Ceasefire In Georgia Dashes Neocon Predictions Of Russian Expansion In The Region
Ceasefire In Georgia Dashes Neocon Predictions Of Russian Expansion In The Region
The New York Times reported that earlier today, Russian President Dmitri Medvedev had ordered a cease fire in Georgia saying that “the goal of the [military] operation has been achieved.”
His announcement, however, may have come as a shock to some neoconservatives. Within the last 24 hours, many have been latching onto another “domino theory” to justify U.S. involvement in the conflict — predicting that Russia would expand the war outside Georgia to other nations in the region, particularly Ukraine:
– Max Boot: “The Russian attacks on Georgia, if left unchecked, could easily trigger more conflict in the future. [...] Today, Georgia; tomorrow, Ukraine; the day after, Estonia?”
– AEI Fellow and McCain adviser Gary Schmitt: “It is also about resisting Russia’s openly hegemonic designs on its neighbors — including Ukraine.”
– Wall Street Journal: “Unless Russians see that there are costs for their Napoleon’s expansionism, Georgia isn’t likely to be his last stop.”
But staunch neocons John Bolton and Charles Krauthammer went a step further. Krauthammer said the U.S. should “protect Ukraine,” station U.S. troops there, and admit them into NATO, while Bolton claimed Russian Prime minister Vladimir Putin is trying “to recreate the Soviet Union.” Watch it:
Sen. John McCain (R-AZ), who has issued harsh rhetoric towards Russia in recent days, thinks that Bolton’s idea isn’t too far off the mark. McCain told a Pennsylvania radio station today that “it’s very clear that Russian ambitions are to restore the old Russian Empire. Not the Soviet Union, but the Russian Empire.”
The neocons have been eager to see U.S. military action against Russia in order to defend Georgia so it seems then that Medvedev’s announcement may come as sad news.
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Yes, it must be heartbreaking for warmongers whenever peace breaks out…
August 12th, 2008 at 2:05 pmWell, let’s not be so quick to think that this thing is over quite yet.
While I don’t share in the overly aggressive viewpoint of the chickenhawks, neither have I just fallen off the turnip truck.
But, the sad fact is, even if we were inclined to ‘do something’, we don’t have the resources. Saber rattling is more impressive if the saber you’re rattling isn’t made out of tin foil.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:07 pm” McCain told a Pennsylvania radio station today that “it’s very clear that Russian ambitions are to restore the old Russian Empire. Not the Soviet Union, but the Russian Empire.”
Gee, I’ve known that for a couple of years now. What’s wrong with Putin wanting to make Russian an empire, George Bush did it to America.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pmRaynman, you are correct, we have very few resources because W has them tied up in a war for no reason. We have enough on our plates besides getting into this conflict.
Say no to war.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:10 pmdoes anyone dispute that georgia may have grossly miscalculated a massive russian retaliation to their offensive in ossetia?
and, after realizing it, they said, “ok, you win”?
i don’t think russia has some long-term plan here.
these guys (especially bolton) are just crazy.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pmI can see when McCain meets Putin…
“Listen, Vladimir. I served with Tsar Nicolas: I knew Tsar Nicolas; Tsar Nicolas was a friend of mine. Vladimir, you’re no Tsar Nicolas.”
August 12th, 2008 at 2:13 pmMeanwhile, Limpballs is getting his overly-ample arse handed to him by some actually intelligent callers who somehow got by his call-screener. The neo-con bubble is deflating quickly.
Limpballs (and the hacks noted in the TP article) overlooks the “inconvenient fact” that Georgia initiated the hostilities by invading Ossetia. This was likely done because GDumbya’s administration (and our Russian expert, Condoleeeeeeeeeeeeezza) have long-encouraged Georgia and its leadership that we will support its “blossoming democracy”.
Yup. Right. This reminds me of how Saddam was tacitly given the go-ahead to invade Kuwait. Or even better yet — when Poppy’s administration encouraged a coup by Saddam’s opponents after Gulf War I. In both cases, the rug was pulled out from under them.
It is high time for the American voters to realize what cowards the Bu$hes have been and how poorly-served we have been by the likes of them and the republicans. It is time for a change.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:14 pmThere is a certain amount of truth there about Russian dreams of hegemony. Putin and PutinLite would love to reacquire some of the break-away republics, especially those loaded with resources. But Krauthammer reveals how thoroughly cooked his braincells are when he suggests stationing US troops (where would we get them) in Ukraine. In a long line of stupid ideas from the neocons, that one is so incredibly stupid that even Republicans should be laughing at him.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:15 pmnobody disputes that the situation there is precarious, but let’s just look at this historically. georgia and russia have had troubles for many years now, right?
and it appears that georgia’s very recent military miscalculation backfired, and russia quickly snuffed it out.
i really think that russia has every right to put out these little fires when it can, and that the united states has no right to get militarily involved unless, of course, the fighting spreads into neighboring territories AND there is congressional and UN authorization to do so.
for the time being, bolton and krauthammer should just STFU.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:16 pmWe should all be greatful that the Bush Administration’s strong diplomatic efforts worked.
Was that before or after Bush goosed the women’s beach volleyball team?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pmPutin and PutinLite would love to reacquire some of the break-away republics, especially those loaded with resources
i wouldn’t be so quick to presume this is about resources. i think we need to look at the larger, geopolitical picture.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pmAnd exactly which “strong diplomatic efforts” were those?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:18 pmWe should all be greatful (sic) that the Bush Administration’s strong diplomatic efforts worked.
First of all, the word is “grateful” . . . and it doesn’t belong in the same sentence with the word “GDumbya” (until after January 20, 2008, when we can all say we’re grateful that GDumbya has moved to Paraguay).
There were no “strong diplomatic efforts” here, cupcake. If anything, GDumbya’s meddling in this matter over the past two years created the conditions that have led to this conflict. Nothing new there. Everything that GDumbya touches turns to sh!t.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pmthe neocon/paleocon/fascists need chaos to retain power.
in a marginally orderly universe, their prescriptions seem draconian, bloody-minded.
but with the hounds of war unleashed, they flourish, because they (both) feed on fear and uncertainty.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pmgeorgia is a failed state. let’s start with that. and as such, it is going to be prone to conflict, hostilities, corruption, war, depression, etc. and countries like russia and the united states will always be working behind the scenes to foment whatever chaos they can, or conversey to preserve the status quo, to insure that they protect their interests.
i think it is way too premature to know what their motives are at this point.
thank god there is a temporary cease fire.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pmWe should all be greatful that the Bush Administration’s strong diplomatic efforts worked.
