The Bush Administration’s Plan To Make The Endangered Species Act Extinct
The Bush Administration’s Plan To Make The Endangered Species Act Extinct
Today, the AP reports on new draft rules being proposed by the Bush administration to gut the Endangered Species Act. This would be the biggest change to the groundbreaking legislation since 1988, and would not require the approval of Congress.
Currently, federal agencies are required to consult with an independent agency — the Fish and Wildlife Service (FWS) or the National Marine Fisheries Service — to determine whether a project would harm an endangered species. The AP reports that under the new rules, agencies would simply be able to “decide for themselves”:
The Bush administration wants federal agencies to decide for themselves whether highways, dams, mines and other construction projects might harm endangered animals and plants. New regulations, which don’t require the approval of Congress, would reduce the mandatory, independent reviews government scientists have been performing for 35 years, according to a draft obtained by The Associated Press.
The draft rules also would bar federal agencies from assessing the emissions from projects that contribute to global warming and its effect on species and habitats.
This measure mirrors legislation proposed in 2005, by then-Rep. Richard Pombo (R-CA), a close ally of Jack Abramoff. Pombo proposed weakening the Endangered Species Act. Among other measures, Pombo’s bill would have eliminated review by the FWS or the Fisheries Service, allowing agencies to pursue unspecified “alternative procedures.” Pombo’s GOP-majority House cleared his bill, but it failed to go anywhere in the Senate. Bush is now bypassing Congress to push the legislation forward before he leaves office.
The Bush administration has been attempting to bypass or kill the Endangered Species Act for years. Recently, Homeland Security Secretary Michael Chertoff used his power to waive federal laws, including the Endangered Species Act, in order to expedite building the U.S.-Mexico border fence. Unclear if the new rules are the doing of Vice President Cheney, who has been maneuvering increased control over environmental policies.
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Hopefully someone is keeping a list of all these things somewhere so we can roll all of this crap back when the right people get elected.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:46 pmSome days I just want to cry; this administration is too much to bear sometimes.
January 2009 cannot come fast enough.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pmWhat???!!! doesn't he want to save himself??
August 11th, 2008 at 4:51 pmGOP environmental attitude since 1980:
What's wrong with extinction(of species)?
August 11th, 2008 at 4:52 pmNote, all those public private infrastructure projects don't need to be held up by scientific studies. It's but one brick in the wall of Disaster Capitalism.
The other is propping up the masters of corporations. New accounting rules, proposed by the SEC, deal with financial restatements. The plethora of restatements came from corporate executives cheating on their executive compensation, by back dating stock options. The widespread cheating cost shareholders dearly and few CEO's ended up in jail.
One last hint as to Bush clearing brush for business. A proposed rule allows foreign firms to list on American stock exchanges, but they must post their financials in English on their web site. They don't have to follow American financial or accounting standards, just translate their documents. Amazing!
August 11th, 2008 at 4:53 pmCaption - Bush: "This is your puppy? Watch me kill it and drink it's blood, I can do that and still not get impeached."
August 11th, 2008 at 4:54 pmConservatism should be at the top of the list of species that should be eradicated and extinct.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:56 pmLook at that pic ; sums up the stupid clusterfu(k of the last 8 years in the US .........
August 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pmWow! The middleclass is soooo f**ked now!
August 11th, 2008 at 4:59 pmobamagr8 Says:
So are we supposed to declare the polar bears as endangered because their numbers may drop some day due to shrinking ice caused by the consumption of fossil fuels - and then shut down every coal fired power plant in the country?
August 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
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Sounds good to me - the sooner we get off coal the better.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:03 pmNot content with all the damage he's done so far, Juniour has to break yet another thing before he leaves office! As I keep saying, there is Absolutely No bottom to this Cespool!
August 11th, 2008 at 5:04 pmImpeach Pelosi, Cheney and Bush and Save the Constitution!
Today, the AP reports on new draft rules being proposed by the Bush administration to gut the Endangered Species Act. This would be the biggest change to the groundbreaking legislation since 1988, and would not require the approval of Congress.
Well, if that's the case then Obama can just as easily put it back together again when he takes office.
But, I have a real problem with a President being able to do something this drastic without approval of Congress.
I fear that Bush will try to totally dismantle the government before he leaves office just to create utter chaos for Obama to have to deal with.
