ThinkFast: August 11, 2008
ThinkFast: August 11, 2008
The Russian military has expanded its attacks on Georgia, bombing the capital, Tibilisi, and “moving tanks and troops through the separatist enclave of South Ossetia and advancing toward the city of Gori in central Georgia.” The maneuvers “suggest that Russia’s aims in the conflict had gone beyond securing the pro-Russian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to weakening the armed forces of Georgia.”
“The White House stepped up its criticism of Russia for escalating the conflict in Georgia, with President Bush warning Monday that Russia’s ‘disproportionate response‘ is unacceptable and Vice President Cheney adding that the crisis threatens long-term relations between Moscow and Washington.”
Iraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari “insisted Sunday that any security deal with the United States must contain a ‘very clear timeline’ for the departure of U.S. troops.” Zebari “said U.S. and Iraqi negotiators were ‘very close’ to reaching a long-term security agreement that would set the rules for U.S. troops in Iraq” after the UN mandate expires at year’s end.
Iraq’s private sector, particularly its small non-oil economy, “has so far failed to flourish as its American patrons had hoped.” As a result, the Iraqi government “has been sustaining the economy the way it always has: by putting citizens on its payroll.
On the trail today: Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) is in Erie, PA with former governor and campaign co-chairman Tom Ridge. Today they will tour a GE Transportation locomotive plant and speak to employees in a town-hall format. Sen. Barack Obama (D-IL) is currently on a week-long vacation in Hawaii.
“Through June, 57% of active-duty soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen had served in or near Iraq and Afghanistan,” up 50 percent from 2006, part of an attempt to “spread the burden on forces strained by multiple deployments.”
The Department of Homeland Security “swept aside evaluations of government experts and named Mississippi…a top location for a new $451 million, national laboratory to study some of the world’s most virulent biological threats.” Experts had ranked the site “14th among 17 sites in the U.S.,” but it is “home to…lawmakers with sway over the agency.”
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) plans to hold a fundraiser next week in Atlanta with Ralph Reed, the founder of the Christian Coalition and onetime associate of Jack Abramoff.
A group of activists is trying to register tens of thousands of newly eligible felons, stating that “former offenders have been unfairly disenfranchised for decades. … Despite massive registration efforts, the presidential campaigns of Sens. John McCain and Barack Obama have not designated anyone to go after the group.”
And finally: Over the weekend, President Bush met with some American athletes competing at the Olympics, including volleyball players Misty May-Treanor and Kerri Walsh. After a “good play, in the tradition of female volleyballers, May-Treanor turned, bent over slightly and offered her bikinied rear-end for the 43rd president to slap. ‘Mr. President,’ she said, ‘want to?’” The LA Times reports that Bush “wisely chose instead to brush his hand across the small of May-Treanor’s back.”
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Anti Obama Group PUMA Gets Scary
I started out covering PUMA, dedicated to defeating Barack Obama, out of a fascination with the apparent cognitive dissonance required to go from rabid Hillary Clinton supporter to John McCain voter. For me, it is enough to strip away the disingenuous mission statements, hidden agendas, and PR posturing, and focus on what they do: to smear Barack Obama. Darragh Murphy’s PUMAPAC is the political wing of the Pumas, and a great example of the deception, delusion, and defamation at work in the PUMA/JSND movement.
Here’s the scary part. PUMAPAC is shooting a “documentary” called “”The Audacity of Democracy,” and they’ve released a ten minute trailer. I was chilled by the first minute. I have been trying to figure out, for the life of me, what is funny about a lunatic soliciting the murder of a presidential candidate. To talk about the murder of a presidential candidate, with no context other than 9 minutes of rants against that candidate’s “movement” seems a little bit irresponsible.
It was then that I realized what bothered me about it. It is one thing to oppose a political candidate, even to dislike one, but the relentless attacks of the PUMA crowd, and Darragh Murphy, go beyond that into fearmongering, and they belie their stated mission of reforming the DNC and combating misogyny. Their attacks go from the idiotic (he thinks he’s better than us!), to the scurrilous, to the frighteningly absurd (he’s a fascist), and even racist (check out this Michelle Obama poster from a PUMA-affiliated site). All of this is in service to whipping the rank-and-file PUMAs into an anti-Obama frenzy.
I know that Darragh Murphy knows better than to think that the “Obama Movement” is out to kill her and her followers, something she explicitly suggests on her website. From conversations with Puma insiders, it is clear to me that the top cats are much more interested in a pro-business agenda than in protecting the rights of ordinary women.
Their courtship of the McCain campaign is mainly a lever to gain more from the DNC, are already granted by the Democrats. The only difference is power and influence. Others in the Puma coalition are nothing more than Republicans opportunistically scooping up angry Pumas, winding them up, and pointing them at their opponent.
http://news.aol.com/political-machine/2008/08/09/puma-gets-scary/
“GOD WILL GUIDE THE HAND OF JUDGMENT THAT WILL STRIKE YOU DOWN!” This is the title on Darragh Murphy website and she is saying in the blog that “THE OBAMA MOVEMENT’S CALL FOR DEATH TO WOMEN WHO OPPOSE HIM WATCH”. Along with a picture of Obama that they have made to look like a messiah. Their tactics are sickening and reprehensible. Darragh and Will Bower have “become celebrities wherever Democrats are hated, most notably on Fox News.” ( To see the “trailer” YouTube video check out the link above.)
Another message they are plastering all over the internet is that Dean is playing favorites. These sites are shameful and offensive. The Puma’s and the Denver Group are running ads to strike out at Howard Dean. (http://pumaalliance.wordpress.com/2008/08/07/support-the-denver-group-new-ad-today-in-michigan-and-florida/) “Howard Dean as chairman of the DNC is supposed to be both impartial and objective. The feeling of most of Senator Clinton’s 18 million voters is he was not. It would be the least he could do for the candidate who won more votes than any Democratic primary candidate in history.” (They are referring to placing Hillary’s name in nomination; to see the full ad check out the link.)
Howard Dean & Obama have bent over backwards to make these groups happy and it’s never good enough. I’m angry that no one has come out to defend him yet. Dean has worked tirelessly; during his first six months of 2005 he raised roughly $86.3 million, an increase of over 50% on the amount raised during the same period of 2003. Dean has done more for the DNC than any previous chairman, these outrageous attacks are unfounded, if these women put half of this energy into important issues (Cindy Sheehan campaign, Violence Against Women, and rights of children with mental or emotional disorders) image what could be accomplished.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:02 amOpec income hits record as oil prices soar
Opec nations earned as much in the first half of this year as they did in the whole of 2007 – thanks both to record oil prices and record production – triggering a big increase in its spending.
Members of the Saudi ¬Arabia-led oil exporters’ cartel took home $645bn (£335bn, €430bn) between January and June, just below the record $671bn they earned last year, according to the US department of energy.
At the current pace, Opec nations would earn about $1,245bn this year, a record.
The recent 20 per cent drop in oil prices below $120 a barrel is unlikely to damp the earnings significantly, as higher output will offset the impact.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/b0172576-670b-11dd-808f-0000779fd18c.html
August 11th, 2008 at 9:03 am“The White House stepped up its criticism of Russia for escalating the conflict in Georgia, with President Bush warning Monday that Russia’s ‘disproportionate response‘ is unacceptable…”
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Oh, the irony…
August 11th, 2008 at 9:03 amThe Wall Street Journal is endorsing Obama’s economic policy:
Barack and the Buck
The underreported economic news of the week is that Barack Obama favors a stronger dollar. Even better, he thinks a stronger greenback would help to reduce oil prices.