You mean “grateful”, right?
Whatever, you never cease to dumb down the entire site by your mere presence.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pmdarladooner Says:
Putin and PutinLite would love to reacquire some of the break-away republics, especially those loaded with resources
i wouldn’t be so quick to presume this is about resources. i think we need to look at the larger, geopolitical picture.
No “presuming” about it; all conflicts are about resources, one way or another. Specifically, Russia and Ukraine have had serious disagreements about natural gas — do a little reading on the subject.
The “larger, geopolitical picture” is all about resources.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:22 pmI hate the neocons as much as anyone, but let’s not fall for this crap out of Russia. I don’t think that there is any way in Siberia that the Russians are done with this. That’s just crazy talk. What we have done (err…what the idiot that is running the country has done) is put us in a perfect position to not be able to do anything about Russian aggression. That is where the problems are. We have spent any global “political capital” if you will, so we can’t even be taken seriously when we cry our indignation. The Russians can do whatever they want with the former Block countries, and we can’t do anything about it. This is the true downfall of BushCo’s foreign policy. Don’t think for a minute that this is over though. Just because Bush is an idiot (and the neocons are warmongers) doesn’t mean you can trust Putin. Heck, the fact that Bush said he was a man that he could do business with should have been clue enough that Putin was not to be trusted. They are going back to the old ways there, and it happened under Bush’s watch. This is not the end.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:23 pmIf anything, GDumbya’s meddling in this matter over the past two years created the conditions that have led to this conflict.
how so?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:23 pmJustice for Rowan Says:
“We should all be greatful that the Bush Administration’s strong diplomatic efforts worked.”
Thanks! That was the FUNNIEST thing I’ve read in weeks! You, JF Rowan, are a true satirist! By the way, how’s Bush’s promise of peace between Israel and Palestine going? That Bush is one hell of a diplomat allright!
August 12th, 2008 at 2:23 pmJFR, you are a complete imbecile, just like the rest of the Bush-bot, ball-sack lickin’ losers.
Back to mommy’s basement, time to change that diaper!
August 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pm#16, some simpleton calling itself “Justice for Rowan” Says:…You really ought to read a newspaper or listen to the news once in a while.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:19 pm
murkin “diplomacy” was completely. utterly, and totally ineffective.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pmIt was those cheese-eating surrender monkeys, the French, who negotiated the cease-fire. The Bush/Rice axis of dumb didn’t do shit…
If there is ANY truism about neocons . . . it is that they are wrong about everything.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:24 pmOh darn. The Bush’s duplicity in Georgia didn’t work. They really did want Russia to go off the cliff, but it didn’t happen.
Finally our newspapers and MSM is starting to report the truth which is that Georgia started this, probably with the backing of the USA. Russia probably did over-react, but they had the right to defend their people in Ossetia.
The best thing that came out of the whole conflict was when Bush said:
“Russia has invaded a sovereign neighboring state and threatens a democratic government elected by its people. Such an action is unacceptable in the 21st century.”
Apparently he doesn’t see the irony in what he said. But many news organizations do because in searching for the quote I found that many reporting on what Bush said left this part out. The MSM is continuing to cover for our Idiot and Chief.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pmThey are going back to the old ways there, and it happened under Bush’s watch.
what old ways are those?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pmI watched the “Russia Today” news show on Ch. 32, KMTP, out San Francisco way. It presents a different viewpoint from the American corporate media and Bush/Cheney/McWar. Check out their web site, http://www.russiatoday.com for some graphic stories of Georgian slaughter of South Ossetians in the first few days of the Georgian invasion of South Ossetia. There seem to be American military, trainers and even some mercenaries working in the Republic of Georgia. Time to get the U.S. out of the Republic of Georgia.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pmBolton claimed Russian Prime minister Vladimir Putin is trying “to recreate the Soviet Union.”
How could Bolton possibly know this?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:25 pmJfR, I’m dead sure those dastardly Russkies were trembling in their boots before the wrath of W.
*eyeroll*
Sa-a-a-a-ay, I have some wonderful beachfront property in Arizona, sweetie – are you interested…?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pmPerhaps you’re right. But can’t you give me a quick run-down?
I’d be most “greatful”.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:26 pmJustice for Rowan Says:
Correction:
We should all be grateful that the Bush Administration’s strong diplomatic efforts worked.
Silly troll. It actually thinks that the Russians can be intimidated by the Chimp.
Sorry troll, Bush has not had the ability to intimidate anyone in a very long time. They all look at him as being a joke.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pmdarladooner Says: If anything, GDumbya’s meddling in this matter over the past two years created the conditions that have led to this conflict.
how so?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:23 pm
cuz the busheviks have been raving for the last 2 years about the ‘great democratizing spirit’ of the Georgians.
It should be remembered that Stalin (Iosif Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili–roughly “Joe, The Jew’s son”) was a Georgian…
August 12th, 2008 at 2:27 pmJustice for Rowan Says:
Correction:
We should all be grateful that the Bush Administration’s strong diplomatic efforts worked.
You don’t need to repost your ignorance. We all “get” where you’re coming from, and we’re not interested one bit.
You support Dumbya, so by proxy, you’re a traitor.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:28 pmOh, I see, Rowan. thanks. It appears that all Bush has to do is warn another head of state, and that head of state will do exactly as Bush demands.
This constitutes ’strong diplomatic efforts” — “You’d better do as we say, or else!”
And that concludes today’s lesson in “troll vocabulary”.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pmMaybe this is a stupid question. But I have to ask, why? Beyond the obvious profiteering from yet another armed conflict, why oh why are these neocons so goddamned hell bent on war after war? Don’t they realize we couldn’t attack Russia even if we wanted too? With Iraq and Afghanistan going on, where in God’s name would we get the troops?