Congress, come back from vacation and start impeachment proceedings now. Your country needs you more now than they ever have. Please don't let us down.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:05 pmobamagr8 Says:
2. There is some question as to whether global warming is factual
August 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
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There is also some question as to weather the world is round and whether the heliocentric model of the solar system is accurate. Despite all evidence to the contrary, some stubborn people continue to believe that the world is a flat disk carried on the back of a giant turtle.
Should we wait until these last holdouts are convinced of the Earth's roundness before sending weather satellites into space?
August 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pmI predict the GOP will be a near endangered species (certainly not human) come this next election. And the world will be a better place.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pmobamagr8 would indeed be 'great' except that this maroon not only can vote, but presumably will vote.
But that's okay--one simply need ask when Obamgr8 is drowning in snow melt floods (or the expense of increased national insurance that results from it that the insurance companies insist is an Act of God for which they can't be held liable) then it will be totally okay to ask Obamagr8 their electoral choice to determine the aid they might get.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:06 pmHuman Beings might be on the endangered species list someday, but then again... since Bush is doing away with a "list", whose to know???
The Global Elite have been planning to reduce human population for a long time. One of those involved is Bush insider Henry Kissinger. I address this issue in my article:
The 9/11 Truth Movement, Free Energy Suppression and the Global Elite’s Agenda
August 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pmobamagr8 Says:
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2. There is some question as to whether global warming is factual
Shut up idiot! There is no question. I'm sick to death of you jackasses equating the propaganda of fossil fuel industry shills with scientific evidence developed by serious climatologists.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:08 pmGuido the Loving OBGYN Says:
They hate all things good! Why?! Do they think we cannot survive and be good stewards? They have no faith in God or themselves and it’s shameful.
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Thats a pretty accurate statement!
Anything that appears to help the poor, the middleclass, the environment, animals is quickly labeled as socialism or communism but these hypocrites sure love it when the government hands out corporate welfare and tax cuts for the wealthy.
As for their faith in God. I suppose some are decent if not misguided christians while the rest are only christian in name only. They pick and choose bible scripture to fit their warped agenda's. Why do christian extremists on the right have so much fear for the muslims and terrorists? Aren't they all going to be raptured up? Isn't God going to protect them. Hmmm it sounds like they don't have much faith in their God.
Just remember this little tidbit from the bible when you see Pastor Hagee or these other mega-rich evangelists preaching on TV in their mega-churches, Man can only serve one God, many on the right choose to serve Mammon.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:09 pmWhen it comes right down to it, I'd rather error in favor of preserving the environment than error in favor of destroying it.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pmraynman Says
August 11th, 2008 at 5:10 pm
When it comes right down to it, I’d rather error in favor of preserving the environment than error in favor of destroying it.
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Of course -- any sensible person would. However, we have people who believe The Rapture is right around the corner, so they figure it's OK to act like spring-breakers trashing a hotel room.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pmThe Bush Administration’s Plan To Make The Human Species Extinct»
Today, the AP reports on new draft rules being proposed by the Bush administration to gut the Human Species. This would not require the approval of Congress.
Currently, federal agencies are required to consult with an independent agency to determine whether a project would harm the human species. The AP reports that under the new rules, agencies would simply be able to “decide for themselves”:
The Bush administration has been attempting to bypass or kill the Human Species for years.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:15 pmObamgr8 (someone supposedly without an agenda that doesn't fir perfectly with the GOP): 1. No problem with bear population exists today
They can still shit in the rapidly diminishing tundra! No Prob!
August 11th, 2008 at 5:16 pmLook's like the thread troll is 8 ball....Oh well, we can't fix stupid...P,B. & J
August 11th, 2008 at 5:16 pmobamagr8 Says:
"There a solid reasons to modify the endangered species act. Take, for example, the polar bear. By most accounts, there are more polar bears in the world than there were a few years ago..."
what a fu(king idiot!
August 11th, 2008 at 5:23 pmdo the planet a favor and keep your genes to yourself.
Meanwhile the department of transportation quietly agreed to allow Mexican truckers to go deeper into the U.S.
Hmmm just a couple of thoughts:
1-Couldn't this be considered a national security risk? I mean couldn't these trucks with unchecked cargo be carrying in loads of meth, heroin, cocaine and weed along with illegal aliens, terrorists or dirty bombs?