This ought to be a bigger story. In linking the dollar to oil prices, Mr. Obama is pointedly at odds with the Bush Administration and Federal Reserve, both of which blame high commodity prices on supply and demand, despite falling demand due to slower global growth. Fed officials — in particular, Vice Chairman Donald Kohn — have expressly rejected any strong link between the dollar’s collapse and the oil price surge since last August.
This conveniently absolves the Fed and Bush Treasury of responsibility for the consequences of what has been their destructive and all but explicit dollar devaluation strategy. If the Illinois Senator rejects greenback debasement, that’s the best news to date about Obamanomics.
We don’t know who is whispering in Mr. Obama’s ear about the dollar, but he’s on to a rich political vein. Americans know instinctively that something is wrong when the Canadian loonie is worth more than the greenback. Over to you, John McCain.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB121815226803922393.html
August 11th, 2008 at 9:05 amSupreme Court of Canada to hear Wal-Mart anti-union case
Case accepted by top court on behalf of two employees who lost jobs when Wal-Mart store closed in Quebec
The Supreme Court of Canada has agreed to hear two cases of union busting alleged by former employees from a Wal-Mart store in Jonquiere, Que. The complaints say the Arkansas-based retail giant violated the Quebec Labour Code and the right to freedom of association when it closed the store in April 2005 rather than sign a union contract with employees.
Unionized employees were negotiating their first collective agreement at the time. Wal-Mart claimed the closure – which cost 190 workers their jobs – was decided because the store was unprofitable. Polls at the time showed that few people believed the company’s line.
The United Food and Commercial Workers (UFCW Canada), which represented the workers, called the Supreme Court’s decision to hear the case a victory. “When the Supreme Court accepts to hear you, it’s because the case is of national interest,” said Louis Bolduc, executive assistant to the UFCW’s national president.
The matter is not expected to come before the top court until 2009. Since the Jonquiere closing, employees at two other Quebec locations – a Wal-Mart store in St. Hyacinthe and a Tire & Lube garage at the Wal-Mart in Gatineau – have joined the UFCW.
The St. Hyacinthe workers are currently in binding arbitration, trying to reach their first collective agreement. In Gatineau, an arbitrator is poised to impose a history-making collective agreement.
http://www.nupge.ca/news_2008/n11au08b.htm
High premiums and deductibles keep 57 percent of their workers unable to afford the health care coverage. Which leaves only 43% with coverage well below the national average of workers covered by employer health insurance is about 60 percent. Wal-Mart also covers less healthcare costs than its competitors. In a state analysis, Wal-Mart covered only 52% of total health care premium costs compared to K-Mart which covered 66%, Target which covered 68%, and Sears which covered 80%. The reason most employees can not afford Wal-Marts company health care;
The average worker would have to pay one fifth of his paycheck for health care coverage at Wal-Mart. On a wage of about $8 an hour and 29-32 hours of work a week, many workers must rely on state programs or simply live without health insurance. Another reason, in Wal-Mart’s employee health plan, deductibles range from $350 to as high as $3,000 for family coverage.
The company’s annual revenues top $350 billion — roughly a third of a trillion dollars! That’s not far from the gross domestic product of Saudi Arabia. These greedy SOB’s are never going to take care of their employees unless they get unionized. Hopefully, the employees here will take a cue from their Canadian counterparts.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:05 am“The White House stepped up its criticism of Russia for escalating the conflict in Georgia, with President Bush warning Monday that Russia’s ‘disproportionate response‘ is unacceptable…”
bbbuuuttt…bbuutttt, he looked into putin’s eyes…
August 11th, 2008 at 9:07 amThe Russian military has expanded its attacks on Georgia, bombing the capital, Tibilisi, and “moving tanks and troops through the separatist enclave of South Ossetia and advancing toward the city of Gori in central Georgia.” The maneuvers “suggest that Russia’s aims in the conflict had gone beyond securing the pro-Russian enclaves of South Ossetia and Abkhazia to weakening the armed forces of Georgia.”
Even though this is no different from us attacking Iraq, watch the Cons become outraged at Russia’s actions. They will be unable to see why what we did to Iraq was just as appalling to the international community and those of us here who have an objective viewpoint, and a conscience, as this now is to them.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:07 am“The White House stepped up its criticism of Russia for escalating the conflict in Georgia, with President Bush warning Monday that Russia’s ‘disproportionate response‘ is unacceptable and Vice President Cheney adding that the crisis threatens long-term relations between Moscow and Washington.”
I see it’s happened already…
Hypocrites!
August 11th, 2008 at 9:08 amNow that the Cheney admin has established, ex post facto, that regime change is a legit casus belli, that international law is to be ignored, that the UN need not be considered as arbiter, I’m thinkin’ Pooty-Poot’s got his eye on Georgia as the prize.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:09 amMore Evidence of U.S. Complicity in S. Ossetia Invasion
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
August 10, 2008
The president of South Ossetia claims mercenaries took part in Georgia’s offensive against the breakaway republic, according to Russia’s RIA news agency. Eduard Kokoity says Ukrainians, people from the Baltics as well as nationals from other countries were involved.
At 10 minutes, 30 seconds into this video, a South Ossetian woman claims Georgian troops had American emblems.
As the corporate media in the United States covers volleyball at the Olympics in China and pours endlessly over the marital infidelity of CFR darling John Edwards, the media in Russia is reporting the war in South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
Earlier today, RIA-Novosti’s Russia Today TV broadcast a report detailing possible U.S. involvement in the conflict. Eduard Kokoity, the president of South Ossetia told Russia Today Ukrainians and mercenaries from the Baltics as well as nationals from other countries were involved in the fighting, as “foreigners have been found among their bodies.” Dmitry Medoev, the South Ossetian envoy to Russia, confirms this claim. “In yesterday’s most recent tank attack, the advancing tanks were supposedly crewed by Ukrainians. Two unidentified bodies found today are said to be black, possibly they are Americans, but we can’t say for sure yet.”
Russia’s Daily Online newspaper, Kommersant, also reported the presence of foreign mercenaries:
Authorities in the unrecognized republic of South Ossetia claim that dark-skinned mercenaries took part in the attack on Tskhinvali, reports RIA Novosti, citing representative of the South Ossetian president in Russia Dmitry Medoev. He said there were bodies of many Georgian soldiers on the streets on Tskhinvali. “There were blacks among the dead, who were probably either mercenaries or instructors in the Georgian armed forces,” Medoev said.
South Ossetian President Eduard Kokoity had said earlier that mercenaries were fighting with the Georgian forces. That information has not been confirmed in Tbilisi.
Last month, the United States, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Armenia, and Ukraine conducted Immediate Response 2008, a joint training exercise said to be in “spirit of the NATO Partnership for Peace program,” according to Blackanthem Military News. Immediate Response 2008 was held at the Vaziani Military Base in Georgia.
