss where I pointed out that I don’t really read stuff by people without credentials. And why did you mysteriously leave out the Athiests murderous rampages throughout history? Oh I know… it doesn’t suit your purpose of hating religion. Got it!
Atheists on murderous rampages? WTF are you on about now?
August 7th, 2008 at 6:18 pmIn the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people. But if you read HISTORY books not science-fiction you might have caught wind of some of this by now.
August 7th, 2008 at 6:27 pmphantasymanINphantasyland Says:
In the name of creating their version of a religion-free utopia, Adolf Hitler, Joseph Stalin, and Mao Zedong produced the kind of mass slaughter that no Inquisitor could possibly match. Collectively these atheist tyrants murdered more than 100 million people. But if you read HISTORY books not science-fiction you might have caught wind of some of this by now.
If you’d read anything beyond a fourth-grade level, you’d know that none of those people waged war in the cause of atheism.
August 7th, 2008 at 8:00 pmWhy do I always miss the partially consumed sandwich?
August 7th, 2008 at 9:25 pmTattoo, you still slithering around, trying not to get stepped on?
Back to licking McBush’s colostomy bag shit-heel.
August 7th, 2008 at 11:40 pm“We don’t say yes or no to Israeli military operations. Israel is a sovereign country,” Rice said in an interview with Yahoo! News.
A sovereign garrison of the US, more likely
August 8th, 2008 at 6:34 am