2-Did anyone in our government stop to think how this will effect an already struggling U.S trucking industry?
August 11th, 2008 at 5:25 pmThere are only questions among reich-wingers that refuse to accept facts, data, science, and reality. The scientific community is much more qualified than any of your opinion-based hate mongers.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:26 pmTalk about poetic justic. After this upcoming election, WAAaaaaahhhhpppublicans will be an endangered species and there won't be anyone to protect them. What a shame.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:28 pm2. There is some question as to whether global warming is factual
~obamagr8
No, there isn't.
The only question is the extent to which humans have influenced global climate change. That there is a global climate change is undeniable.
Unless you are a flatearther, that is.
3. There is considerable evidence to suggest that shrinking polar ice caps are due to solar activity
The ice is melting -but there is no global warming?
Focus, obamagr8, focus...
4. Polar bears [...] breed in Alaska but spend the vast majority of their lives in international or Russian territory.
Wha?
There hasn't been an ice bridge over the Bering Straight for at least 10,000 years. And there is no record of such a polar bear migration.
The Bering Straight might look small in your map, but it's actually rather wide.
Although I have to give you points for creative stupidity.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:29 pmI heard that heroin use is on the rise again here in the U.S. and that agents at the border have already confiscated more heroin so far this year than from all of last year. So I guess the CIA drug running operation is going well via Afghanistan and with most of it coming from across the Mexican border it would seem that the timing of DOT allowing Mexican truck drivers to transport goods all over our country wuth minimal cargo inspections is a poor one.
August 11th, 2008 at 5:31 pmObama has to clean up another pile of elephant dung left by bush-cheney and the g.o.p..
August 11th, 2008 at 5:32 pmOnly 162 days left.
Bozo The Neoclown Says:
Talk about poetic justic. After this upcoming election, WAAaaaaahhhhpppublicans will be an endangered species and there won’t be anyone to protect them. What a shame.
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But unfortunately we will still be able to hear them whine and scream and point their fingers at President Obama accusingly for using all of his new presidential powers created by the Bushites! I can't wait to hear the hypocrites whine and complain!!!!!
Pure sociopaths, in every sense of the word. They don't have a moral, ethical fiber in their bodies. When is this nightmare ever going to be over?
August 11th, 2008 at 5:35 pmI wish Republicans were extinct.
August 11th, 2008 at 6:30 pm#Leftside Annie Says:
I wish Republicans were extinct.
Just wait Annie. It's happening right now and much quicker than they thought it would happen. That's why we are seeing so many Republicon trolls showing signs of panic and deteriorating mental abilities.
August 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pmonce extinguished, the law--like the animals it protects--will NEVER come back...
as to why: he who dies richest wins...and you don't win unless you have ALL the money...
no-limit poker is the ludic spirit of the age, the operating metaphor...
a BAAAAAD metaphor for culture...
August 11th, 2008 at 6:37 pmFrom obamagr8's link:
Investigators found that [former Department of the Interior deputy assistant secretary Julie] MacDonald -- who is not a biologist -- deleted and rewrote portions of the report by Fish and Wildlife Service scientists, reducing the extent of the threat that oil and gas drilling posed to the prairie dog. [...] The GAO report did not accuse her of any illegality; it merely raised strong suspicions that under her watch decisions that were supposed to be made on the science were tainted by politics.
The Politics of Endangered Species
Thanks for providing more evidence of the yet another low point in Bush's legacy, obamagr8: The distortion of science for political purposes. Oneheckuvajob.
August 11th, 2008 at 6:43 pmobamagr8 Says:
2. There is some question as to whether global warming is factual
3. There is considerable evidence to suggest that shrinking polar ice caps are due to solar activity
Stop, stop! People will think you have no idea what you're talking about. Take a few hours or days off from commenting and read something besides what is spewed by the Washington Times. Start here.
And, please, spare us the "climatologists are padding their results to get rich" crap. Try inserting [all researchers in all fields] into that sentence and see if it makes any sense at all. Compare the funding from government agencies for climatology research to the levels of funding by the petroleum industry and figure out which would be the quicker route to wealth.
August 11th, 2008 at 6:46 pmAn old man once told me that some of the Native Americans thought of a person's conscious as a triangular shaped stone in the middle of their chest with sharp edges.