In another report, a woman interviewed by Russia Today in Tsknivali, South Ossetia, talked about the presence of Georgian troops with American insignias. “There are lots of bodies over there, a lot of people have been killed, mostly Ossetians, but also Georgians, they had American emblems on their forearms and they were in black uniforms,” she said.
Black uniforms are a trademark of Blackwater and DynCorp mercenaries (see Chris Hedges, America’s Holy Warriors). DynCorp’s presence in Eastern Europe is well documented, particularly in occupied Bosnia where it engaged in sex-trafficking and prostitution.
In a Friday press conference, Chairman of Russia’s State Duma Security Committee Vladimir Vasilyev said without U.S. aid, Tbilisi would have been unable to start military operation in South Ossetia. “The further the situation unfolds, the more the world will understand that Georgia would never be able to do all this without America,” said Vasilyev. “In essence, the Americans have prepared the force, which destroys everything in South Ossetia, attacks civilians and hospitals.”
It is entirely feasible the U.S. has “prepared the force” with mercenaries as well
August 11th, 2008 at 9:14 amSen. John McCain (R-AZ) plans to hold a fundraiser next week in Atlanta with Ralph Reed, the founder of the Christian Coalition and onetime associate of Jack Abramoff.
The Republican Presidential candidate usually doesn’t come to Georgia. I see Obama’s strategy to make McCain put energy and effort into states that are red is working….
What’s funny is that most Conservatives here are more of the Libertarian type and really don’t like McCain. Not that it makes them more willing to vote for a ‘black man’, but they do have Bob Barr, which is still a vote for Obama.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:15 amThe NYT this morning tells how the VA has backed & is now enforcing a law that bans voter registration in VA facilities.
This is disturbing, to say the least. This from the article…
The department offers two reasons to justify its decision. First, it claims that voter registration drives are disruptive to the care of its patients. This is nonsense. Veterans can fill out a voter registration card in about 90 seconds.
Second, the department claims that its employees cannot help patients register to vote because the Hatch Act forbids federal workers from engaging in partisan political activities. But this interpretation of the Hatch Act is erroneous. Registering people to vote is not partisan activity.
1 more example of how the Bushstapo supports the troops…
August 11th, 2008 at 9:15 amVice President Cheney adding that the crisis threatens long-term relations between Moscow and Washington.
A collective “Yeah , sure” was heard emerging from the Kremlin…….
August 11th, 2008 at 9:21 amPresident Bush Not So Good With American Flags
So, apparently, even after seven years, President George W. Bush still hasn’t learned how to correctly display the American flag. Glorious. We still have to pay him a salary, out of our stimulus packages, apparently.
(There is a photo of him holding up a poster-sized flag – backwards!)
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/08/10/president-bush-not-so-goo_n_118037.html
August 11th, 2008 at 9:21 amOkay let’s get this out in the open, as although it’s been discussed, I want to share my 2 cents:
I’m disappointed in the decisions that John Edwards has made, especially his lying about the extra marital affair during his presidential campaign.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:21 amWhy we feel compelled to know each intrinsic detail of a candidates life is beyond me. But, I guess, a philandering president is not acceptable, while a failed business man who misleads the country into war, and approves of torture, is.
That being said, I would like any of the antagonists here (or even the agonists) to please explain how a non entity in the 2008 presidential bid is such a major news story. And why does McCain get a pass?
Because if we are to judge Edwards pre-presidential bid character, should we not also judge McCain’s current character?
“Sen. John McCain (R-AZ) plans to hold a fundraiser next week in Atlanta with Ralph Reed, the founder of the Christian Coalition and onetime associate of Jack Abramoff.”
Also known as scumbagfest 2008.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:22 am“Vice President Cheney adding that the crisis threatens long-term relations between Moscow and Washington.”
And grampy mclame drumming for russia being thrown out of the G-8 isn’t?
August 11th, 2008 at 9:23 amIraqi Foreign Minister Hoshyar Zebari “insisted Sunday that any security deal with the United States must contain a ‘very clear timeline’ for the departure of U.S. troops.”
Must be another “translation error”….
August 11th, 2008 at 9:26 amNot only is Edwards against gay marriage — he is also against straight marriage…
August 11th, 2008 at 9:26 amAnd I wish this Corporate Controlled Lamestream Press would shine a light on all the skeletons in McLoser’s closet…
August 11th, 2008 at 9:28 am“The White House stepped up its criticism of Russia for escalating the conflict in Georgia, with President Bush warning Monday that Russia’s ‘disproportionate response‘ is unacceptable and Vice President Cheney adding that the crisis threatens long-term relations between Moscow and Washington.”
It’s interesting that Bush finds Russia’s response “disproportionate”, but when Israel does something similar, it’s just peachy. I guess “disproportionate” is defined by which side of the fence you are on.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:30 amDRxJ Says: Because if we are to judge Edwards pre-presidential bid character, should we not also judge McCain’s current character?
With Republicans, it’s only bad if someone else did it. It’s okay if you or your cohorts did it.
Plus, liberals just don’t care about other people’s sex lives the way Conservatives do. Ity’s why we don’t care about McCain’s sex life (ugh anyay), and they are enthralled by Edwards’s.
Besides, a person’s sex life really has NOTHING to do with his or her politics. Look at Clinton, JFK, MLK, Lincoln, Jefferson – they all strayed, yet they are some of America’s most important political personalities.
I don’t condone what they did to their wives, but really, with all the issues we have in the world to day that need our attention, this one has just gotten too much of it as it is. Let’s get back to discussing our economy…
August 11th, 2008 at 9:31 amU.S. and Iraqi negotiators were ‘very close’ to reaching a long-term security agreement that would set the rules for U.S. troops in Iraq” after the UN mandate expires at year’s end.
I wonder why the Iraqi government is so determined to work out a deal with the Bush Administration. They only have to wait six months to be dealing with Obama. On the other hand, since Bush is working this “treaty” without Congressional approval, I don’t think that Obama will be honor-bound to follow any agreement that Bush makes with Iraq.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:32 am10. Kay Says:
More Evidence of U.S. Complicity in S. Ossetia Invasion
Kurt Nimmo
Infowars
Interesting, although truth is usually the first victim in a war and everything has to be taken with a grain of salt, it is interesting to see what the Russian and other foreign media are reporting because we know we’re not going to get much from the U.S. media.
I don’t think they are capable of it even if they had a desire to report this story.
It’s also interesting that Bush doesn’t let this interfere with his playtime, much like his response to the Aug 6, 2001 Bin-laden memo and Katrina.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:33 amThe only thing he ever allowed to interfere with his vacation time was the Terri Sciavo crisis.
He is amazing, if nothing else.
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says: I don’t think that Obama will be honor-bound to follow any agreement that Bush makes with Iraq.
Let’s hope so. In fact, Bush has no honor. His corporate mentality does not allow him to even think about fairness for all…it’s all about their prophet; profit.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:36 amIraq’s private sector, particularly its small non-oil economy, “has so far failed to flourish as its American patrons had hoped.”
Where’s the incentive for setting up business in a war-torn occupied country that has electricity maybe 5-6 hours a day? Besides, where are people supposed to get the money to set up a private business? Other than corrupt government officials, most people in Iraq are having a hard time feeding their families.
