Comments on: Mukasey Refuses To Prosecute Officials Who Politicized DOJ: ‘Negative Publicity’ Is Sufficient Punishment http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/ Thu, 26 Nov 2009 20:48:28 -0500 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.8.5 hourly 1 By: EugeneDebs http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5157778 EugeneDebs Thu, 14 Aug 2008 09:37:05 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5157778 I think the Bush administration is floating a trail balloon. When out of office they will say NO we dont have to go to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes, the bad publicity is punishment enough I think the Bush administration is floating a trail balloon. When out of office they will say NO we dont have to go to the Hague to stand trial for war crimes, the bad publicity is punishment enough

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5157496 ForTruth Thu, 14 Aug 2008 02:28:36 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5157496 Maybe the Justice Department shouldn't be a part of the Exec. Branch. Large, powerful organizations usually aren't very effective at policing themselves. That does raise the question, what should they be a part of? Maybe the Justice Department shouldn’t be a part of the Exec. Branch. Large, powerful organizations usually aren’t very effective at policing themselves. That does raise the question, what should they be a part of?

]]> By: opus http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5155508 opus Wed, 13 Aug 2008 15:21:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5155508 Well then, if I get busted for speeding, I want to tell the cop he can't give me a ticket, because it was penalty enough for me to be seen being pulled over by other people... OMG, it's soooo embarrassing. Well then, if I get busted for speeding, I want to tell the cop he can’t give me a ticket, because it was penalty enough for me to be seen being pulled over by other people… OMG, it’s soooo embarrassing.

]]> By: MyFreedomWings http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5155228 MyFreedomWings Wed, 13 Aug 2008 09:15:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5155228 Um, looks like there's a shortage of dictionaries at the White House. Perhaps we should send them some. We need to, especially, hand the A.G. one and ask him to look up the word 'crime'. Um, looks like there’s a shortage of dictionaries at the White House. Perhaps we should send them some.
We need to, especially, hand the A.G. one and ask him to look up the word ‘crime’.

]]> By: Robt http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5155200 Robt Wed, 13 Aug 2008 06:43:19 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5155200 A concern I have is that, What was in place prior to Mukasey putting in place these so called safeguards to prevent this discrimination that effects our lives and harms our Gov't.?? Our Attny General cannot find any law that can be enforced on the criminals that abused their Positions of authority in the Peoples name? But he can find a reason to hold people as enemy combatants and torture them without knowing if they have information to give ? This just gets worse as it goes along. How does Mukasey even qualify as Attorney General if he can't prosecute political persecution from a Gov't officail. he can't even apply the EEOC ? A concern I have is that, What was in place prior to Mukasey putting in place these so called safeguards to prevent this discrimination that effects our lives and harms our Gov’t.??

Our Attny General cannot find any law that can be enforced on the criminals that abused their Positions of authority in the Peoples name? But he can find a reason to hold people as enemy combatants and torture them without knowing if they have information to give ?

This just gets worse as it goes along. How does Mukasey even qualify as Attorney General if he can’t prosecute political persecution from a Gov’t officail. he can’t even apply the EEOC ?

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5155160 ForTruth Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:46:40 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5155160 I've said this before. Uncovering even one crime of the Bush Admin would open up a can of worms so big, and it would involve so many people, its just best to leave the lid on. The crime spree infected too many people. It became a group-think phenomena. Too vast to even be called a conspiracy. VIrtually everyone fell into it. Too disasterous to go after. Beyond the scope of any law enforcement agency. I’ve said this before. Uncovering even one crime of the Bush Admin would open up a can of worms so big, and it would involve so many people, its just best to leave the lid on. The crime spree infected too many people. It became a group-think phenomena. Too vast to even be called a conspiracy. VIrtually everyone fell into it. Too disasterous to go after. Beyond the scope of any law enforcement agency.

]]> By: ForTruth http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5155156 ForTruth Wed, 13 Aug 2008 05:43:00 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5155156 This was part of the deal made to hire him. He never intended to do anything about this. At least they are going after Ricky Renzi. This was part of the deal made to hire him. He never intended to do anything about this. At least they are going after Ricky Renzi.