August 11th, 2008 at 6:48 pmEvery time a person did something that they knew they shouldn't do, the stone turned a little bit in their chest causing pain. With each turn of the stone the sharp edges would dull ever so slightly. So that with every act that they knew they shouldn't do, the pain would be less because the stone would have rounded edges. After committing many bad acts there would be no pain at all because the stone would be round.
George Bush's stone is worn to smooth pebble.
And I used to think James Watt was the worst thing for the environment...
August 11th, 2008 at 6:51 pmDid we really need more proof that Reichwingers are effing insane? What's next? Regent U grads building nuclear power plants?
August 11th, 2008 at 6:53 pmBTW, for the benefit of our trolls, the bottom line is that each species the Earth loses decreases the chances of long-term human survival. The evidence is quite compelling that we are living during a mass extinction event and humans are making it worse. Weigh the profits/losses any way you wish, the simple fact is that we humans depend on the environment we are destroying for our survival.
P.S. Historically, mass extinctions hit the top of the food chain particularly hard and we humans are the top of the food chain.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:00 pmGregor,
Looks like obama8 has the same level of reading comprehension that its butt-buddy, Dubya has. I do enjoy it when the trolls provide the argument against their own posts.
But it sometimes is just too easy!
August 11th, 2008 at 7:01 pmOn the bright side. Since it appears that jellyfish are becoming the dominant sea creature, thanks to our killing off their predators, one could make a fortune if one came up with a way to turn jellyfish into fast food.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:04 pmI do enjoy it when the trolls provide the argument against their own posts.
They really can't avoid it unless they lie or quote Lush Rimjob.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:06 pmUpside99,
obamagr8 has a well-recorded history of not knowing what in the world he is talking about. He also has a knack for providing links to articles that debunk his own points.
obamagr8 probably didn't read past the headline. It's like taking a candy from a child ;-)
August 11th, 2008 at 7:09 pmPete and Gregor,
It has to hurt for trolls and the rest of the 23%ers to see what the future holds for them.
I bet the troll and NeoCon suicide hotlines will be ringing off the hook in November.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:21 pmVery true upside. It would really suck to be sold on the "permanent majority". Unfortunately, that makes them dangerous until they're kicked to the curb. This spiteful move by Chimpy is, I'm afraid, indicative of what we'll see until he's out of the White House.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:28 pmGroan. Stupid people. Stupid, stupid people. It should be illegal to be so stupid. Kempthorne wants to make sure nobody sneaks around and makes sure the planet continues to be able to support human life?
Oh, my lord. Make it stop. Make it stop.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:33 pmTroll suicide hot line? Heh
I bet some of them will cling on to the consoling thought that at least those evil WMD were found in Iraq.
Am tellin' ya: There is no fixin' stupid...
August 11th, 2008 at 7:45 pmobama8 says:
The question is whether reversing the emission of greenhouse gasses is the best way to protect them, or would it be better to find more ways to increase their land-based habitat?
So you are saying you agree with this last statement that greenhouse gases ARE the cause of Climate Change and we just need to find other ways to deal with it.
You are on sick MoFo! (And probably work in the oil industry.)
August 11th, 2008 at 7:46 pmobamagr8,
It would also help if you read beyond the first paragraph. From the article you quote, again:
The most disturbing thing about your May 5 polar bear piece is that it presents the views of the American Enterprise Institute (AEI) and Kenneth Green without any indication to the reader that AEI received more than $1.5 million from Exxon between 1998 and 2005. AEI is part of the Exxon-funded global warming disinformation campaign that has successfully manufactured a false "debate" about global warming. The "debate" about the causes of global warming so prevalent in the media is absent from the scientific literature: it has been manufactured, wholesale, by Exxon and groups like AEI that lie to the American people about global warming in order to reduce support for regulatory solutions.
Bear Necessities
Thanks again, for helps us show that the Bush administration has let politics (and money, lots of it, from special interests) influence policy decisions that should be based solely on science.
(I couldn't help but to notice you didn't provide a link this time. Too bad for you I am better than you at this google thing.)
August 11th, 2008 at 7:53 pmI’m not the guy who forgot polar bears can swim.
~obamagr8
I am fully aware that they can swim. But they are not marine mammals and 53 miles is a very long distance, even for a polar bear.
I see you conveniently left out the part where I mentioned that there is no record of such a polar bear migration.