So again, why? What is the reason?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pmtom Says: If anything, GDumbya’s meddling in this matter over the past two years created the conditions that have led to this conflict.
darladooner Says: how so?
What I was referring to is the encouragement that GDumbya and our Russian expert, Condoleeeeeeeeeeezza (who couldn’t interrupt her vacation and shoe-buying trip to return to D.C. until today after the critical point had passed), have given Georgia regarding supporting their sovereignty. When push came to shove, however, GDumbya’s bluff was called.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pmHeeheehee… I just love the twitter of troll desperation.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pmAnd that concludes today’s lesson in “troll vocabulary”.
As if we needed ANYMORE proof that they are unable to think above the level of a 4th grader…
August 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pmAnd the next person that brings up the UN wrt Russia needs to be shot. The UN cannot work against Russia (nor the US, GB, France, or China). There will never ever be a UN Security Council resolution condemning anything that any of those nations do, much less authorizing an action against them. I laughed when McBush suggested it too.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:31 pmAwwww, peace broke out and the NeoCon’s are sad….boohoo.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:32 pmDNFP – shame on you! Denigrating 4th graders that way…!!
I’m shocked, I tell you: shocked!!
August 12th, 2008 at 2:33 pmAnd the warmongering chickenhawks have been right about absolutely nothing in our own illegal and immoral invasion and occupation, so they must be right about what now? These worthless cowards are all about war and not a single one of them has ever worn a uniform or heard and incoming round.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:34 pmApparently, we can all be “greatful” for the Obama campaign’s strong diplomatic efforts, too.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:35 pm# 41, citizen_pain Says:
Maybe this is a stupid question. But I have to ask, why?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:30 pm
jeez! pay attention! It is ever-so-much to steal shit, make off with the goods, steal elections, start wars and profit from them, hold political power, etc. when chaos reigns. In the nmidst of chaos, the sheeple do NOT want change. They want stability. The Fascist GOPhux offer them that: certainty. It is the certainty that they’ll get phucqued, but the sheeple prefer it to uncertainty…
August 12th, 2008 at 2:36 pmDr. Hussein Matt Says:
“A Vote for McGrampa is a Vote Against Peace”
~McGrampa 2008 Campaign Slogan.
I can see it, printed on big white Depends undergarments…
August 12th, 2008 at 2:36 pmWhile the US is merely trying to restore the Roman, Mongul, Ottoman, Spanish, British, Dutch, and French Empires.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pmralph, great usage of the dbadass technique at #33. You two should write and instruction manual.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pmhttp://obamascrapbook.com/index.htm
Viral this. Now!
Link this address everywhere!
In your blogs and websites. In you comments. It is done really well.
Make Obama human to independents. A great and humanizing introduction to Obama.
This is needed to help inoculate him from the coming onslaught of October swiftboaters. So make it viral, and post it everywhere.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pmThis is what happens when you cross foot in mouth disease with head up a$$ disease.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:37 pmI am surprised the silly troll isn’t trying to credit McSame for Russia’s cease fire. Did you get your McSame talking points mixed up troll?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:38 pmMcCain and Bush would start WWIII to win the election in November. Sadly they’re both too stupid to realize we would likely lose that war.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:43 pm#Justice for Rowan Says:
Obama had nothing to do with it. He was too busy vacationing from his flip-flop and gaffe campaign in Hawaii.
Is that anything like this?
http://www.thecarpetbaggerreport.com/flipflops
This list is updated weekly and sometimes daily.
Now troll, would you like to list all of Obamas flip flops?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:44 pmJustice for Rowan, when people are as dumb as you appear to be it is best to say less so people don’t know.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:44 pmWhen is the last time that the leaders of Russia and China both told the president of the US to basically F off and stay out of their business? Boy, little Georgie Bu$h sure has done wonders for our influence and credibility, now hasn’t he?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pmConservatives worked for a peaceful resolution with strong diplomacy, and the Russians have backed down.
You are so full of shit that everything you post here is shows up brown on my monitor…
August 12th, 2008 at 2:45 pm“cuz the busheviks have been raving for the last 2 years about the ‘great democratizing spirit’ of the Georgians.”
there is no evidence that bush’s “raving” for the “democratizing spirit” actually instigated georgia’s decision to invade ossetia.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:46 pmJustice for Rowan Says:
I’m sure The Maverick played a role too. Some say he actually “upstaged” the White House with his strong demands that Russia back down, but he did the right thing and let Bush/Cheney/Rice et al. do their good work.
The troll has learned the wingnut meme very well. “Some say” blah blah blah.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:49 pmMcCain / Lieberman – 1908!
August 12th, 2008 at 2:49 pmMcCain flip-flops (from BHB’s link):
Here’s the list.
National Security Policy
1. McCain thought Bush’s warrantless-wiretap program circumvented the law; now he believes the opposite.
2. McCain insisted that everyone, even “terrible killers,” “the worst kind of scum of humanity,” and detainees at Guantanamo Bay, “deserve to have some adjudication of their cases,” even if that means “releasing some of them.” McCain now believes the opposite.
3. He opposed indefinite detention of terrorist suspects. When the Supreme Court reached the same conclusion, he called it “one of the worst decisions in the history of this country.”
4. In February 2008, McCain reversed course on prohibiting waterboarding.
5. McCain was for closing the detention facility at Guantanamo Bay before he was against it.
6. When Barack Obama talked about going after terrorists in Pakistani mountains with predators, McCain criticized him for it. He’s since come to the opposite conclusion.
Foreign Policy
7. McCain was for kicking Russia out of the G8 before he was against it. Now, he’s for it again.
8. McCain supported moving “towards normalization of relations” with Cuba. Now he believes the opposite.
9. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Hamas. Now he believes the opposite.
10. McCain believed the U.S. should engage in diplomacy with Syria. Now he believes the opposite.
11. McCain is both for and against a “rogue state rollback” as a focus of his foreign policy vision.
12. McCain used to champion the Law of the Sea convention, even volunteering to testify on the treaty’s behalf before a Senate committee. Now he opposes it.