If the Iraqi government was serious about encouraging private business, they need to take some of their 79 billion in profit from oil and offer it to the citizens of Iraq as a low-interest loan to get them started in business.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:36 amIt would be nice if the MSM spent a tenth of the time investigating candidate John McCain’s Vicky Iseman scandal that they have on non-candidate John Edwards.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:38 amRe: Edwards
We could be in the middle of WWIII but CNN woild be interviewing someone that worked in a hotel (i.e.) that saw Edwards go into with “the other woman”.
Our focus is so screwd up. Call it bread and circus, while this Kriminal Admin continues to bait Iran and continues to destroy this country, the Sleazy Profit Driven Press goes on and on about the sex life of a former senator.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:38 amToday they will tour a GE Transportation locomotive plant and speak to employees in a town-hall format.
Today they will tour a GE Transportation locomotive plant and speak to employees in an “invitation only” town-hall format with only pre-screen questions allowed.
There, I fixed it for them.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:38 amThe Department of Homeland Security “swept aside evaluations of government experts and named Mississippi…a top location for a new $451 million, national laboratory to study some of the world’s most virulent biological threats.” Experts had ranked the site “14th among 17 sites in the U.S.,” but it is “home to…lawmakers with sway over the agency.”
No surprise here, they have a new rule that says they are allowed to disregard expert opinions. So what is the point of having any expert recommendations at all??? To prove their superiority or the fact the no one’s opinion matters but their own.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:40 amOTTAWA (AFP) — Canada says it has scientific proof of its territorial claims over a vast portion of the Arctic, amid debate between northern nations over sovereignty in the oil-rich region.
Canada says science backs up its Arctic claim
Natural Resources Minister Gary Lunn said Friday joint research with Denmark had found that the undersea Lomonosov Ridge is attached to the North American and Greenland plates, directly challenging a Russian claim.
“The need to demonstrate our sovereignty in the Arctic has never been more important, which is why our government has made this research a top priority,” Lunn said in a statement.
Five countries that border the Arctic Ocean — Canada, Denmark, Norway, Russia and the United States — dispute the sovereignty of the region’s waters.
The US Geological Survey believes that the Arctic region contains 90 billion barrels of oil just waiting to be explored.
http://afp.google.com/article/ALeqM5hmVFCDa7pIO5cduyMtpYCEdgfR5w
August 11th, 2008 at 9:40 amThrough June, 57% of active-duty soldiers, Marines, airmen, sailors and Coast Guardsmen…
I wonder why the left out National Guardsmen? I am interested to know what percentage of the troops in Iraq are made up of National Guardsman? It’s really sad what the Bush Crime family has done to our military, especially our National Guard. I’m thinking that the Guard is having a hard time recruiting people these days, now that Bush has set the precedent that the National Guard can be used as regular soldiers and sent to war. That is certainly NOT what the people in the National Guard signed up for.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:41 amOh lighten up Freedom Rebel, so they’re going to put “the world’s most virulent biological threats” in the path of hurricanes in a state that has no experts in the field. What could possibly go wrong?
August 11th, 2008 at 9:43 amAnti Obama Group PUMA Gets Scary…
What I find interesting is that Hillary Clinton has not condemned this group. I wonder why that is.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:45 amThe feeling of most of Senator Clinton’s 18 million voters is he was not.
These PUMA people are operating under the misconception that there are 18 million people in this country that think Hillary Clinton is our best bet for President. That is not true. There were millions of people who were suffering from “buyer’s remorse” by the time the campaign was over. If every one of those 18 million people had voted on the last day of the primaries, Hillary Clinton would have been defeated handily.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:48 amunbelievable Says:
I don’t condone what they did to their wives, but really, with all the issues we have in the world to day that need our attention, this one has just gotten too much of it as it is. Let’s get back to discussing our economy…
Exactly. The Presidency is a job and people need to ficus primarily on competence.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:49 amIf you had a choice of a skilled mechanic working on your car or a skilled plumber working on your house, but they cheated on their wives wouldn’t you still prefer them to incompetent boobs who never cheated on their wives, but will destroy your car or flood your home.
I’m not saying character has no weight, but let’s be realistic about the job.
We shouldn’t be electing a fantasy leader.
We should be electing a national mechanic/plumber to troubleshoot and apply technical skills and preventive maintenance.
#35 Shayne Says:
Oh lighten up Freedom Rebel, so they’re going to put “the world’s most virulent biological threats” in the path of hurricanes in a state that has no experts in the field. What could possibly go wrong?
Good Morning Shayne :) That is the first thing I thought of when I read the article. I suggest all people living in that area move to an assured safe distance from the designated site. OMG what a bunch of complete idiots.
Good to see you and I hope you had a great birthday….
August 11th, 2008 at 9:50 amAre Hillary & ‘Puma’ going to try & throw a wrench into the Democratic convention?
Nothing would make McTopless happier. The MSM would devour dissent in this setting with glee.
I don’t believe Hillary will, but with both her & Bill speaking, anything is possible.
I wonder if she’s leveraging for VP behind the scenes…she sure hasn’t been on the radar screen for awhile.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:51 amSecond, the department claims that its employees cannot help patients register to vote because the Hatch Act forbids federal workers from engaging in partisan political activities. But this interpretation of the Hatch Act is erroneous. Registering people to vote is not partisan activity.
And the next thing that will happen is that bed-ridden vets will not be allowed to vote in the November election. The VA personnel will consider voting to be a “partisan activity”.
Someone needs to step in and challenge this. Where is the ACLU?
August 11th, 2008 at 9:56 am#36 Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says:
Anti Obama Group PUMA Gets Scary…
What I find interesting is that Hillary Clinton has not condemned this group. I wonder why that is.
That is one of the things that has upset me most. She has to know how unhinged some of these people are. To make some of the wild claims they are making proves that. I realize they are small factions, but still it is a destructive message to be sending. Especially when it is suppose to be about Party Unity and healing the rift. I don’t see any healing going on; I see anger and resentment. She needs to send a message that she doesn’t endorse these kind of tactics.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:57 amflavorino Says: We shouldn’t be electing a fantasy leader.
Whose fantasy was Bush? :)
Another example to add to yours is George Bush. He probably hasn’t cheated, but he’s a blundering idiot that has ruined our nation.
Though, as there are always exceptions – with Obama, we will be getting both character and competence at the same time!
August 11th, 2008 at 9:57 amBilbo Hussein Baggins Says: Where is the ACLU?
Aren’t they fighting the FISA law?
August 11th, 2008 at 9:59 amKay Says:
Not only is Edwards against gay marriage — he is also against straight marriage…
Give it a rest Kay. If Edwards was against marriage, he would have left his wife. He didn’t do that. Are you going to make Edwards your new screed to go off the rails again?
August 11th, 2008 at 9:59 amFreedom Rebel Says:
The Department of Homeland Security “swept aside evaluations of government experts and named Mississippi…a top location for a new $451 million, national laboratory to study some of the world’s most virulent biological threats.” Experts had ranked the site “14th among 17 sites in the U.S.,” but it is “home to…lawmakers with sway over the agency.”
Sounds like the situation in NY when Guiliani put the NYC Emergency Management Center in Bldg 7 of the World Trade Center instead of on high ground in Brooklyn like the experts recommended.
August 11th, 2008 at 9:59 amSometimes it’s better to follow the advice of experts.
unbelievable Says:
Bilbo Hussein Baggins Says: Where is the ACLU?
