McCain: ‘In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.’
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McCain: ‘In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.’
In recent days, Sen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) rhetoric toward Russia has mostly been overblown bluster, including an accusation that the country wanted to restore its old empire. However, since a cease-fire was announced and his predictions were proven wrong, McCain has backtracked, saying there won’t be a Cold War. To justify his new position, he told reporters in a press conference today:
In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.
Watch it:
As Matt Yglesias writes, “We all recall, of course, John McCain’s outrage when the United States violated this rule back in 2003.”
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It was Georgia that attacked first.
The republican owned MSM has over simplified this for dumbed down America, put the focus on Russia giving McCain talking points to help him look presidential.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:52 pmMCCAIN / LIEBERMAN ‘08
YES WE WILL!
August 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pmMacSame’s hypocritical statements are equal to the War Criminals in the White House… Bush, without any credibility whatsoever, tried to tell Chine to improve its Human Rights records!!!?!! Imagine that! Bush, the invader, Bush the torturer, Bush the Lier, Bush the criminal responsible for the death of more than two million Iraqui civilians and the displacement of another two million. Not to mention the USA history of invasions, occupations, torture and murderes… Just check the invasion of Panama, the sponsoring terrorism in Nicaragua, the sponsoring of all the military dictators in Latin Ameria and else where, wher the practice of Torture was tought by the USA in the USA at the ‘School of the Americas’… MacCocaine, Bush, Chenney… the Facist bunch think people don’t know history.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:53 pmThat rabid old fart needs to be put down.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:54 pm“In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.” Now that statement alone proves that not only Grandpappy McSame is unqualified to lead this country as President but he has forgotten to take his daily prune juice. Ah, duh, didn’t we, the U.S., invaded Iraq and Afghanistan? And I guess the last 5 years of Iraq and Afghanistan war have all been in our minds.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:54 pmYet another doozy by:
SeNIOR
August 13th, 2008 at 4:54 pmMoMENT
McCAIN
McCain is right for once, looks like the blind squirrel found himself a nut.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:56 pmI’m amazed by the surrealistic tone of the Trolls argument. It lacks historical based facts and morals!
August 13th, 2008 at 4:57 pmSen. John McCain’s (R-AZ) told reporters in a press conference today:
In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.
Why does John McCain say the United States is not a nation?
August 13th, 2008 at 4:59 pmIs McCain on Crack? I mean John McCain. We know Cindy is.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:59 pmcreusa1 Says:
Georgia “attacked” its own country. This would be like if the U.S. sent troops into Florida to restore order if Miami decided it wanted to be part of Cuba. The U.S. would not be invading Cuba.
August 13th, 2008 at 4:54 pm
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Good point – I forgot about all those armed Cuban peacekeepers stationed in Miami.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pmMr. McCain… this is to inform you that your Reality Check just bounced.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pmThe burning question in my mind right now: why doesn’t Putin scrounge together a few hundred thousand dollars and just buy off McCain? Surely he can beat $800,000!
August 13th, 2008 at 5:00 pmJohnny, Johnny, Johnny,
Can you be any more deranged?
How many have you helped to invade in the past 8 years?
I still think his affliction has been worsened by racking up too many Frequent Stayer points at the Hanoi Hilton!
August 13th, 2008 at 5:01 pm“Nations don’t attack nations..”
No? Then I guess it’s empires that attack nations.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:01 pmWe simply can not afford another brain dead, reckless, President.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:03 pmMaybe he meant “civilized nations”? Like Iran.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:05 pmWe should all be very very very worried. This senile old man could be our next president. It’s time for the Democrats to start mentioning his age and his memory lapses. The future of our country could be at stake.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:06 pmFrom Eduardo Galeano, Uruguayian writer:
“Great corporations enjoy human rights in the United States. In 1886, the Supreme Court extended human rights to private corporations, and thus stands it to this day.
A few years later, in defense of human rights of its corporations, the United States invaded ten countries, in diverse parts of the world.
Then, Mark Twain, a leader of the Anti-Imperialist League, proposed a new flag, with skulls instead of stars, and another writer, Ambrose Bierce, confirmed:
– War is God’s way of teaching us geography.”