13. McCain was against divestment from South Africa before he was for it.
Military Policy
14. McCain recently claimed that he was the “greatest critic” of Rumsfeld’s failed Iraq policy. In December 2003, McCain praised the same strategy as “a mission accomplished.” In March 2004, he said, “I’m confident we’re on the right course.” In December 2005, he said, “Overall, I think a year from now, we will have made a fair amount of progress if we stay the course.”
15. McCain has changed his mind about a long-term U.S. military presence in Iraq on multiple occasions, concluding, on multiple occasions, that a Korea-like presence is both a good and a bad idea.
16. McCain was against additional U.S. forces in Afghanistan before he was for it.
17. McCain said before the war in Iraq, “We will win this conflict. We will win it easily.” Four years later, McCain said he knew all along that the war in Iraq war was “probably going to be long and hard and tough.”
18. McCain has repeatedly said it’s a dangerous mistake to tell the “enemy” when U.S. troops would be out of Iraq. In May, McCain announced that most American troops would be home from Iraq by 2013.
19. McCain was against expanding the GI Bill before he was for it.
20. McCain staunchly opposed Obama’s Iraq withdrawal timetable, and even blasted Mitt Romney for having referenced the word during the GOP primaries. In July, after Iraqi officials endorsed Obama’s policy, McCain said a 16-month calendar sounds like “a pretty good timetable.”
Domestic Policy
21. McCain defended “privatizing” Social Security. Now he says he’s against privatization (though he actually still supports it.)
22. On Social Security, McCain said he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Soon after, asked about a possible increase in the payroll tax, McCain said there’s “nothing that’s off the table.”
23. McCain wanted to change the Republican Party platform to protect abortion rights in cases of rape and incest. Now he doesn’t.
24. McCain supported storing spent nuclear fuel at Yucca Mountain in Nevada. Now he believes the opposite.
25. He argued the NRA should not have a role in the Republican Party’s policy making. Now he believes the opposite.
26. In 1998, he championed raising cigarette taxes to fund programs to cut underage smoking, insisting that it would prevent illnesses and provide resources for public health programs. Now, McCain opposes a $0.61-per-pack tax increase, won’t commit to supporting a regulation bill he’s co-sponsoring, and has hired Philip Morris’ former lobbyist as his senior campaign adviser.
27. McCain is both for and against earmarks for Arizona.
28. McCain’s first mortgage plan was premised on the notion that homeowners facing foreclosure shouldn’t be “rewarded” for acting “irresponsibly.” His second mortgage plan took largely the opposite position.
29. McCain went from saying gay marriage should be allowed, to saying gay marriage shouldn’t be allowed.
30. McCain opposed a holiday to honor Martin Luther King, Jr., before he supported it.
31. McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.
32. McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.
33. In 2005, McCain endorsed intelligent design creationism, a year later he said the opposite, and a few months after that, he was both for and against creationism at the same time.
34. And on gay adoption, McCain initially said he’d rather let orphans go without families, then his campaign reversed course, and soon after, McCain reversed back.
35. In the Senate, McCain opposed a variety of measures on equal pay for women, and endorsed the Supreme Court’s Ledbetter decision. In July, however, McCain said, “I’m committed to making sure that there’s equal pay for equal work. That … is my record and you can count on it.”
36. McCain was against fully funding the No Child Left Behind Act before he was for it.
37. McCain was for affirmative action before he was against it.
Economic Policy
38. McCain was against Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy before he was for them.
39. John McCain initially argued that economics is not an area of expertise for him, saying, “I’m going to be honest: I know a lot less about economics than I do about military and foreign policy issues; I still need to be educated,” and “The issue of economics is not something I’ve understood as well as I should.” He now falsely denies ever having made these remarks and insists that he has a “very strong” understanding of economics.
40. McCain vowed, if elected, to balance the federal budget by the end of his first term. Soon after, he decided he would no longer even try to reach that goal. And soon after that, McCain abandoned his second position and went back to his first.
41. McCain said in 2005 that he opposed the tax cuts because they were “too tilted to the wealthy.” By 2007, he denied ever having said this, and falsely argued that he opposed the cuts because of increased government spending.
42. McCain thought the estate tax was perfectly fair. Now he believes the opposite.
43. McCain pledged in February 2008 that he would not, under any circumstances, raise taxes. Specifically, McCain was asked if he is a “‘read my lips’ candidate, no new taxes, no matter what?” referring to George H.W. Bush’s 1988 pledge. “No new taxes,” McCain responded. Two weeks later, McCain said, “I’m not making a ‘read my lips’ statement, in that I will not raise taxes.”
44. McCain has changed his entire economic worldview on multiple occasions.
45. McCain believes Americans are both better and worse off economically than they were before Bush took office.
Energy Policy
46. McCain supported the moratorium on coastal drilling ; now he’s against it.
47. McCain recently announced his strong opposition to a windfall-tax on oil company profits. Three weeks earlier, he was perfectly comfortable with the idea.
48. McCain endorsed a cap-and-trade policy with a mandatory emissions cap. In mid-June, McCain announced he wants the caps to voluntary.
49. McCain explained his belief that a temporary suspension of the federal gas tax would provide an immediate economic stimulus. Shortly thereafter, he argued the exact opposite.
50. McCain supported the Lieberman/Warner legislation to combat global warming. Now he doesn’t.
51. McCain was for national auto emissions standards before he was against them.
Immigration Policy
52. McCain was a co-sponsor of the DREAM Act, which would grant legal status to illegal immigrants’ kids who graduate from high school. In 2007, he announced his opposition to the bill. In 2008, McCain switched back.
53. On immigration policy in general, McCain announced in February 2008 that he would vote against his own bill.
54. In April, McCain promised voters that he would secure the borders “before proceeding to other reform measures.” Two months later, he abandoned his public pledge, pretended that he’d never made the promise in the first place, and vowed that a comprehensive immigration reform policy has always been, and would always be, his “top priority.”
Judicial Policy and the Rule of Law
55. McCain said he would “not impose a litmus test on any nominee.” He used to promise the opposite.
56. McCain’s position was that the telecoms should be forced to explain their role in the administration’s warrantless surveillance program as a condition for retroactive immunity. He used to believe the opposite.