]]> By: abarts http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5155056 abarts Wed, 13 Aug 2008 03:04:17 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5155056 Did ANYONE expect anything different from this? Did ANYONE expect anything different from this?

]]> By: Jason Lantz http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154970 Jason Lantz Wed, 13 Aug 2008 01:36:35 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154970 Although Mukasey's statement may be true that there was no violation of criminal law, there are consequences for violating Civil Services Law. 5 USC 1215 provides disciplinary actions for these violations administered by the Merit Systems Protection Board and include: (3) A final order of the Board may impose disciplinary action consisting of removal, reduction in grade, debarment from Federal employment for a period not to exceed 5 years, suspension, reprimand, or an assessment of a civil penalty not to exceed $1,000. The problem is that the OSC must investigate and file a complaint with Board, but Bush Crony Scott Bloch run OSC and they have refused to investigate. I think we need to stop worrying about whether there was a "crime" as defined by statute and start asking whether there are civil actions available. I don't think Goodling should go to jail, but she should pay a fine and at least be debarred from federal employment. Although Mukasey’s statement may be true that there was no violation of criminal law, there are consequences for violating Civil Services Law.

5 USC 1215 provides disciplinary actions for these violations administered by the Merit Systems Protection Board and include:

(3) A final order of the Board may impose disciplinary action consisting of removal, reduction in grade, debarment from Federal employment for a period not to exceed 5 years, suspension, reprimand, or an assessment of a civil penalty not to exceed $1,000.

The problem is that the OSC must investigate and file a complaint with Board, but Bush Crony Scott Bloch run OSC and they have refused to investigate.

I think we need to stop worrying about whether there was a “crime” as defined by statute and start asking whether there are civil actions available. I don’t think Goodling should go to jail, but she should pay a fine and at least be debarred from federal employment.

]]> By: MapleStreet http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154792 MapleStreet Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:29:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154792 And if negative publicity is enough, why are we spending so much on prisons???? y'all must excuse me as I have to go out and rob a bank. I'm sure the good AG will let me keep the money and have no prison sentence as my picture in the paper will be extremely humiliating. And if negative publicity is enough, why are we spending so much on prisons????

y’all must excuse me as I have to go out and rob a bank. I’m sure the good AG will let me keep the money and have no prison sentence as my picture in the paper will be extremely humiliating.

]]> By: Funky P http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154642 Funky P Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:10:45 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154642 Bugliosi for AG! Bugliosi for AG!

]]> By: continuum http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154636 continuum Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:10:20 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154636 Another Bush appointee puts yet another nail in the coffin of justice. Another Bush appointee puts yet another nail in the coffin of justice.

]]> By: Art http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154566 Art Tue, 12 Aug 2008 20:01:27 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154566 “Not every violation of the law is a crime.” said Mukasey. Definition: crime [ kr?m ] (plural crimes) noun 1. illegal act: an action prohibited by law or a failure to act as required by law 2. illegal activity: activity that involves breaking the law “Not every violation of the law is a crime.” said Mukasey.

Definition:
crime [ kr?m ] (plural crimes) noun
1. illegal act: an action prohibited by law or a failure to act as required by law
2. illegal activity: activity that involves breaking the law

]]> By: zuch http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154454 zuch Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:43:14 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154454 #42 nanlichi: <i>I am sure Laura feels him toss and turn at night, tormented by the demons in his soul. Ok, reality check. That bastard has no soul, he sleeps like a baby knowing that he did his Father’s bidding.</i> Laura prolly sleeps in a different room. Condi, OTOH.... Cheers, #42 nanlichi:

I am sure Laura feels him toss and turn at night, tormented by the demons in his soul.

Ok, reality check. That bastard has no soul, he sleeps like a baby knowing that he did his Father’s bidding.

Laura prolly sleeps in a different room. Condi, OTOH….

Cheers,

]]> By: deebaser http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154444 deebaser Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:41:51 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154444 #66 Token I disagree. Fitz would be the PERFECT choice for AG. It would be great to have a DOJ that wasn't a complete sychophant. It would be a smart move and probably keep them honest. #66 Token I disagree. Fitz would be the PERFECT choice for AG. It would be great to have a DOJ that wasn’t a complete sychophant.

It would be a smart move and probably keep them honest.