August 11th, 2008 at 7:55 pmHere's a good illustration of why our trolls are so sadly misinformed; Obie thinks that the oil industry is the source for good scientific information about climate change.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:01 pm1. Atmospheric CO2 has risen proportionately to measured human emissions since accurate data was available.
2. Atmospheric CO2 is at an, at least, 150,000 year high. (It could be more than 800,000.)
3. Global average temperature is at a historical high and rising.
4. Many of the predicted effects of rising temps have been observed and a distressing number are progressing much faster than feared.
None of these assertions is disputed by credible sources. Draw your own conclusions.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:10 pmObie thinks that the oil industry is the source for good scientific information about climate change.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:01 pm
It's like going to Hannibal Lector for plastic surgery.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:12 pmBTW. This story goes waaaaaaay past global warming or emissions in general. This is about giving people who are not qualified the power to make arbitrary decisions. One would think that even Bushco would have learned what a bad idea that is by now.
Heck! With the geniuses Bush has appointed they'll probably adopt a policy of eradication of endangered species. It would fit the Reichwing mantra of, "spend money only to destroy", to a "T". It's cheaper to shoot 'em than save 'em.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:18 pmobamagr8,
I will repost your quote, but will try to type slowly for you:
[...]in fact, there are probably more polar bears alive now than a few decades ago, before the United States banned trophy hunting.
In other words, protecting a species can help it increase its population. Also, you should have quoted the rest of the paragraph:
But then last year the U.S. Geological Survey—which itself is part of the Interior Department—reported that if sea ice continued melting at the rate projected by current climate models, two thirds of the world's polar-bear population would be wiped out by the middle of the century. At the press conference announcing his decision, Kempthorne showed satellite imagery indicating that the Arctic ice cover last year fell to the lowest level ever recorded, 39 percent below the long-term average.
The Race for Survival
It seems quote-mining is a reichwinger's favorite pasttime.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:20 pmI'm trying to figure out why the troll thinks that the Endangered Species Act is about polar bears and nothing but polar bears. It thinks, apparently, that if it can prove a polar bear once crossed the Bering Sea, we should throw out the entire law.
And, obviously, hasn't bothered to read anything at the link I posted because, well, it would mean actually having to read more than a few sentences at a time.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pmLet me spell it out for you: A polar bear walks across the ice. He comes to a lead of a mile and swims it. Then he walks across more ice until he comes to more water. Repeat.
~obamagr8
Let me spell it out for you: There is no record of such a polar bear migration. Not just individuals, but a migration like the one you suggested ("breed in Alaska. Most of their lives in Russia").
That you were able to come up with that crackpot scenario doesn't men it happens anywhere but in your head.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:22 pmobamagr8,
the figures you posted do not lend any credence to the babble you wrote about polar bears breeding in Alaska, but spending most of their lives in Russia.
Until you can find such record, you can spare us the endless quotes and links to articles that do not prove your point.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:26 pmHere's the issue. Would you want a lawyer, appointed to a political position, to decide what your local power plant can pump out? How about deciding to open a landfill next to your school? How much lead is allowed in your water?
That's the kind of power Bush is looking for.
August 11th, 2008 at 8:36 pmobamagr8 Says:
2. There is some question as to whether global warming is factual
August 11th, 2008 at 4:57 pm
There is also a question among some on whether gravity is real so please go to a very high place, make sure no one is walking below (in case gravity is possibly real), and please jump you leg humping, Bush loving d-bag. How someone could so hate science to me is truly one of the mysteries of this world, but I don't care to solve it. Just jump you low life, trash, welfare recipient POS
August 11th, 2008 at 8:58 pmit is certainly feasible that some do.
~obamagr8
Just like it is conceivable that some of them enjoy a good giraffe steak from time to time and walk over to South Africa every once in a while.
But we don't have any evidence of that, either.
If they have a range of 130,000 SQUARE MILES, how could they not be in a variety of countries and land?
Sure, how could they not? That makes everything possible, I guess. Even that they could be found enjoying the surf in Southern California.
Now tell us again how there hasn’t been ice in the Bering Strait for 10,000 years.
Read again. I said an ice bridge in the Bering Strait. There isn't one now, and there hasn't been one since man crossed from Siberia to populate the American continent. Does the term Ice Age ring a bell?
August 11th, 2008 at 9:03 pmVery strange... every time this "Obamagr8" individual posts what it considers to be a salient point refuting something it believes "libs" hold dear, the refutation just spins around and slaps it upside the head...