57. McCain went from saying he would not support repeal of Roe v. Wade to saying the exact opposite.
58 In June, McCain rejected the idea of a trial for Osama bin Laden, and thought Obama’s reference to Nuremberg was a misread of history. A month later, McCain argued the exact opposite position.
Campaign, Ethics, and Lobbying Reform
59. McCain supported his own lobbying-reform legislation from 1997. Now he doesn’t.
60. In 2006, McCain sponsored legislation to require grassroots lobbying coalitions to reveal their financial donors. In 2007, after receiving “feedback” on the proposal, McCain told far-right activist groups that he opposes his own measure.
61. McCain supported a campaign-finance bill, which bore his name, on strengthening the public-financing system. In June 2007, he abandoned his own legislation.
62. In May 2008, McCain approved a ban on lobbyists working for his campaign. In July 2008, his campaign reversed course and said lobbyists could work for his campaign.
Politics and Associations
63. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist John Hagee. Now he doesn’t. (He also believes his endorsement from Hagee was both a good and bad idea.)
64. McCain wanted political support from radical televangelist Rod Parsley. Now he doesn’t.
65. McCain says he considered and did not consider joining John Kerry’s Democratic ticket in 2004.
66. McCain is both for and against attacking Barack Obama over his former pastor at his former church.
67. McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but then decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks.
68. In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.
69. McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.
70. McCain decided in 2000 that he didn’t want anything to do with former Secretary of State Henry Kissinger, believing he “would taint the image of the ‘Straight Talk Express.’” Kissinger is now the Honorary Co-Chair for his presidential campaign in New York.
71. McCain believed powerful right-wing activist/lobbyist Grover Norquist was “corrupt, a shill for dictators, and (with just a dose of sarcasm) Jack Abramoff’s gay lover.” McCain now considers Norquist a key political ally.
72. McCain was for presidential candidates giving speeches in foreign countries before he was against it.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:49 pmHey Rowan……
BOO!
Now go clean out your underwear and get back to us when you have a clue.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pmJustice for Rowan Says: stupid is my game, stupid is my name.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:50 pmI think what really turned the tide here was when McNumbNuts called for an “outrage surge” against Russia.
Yup. That’s what did it.
[sarcasm off]
August 12th, 2008 at 2:53 pmMcCain will try to ride into the white house on the fear and cowardice of the Republican base.
They are easily terrorized because they are easily lied to, being very uninformed and ignorant.
Just let all those right wingers know that they are being sissies if they vote their fear rather than their conscience.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:56 pmAww, poor Rowan, still thinks he must fear the ‘other’.
How do you get through the day being such a coward?
August 12th, 2008 at 2:57 pmHAHA, rowan expects anyone to believe links to GOP.COM and some right wing ranter’s fear mongering blog?
Grow a pair, you sissy.
August 12th, 2008 at 2:59 pmI believe it’s time for a ‘NeoCon Only’ war.
Only NeoCons & their children will be eligible to fight.
Tours will last 15-18 months, with no R&R within a tour.
Equipment issued will be well used, out of date technology.
Bullets will be those from the Afghan / Russian war in the ’80’s.
The only aircraft used will be the 5 Johnny McWars crashed.
Each NeoCon politician will automatically be a 1st Lt.
No medics will be provided; ‘real men’ don’t need medics.
Showers will also be ‘wake up’ call, electrocution style.
Anyone crying of asking for their ‘momma will be shot on sight.
When & if you get back home, only substandard hospitals are used.
If you get wounded, no disabilities will be allowed.
As a soldier, you will not qualify to vote. Ever.
Thanks, NeoCons…Support our Troops; Fight your own War!
August 12th, 2008 at 3:00 pmHi Justice:
August 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pmI’m gonna respectfully avoid the rest. So anyway, I notice you make a lot of declaritive statements as if what you type is as it is. My question for you is how is it that you find yourself believing yourself one who is correct? Thanks for your insights
here’s an example of an obama gaffe: “brownville texas” instead of “brownsville texas”.
here’s an example of a mccain gaffe: “iraq borders pakistan” instead of “iran”
i dunno about you, but i think the second gaffe is far more serious. what do you guys think?
August 12th, 2008 at 3:01 pmPoor, poor Rowan, you clowns are sooooo desperate, those “So Called” Obama flip flops are laughable.
Your slip is showing.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:02 pmBush and McCain were using strong diplomacy to avert WWIII.
Constantly shitting McCain’s “talking points” here wont do much other than help you acquire enough McCain blog-points to earn a free visit to McNumbnut’s next Doctor appointment to administer his upcoming high-colonic.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:03 pmOh Rowan, you and your fellow right wing nut jobs are simply jealous of Obama’s popularity. He gives a speech in Berlin (where JFK and Reagan also spoke mind you) in front of 200,00 people waving AMERICAN flags. McCain? He gives a speech to about 20 people at some German bratwurst stand in Ohio. Now that’s funny.
And another thing you numbskull, Obama was RAISED in Hawaii, so it makes sense he’d vacation there.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:05 pmRowan, what will you do if Obama gets elected?
August 12th, 2008 at 3:06 pmGrampy McSame: Not ready on day one. Not ready when the phone rings at 3AM. Just flat-out not ready to lead.
I mean geez, Cindy will be dancing topless for the masses at 3AM
August 12th, 2008 at 3:07 pmdennis,
You believe this telephone survey of 1,000.
Yet you do not believe the exit polls of over 31,000.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pmBarack Obama: Not ready on day one. Not ready when the phone rings at 3AM.
and yet mccain will be scrambling in the dark for his dentures at 3am.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pmMcCain mispronounced his name three times. Stephen Hayes defended McCain by saying “he knows the players even if he mispronounces the name.”
or where Iran and Iraq are located.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pmcitizen_pain Says:
Maybe this is a stupid question. But I have to ask, why? Beyond the obvious profiteering from yet another armed conflict, why oh why are these neocons so goddamned hell bent on war after war? Don’t they realize we couldn’t attack Russia even if we wanted too? With Iraq and Afghanistan going on, where in God’s name would we get the troops?
So again, why? What is the reason?