August 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pmGeorgia “attacked” its own country. This would be like if the U.S. sent troops into Florida to restore order if Miami decided it wanted to be part of Cuba. The U.S. would not be invading Cuba.
Regardless of what Georgia attacked, I feel the republican MSM has turned this into a distraction and talking points to benefit their party. Could this turn into an October surprise? This could get serious and we know the republicans will DO ANYTHING to win.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:07 pmHonest question. Did Neal Cavuto bring up the idiocy of this statement?
Ok you can stop laughing I already know the answer. I just hope Neal had his pants back on and his hands washed when the camera panned back to him.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:12 pm“In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations”
Except when the nations doing the invading is either the US or Israel.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pmIt seems it falls to me to point out the blindingly obvious:
The US with a little help from other nations invaded two nations and Israel invaded Lebanon, in this the 21st Century.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pmMcCain appears to be have a serious mental and cognitive condition.
“In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.”
Well now — there’s a statement truly worthy of a Scooby-Doo double-take if ever there was one.
Just saying …
August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pmgalmud Says:
“In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations”
Except when the nations doing the invading is either the US or Israel.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
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Or Colombia. They get a pass, too.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:19 pmCognitive dissonance – it is not just a state of mind, it is a way of life.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:20 pmDon’t blame McCain… someone forgot to turn his calendar! He’s still worried about the Y2K crisis!
Like I’ve said before, this mutt is more than 500 years old, in dog years.
McCain: Building a bridge to the 19th century
PEACE
August 13th, 2008 at 5:20 pmWhat’s with these Note Cards?
McCain is always issuing statements by reading off his cue cards. He’s always looking down as he speaks.
Was this statement on a cue card?? Are his handlers insisting he not go off script?? Can he use them in the Debates.??
This definitely does NOT look like straight talk.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pmAnd he conveniently forgot his “bom, bomb Iran” song.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:22 pmcreusa1 Says:
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The United States worked with multiple countries to enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions in Iraq. The United States remains in Iraq at the will of Iraq’s democraticly elected government. This is much different than Russia unilaterally invading Georgia over the objection of Georgia’s democratic government.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
Which UN resolution stated that the Chimpy administration invade Iraq ?
August 13th, 2008 at 5:23 pmkeep the conflicts simmering in order to derail Georgia’s NATO bid.”
I’d say that’s a Mission Accomplished.
If Georgia was a NATO MEMBER NOW…we would be at War with Russia.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:27 pmUm. The “conflict has been simmering” since the breakup of the Soviet Union. War in Georgia is nothing new. It just happens to be news this time.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:30 pmWait, wait — so we didn’t invade Iraq?
Huh.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:31 pmIf you havn’t seen Jon Stewarts take on this? You MUST see this clip.
http://www.crooksandliars.com/2008/08/13/daily-show-invading-sovereign-countries-is-fineunless-theyre-in-europe/
August 13th, 2008 at 5:33 pmBadger: If Georgia was a NATO MEMBER NOW…we would be at War with Russia.
No, we wouldn’t.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:35 pmWell. I believe in giving credit where credit is due.
Troll_5 said something logical. Russia probably wouldn’t be in Georgia if Gerogia were a member of NATO and they didn’t have a clear case of “hot pursuit”. But, the reality of the situation is that Georgia is not a NATO member and, as nearly as I can tell, is far from blameless.
The other reality is that we won’t directly confront Russia.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:39 pmum… yeah we (er, they) do – we (er, they) totally do…
(esp. when their initals are the USA)
August 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pmTracy….
Russian Troops were ALREADY in Osetia. They were deployed as “Peace Keeping Forces” to protect Ethnic Russians living in the Breakaway province.
One of the reasons the Russians Invaded was that their “Peace Keeping” troops we ATTACKED and Killed by Georgian Soldiers.
Do you really want to bet World War III that Russia would just let their troops be killed, and Not Do anything about it???
We’re Rattling a NON EXistant Saber, unless we want to start a War with Russia.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pmtigger : Wait, wait — so we didn’t invade Iraq?