Case in point... poor, confused Obamagr8" posts a comment about "radical environmental groups" and how, well, gosh darned evil they are... and doesn't seem to realize that its self-serving, artificially contrived designation "included the states California, Connecticut, Oregon, New Jersey, as well as the California Air Resources Board, South Coast Air Quality Management District, New York City, and the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection. "
So now states, too, are to be considered "radical environmental groups", according to Li'l Bami... man, it must HURT to live w/ that degree of confusion and cognitive dissonance inside yer head all day... day after day after day...
August 11th, 2008 at 9:03 pmUhm, are you trying to tell us that the states California, Connecticut, Oregon, and New Jersey, and the California Air Resources Board, South Coast Air Quality Management District, New York City, and the Pennsylvania Department of Environmental Protection -are all "radical environmental groups"?
Ok, then...
August 11th, 2008 at 9:05 pmThis one is also a gem:
The Center for Biological Diversity filed suit today to force Wal-Mart to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from new store construction as required by California law.
Yeah, those "radical environmental groups" -because you know compliance with the law is such a radical concept...
August 11th, 2008 at 9:08 pmIs this not treason and crimes against humanity? Nobody in congress is defending the earth--our only planet. Where are you going to go when all the other animals and many plants are gone? What are you going to eat--your money?? Makes those cheap Chinese shoes seem slimy, huh?
August 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pmHow cute. Our pet troll thinks that "radical environmentalists" can compete against the funding of the petrochemical and energy industry.
Almost a spit take.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:26 pmobamagr8 Says:
That’s not the issue at all - the radical enviros are using the polar bear as the poster child to raise money and as a front to accomplish their aims.
‘We need to save the starving polar bear’ - Never mind that the population is actually growing.
Never mind that that's not at all what is being said about polar bears.
That's from more of those "radical enviros". Uh, well, no.
‘Greenhouse gases are causing the polar ice cap to shrink’ - Maybe … or maybe it is solar activity.
You still haven't read any of the material at the link I provided, have you? Here's a specific article about solar activity. Don't blame us if you can't understand it.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pmEh. Screwed up the formatting. Sorry.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:36 pmI fear that this one is immune to reason, gummitch. It avoids topics like the plague and changes the subject when confronted. It's like arguing with a cat.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:40 pmobamagr8 Says:
Just jump you low life, trash, welfare recipient POS
Again with the namecalling. Your mom is going to be mad when she sees what you’re doing with her computer.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:35 pm Recommend (0)
One of those poor people in Cleveland who is losing his house (well your mom is, leaving you basementless) but you are too dumb to realize it's Bush and the GOP who are responsible and somehow blame the democrats. You hate America, science, and add nothing to this world. You just breathe air and I can guarantee you are collecting some sort of government assistance. Welfare queen
August 11th, 2008 at 9:48 pmI care very much about endangered species. But, how do I get a hunting license for RePugniScums?
They are useless varmits!!
Always gnawing on The Constitution and our freedoms!!
August 11th, 2008 at 10:22 pmThe Republic of Stupidity Says:
Very strange… every time this “Obamagr8? individual posts what it considers to be a salient point refuting something it believes “libs” hold dear, the refutation just spins around and slaps it upside the head…
What is going on with this dude's obsession with polar bears?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:23 pmHe spends an inordinate amount of time on polar bears.
It's downright bizarre, unless he's a zoologist or something.
Gregor, ya gotta read:
~obamagr8
I did read. And I read you listed the State of California as a "radical environmental group".
California law set a “goal” to be reached in 2050. The Center for Biological Diversity wants to reach it now.
Nowhere in the law suit does it say that the CBD wants to reach those levels now. Again, there are requirements on new stores construction:
The Center for Biological Diversity filed suit Wednesday to force Wal-Mart to reduce greenhouse gas emissions from new store construction as required by California law.
Here is a link to the newspiece, so everyone can read what we are talking about, instead of having to rely on your cherrypicking.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:28 pmUltimately, I am not sure I understand why you want anyone here to defend the CBD, and their position on polar bear hunting.
Fact remains that last year the U.S. Geological Survey [...] reported that if sea ice continued melting at the rate projected by current climate models, two thirds of the world’s polar-bear population would be wiped out by the middle of the century -regardless of the CBD's position on polar bear hunting.