Aren’t they fighting the FISA law?
Yes they are and thanks for reminding me it’s time for my monthly contribution to the ACLU. But, they can be involved in more than one cause at a time.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:07 amThemis Says:
… and those in the ObamaNation closet.
Those skeletons in Obama’s closet must be really well hidden since the Republicons haven’t been able to find them. Too bad so sad.
So troll…you have no problems with your presidential pick having cheated on his disabled wife and then abandoning her for his new sugar mama?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:09 am#46 flavorino Says:
Sounds like the situation in NY when Guiliani put the NYC Emergency Management Center in Bldg 7 of the World Trade Center instead of on high ground in Brooklyn like the experts recommended.
Sometimes it’s better to follow the advice of experts.
Good Morning flavorino :) I agree.
We just have to get Republicans to start putting the citizens well being first over their vested interest. I know it will be a cold day in hell before that happens.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:09 amThemis Says: But quite frankly, I don’t think it received less than half of the coverage it would have received if it had been the #2 or #3 Republican presidential primary contender.
You really don’t think before you sepak, do you?
McCai8n is teh #1 Republican in this race and he cheated on his wife, more than once. He left her, while she was ill, for a younger heiress.
Sheesh, you Cons relly are unbelievable.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:10 amThemis Says:
But quite frankly, I don’t think it received less than half of the coverage it would have received if it had been the #2 or #3 Republican presidential primary contender.
You are so full of it. Please let us know what was the last Republicon scandal that received 24×7 coverage for days at a time. I’m really interesting to know what it was.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:10 amoh, of course… now it’s edwards’ fault…
Wolfson: Edwards’ Cover-up Cost Clinton the Nomination
ABC News – 3 hours ago
By BRIAN ROSS and JAKE TAPPER Sen. Hillary Clinton would be the Democratic presidential nominee if John Edwards had been caught in his lie about an extramarital affair and forced out of the race last year, insists a top Clinton campaign aide, …
(you can find it… gag)
August 11th, 2008 at 10:11 amFreedom Rebel Says:
“We just have to get Republicans to start putting the citizens well being first over their vested interest.”
That would go against their core value principle of, “party before country”
August 11th, 2008 at 10:12 amThemis Says: … and those in the ObamaNation closet.
Such as? If Clinton couldn’t dig up anything on Obama, you half-wits sure won’t.
Obama hasn’t cheated on his wife. Isn’t that all that matters to you sex-depraved losers?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:12 amunbelievable Says:
Obama hasn’t cheated on his wife. Isn’t that all that matters to you sex-depraved losers?
It only matters if it’s a Democrat. Sheesh.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:14 amThemis Says:
“35 years ago, before Obama even started snorting cocaine?”
Those who live in glass houses…remember the drunken cokehead in chief at 1600 penn?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:16 amgummitch Says: It only matters if it’s a Democrat. Sheesh.
You know, since Obama and both Clintons are moderates, I wonder what they would do if we actually ran a liberal???
August 11th, 2008 at 10:16 amuh, it’s a bit worse than stated above (cheeeney)…
Russia and Georgia Hostilities Escalate Dramatically
[...] Bush has branded a ‘dangerous escalation’” but of course that didn’t stop warhawk Cheney from talking tough:
If any of this has left anyone confused, thankfully the NYT’s James Traub has a very good rundown on how this all managed to unfold so far.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/11/russia-and-georgia-hostilities-escalate-dramatically/
August 11th, 2008 at 10:16 amThemis Says
August 11th, 2008 at 10:05 am
But quite frankly, I don’t think it received less than half of the coverage it would have received if it had been the #2 or #3 Republican presidential primary contender.
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Actually, if it had been the #2 or #3 Republican presidential primary contender, it probably would have received no coverage at all. The #1 Republican presidential primary contender only got scant mention in the press about the rumors about his relationship with Vickie Iseman. And we’re talking about a known philanderer.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:17 amThemis Says: 35 years ago, before Obama even started snorting cocaine? No. Ancient history on both counts.
Again, what does your made-up nonsense have to do with the fact that the conservative WSJ just endoresed Obama’s economic policy over McCain’s?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:19 am#4
Why ya gotta get all personal, dude?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:19 amabout obama’s vacation… havent read the comments,
but i’m guessing you’ve heard about this:
Cokie Roberts attacks Obama for going to Hawaii instead of Myrtle Beach
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/10/cokie-roberts-attacks-obama-for-going-to-hawaii-instead-of-myrtle-beach/
August 11th, 2008 at 10:20 amUPDATE 8/10/08, 12:30pm PT: Pelosi admits not even having read the Articles of Impeachment filed against George W. Bush
Second half of post:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=6259
**WTF??? She hasn’t even read them??? I can’t even comment because I am so beyond furious. Contribute to and support Cindy Sheehan today. This is beyond unreal!
August 11th, 2008 at 10:21 amThemis Says: If you are honest with yourself you will recognize that this Edwars story was absolutely burried by the MSM until Edwards had to finally come out and admit that he had been lying about it. Even then, it got less than half the press it would have gotten if it had been Huckabee or Romney.
In journalism, you’re suposed to wait for the facts. FOX Noise, however, did talk about this story without any real evidence. A lot.
Again, if McCain, the #1, gets no coverage, then why would the #2 or #3 get even more coverage? They wouldn’t.
Typical Republican hypocrisy, and lack of basic mathematical and logic skills.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:22 amkaty Says
August 11th, 2008 at 10:20 am
Cokie Roberts attacks Obama for going to Hawaii instead of Myrtle Beach
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Because visiting one’s grandmother is such an elitist thing to do — right?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:23 amjeez… those PUMAs are sicker than i thought…
August 11th, 2008 at 10:23 amAww, Thermos the Themeless is here to make sure we all know he’s still a quivering coward that still supports the GOP and their gaggle of thieves.
It must suck for you to keep shaking in your boots knowing that President Obama is going to end all the wasteful, harmful, counterproductive Cheney Administration policies.
Poor little right wing sissy.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:27 amThemis Says: The WSJ published an editorial from an independent writer. It has published editorials from both sides of the political spectrum. That is hardly an endorsement.
You just ignore the facts that don’t fit with your little fantasies and rationalize them away, don’t you. You should get therapy for your fear of reality, which we know, has a liberal bias.
You didn’t answer my question.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:27 amThemis Says
August 11th, 2008 at 10:22 am
As you saw with the Edwards story, denials of an affair get very little coverage. It is only when the denials are proven to be lies (as with Edwards and Bill Clinton) that the story gets legs.
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As it should be. In the first place, one’s sex life SHOULDN’T get coverage, and it especially shouldn’t get coverage if the only “news” on the subject comes from a source like the National Enquirer.
It’s interesting that you compare Bill Clinton and John Edwards. What they have in common was that their sex lives should never have been an issue. However, Bill Clinton was the President of the United States at the time of his indescretions, and John Edwards was (and is) a private citizen who holds no elective office and is not running for any elective office. So while I disagree with the press focus on Clinton’s sex life a decade ago, I can understand it. I can’t understand the obsession with Edwards’ sex life, which is clearly none of our business.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:29 amThemis Says: One is a fresh story, so it gets coverage.The other is a 35 year old story.See the difference?