I think what McCain meant to say was that we successfully invaded Iraq in the LAST century and WON that war in THIS century, although the Democrats want to LOSE the War we WON, by un-invading, which is also something 21st Century nations don’t do. I guess.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:40 pmTracy_5
Mmmm…get lost, misogynist piece of shit. We’re in no mood.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:43 pmcreusa1 Says:
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The United States worked with multiple countries to enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions in Iraq. The United States remains in Iraq at the will of Iraq’s democraticly elected government.
Really, why do you guys even try anymore? Haven’t you gotten tired of regurgitating and chewing that same putrid piece of cud over and over for all these years?
August 13th, 2008 at 5:45 pmThis is the international version of IOKIYAR.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:50 pm“Really, why do you guys even try anymore?”
Remember, some are being paid to regurgitate disreputable nonsense.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:52 pmshoeless Says:
Really, why do you guys even try anymore? Haven’t you gotten tired of regurgitating and chewing that same putrid piece of cud over and over for all these years?
Really! Because it must taste pretty bitter and mushy by now!
August 13th, 2008 at 5:53 pmMcCain should clarify his position…if the invaders have “Never Again!” affixed to their attack talking points, then it is okay to roll over borders and destroy hundreds of thousands of lives for whatever the neocon heart desires.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:58 pmWhy should that amaze you? Seems to me like it’s par for the course.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:01 pmUpdate:
In a hastily arranged press conference, John McCain has outlined his plan to free Georgia from the Russians.
“My friends, the 1st Brigade of the 25th Infantry Division will travel north on foot from Mosul through Turkey and Armenia, while the 3rd Brigade will move out from Kirkuk, and fight its way through Iran to Georgia. I believe that the success [in Georgia] will be fairly easy.”
August 13th, 2008 at 6:04 pmcreusa1 Says:
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The United States worked with multiple countries to enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions in Iraq. The United States remains in Iraq at the will of Iraq’s democraticly elected government. This is much different than Russia unilaterally invading Georgia over the objection of Georgia’s democratic government.
August 13th, 2008 at 5:15 pm
You’re right that these two situations are very different. We preemptively invaded Iraq on shoddy (perhaps even fabricated) evidence that Iraq was a threat to us, and Russia invaded Georgia because Russian soldiers and citizens were actually under attack by Georgian forces.
Or did I miss Medvedev’s “Yellow Cake” speech?
Do you really believe all the talking points they feed you?
August 13th, 2008 at 6:13 pmUpdate:
In a hastily arranged press conference, John McCain has outlined his plan to free Georgia from the Russians.
“My friends, the 1st Brigade of the 25th Infantry Division will travel north on foot from Mosul through Turkey and Armenia, while the 3rd Brigade will move out from Kirkuk, and fight its way through Iran to Georgia. I believe that the success [in Georgia] will be fairly easy.”
Ah, I see he’s taking the Xbox approach to his tactics! I hope he has enough lives before the “Game Over” screen hits before he battles the huge Commie Nuclear Tank on Level 4.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:17 pmHow can McCain distance himself from Bush when they’re identically stupid?
August 13th, 2008 at 6:19 pm“Really, why do you guys even try anymore?”
Only 5,250 more points for a McCain frisbee!!!
YAY!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 6:25 pmLeftside Annie Says:
“Really, why do you guys even try anymore?”
Only 5,250 more points for a McCain frisbee!!!
YAY!!!
A boomerang would be more appropriate.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pmWhat are the chances that Flippy McSpin can even find Georgia on a map? Much less a globe.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pmgummitch Says:
Leftside Annie Says:
“Really, why do you guys even try anymore?”
Only 5,250 more points for a McCain frisbee!!!
YAY!!!
A boomerang would be more appropriate.
Or a fossil collection.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:31 pmMcCain’s post-Labor Day war slogan:
“Allies let other allies topple their enemies”
August 13th, 2008 at 6:35 pmbob hussein lablah Says:
gummitch Says:
Leftside Annie Says:
“Really, why do you guys even try anymore?”
Only 5,250 more points for a McCain frisbee!!!
YAY!!!
A boomerang would be more appropriate.
Or a fossil collection.
I’m holding out for the solid bronze, mint condition, two-faced, collector coin.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:37 pmdumbstruck Says:
How can McCain distance himself from Bush when they’re identically stupid?