]]> By: tokin librul http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154420 tokin librul Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:37:39 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154420 You rock, Don:<blockquote>Everything on our site is free and permanent. Don August 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pm</blockquote> You rock, Don:
Everything on our site is free and permanent.
Don
August 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pm

]]> By: tokin librul http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154414 tokin librul Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:36:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154414 <i>Gimme a Break Says: Comey or Fitz as possible AG. Despite being members of the GOP — the Grand Larceny Old Party. They both seem to have a little something the current gang lacks . . . character. August 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm</i> No, no. no, a thousand times NO. No more Pukes in Govt, anywhere. Absolutely NO PUKES in an Obama cabinet. That's be like putting Lie-berman on the ticket with Gore. The SOB'd be a mole-in-plain-sight. Shit, you can't even trust Dims to vote right. I swear eternal enmity if the dumb phux name ANY pukes to positions of power... Gimme a Break Says:
Comey or Fitz as possible AG. Despite being members of the GOP — the Grand Larceny Old Party. They both seem to have a little something the current gang lacks . . . character.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pm

No, no. no, a thousand times NO. No more Pukes in Govt, anywhere. Absolutely NO PUKES in an Obama cabinet. That’s be like putting Lie-berman on the ticket with Gore. The SOB’d be a mole-in-plain-sight. Shit, you can’t even trust Dims to vote right. I swear eternal enmity if the dumb phux name ANY pukes to positions of power…

]]> By: SP Biloxi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154406 SP Biloxi Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:33:15 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154406 Correction: “served at the pleasure of the President?” Correction:

“served at the pleasure of the President?”

]]> By: SP Biloxi http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154400 SP Biloxi Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:32:10 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154400 I concur with comment #5. These individuals involved in the DOJ illegal hiring got very cushy jobs and prominent positions after they left the Justice Department. What Mukasey, more importantly, left out are careers, lives, and reputations of the individuals that were victims of this scandal were ruined and tarnished. So, "negative publicity" as punishment for the officials involved is not going to fly with the victims. Mukasey will have to face more scrunity when the DOJ IG final reports of the U.S. Attorney firings and Civil Rights Division comes out. The real question to Mukasey is will "negative publicity" be sufficient punishment for those officials involved in those two reports? More importantly, memo to Mukasey: what message will you send to the fired U.S. Attorneys [as well as victims] that "served as the pleasure of the President?" I concur with comment #5. These individuals involved in the DOJ illegal hiring got very cushy jobs and prominent positions after they left the Justice Department. What Mukasey, more importantly, left out are careers, lives, and reputations of the individuals that were victims of this scandal were ruined and tarnished. So, “negative publicity” as punishment for the officials involved is not going to fly with the victims.

Mukasey will have to face more scrunity when the DOJ IG final reports of the U.S. Attorney firings and Civil Rights Division comes out. The real question to Mukasey is will “negative publicity” be sufficient punishment for those officials involved in those two reports? More importantly, memo to Mukasey: what message will you send to the fired U.S. Attorneys [as well as victims] that “served as the pleasure of the President?”

]]> By: DonKrieger http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/comment-page-2/#comment-5154346 DonKrieger Tue, 12 Aug 2008 19:24:12 +0000 http://thinkprogress.org/2008/08/12/mukasey-prosecute/#comment-5154346 DOJ Inspector General's Reports Online: We are placing all of the OIG reports online in convenient form (not PDF). They load very rapidly and each page has its own highlighted copy/paste link for easy online citation: <a href="http://publicservice.evendon.com" rel="nofollow"> The 2 recent reports on politicization of the DOJ hiring practices are linked from the front of our site. Direct links are: </a><a href="http://publicservice.evendon.com/DOJInternsM.htm" rel="nofollow"> </a><a href="http://publicservice.evendon.com/DOJHiringJul08M.htm" rel="nofollow"> Everything on our site is free and permanent. Don</a> DOJ Inspector General’s Reports Online:

We are placing all of the OIG reports online in convenient form (not PDF). They load very rapidly and each page has its own highlighted copy/paste link for easy online citation:

The 2 recent reports on politicization of the DOJ hiring practices are linked from the front of our site. Direct links are:

Everything on our site is free and permanent.

Don

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