No. McCain is running for President, Edwards is not even in politics anymore. McCain, being a political contender, is far more relevant than someone who isn’t running for anything.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:30 amDRxJ
August 11th, 2008 at 10:35 amI happened to catch a few minutes of CNN this AM with their own Ted Baxter (aka John Roberts) interviewing Mike Papantonio. Pap brought up the McCain affair and Roberts was quick to tamp him down with it being “old news” and Edwards story is “today.” Baxter (I mean Roberts) was aided by a rightwing talk show host. Papantonio was persistent, but eventually cut off at the end, with the RWer having the last word — SSDD.
Themis, your obsession with Edwards’ sex life aside, don’t you realize what a partisan hypocrite you are?
Or are you just blinded by your overwhelming fear?
You big govt republicans make me sick with your cowardice and greed.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:37 amCokie Roberts should be ashamed of herself – the blatant shill for the repugnicans.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:37 amHawaii is “exotic” and “elitist” while Myrtle Beach would have been a better choice? Except that Obama’s aging grandmother lives in Hawaii – except that he grew up there – except that his grandfather’s grave is there.
These repugnicans are nauseating.
Themis Says:
If news broke about Mike Huckabee or Mitt Romney having an affair, would you consider that newsworthy?
Frankly it would be between them, their wives and their gay prostitutes and none of the media’s business as far as I am concerned.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:44 am#71 katy Says:
jeez… those PUMAs are sicker than i thought…
Good Morning Katy :) Good to see you.
I take it you watched the YouTube video? Very scary… The sad fact that they don’t realize the agenda of the top executives of Puma is alarming. Most haven’t done any research or the ones that have are completely ignoring it. Darragh gave money to the McCain campaign in 2000.
The Denver Group is less volatile, more unhappy with the DNC rules & angry about sexism in politics (namely how Hillary was treated). Bill Clinton’s angry speech that he made in May does help either. Here is part of it:
…..”What did the Democratic National Committee do? They obliterated them. Who cares if you wanted to get up there with these other states because you’ve been broken by this economic policy of the current administration. We’re gonna show you who’s boss. We are obliterating you from the face of the earth and pretending that your voters did not vote. You just have to know, that is the position of your national party. Nobody quarrels with their right to discipline them. They made a decision they did not have to make. And do you seriously believe, if the votes had been the other way, that they would have made the same decision?” Clinton asked a crowd in Owensboro.
This speech just added fuel to the fire and wiped most of them into a frenzy. That is part of the reason the movement gained strength IMHO.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:45 amunbelievable Says:
Opec income hits record as oil prices soar
Economists are describing it as the largest transfer of wealth in history, and most of it is flowing to the OPEC nations, many of which are active supporters of terrorism. All thanks to Bush and the neocon cabal that is ruining our country.
Anybody who supports this outcome as policy is a traitor to the United States.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:46 amThemis Says:
“What matters to me is his putting his wife out there as a central figure in his political ambitions…”
Answer me this themis, were you so sympathetic towards elizabeth edwards when angry trannie annie coulter was on the war path attacking her?
August 11th, 2008 at 10:46 amin case anyone missed this, you really ought to read these articles about that “other woman”… she’s kinda loony…
i asked yesterday, “is this Edwards’ monica?”
uh, yeah! yeesh…
What Rielle Hunter Told Me
A seeker and a New Age spiritualist, John Edwards’s other woman believed she could help him make history.
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hoo boy! here’s another:
Edwards’ affair? My fault
How my energy fueled Rielle Hunter into a scandal.
http://www.latimes.com/news/opinion/sunday/commentary/la-oe-miller10-2008aug10,0,6388212.story
poor john… bet he didn’t even know what hit him…
poor dumb john…
August 11th, 2008 at 10:46 am…
Themis Says: He is clearly a public figure.
No. He is a possible public figure. Thanks to America’s hatred of sex, he is not speaking at the convention now and will not be a VP candidate.
McCain, however, is.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:47 amRantingTommy Says:
Themis, your obsession with Edwards’ sex life aside, don’t you realize what a partisan hypocrite you are?
Like most republicans that don’t have a sex life, he has to obsess with other’s sex life.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:47 amThemis Says: I couldn’t care less about Edwards sex life.
Then why have you posted a dozen comments about it?
Actions speak louder than words.
Who gives a crap if Romeny or Huckabee cheat. Unless it’s with an under age child, as seems par for the Republican course…
August 11th, 2008 at 10:50 amMarie Says: These repugnicans are nauseating.
It really is all they have – petty nonsense and their desperation to be in control of everything no matter what they have to do.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:53 am#67 And the beat goes on Says:
UPDATE 8/10/08, 12:30pm PT: Pelosi admits not even having read the Articles of Impeachment filed against George W. Bush
**WTF??? She hasn’t even read them??? I can’t even comment because I am so beyond furious. Contribute to and support Cindy Sheehan today. This is beyond unreal!
Good Morning :) I am so disappointed in Pelosi that this doesn’t surprise me a bit. She has proved to be just another corporate shill. I hope the Cindy Sheehan wins. She deserves a chance to help make the changes we so vitally need in Congress. I can envision her being allies with Kucinich.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:53 amThemis Says
August 11th, 2008 at 10:43 am
I couldn’t care less about Edwards sex life. What matters to me is his putting his wife out there as a central figure in his political ambitions, telling us all that he is a man to be trusted, and then breaching that trust by continually lying until there was absolutely no way he could lie about it any more.
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It sounds to me as if you care a great deal about Edwards’ sex life, even though he’s not even relevant in politics anymore. And you have a rather skewed perspective of the situation.
First, Edwards never “put” his wife anywhere. Anywhere Elizabeth Edwards was, was exactly where SHE wanted to be. Elizabeth is a force to be reckoned with in her own right, and isn’t about to allow herself to be manipulated.
Second, you have said a number of times so far in this thread that Edwards “continually” lied about this affair. I remember he denied the affair when the National Enquirer first broke the story. Then he had no further comment on it until he admitted it was true. Oh, and since the Enquirer didn’t even report on this until well after Edwards had dropped out of the race, Edwards wasn’t lying about his sex life while he was campaigning, even though you are implying he was.
Nice try at wingnut spin, but you fall far short. Try another subject. Or better still, try another website.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:53 amVerbalKint Says: All thanks to Bush and the neocon cabal that is ruining our country.
I’d post a photo of him holding hands and kissing Saudi officials, but you can’t do that here…
The only hope I have left for our nation is that Obama gets elected and immediately begins a giant alternative fuels project that creates jobs, clean energy, and detaches us from the middle east.
August 11th, 2008 at 10:56 amThemis Says:
This thread is not about Edwards’ sex life.
Then why do you keep trying to make it about Edward’s sex life?
Thats all you have posted about in this thread, freak.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:00 amAuthorities in the unrecognized republic of South Ossetia claim that dark-skinned mercenaries took part in the attack on Tskhinvali, reports RIA Novosti, citing [a] representative of the South Ossetian president in Russia Dmitry Medoev. He said there were bodies of many Georgian soldiers on the streets on Tskhinvali. “There were blacks among the dead, who were probably either mercenaries or instructors in the Georgian armed forces,” Medoev said.