August 13th, 2008 at 6:19 pm
You can’t put it past a guy who is so adept at distancing himself from himself.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:39 pmAudio from the press conference is up here .
August 13th, 2008 at 6:43 pmgummitch Says:
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Leftside Annie Says:
“Really, why do you guys even try anymore?”
Only 5,250 more points for a McCain frisbee!!!
YAY!!!
A boomerang would be more appropriate.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:26 pm
FREE YELLOW DENTURES FOR EVERYONE !!!!!!!!!!!!
August 13th, 2008 at 6:52 pmpete Says:
bob hussein lablah Says:
gummitch Says:
Leftside Annie Says:
“Really, why do you guys even try anymore?”
Only 5,250 more points for a McCain frisbee!!!
YAY!!!
A boomerang would be more appropriate.
Or a fossil collection.
I’m holding out for the solid bronze, mint condition, two-faced, collector coin.
7500 points for a Lone Ranger magnifying glass and special encoded message.
August 13th, 2008 at 6:59 pmMcCain :”In the 21st Century,nations do not invade other nations”.
And in what century these wars happened?
1.US/Afghanstan war 2001
August 13th, 2008 at 7:14 pm2.US/Iraq war 2003
3.Israel/Lebanon war 2006.
Oh come on! We didn’t invade Afghanistan and Iraq, we liberated them. And though not entirely successful at it, Israel was simply trying to liberate Lebanon from itself. Entirely different scenarios from what any patriotic American would call invasions.
Where’ve you been folks?
August 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pmBesides that, it was Georgia that invaded South Ossetia. Russia came to their rescue and went into Georgia to chase down the invaders.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pmblackpoll Says:
MCCAIN / LIEBERMAN ‘08
YES WE WILL LOSE BIGTIME!
Sheesh. Where are these mindless trolls coming from?
August 13th, 2008 at 7:46 pmBilbo Hussein Baggins knows what he’s talkin about!
August 13th, 2008 at 7:48 pmTrace, you didn’t do so good in English in school, did ya?
Unless you have a different definition of “threat” than the rest of us… well, maybe you do. Maybe you have a right-winger’s definition. Kind of like Saddam was a threat in ‘03.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:49 pm“Simple John” McCain. Is he “retarded” or what?
August 13th, 2008 at 7:51 pmcreusa1 Says:
The United States worked with multiple countries to enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions in Iraq. The United States remains in Iraq at the will of Iraq’s democraticly elected government. This is much different than Russia unilaterally invading Georgia over the objection of Georgia’s democratic government.
If you believe all that claptrap, you are a perfect example of you can’t cure stupid. And, Iraq’s democratically (that’s really a stretch) elected government has told us to leave. Bush and McCain are refusing.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:54 pm#catsquisher Says:
Oh come on! We didn’t invade Afghanistan and Iraq, we liberated them. And though not entirely successful at it, Israel was simply trying to liberate Lebanon from itself. Entirely different scenarios from what any patriotic American would call invasions.
Where’ve you been folks?
I’m seriously hoping this is snark. No one can be that dumb if it’s not.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:56 pmWatching McCain’s speech on Russia/Georgia made me fall sound asleep. He’s the most boring speaker and makes up what he’s saying as he goes. Horrible candidate.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:58 pmcreusa1 Says:
had enough Says:
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It was Georgia that attacked first.
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Georgia “attacked” its own country. This would be like if the U.S. sent troops into Florida to restore order if Miami decided it wanted to be part of Cuba. The U.S. would not be invading Cuba.
Since when? I guess no one told the people in South Ossetia, they were under the illusion they had declared their independence from Georgia in the early 1990’s. They identify with Russia and most have Russian passports.
So what you are saying is that because Georgia thinks they “own” South Ossetia, they have the right to invade and kill 2,000 innocent men women and children. Fortunately most of the world will disagree with you.
August 13th, 2008 at 8:01 pmI hate when you liberals chop up the full statements and don’t give the full context.
The actual quote was, “In the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations. That is what we did when I was a young man in the 19th century.”
August 13th, 2008 at 8:02 pmGeorgia “attacked” its own country.
~creusa1
I suppose Serbia didn’t really attack Albanians in Kosovo, either. After all, it was their own country at the time. And Milosevic was merely trying to restore order…
August 13th, 2008 at 8:45 pm# pete Says:
If you havn’t seen Jon Stewarts take on this? You MUST see this clip.