Let's see if you can wrap your teeny mind around that.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:34 pmApparently you’ve read the suit so please post it so the rest of us can see if we reach the same conclusions.
~obamagr8
Oh, so you haven't read it? And you still feel like you can say "they want to reach it now" without knowing anything about it?
Wow... that's great intellectual honesty on your part.
Regardless, if you spent more time reading and less time copying and pasting (and trolling) you would've found the link to the transcript too.
This is the press release
This is the transcript
You're welcome.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:41 pmMan crossed the Bering Strait Land Bridge, umm, when it was land:
~obamagr8
And there is still no evidence of the great Alaska-Siberia polar bear migration -that you have backtracked on.
But you did try. I will give you credit for that.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:46 pmDoes the CBD seek to protect polar bears or not?
~obamagr8
I don't know, and frankly, I don't care.
I don't work for them -as far as I am concerned, if you have issues with their stance on polar bear hunting you can contact them here.
You are welcome.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:49 pmSee what I mean gang? This troll is certifiable. So frightened it might have to buy a car that only goes 50mph, someday, it can't see the danger in giving this kind of power to individuals operating outside their expertise. If they have any legit expertise to begin with.
And it absolutely refuses to address the topic of the thread. To misquote the Borg, "reason is futile".
August 11th, 2008 at 10:55 pmI never made that claim. You inferred it.
~obamagr8
I inferred it, because that is what you posted, you dishonest hack:
Polar bears are not American animals, per se, any more than the Siberian rubythroat is. They breed in Alaska but spend the vast majority of their lives in international or Russian territory.
Not only you wrote that, you defended it with subsequent posts on polar bear migration and their living range -even when I was clearly talking about a Siberia-Alaska cross.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:55 pmobamagr8 Says:
The primary threat to polar bears is the decrease of sea ice coverage. Although some females use snow dens on land for birthing cubs, polar bears are almost completely dependent upon sea ice for their sustenance. Any significant changes in the abundance, distribution, or existence of sea ice will have effects on the number and behavior of these animals and their prey.
That’s odd, the Defenders or Wildlife say polar bear den onshore in ANWR:
Further proof that the troll cannot read. Polar bears do den onshore, and the first paragraph states that very clearly.
polar bears are almost completely dependent upon sea ice for their sustenance.
If simple sentences baffle the troll, why expect to ever explain anything more complicated to it?
August 11th, 2008 at 11:12 pmThe right is as disgusting bunch of lying,cheating and corrupt politicians as you can get, but this takes the cake no congressional approval will be needed to change the laws.Phuck you SHRUB..... This country needs the endangered species act to keep what we have so people like you and the rest of your FILTHY conservatives can`t get to them for OIL and COAL.Alternative energy is on the way and the right can`t stop it so they are pulling out all of the stops and will destroy what they will without regards to anyone or anything.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:51 pmoh goody! see how easy it is! happy news!
Endangered Species Act Changes Give Agencies More Say
Washington Post - 1 hour ago
By Juliet Eilperin The Bush administration yesterday proposed a regulatory overhaul of the Endangered Species Act to allow federal agencies to decide whether protected species would be imperiled by agency projects, eliminating the independent ...
AP IMPACT: Bush to relax protected species rules The Associated Press
Plan takes scientists out of decision making on species status MSNBC
well isn't that special...
August 12th, 2008 at 12:17 amNote the black and white thinking of our specimen. For some reason a fixation on the results of protecting polar bears has blinded the subject to the possibility that oil production could still continue.
It could be as simple as drugging threatened bears and relocating them. As noted earlier, polar bears have huge ranges so the number threatened is small.Even by large operations.
And despite the mascot status of polar bears, intelligent people are aware that environmental protection isn't for the benefit of plants and animals. It's for the benefit of humanity.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:41 amI knew pete would handle this situation with both ease and intelligence...
August 12th, 2008 at 12:44 amWhy thanx dbadass. It is, as you know, one of my favorite subjects. And I'm not a fan of misinformation or rigid thinking.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:48 amI am just bummed that it was posted just as I was leaving for work. I expected more lunatics complaining about fantasy job losses and all sorts of hinderances of the poor peoples by owls, and darters, and the like. I miss the old days of the truly deranged climate deniers and their global hoax claims
August 12th, 2008 at 12:56 amI think it has something to do with their growing desperation. They keep getting beaten down on every point so they stick to goofy premises.