Racheting up the fear. They believe fear (of war, famine or whatever) will spark a movement toward Republicans…”the party of national security.” Fortunately, the vast majority of Americans realize, now, that this administration has done quite the opposite. They have made the world a more dangerous place. And our ports still aren’t secure! And while passenger luggage is screened, the cargo that is also loaded on passenger jets is NOT.
And Justice for Rowan, you are obviously a paid troll. No one could be that stubbornly ignorant otherwise.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pmThis over hyped fear shit is getting old. I’ll bet most people feel that their immediate supervisor is less capable then themselves in an emergency. This nonsense is hysterical at best. Get over your made up need to respond immediately to some crisis bullshit vision of a national leader. It doesn’t work that way…
August 12th, 2008 at 3:09 pmKeith Says:
dennis,
You believe this telephone survey of 1,000.
Yet you do not believe the exit polls of over 31,000.
Telephone survey, 29 dollars.
Exit poll survey, 0 dollars.
Believing what you’re TOLD to believe:
PRICELESS.
Heckuva job, mindless, bottom-feeding trolls.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pmJustice for Rowan,
You are concerned for this one life.
How about the 1,200,000 lives in Iraq. One in eight of Iraqi children die before the age of five now.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pmRowan,
I guess your website says it all, huh? Must be a Born-Again, anti-women’s rights kinda guy. Probably live in the South, too. And who would jesus bomb?
Probably also gave a lot of money to the Newter and Tommy boy DeLay, too. Right?
August 12th, 2008 at 3:11 pmWell, that’s one persons opinion. I dissagree. Some thought bush was ready too and he had more experience. Maybe you are wrong.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:12 pmTracy_5:
August 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pmIs this what you want the students to memorize and recite. Might you cite the other perpectives so they may learn to think?
Probably also gave a lot of money to the Newter and Tommy boy DeLay, too. Right?
Lots-o-fearmongering, posturing, while hiding under mommy’s skirt, it’s the CHICKENHAWK WAY.
Trolls live by it.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pm“Russia is trying to expand in the region by using the excuse of defending South Ossetia and Abkhazia in order to invade Georgia proper and basically set the stage for that government’s collapse”
evidence of russia’s invasion of georgia proper?
would love to see it, thanks.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:13 pmJustice for Rowan Says:
I’m sure The Maverick played a role too. Some say
Oh, the old “some say” technique. The only people who are saying that McSame or Bush had anything to do with Russia calling a cease fire are the neo-cons and the neo-con enablers.
Everyone else knows what really happened. Now, if our MSM would just report honestly on the conflict and how it started, we will be golden. But our “liberal” MSM is still reporting that Russia invaded Georgia, unprovoked.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:14 pmTracy_5 Says:
Guess you really don’t have a clue do you?
August 12th, 2008 at 3:14 pmWhere’s Dumbya’s chest-thumping, a$$-kicking rhetoric?
BRING EM ON.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:15 pmTracy_5,
August 12th, 2008 at 3:16 pmMaybe Russia doesn’t want an enemy on its border. The US cannot tolerate a potential enemy on the opposite side of the world—much less on its border.
propagada’s effectiveness is on abundant display when people, like tracy_5, claim that russia has invaded georgia proper in hopes of exanding their empire.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:16 pmTracy_5 Says:
Russia is trying to expand in the region by using the excuse of defending South Ossetia and Abkhazia in order to invade Georgia proper and basically set the stage for that government’s collapse.
Well now, I don’t think that Russia would have had the “excuse” to invade Georgia if Georgia had not invaded Ossetia first. Russia was protecting their people from those who invaded them. I guess I don’t see what’s wrong with that. And they waited two days and probably 2,000 dead Ossetia residents before they took action. That sounds rather restrained to me.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pmit does not portend well for the upstart candidate whose supporters will have to hope his eloquence overcomes his lack of experience.
no candidate running for president has any experience being president.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:17 pmFred,
August 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pmYeah, Dubya certainly did a terrific job on 9/11, huh.
it’s still a dangerous world despite our victory in Iraq
Stop the presses, this must be late-breaking Neocon talking point #63…
August 12th, 2008 at 3:18 pmTracy_5:
August 12th, 2008 at 3:19 pmWhen you were little did you draw lots of pictures of knifes and guns and tanks and planes dropping shit on people and stuff like that? Just wondering…
Justice for Rowan Says:
Poor little old lady, will not someone help this poor dilapidated crotchety jerk across the street already????
August 12th, 2008 at 3:22 pmDennis,
I’ll take Barack’s judgment any day over McCain’s and on about any issue.
I notice you didn’t address the poll of over 31,000 taken on election day 2006. Very empirical: “Who did you just vote for?”
August 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pmLet’s not forget the ageless wisdom of invading Iraq either. What a gem he has been. Kinda like a diamond before it becomes a diamond.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:23 pmMy tires are usually well-inflated.
I’ll say, easy when there’s so much “hot air” coming from any orifice not spewing forth shit.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:24 pmdespite our victory in Iraq
Well that would explain why the troops have come home and I’m having to avoid so many parades…
What an imbecile.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:26 pmdennis Says:
Obama caught napping.
Rasmussen: Majority prefers McCain to handle similar crisis 51% to 36%
Just over half (51%) also believe that John McCain is the best equipped of the two major presidential candidates to handle a similar crisis in the future, while 36% believe Barack Obama is the better of the two to deal with this kind of situation…
…Among unaffiliated voters, 56% prefer McCain while 28% like Obama better.
Barack Obama: Not ready on day one. Not ready when the phone rings at 3AM. Just flat-out not ready to lead.
Dennis, Dennis, what McCain proved during all this was that he made alot of threats to Russia he couldn’t possible back up. His typical knee-jerk reaction shows absolutely no thought or diplomacy effort. Plus the American People do not want any part of this.
Obama on the other hand was diplomatic so that we could negotiate with Russia. He knows that Georgia started this, but he did not vilify Russia.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pmFred,
August 12th, 2008 at 3:28 pmAnd he “smoked out” bin Laden “Dead or Alive”. No wait, disregard that, he doesn’t really think about him anymore.
Neocons still have a concept of wars that has been proven time after time that it is wrong.
Neocons believe that cost of wars fought always paid by the attacked,but they forget that the attacker has a price to pay too.