Haaaaahahahahahahahaha!!!!!! Great post!!!! Pete!!!! You made my morning here in Australia!
August 13th, 2008 at 9:10 pmcatsquisher Says:
And though not entirely successful at it, Israel was simply trying to liberate Lebanon from itself.
August 13th, 2008 at 7:45 pm
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They certainly were successful at liberating almost 1,200 Lebanese civilians from themselves. And they liberated lots of Lebanese bridges and roads and airports and power plants from themselves.
Mission accomplished!
August 13th, 2008 at 9:29 pmRussia has no right to be in Georgia.
The United Nations threatened Iraq with invasion if they didn’t abide by resolutions. The U.S. was the only country willing to follow through on that.
Equivocation is the refuge of the spineless.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:33 pm“Equivocation is the refuge of the spineless.”
And the comfort of discredited talking points is the refuge of the brainless.
August 13th, 2008 at 9:57 pmThat statement should automatically disqualify him from running for President. What a moron.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:01 pmcreusa1 Says:
The United States worked with multiple countries to enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions in Iraq.
You are OUT OF YOUR MIND. The UN OPPOSED the Iraq invasion and NO UN resolution gave us authority to invade Iraq that is a flat out STUPID rightwing talking point completely devoid of reality. UN Resolution 1441 SPECIFICALLY said the security counsel would remain siezed of the issue meaning that THEY would decide how any violations would be handled. You are either lying or extremly stupid and brainwashed
August 13th, 2008 at 10:24 pmThis is proof positive of what I have been saying for years. The rightwing has NO sense of irony. I think they have the irony gene surgically removed at birth because they couldnt tell the constant lies they tell without cracking up otherwise.
August 13th, 2008 at 10:30 pmIsrael and The US have been supplying Georgia with weapons and military training for years. Natural Gas and Caspian Sea pipelines are in this region. Neocons want a new Cold War to increase military-industrial profits and destroy the USA economically. Bush said Russia can be nuked by the US in 2002. Two candidates need presidential ratings boost. Georgia actually started this, and their history is one of oppression, contrary to Obama, McCain, and Bush…Moe, Larry, and Curly of The New War/Surveillance Party. It is a shame that even the so-called Progressives are reading off of Faux/MSM/White House prompters. Are these what are called “Left-Gatekeepers?”
August 13th, 2008 at 10:32 pmMcCain hasn’t even stolen the election yet, and he has already helped start a war: the Georgia-Russia war. Heck of a job, Johnny…
August 13th, 2008 at 10:53 pmIn the 21st century, nations don’t invade other nations.
Did McCain forget in which century we invaded Iraq? Or maybe he just forgot which century he’s living in now.
http://progressiveworldreview.com
August 13th, 2008 at 11:22 pmFate catches up to war criminal nations! And McCain’s point of view is oblivious to the fact that what we give is what we’ll get! Look at the Nazis, and how it all caught up to them! God has his furious wrath unleashed here in the US!
August 13th, 2008 at 11:59 pmNotice that Yglesias is talking Afghanistan not Iraq? Good old Yglesias was wrong on Iraq. I don’t see why we should have to put up with his snark on Iraq now. Why is TP rewarding a punk that smiled as he tossed them and us all under the bus?
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US troops in Afghanistan
PACIFISTS AND ALTERNATIVES. Peter Beinart and Kevin Drum are both concerned about the influence of crypto-pacifist opponents of the Afghan War on the Democratic Party. Atrios, speaking up for a popular-front, “no enemies on the left” mentality, essentially dodges the issue:
That’s ridiculous. The issue with that war and any other war isn’t simply whether it’s “justifiable.” And opposition to George Bush’s War in Afghanistan does not imply that someone was “flatly opposed to any use of American military power at all.” . . .
The point is that the right question is not “did 9/11 justify war” the right question is “was the way the Bush administration went to war, and all of its consequences, better than the next best option.” Unless we have a conversation about the next best option before the fact, and an honest accounting of the consequences after the fact, we can never actually know that. “Taliban bad, al Qaeda bad, therefore the only possibile course of action is the Bush/Rumsfeld battle plan, is rather stupid thinking.”