G'night dbadass and all good people.
August 12th, 2008 at 1:02 amYou too trolls.
Take care pete and best...
August 12th, 2008 at 1:05 amSo Democrat legislators support the Center for Biological Diversity in their quest to get the polar bear listed as endangered
~obamagr8
Uhm, obamagr8, polar bears are already listed as endangered under the Endangered Species Act.
Secretary of the Interior Dirk Kempthorne today announced that he is accepting the recommendation of U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service Director Dale Hall to list the polar bear as a threatened species under the Endangered Species Act (ESA). [...] This rule, effective immediately, will ensure the protection of the bear while allowing us to continue to develop our natural resources in the arctic region in an environmentally sound way.
Secretary Kempthorne Announces Decision to Protect Polar Bears under Endangered Species Act
I suppose Bush's own Department of the Interior also "supports" your dreaded Center for Biological Diversity.
Also, I realize making stuff up is a whole lot easier than knowing the facts, but you should try once in a while.
Once again, you have no idea what you are talking about...
August 12th, 2008 at 1:06 amJebus. Polar bears are already protected. And the exploration for oil can continue. No either/or dilemma.
Who knew!
August 12th, 2008 at 1:26 amHi obamagr8
August 12th, 2008 at 1:33 amI am thinking you might be a species of special concern...
Regardless of what the Center for Biological Diversity wants to do -and that nobody is defending here- fact remains that the Bush administration is trying to get rid of the independent reviews that government scientists have been performing for years.
That is the issue. Your obsession with the CBD is rather bizarre...
August 12th, 2008 at 2:01 amgood grief!!! Seem obamagr8 is a COMPLETE idiot . . . been trackin' his scat like a warm Inuit on a winter day . . . unbelievable parsing of fact and bullshit. His posts, like a fat boy trying to find his wiener on a fidget morning, appears to be a wasted effort . . . most cheery picked "facts" would hardly pass Miss Caron's Science course essay test (and she was a softy for copious amounts of sincere bull shit delivered in quantity, not quality). These flatearth folks amuse me . . . hope they don't breed.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:07 amOh, and one more thing, obamagr8,
For all your piss-poor attempts at fearmongering over what "radical environmental groups" want to do, fact remains that the changes proposed by Pres Bush to the Endangered Species Act do not require approval from Congress -and so there is little those pesky "radicals" (like the states of California, Connecticut, Oregon, and New Jersey) can do about it.
You knew this because you clicked on the link and read the article, right? Or did you once again put your head down and proceeded to spew rubbish like you usually do?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:33 amDefinately a species of special concern...
August 12th, 2008 at 2:39 amJust once, admit you were wrong.
~obamagr8
Sure, I was wrong to use the term "endangered" when I should have screwed said "threatened".
But that is nothing compared to your doocies about questions on whether global warming is happening -at only to follow it with "considerable evidence suggests that shrinking polar ice caps are due to solar activity". Or how about the polar bears breeding in Alaska but spending most of their lives in Russian territory? You know, because polar bears like to go island hopping. That one is so ridiculous it's laughable.
Just once, admit you were wrong. Because you have been wrong. More often than not. And I am not even bringing back the whole discussion on whether the Hummer is civilian. That one was a good one too...
August 12th, 2008 at 2:58 amThese flatearth folks amuse me . . . hope they don’t breed.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:07 am
I kinda hope they do breed. So they can be there to watch their kids trying to grow gill-slits...ooops, that didn't work...Oh, drat...
August 12th, 2008 at 4:37 amSince when are polar bears the only species faced with survival challenges. The real forgotten endangered species are those plants we derive so many valuable compounds from. All species at risk warrant the strongest possible protections but obamagr8's polar bear infatuation is growing tiresome
August 12th, 2008 at 10:34 amAh, the hallmark of the intellectually dishonest hack: Complete inability to admit they made a mistake, even when they have been repeatedly proven to be wrong.
Taking refuge in semantics, eh? Well, it won't change the fact that there is no evidence of any such migration, whether to international or Russian territory (notice the use of the word 'or').
As for global warming, it doesn't change the fact that you flip-flopped faster than McCain on a bad day.
You are patently pathetic, troll.
August 12th, 2008 at 12:59 pm