Through his Ossetian puppet, Putin’s sticking a greasy thumb in to Bush’s eye, with this statement. He’s telling George that he must invade Ossetia, because there are outside forces at work, attempting to overthrow a duly-elected government. And what can The Cowboy King say about it, without looking hypocritical?
August 11th, 2008 at 11:01 amThemis Says:
If it is conservatives that care so much about a politician’s sex life, why is it the Democratic party that has dropped Edwards like a hot potato?
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Because GOOPers have managed, through their endless, overblown, faux moral outrage, to turn the subject matter into quite the radioactive poison pill, much like gay marriage. Considering the number of closeted GOOPers, you’d think they’d be all for it – they could finally quit living lies and come out of the closet, huh?
August 11th, 2008 at 11:03 amThis thread is not about Edwards’ sex life. It is about progressives wringing their hands over their perception that the MSM has given this story too much coverage and Edwards’ fall from Democratic party political grace.
Wrong. This thread is a catch-all, where any topic can be discussed.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:03 amThemis Says: If Edward’s sex life means nothing to progressives, then you should stand behind him and insist that he still speak at the convention and be considered for VP. Will you do that?
The thread isn’t about Edward’s sex life, but is all you’ve talked about.
No, I won’t insist he be VP. I think he would be a much better AG. I will support him for that.
Problem is, I’m not a Democrat. They aren’t liberal enough for me, so I really don’t care who does or doesn’t speak at their convention.
But, how about you standing up to McCain on his economy and oil policies? Hmmm? Hard to do when you don’t actually think for yourself, isn’t it? Just easier to lock step and repeat the conservative mantra.
Better yet -w hy don’t you try contributing to an actual discussion for a change instead of these poinntless ad hominen attacks over nonsense?
August 11th, 2008 at 11:03 amThemis Says:
Why hasn’t the Democratic party stood by Edwards and said, hey, we don’t care about your sex life. We’d still like you to speak at the convention, and you are still a top condender for VP?
Why not ask them? You’re wasting keystokes, at this point.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:16 amRE: Articles of Impeachment, Pelosi, the bookstore…
C&L carried this story… i have to say, i agree with this guy:
Medford Tim Says:
WTF?? Much as I dislike Pelosi and want her to be gone from Congress, you can’t DO this!
Pelosi says she “hasn’t read” Articles of Impeachment!
Listen to that part again – he asks if she has a comment about what he handed to her and she – quite naturally – responds “This? I haven’t read it yet.” Did the guy make it clear he was handing her Kucinich’s Articles? Not the way I heard it. How would YOU respond if someone asks you what you think of something right after he hands it to you?
Stick with blaming her for REAl stuff. There’s enough of it there. stop reaching with this kind of idiotic “gotcha” crap gone wild.
and this guy (2 very much the minority judging by comments):
JTM Says:
Maybe my ears and eyes aren’t so good, but the guy handed her something and then asked if she had a “comment on that” to which she replied that she hadn’t read them.
If you handed me something – even if, once I checked, it was something I’d read before – and then asked for my immediate comment, I’d say the same as she did.
This is the age of pathetic gotcha websites and you tube. No-one is going to comment on something that they were just handed. And, no, they won’t take your word that it’s something they’ve already seen.
just sayin’…
August 11th, 2008 at 11:17 amvia C&L blog roundup:
What You Should Know About The Associated Press and What You’re Not Learning From Them
http://www.thepeoplesvoice.org/cgi-bin/blogs/voices.php/2008/08/05/p27496
August 11th, 2008 at 11:33 amSen. John McCain (R-AZ) plans to hold a fundraiser next week in Atlanta with Ralph Reed, the founder of the Christian Coalition and onetime associate of Jack Abramoff.
It shopuld be easy for McCain to raise money now, not being constrained by ethics or legality.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 11th, 2008 at 11:34 amThemis Says:
Why hasn’t the Democratic party stood by Edwards and said, hey, we don’t care about your sex life. We’d still like you to speak at the convention, and you are still a top condender for VP?
From all the schedules I have seen Edwards was never on the list to speak at the convention.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:38 am#105 Katy point taken about the video. But remember on June 8, 2008 Kucinich introduced his articles to the House and at the end of July or beginning of August Pelosi said:
Pelosi Again Claims to Have No Evidence of Crimes: This Time in Time Magazine
Submitted by davidswanson on Fri, 2008-08-01 14:01. Impeachment
Quoth the Speaker:
“I took it off the table a long time ago. You can’t talk about impeachment unless you have the facts, and you can’t have the facts unless you have cooperation from the Administration. I think the Republicans would like nothing better than for us to focus on impeachment and take our eye off the ball of a progressive economic agenda.”
http://www.afterdowningstreet.org/node/35197
I maintain that the video might not prove anything, but how could she have said what she said after reading them? Just sayin’…
August 11th, 2008 at 11:39 amThemis Says
August 11th, 2008 at 10:55 am
If Edward’s sex life means nothing to progressives, then you should stand behind him and insist that he still speak at the convention and be considered for VP. Will you do that?
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I will always stand behind Edwards’ ideas and his ideology. His thoughts on the number of people living below the poverty line in what should be the richest country in the world will always be valued.
I do not particularly want Edwards to be considered for VP, but that has nothing to do with him or his sex life. Edwards has already been there, done that, and gotten the T-shirt, and I suspect that Obama will be looking for a fresh face to be on the ticket with him.
As far as speaking at the convention, I have no problem with that, and I would defend the idea of his doing so. He has a lot of things to say that America would benefit by hearing. But remember that John Edwards really has no official role in this convention — he is not a candidate, not a delegate, and not a superdelegate. And he was none of these things even before his sex life became public. So he really hasn’t fallen from grace, nor has he been “dropped like a hot potato”.
August 11th, 2008 at 11:39 amThemis Says:
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Why hasn’t the Democratic party stood by Edwards and said, hey, we don’t care about your sex life. We’d still like you to speak at the convention, and you are still a top condender for VP?
August 11th, 2008 at 11:05 am
Did an anvil fall out a 4th floor window and bash you in your shit-laden head years ago ?
1st off ; the Democratic party DOES NOTdecide who Obama’s VP will be.
Obama does.And Edwards was never on his short list.
And why should Edwards be the one speaking ?
Are Joe Biden , Richardson , Dodd , Kucinich or Mike Gravel one of the scheduled speakers ?
Jesus . you’re such a GOP tool…………
August 11th, 2008 at 11:44 amfeingold fans – this is depressing…
Russ Feingold Makes John McCain’s Day
Either Russ Feingold is the most naive politician in America, or he just doesn’t care who wins in November.
He says that he’s for Obama but is out there calling John McCain a “maverick by nature” and saying “the notion that somehow (McCain) is going to get in there and be some kind of ideological Newt Gingrich right-winger is a joke. There’s no way that he would do that.”
It gets better. Here’s some more choice Feingoldisms on McCain:
http://www.jedreport.com/2008/08/russ-feingold-m.html
August 11th, 2008 at 11:47 amYa win some, ya loose some and a whole lot get rained out,,,living in washington state I think of that often, especiely since I am a fair weather person…
Great post all except the troll…I keep remembering the comedian’s line,”You can’t fix stupid”…
The PUMA thing is scary, wonder if the letter’s mean People under medical attention, if not they should be. In straight jacket’s locked up some where..