Fine, fine. Opposition to the Afghan War does not imply, as a matter of formal logic, that you would oppose the use of American military power under all circumstances. But if you, like I, spent the fall of 2001 in a place where anti-war sentiment ran high, listening to anti-war speeches and lectures and protests and teach-ins, reading anti-war op-eds in your school paper, speaking to anti-war people in your daily life and so forth, it was clear that most of the publicly offered rationales for opposing the war did, in fact, imply that the speaker or writer was opposed to any and all use of American military power. The most common line of criticism I heard was that any action that resulted in the deaths of Afghan civilians was an illegitimate form of collective punishment. There’s a certain logic to this position, but it’s the logic of pacifism and it’s not the basis of a viable national-security policy. Unless the Democratic Party and its advocates can say so, it’s not going to win any elections for the foreseeable future.
Atrios is trying to run opposition to the war together with the notion of criticizing some aspect of its conduct (”the only possibile course of action is the Bush/Rumsfeld battle plan”), but this is a dodge. Lots of people — almost everyone, I would say — think that Franklin Roosevelt’s conduct during World War II is open to some criticism on both moral and pragmatic grounds. That doesn’t mean the United States is full of World War II opponents. It probably paints with too broad a brush to say that every opponent of the Afghan War is a pacifist or someone who thinks that the whole thing was motivated by some nefarious natural-gas pipeline scheme, but the pacifists and the tinfoil hatters are very much real people, and liberals need to recognize that when these people become the public face of progressive politics — as Michael Moore did around the release of Fahrenheit 9/11 — that conservatives are the ones who reap the benefits.
–Matthew Yglesias
August 14th, 2008 at 12:03 amJohnny McCain’t talk straight said:
Then America’s continued occupation of Afghanistan, post INVASION, is what then? Care to parse our continued occupation of Iraq post INVASION to depose their leader, unlawfully?
… Oh I see. It’s exemptionalism, American style. And from the grave, Hitler hearts America.
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August 14th, 2008 at 12:49 amDid McCain forget in which century we invaded Iraq? Or maybe he just forgot which century he’s living in now.
He might be reading “Dune” right now, so he might have had to have written “Iraq” on his hand instead of saying that we needed to stay the course on “the desert planet Arrakis”. We might be looking at a TKO by Columbus Day if this keeps up.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:41 amPotfry Says:
The United Nations threatened Iraq with invasion if they didn’t abide by resolutions. The U.S. was the only country willing to follow through on that.
Your long ago debunked and totally stupid rightwing talking point has no merit. What was threatened was SERIOUS CONSEQUENCES which werent necessarily an invasion and it was made clear in the text of the resolution that it would be the SECURITY COUNSELS decision WHAT those consequences were and WHEN they would be applies. Since we now KNOW that Iraq didnt have any WMDs I dont even know how they were violating any resolutions anyway. Do you ignorant wingnuts EVER think for yourselves or do you consider it a DUTY to just mindlessly repeat whatever your hivemind screechmonkey masters TELL you to believe? I mean you DO know you are pathetic dont you? Even your incredibly stupid talking point is a couple of years out of date. I guess to the REALLY ignorant wingnuts its a zombie meme. Nothing can drive a stake through its heart no matter how STUPID it is no matter how often debunked no matter how divorced from reality. You guys couldnt care LESS what is real or true, just rinse and repeat what you were TOLD to believe. Please go away and let the adults talk
August 14th, 2008 at 4:51 amSomeone give Brain From Planet Arous a cupie doll! I can’t believe that it took 89 posts for someone to come to the logical conclusion that the neocons are up to their bloodthirsty armpits in this whole mess. Using the principles of Occam’s Razor, the neocons fingerprints can be found behind military conflicts all over the map. They have their talons so deeply imbedded into the US government and corporations that it seems to me sometimes that they are the ones dictating American policy when it comes to supporting their interests around the globe at the expense of what is good for America and it’s citizens. They are a major player behind the scenes on the world stage. Kind of a “silent partner” in death and destruction that you will never hear about from the MSM. A bright light needs to be shone on this organization and investigations are needed into their shady influence in US government agencies. They seem to have embraced John McCain in the last few years and THIS is what began his 180 degree transformation from maverick to warmonger. I wouldn’t be surprised if Jack Abramoff and McCain’s lobbyist adviser Scheunemann were agents for the neocon elite. They are a truly scary bunch with an apocolyptic agenda that needs to be stopped but by who?