Iraq we were told will be a cakewalk.
So when Neocons call for a war or military conflict with Russia (for example), they think that the other side(the attacked,the Russians) is the only side that will be punished.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:29 pmNonesense !!!
History showed us that nations that started wars payed a heavy price at the end.
Neocons think that only they can deliver a painful punch.
We are living in a time that makes wars very painful even when it is fought against small countries.
France had problems in Algiers with Algerian fighters.
USA had problems in Viet Nam,and now still have immense problems in Iraq…
Russia learned their lessons fighting Afghanstan resistance fighters.
So just because we have more powerful machines that does not mean that is a guarantee for a success always.
So, when Neocon Krauthammer talks about ‘USA should protect Ukraine,by stationing US troops there’ he is looking for and advocating a conflict with Russia…a military one.
Neocon’s miscalculation seems to be embedded forever in their crazy doctrine.
The conflict in Georgia is so complicated that soldiers alone will not solve the problems that is ethnically deep-rooted,just like soldiers alone could not solve the Iraqi or Afghani problems.
despite our victory in Iraq
victory, of course, means:
1) paying the “enemy” to stop shooting
2) surrounding “the enemy” with 12 foot walls
3) telling the media that the “surge” was the reason we “won”
August 12th, 2008 at 3:31 pmJustice for Rowan
This should be good. How about explaining exactly what bush has saved our sorry asses from rowan.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:31 pmHey, I have an investment opportunity: Since the right wing whacko bible thumping nutjobs had their little Obama pressure gauge gimmick, let’s start selling flip-flops with McCain’s image on them. One flip-flop would have a pic of McCain, close to an anyuerism, blood vessels engorged, beet-red face, smoke coming out of his ears, and on the other flip-flop, a pic of him and that cheesy smile from the infamous green backdrop speech about a month or so ago.
This is my idea, don’t steal it!
August 12th, 2008 at 3:31 pmNettles Says:
Typical Neocon Repuke, always living in a fantasy land.
No wonder you guys suck at “Governmenting”.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:34 pmTracy_5fingersuphisa$$ Says:
Russia is trying to expand in the region by using the excuse of defending South Ossetia and Abkhazia in order to invade Georgia proper and basically set the stage for that government’s collapse. Georgia is democratic and wants to join NATO but the Russians aren’t having any of it and are using the South Ossetia/Abkhazia defense excuse to make sure it eventually happens.
Woo hoo! Our favorite racist architect who hates women just got his talking points!
Not original, but what do you expect from someone that has to be spoon fed from Rush & Co.
And no Zooey to harass? No income to brag about? No tough talk about having “black” friends?
Mucking foron!
August 12th, 2008 at 3:39 pmdennis Says:
Keith- I believe those numbers are quite telling. Obama was caught napping. I don’t begrudge him a vacation, no matter where he chooses to go or what he does while on it.
So Dennis, what did you think about the President of the United States (not a presidential candidate) who was on vacation when he got word of a memo saying that Osama was determined to strike in the United States, and he did nothing about it, just went back to clearing brush?
August 12th, 2008 at 3:40 pmSo tracy, tell the truth now. Who started the conflict? Was it Russia or Georgia?
August 12th, 2008 at 3:41 pmdennis Says:
citizen_pain Says:
RE; Flip-flop idea
Would backfire, citizen_pain. Flip-flops are still very much associated with John Kerry and the Democrats. You don’t really want to go there, much as I wish you would.
August 12th,
I do agree with this one. The neocons lied enough about Kerry that they were able to define him as a flip flopper, since Kerry didn’t fight back.
I have a better idea for McBush. A “Pander Bear”. Have it be a cute little bear with “McBush the Pander Bear” on it’s front. Then you can accomplish it with a brochure that lists all the issues McBush has flip flopped on to pander to his neocon audience.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:44 pmThe nitwit trolls say that Obama was caught napping because he was on vacation even though he made the most intelligent statement. But if he had come back to the country and held a big press conference they’d accuse him of acting like he was already the president. If these trolls were standing in a women’s prison with a hand full of pardons they’d still find something to complain about.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:48 pmdennis Says:
It doesn’t take a war monger to defend.
Obama can be just as strong and determined as mccain when the time comes. You just don’t want to hear it, you want war.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:49 pmRowan,
August 12th, 2008 at 3:51 pmWhat exactly did our president do to save Tommy’s ass? I’ll bet it is all in your mind.
dennis,
So you actually believe that Johnny Boy could remember anyone’s name long enough to even have a dialog with them? You think everyone would wear nametags for him or would he have his handlers whispering them in his hearing aid/ear piece?
I will take intelligence, logical thinking and diplomacy over senility and double digit IQ any day. Which is what we have had for the last 7 1/2 years.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pmdennis Says:
It’s disconcerting, to put it mildly, Bilbo. That’s a very good example of why we should be more careful in electing someone with experience this time. Obama may be smarter and way more eloquent than W, but he doesn’t come close to matching McCain in the area of experience.
And what would McBush’s experience be? Experience in being a prisoner of war and being tortured? Experience in adultery and dumping a crippled wife. Or how about his experience at changing his mind on every major issue before us today? Is that the kind of experience you value?
If you want to know who the real John McCain is, I dare you to read this article:
http://phoenixnewtimes.com/content/printVersion/848709
Then come back and tell us that this man is someone you want to lead this nation.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:52 pmWhere ya been dennis, it’s been serious for some time now. Guess you hadn’t heard, people are dying.
You can’t scare us into the corner with your bullshit. We have tried your way and nothing good is coming out of it.
Time for a different approach.
You won’t be happy but most of the rest of the world will be glad to see you stormtroopers sent back to the bunkers.
August 12th, 2008 at 3:54 pm#Tracy_5 Says:
“Well now, I don’t think that Russia would have had the “excuse” to invade Georgia if Georgia had not invaded Ossetia first. Russia was protecting their people from those who invaded them. I guess I don’t see what’s wrong with that.”
Their people? I wasn’t aware the South Ossetia was part of Russia.
The people in South Ossetia consider themselves to be Russians and identify with Russia not Georgia.