Thank’s for the link Katy about Feingold, another sad to read post, but all information is important .
Unbelievable, noted a sentance from your #102 post…In part they are not liberal enough for me,,,dito..I use to think they were but now know they are not…Not even close..
Saw “The fire next time” yesterday…Was feeling a lot out of sort’s so settled for a movie…While it drug on a lot it reminded me of the unrest here, Katrina and many thing’s that can and may happen…
Sorry for the length..Another sad note, we lost Issac Hayes yesterday. Music and musician’s are the soul of a country as far as I am concerned and the passing of one is a sad note…
P.B & J all…..As you go about your Monday remember to hug some one, tell some one you love them, it may be the last chance you have..
August 11th, 2008 at 12:30 pm…..As you go about your Monday remember to hug some one, tell some one you love them
The last time I did, they got a court order against me. :)
August 11th, 2008 at 12:42 pmThemis says: Why Democrats? Why ddn’t you stand by your man?
Because if he was at the convention, then all the infotainment news media would talk about would be his sex life. To satisfy morons like yourself.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:44 pmGood post’s Keith..LOL…Poor troll, preoccupied with Edward’s sex life…That is so last week new’s…Guess he has nothing else to write about…Envy causes the troll to derail for day’s….Go get laid dumbass and give the info to red state…..P. B, & J every one else.
August 11th, 2008 at 12:52 pmWay back in post #16 this morning, I made a simple request.
I now repeat it, as Themis(fullofshit) seems to be our troll du jour.
I would like any of the antagonists here (or even the agonists) to please explain how a non entity in the 2008 presidential bid is such a major news story. And why does McCain get a pass?
It’s really rather simple. How can the media give McCain, a presidential candidate, the maverick, high horse status, when he DID THE EXACT SAME THING??
August 11th, 2008 at 12:55 pmDRxJ, and it seem’s he may have done it more than once with the little traveler of late….First wife, mistress, second wife, affair…I just don’t get it and glad I didn’t, these women going for that wrinkled ugly little man….Ick!…..P.B. & J
August 11th, 2008 at 1:13 pmWitch1, That’s right. I’ve found that if you have sex once in a while then you don’t obsess over it like Themis.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:22 pmWell, the dishonesty of it all. The PUMA website deleted my comment. I stated that they were not really Democrats and that they were behaving like Republicans and if they were really unhappy with the Democratic Party then they should switch parties. They couldn’t handle the truth so they removed my comment.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:26 pmHit witch1 – yeah, it’s not the old man McCain’s looks or personality or sense of humor that would attrach women. Must be his power and money. Oops… Cindy shouldn’t hear about other women going after HER money.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:28 pmThemis Says:
If it is conservatives that care so much about a politician’s sex life, why is it the Democratic party that has dropped Edwards like a hot potato?
Simple, Democrats do not tolerate sexual infidelity, especially in cases where the spouse is suffering from a grave disease or crippling injury.
August 11th, 2008 at 1:30 pmBack at ya Cats…Have a great day..P.B.& J
August 11th, 2008 at 1:37 pmSimple truth about Georgia and Osetia
What is happening now?
Osetia is a small ethnicity between Russia and Georgia. We have only 100 thousands of people and 2 thousands of them already died because of ETHNIC CLEANSING by Georgians.
What it is happening now is simple GENOCID of Osetians by Georgians.
Who started the war?
Georgia has started the war and genocide by coming to the capitall of Osetia with tanks and cannons. They started to bomb civilians in the small city. And they killed 2000 of them in 3 days!!! All dying people you see in the newspapers – are Osetian defenceless civilians dying from massive shelling. Moreover Gergians also killed many OSCE peacekeepers who stayed on the border and tried to protect Osetia.
Why they do all that?
Osetia has beautiful lands near the coast of the Black Sea. From ancient times Georgia wanted to take those lands. They never ruled Osetia. Georgians already tried to perform mass killings in the past. All we could do to protect ourselves and our lands is to ask our another neighbour – Russia to stop Georgians.
How they could do that?
Why American newspapers and TV doesn’t tell the truth? Why 2 weeks before this attack American soldiers and instructors came to Georgia and made training to Georgian army (it even was shown by American TV). It is simple – America planned and then started dirty campaign against Russia. Dirty because they do it by Georgian hands and because the price for this is OUR LIFES. If nobody stops Georgians – Osetians will physically disappear as ethnicity.
Just look at the numbers with more attention – 2000 Osetians killed against 6 Georgians.
And it happened in Osetia – not in Georgia.
Why Georgian president lies?
He always lies. He lies to us, to his American supporters, to international community. Just remember his latest interview when he sits under the European Union flag, so everybody thinks that Georgia is the part of EU. Georgia was NEVER part of European Union.
What we can do now?
We can eat what official newspapers and TV gives us. But remember when they told us that Iraq had chemical weapon. They bombed Iraq and thousands of Americans were killed to let oil companies earn more on Iraq’s oil. But, who talks about chemical weapon now? The fat is in the fire now.
It is simple like that:
If we don’t stop Georgians now they will take Osetia’s land and kill most of Osetians.
it is difficult, but do not believe your TV, it lies you!
August 11th, 2008 at 1:42 pmhttp://www.mail.ru – if you know russian – there is a lot of foto\video materials about situation in Osetia.
http://life.ru/video/4979 – video about burned by georgians army Zhinval
this story seems to back that up:
Putin criticises U.S. over South Ossetia
http://www.reuters.com/article/europeCrisis/idUSLB34651
August 11th, 2008 at 1:58 pmread text that #125, american politics also criticied us, when we tried to defend our people, i know that your TV perverted situation up to dawn, but it is inform war, and you are victims of this war. Nobody showed you how georgians burned Zhinval and killed more than 2000 peaceful peoples and our peacemakers, thay showed you how our 58th army come to burned Zhinval, but we peacemakers and we have to do it by UN rezoluion. Then they showed you bombed Zara, but on that moment there were no our aviation here. You can listen how they lieing you, we only sad that you don’t know truth. If you can really stop genocide of our people in osetia by georgians artillery – please, help us and do it.
August 11th, 2008 at 2:56 pmBut, but, but don’t us Americans understand that our bombing, invasion and occupancy of the sovereign nation of Iraq is *noble* and that we should be proud of the fact that over 500,000 innocent Iraqi citizens who along with their country had absolutely nothing to do with 9/11 have died while thousand upon thousands are homeless, without electricity or running water? It doesn’t matter, this was a *noble* act by our government because they (Iraq) had WMD’s….um we were spreading democracy…um Iraqi’s deserve the right to hold elections…um…mushroom clouds…boo!…um we rid Iraqi of Saddam Hussein and the price of 500,000 dead, 4000+ dead US soldiers and trillions of dollars was worth it because this was a *noble* act.
August 11th, 2008 at 4:47 pmATTENTION! Urgently!!! In Kutaisi the group of insurgents from the Ukrainian and Baltic mercenaries is generated. They have been noticed in the form of the Russian Army and armed by the Russian weapon!!! With them there are some persons with photo-and video equipment!!! Probably to prepare grandiose provocation!!! The information is received through SMS from the German tourist of the Russian origin blocked in Kutaisi. 11.08.2008 // 14:50 It should be had in view of at reading news!
August 12th, 2008 at 3:16 am