August 14th, 2008 at 8:58 amThere were some real gems in that one: audio from the McCain press conference.
August 14th, 2008 at 10:41 amSen John McCain R(ALZ), what else do we need to know?
August 14th, 2008 at 11:17 amDo you even understand the problem with your statement? Russia was and has been interfering in the political process. Russia is issuing passports to folks in South Ossetia–which is PART OF GEORGIA. Russia was moving arms and weapons in, and cash out trough smuggling and the black market.
Georgia moved in troops to defend it’s sovereign borders and citizens. Russia actually attacked first.
George Will said it best when he said that nobody knew of Sarajevo before WWI. His foresight as to what Ossetia might mean to another WW or Cold War shouldn’t be underestimated.
Throw in China’s chest-puffing over the Olympics and there is quite a bit of nationalistic pride oozing out of that region of the world. Nothing to be ignorant about ‘had enough’.
August 14th, 2008 at 12:18 pmFunny how Russia has one perspective regarding breakaway provinces (Ossetia) completely contradictory to another one it’s still trying to peddle influence in (Kosovo).
Hmm, could Russia feel that threatened by NATO and a missile shield thereby causing a conflict? Real or cold in nature…
Stay tuned people.
(The best thing about this whole mess is that when it broke, I was in the airport lounge watching CNN. They interrupted the John Edwards fiasco to relay this story. Then they went back to uninterrupted John Edwards blahblahblah. Americans are truly stupid–Edwards trumps Russian ground invasion.)
August 14th, 2008 at 12:25 pmPotfry Says:
The United Nations threatened Iraq with invasion if they didn’t abide by resolutions. The U.S. was the only country willing to follow through on that.
Potfry, Iraq was abiding by UN resolutions. Failure-in-Chief Bush issued an ultimatum to Saddam Hussein to step down or face war. At that time, weapons inspectors were in Iraq and Iraq was actually abiding by UN resolutions. Of course, since they were and the inspectors weren’t finding WMDs, FiC Bush had to tell the insepctors to get out of the country, because he was coming in.
So please, quit peddling the BS that Hussein wasn’t abiding by resolutions. It was the US that didn’t.
August 14th, 2008 at 1:44 pmA Patriot Acting Says:
Someone give Brain From Planet Arous a cupie doll!
Thanks Patriot, although some people would like to use a Voodoo Doll on us. When I heard Ron Kuby and Ed Shultz repeating the White House propaganda that Russia started this conflict, I knew we were being hoodwinked. Then, the Savior, Obama, repeated the same BS that Bush and McCain was saying. The military-industrial complex is playing the Left like a fiddle, and this is the New Approach. The snarling, bellicose method of the Right Neocons isn’t working, so we are being set up for the Friendly Fascist. So, when you say Neocons fingerprints are all over this conflict, we should remember that Neocons are on the Left and The Right. The goal of the game is an insane confrontation of Russia. Now, if my memory serves me right, didn’t Russia kick out all of the Israeli lobbyists, and will not allow AIPAC anywhere near Moscow? Also, this “humanitarian” aid is a US military occupation of Georgia.
http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2008/08/us-following-brzezinskis-playbook-for.html
August 14th, 2008 at 10:01 pmMcCain is a dangerous senile old fool, who could take him seriously. Lock him up.
August 15th, 2008 at 4:23 amDubya and Springtime in USA……….
August 15th, 2008 at 6:24 amHang it up Johnny.
When Pravda knows more about the reality in the 21st Century than you do, we are in a heap of trouble with you at the helm!!
Open your eyes America!
Mr. Bush, Enough!!
August 16th, 2008 at 8:07 pmWhat a hypocrite! What about Iraq? ))) Anyway he should read this first: http://evrazia.org/article.php?id=584, http://evrazia.org/article.php?id=580 and then try to repeat his words openly… Bet it he will fail…
August 23rd, 2008 at 2:13 am