Now how about you answer my question cupcake. Who started this skirmish, Georgia or Russia.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pmHow much experience did McCain have when he became one of the Keating 5? Enough to know better I’d guess. Fact is, when somebody is so stupid that they graduate 3rd from the bottom of their class with the clout of two admirals in the family, it is obvious that they are too dumb to learn much. McCain peaked a long time ago and is on the downhill path now. So you trolls have seen what an idiot for president can do with Bush and now you want more of the same. I’m sure this is a symptom of insanity.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:04 pmTracy_5 Says:
Their people? I wasn’t aware the South Ossetia was part of Russia.
There’s a lot you’re not aware of, including the fact that most of them have Russian passports.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:05 pm
# 7 tom,
spot on.
While blogging on other sites in the past few days, primarily online newspaper comment areas, I have found it incredibly amazing just how stupid some are… the testosterone levels are up, many are gearing for a big fight… and the neocons are loving this probably with hopes of a huge Oct. surprise.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:08 pm(on a serious note, “some say” the staff of TP would like to thank the trolls of late for increasing our visibility and viability by boosting the size of each thread considerably resulting in tons more traffic on this site – the donors are watching, and willing to spend more than ever!)
August 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pmOne has to wonder why Tracy can’t answer a simple question as to who started it, Russia or Georgia. I suspect that our cupcake troll has chosen this moment to find something else fascinating to do.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:09 pmOh, and girly man,
I’ve narrowed you down to one of two Asian architects at a particular Dallas firm…
August 12th, 2008 at 4:13 pmJustice for Rowan Says:
Well, only because you asked:
And while Obama was on vacation from his flip flop and gaffe rock & roll tour, Bush and McCain were using strong diplomacy to avert WWIII.
________________
Stop it… stop it… yer killin’ me…
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA… you CAN’T be serious…
Putin called off the Russian Army… because Botch & McDepends used “Tough Talk™” on ‘em???
I can see it now… enough of Straight Talk… from here on in… it’s gonna be “The Tough Talk Express”!!!!!!!!
August 12th, 2008 at 4:16 pm#Tracy_5 Says:
“propagada’s effectiveness is on abundant display when people, like tracy_5, claim that russia has invaded georgia proper in hopes of exanding their empire.”
Explain why they invaded Georgia proper. If it was just to defend South Ossetia then why are Russians troops still in Georgia and why did Russian planes bomb civilians in Georgia?
Since Cupcake Tracy can’t answer the question I asked, I’ll answer it for it. Georgia invaded South Ossetia. They were killing people for two days before Russia came to the rescue of the people in Ossetia.
And you only know that the Russians bombed civilians in Russia because you get your news totally from Faux Noise. If you were to broaden your horizons a little and get your news from some place other than a subsidiary of the RNC, you might be surprised what you learn.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:19 pmTracy_5 Says:
“The majority of the breakaway region’s roughly 70,000 population feel close to Russia and are ethnically distinct from Georgians.”
Then why are still trying to declare their independence from Russia?
Because they want to be independent? Not to hard to understand. I’m sure that Iraq would like to go back to being an independent nation, not one that is occupied by the USA.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:21 pmTracy_5 Says:
“The majority of the breakaway region’s roughly 70,000 population feel close to Russia and are ethnically distinct from Georgians.”
Then why are still trying to declare their independence from Russia?
They’ve been declaring their independence from Georgia, which considers the area a Georgian province.
Please, do a little reading.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pmConservatives worked for a peaceful resolution with strong diplomacy, and the Russians have backed down. It is a good day for Bush.
Shit, that is funny! What exactly did Bush, et al do to resolve the situation.
All I heard was meaningless rhetoric: calling for a UN Security Council Resolution condemning the attacks (Russia has a permanent seat on the Security Council and would veto any such measure rendering it moot); Stating that the attacks “won’t stand”…really? And how will we enforce such threats when the bulk of our armed forces are mired in a sectarian conflict in Iraq that we started.
Face it…this is yet another example of Bush’s failed foreign policy, and his inability to understand “the dangerous and complex world”…even the one that still exists after our “victory in Iraq”.
“It is like they are proud of their ignorance…”
August 12th, 2008 at 4:24 pmdennis Says:
Obama may be smarter and way more eloquent than W, but he doesn’t come close to matching McCain in the area of experience.
____________
Sweet Jeebus… ONE MORE TIME… McShame HAS NO MORE VALID EXPERIENCE HERE THAN Obama… sitting in a tiger cage for five years doesn’t qualify one to be President. Johnny didn’t even know that Czechoslovakia doesn’t exist anymore or that Iraq & Pakistan don’t have a common border.
How can an ass hat like Dennis even fool himself when he pretends McShame is fit for the job?
This is serious stuff, Bilbo.
August 12th, 2008 at 4:26 pmMcCain had an Alzheimer’s moment afew weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain missed 10 of the past 14 votes on Iraq.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in September 2007: voted against the Webb amendment calling for adequate troop rest between deployments.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in May 2006, voted against an amendment that would provide $20 million to the Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) for health care facilities.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in April 2006, was one of only 13 Senators to vote against $430,000,000 for the Department of Veteran Affairs for Medical Services for outpatient care and treatment for veterans.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in March 2006, voted against increasing Veterans medical services funding by $1.5 billion in FY 2007 to be paid for by closing corporate tax loopholes.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in March 2004, once again voted for abusive tax loopholes over veterans when he voted against creating a reserve fund to allow for an increase in Veterans’ medical care by $1.8 billion by eliminating abusive tax loopholes. Jeez, McCain really loves those tax loopholes for corporations, since he voted for them over our veterans’ needs.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in October 2003, voted to table an amendment by Senator Dodd that called for an additional $322,000,000 for safety equipment for United States forces in Iraq and to reduce the amount provided for reconstruction in Iraq by $322,000,000.
McCain had an Alzheimer’s moment a few weeks ago when he forgot his military voting record, let me remind him: John McCain in April 2003, urged other Senate members to table a vote (which never passed) to provide more than $1 billion for National Guard and Reserve equipment in Iraq related to a shortage of helmets, tents, bullet-proof inserts, and tactical vests.
August 15th, 2008 at 7:52 pm